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shingi_70

41. Posted:

So they would add video games to amazon prime.

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42. Posted:

shingi_70 wrote:

So they would add video games to amazon prime.

Essentially yeah. Just an idea I could see maybe going well.

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RancidVomit86 wrote:

Remeber this? http://www.nintendolife.com/forums/other_gaming/amazons_new_c...

What do you know the leaked picture of the controller turned out to be the real deal.

Hey cool. That's my thread. Totally forgot about it. LOL at the stupid comment of that Snoopy creature.

About this competition, well Apple TV already advertises its product as "Stream video, GAMES, and more from iOS devices using AirPlay;" so it is no more of a threat than Apple TV, and that has not been that of a big deal really. It does not expand over the competition that currently already exists from these tablet games. The extension with the optional remote is not of a big consequence in and of itself.

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rjejr

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RancidVomit86 wrote:

what if Amazon made this a subscription based service and for one monthly rate you could play all of Amazon's in house developed games?

"Prime" for games? Sounds like an idea. I dont think they have enough "in house" stuff to make a go of it though, would have to be all or nothing. Well a lot or nothing, like Prime TV. I can see this happening, but not until they rebrand it as "FireTV Gaming" (I'm still working on a name) that includes the controller. Right now they are going after soccer moms w/ the "speak to it" remote. And they only have 100 games available so far, they need a lot more than that for a monthly service. I'm expecting a "Gaming bundle" in time for the holidays when parents buy those things for their kids.

Other downside, how much will people pay for a monthly fee for 99c games? I pay $50 for PS+ but I get Batman, Tomb Raider, DmC, Metro, Borderlands 2, et al. I'm not paying a monthly fee for Candy Crush or Angry Birds. You already get a few games when you buy the controller which will be included in a package deal I suspect. My enthusiasm is waning. Maybe 1 free game a month like PS+ if you have Prime? Prime will be a factor at some point, I'm pretty sure of that.

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45. Posted:

shingi_70 wrote:

So they would add video games to amazon prime.

Oh sure, ninja my 2 long paragraphs w/ 9 words. :-)

@dumedum - (don't know if typing that works in the forums) - as a long time follower of all things tech, I've never really seen Apple advertise Apple TV as a gaming machine. They themselves have admitted it's a hobby, and would much rather people buy expensive "i" things than an AppleTV. So from a marketing standpoint this is, or at least will probably become, much more a player in the gaming space than Apple TV. Does Apple TV even have a gaming controller? Or a gaming division? Amazon seems serious about games from what little I've seen. More like Microsoft in 2001 (Xbox) than Apple ever has been.

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46. Posted:

its gonna suck

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True about getting games for free or even 99 cents. I almost feel obligated to putting time into Super Mario 3d World or Donkey Kong to get an ROI. The only game that I am engaged in on my Tab is Defender. I have several others that I've played a little bit- had some fun but never felt compelled to get back on.

I'm lucky in that in my house, i can leave Wii U upstairs and still get good signal downstairs, so I use my gamepad as a couch companion and even for Netflix.

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I have a Galaxy Tab that I bought nearly two years ago.

I bought my Tab 2 7" about 2 years ago also. I played Puzzle and Dragons about a month, and a few other games about a month as well. When they're free you dont have to play them much to get your money's worth, as long as it enjoyable. Currently playing "Need a Hero". None of them are real games, all time wasters. I'm always on my tablet though for email and internet. If my Wii U Gamepad worked over my entire homes Wi-Fi, my Wii U is in the basement and the Gamepad won't work thru the floor, I might have traded my Tab 2 in. But it doesn't.

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rjejr

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Just got a fireTV email from Amazon. Gaming is about 2/3 down the email so they certainly aren't going after the gamer at this point. Big Game of Thrones screen near the top, funny for a system w/o HBO Go, but I suppose you can buy old seasons from somewhere on there. Guess I'll give it a rest then. For now.

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Farmboy74

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At the minute the Fire TV has beaten Ouya and Apple TV. But I can't see Apple not letting Amazon getting to much of a head start and think Apple will now revamp their TV box and make it compatible with games and the MFI controllers.
TBH though these boxes are just smartphone consoles there is no SD card storage on the Fire and can an external USB drive work with it?. These devices are aimed at the casual gamer I think and you can find better gaming experiences on any of Nintendo's, Sony's or MS platforms.

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50. Posted:

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These devices are aimed at the casual gamer

Right now it seems like these devices are aimed at soccer moms who like to talk into remotes to watch tv, not really gaming at all. I don't think they can really go after casual gamers until they get Candy Crush Saga or Words with Friends or whatever people are playing these days. I don't think they even have Angry Birds on it yet. You can't call yourself a gaming system w/o Angry Birds or Candy Crush.

That, and you can't even get the game controller shipped for another 3 weeks, April 24, so no reason for them to market it for gaming yet.. MAybe in another 6 months, when the new Kindle Fires come out that work w/ the same controllers for gaming. Could happen.

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Farmboy74

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@rjejr,
Sounds like a tentative step towards a multimedia console. Interesting you cannot get the controller for three weeks. Like you say if they make the new Kindle Fires compatible with Kindle TV with some sort of Wii U gamepad functionality then it could happen and take off with the casuals on board playing Candy Crush on the big screen!!
But knowing how Amazon operates Fire TV won't make it across the pond till the end of this year at the earliest as Amazon Uk has only just got round releasing kindle Fire and Paper white HD.
But IOS and Android gaming is no longer for me due to all the micro transactions that litter the damn games.

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rjejr

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But IOS and Android gaming is no longer for me due to all the micro transactions that litter the damn games.

I know what you mean, but I think Amazon is counting on there being more of them and less of us.

The reason I see fireTV as a threat to Wii U (I probably should have used "threat" in the title, not competition) but not as a threat to X1 or PS4, or X360 or PS3, is b/c the Wii sold 100mil consoles, but probably only 20mil to Nintendo gamers, the same gamers who also bought 20mil Gamecubes and 20mil N64s, and the other 80mil Wii were bought by people who only wanted to play the latest fad Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Just Dance and Zumba. MK8 and SSB and eventually Zelda will probably see to it that Wii U sells 20mil, but it's the other 80mil who are moving on the next fad, Candy Crush on the TV, that will buy fireTV instead of Wii U. And while diehard Nintedo fans don't care about lal the other 3rd party games in the world, there are people who want to play Madden NFL football game sand MLB sames and FIFA games. And these games won't come to Wi U w/ a 20mil install base - just ask EA - so fireTV could be a threat to getting good 3rd party games on Wii U.

If fireTV can start getting games like Skylanders and Disney Infinity - Skylandes already has an iOS "app" game taking up space on retail shelves:

http://www.amazon.com/Skylanders-Battlegrounds-Mobile-Starter...

why would parents buy their kids a Wii U for Christmas?

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Farmboy74

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@rjejr

I know where you are coming from and if you had put threat in the title instead of competition then I imagine this would of gone down the road of the Wii U is doomed kind of thread.
But what you said is the rub, at most it's looking like there are only around 20 million Nintendo fans out there that will consistently buy Nintendo hardware it's a question that only Nintendo can answer or rectify in their next generation of hardware. Whether we like it or not the Wii discovered a new gaming demographic albeit a fickle one at that. If Fire TV can get big gaming franchises on it then it will be a very credible threat.
Iwata's comments about a unified operating system (across a home console and handheld) gives me hope for the future and hopefully will form the next generation of Nintendo hardware. I think the reason that FIFA , Madden & Mass Effect didn't sell is that there were superior versions available else where at the time to anyone who had a 360/ PS3 as a companion console to the Wii.
But would parents buying a Fire TV also hurt Playstation and Xbox?? as I see plenty of stories on the internet of parents buying their kids PS4 & Xbox 1's

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54. Posted:

and they say the wii u pro controller a x360 ripof

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rjejr

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Farmboy74 wrote:

But would parents buying a Fire TV also hurt Playstation and Xbox?? as I see plenty of stories on the internet of parents buying their kids PS4 & Xbox 1's

I think parents would buy their kids PS4/X1 for Madden and MLB The Show and Metal Gear Solid and Destiny and Batman and Assassins Creed, all the big games the Wii U isn't getting.

I started this thread b/c I kept comparing the Wii U to Ouya in terms of game selection (March was a really bad month for Wii U both retail and eShop). In truth this was unfair to Wii U as Ouyas got nuthin (as Rocky might say) and Wii U has Nintendo, but its been a slow Wii U year. But if the Wii U continues to not get all the big multiplats, and fireTV gets similar indie and casual games, I view the Wii U more in jeopardy. I don't think fireTV is getting Last of Us or GTA or Forza. So yeah, I suppose if I'm Sony or Microsoft I worry a little bit about fireTV - and the newly rumoured Android TV - but those other consoles have a whole lot more going for them than Wii U. VitaTV may never see the west though.

Android TV - for which I will not be starting another thread:
http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/5/5584604/this-is-android-tv

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Action51

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Amazon Fire TV - new Wii U competition?

  • Not really...not now.

I think this thing will be competition for the millions of Wii's people are using as Netflix players. People who bought a Wii and only used it for a Netflix player aren't upgrading to a Wii U. This is competition for Apple TV and Roku...not for a $300, $400, or $500 console.

People who bought a PS4, Wii U or XB1 already have the Netflix and Hulu players on their expensive console. The sort of games coming to the Fire might be good, but I don't think they're going to entice people away from the big consoles.

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rjejr wrote:

But if the Wii U continues to not get all the big multiplats, and fireTV gets similar indie and casual games, I view the Wii U more in jeopardy.

I agree with that somehow Nintendo has to get some of the big multiplats, if it comes down to just Nintendo exclusives and similar indie and casual games with the lower price point the Fire TV will be very tempting to the casual audience and parents looking to get gaming on the cheap ( or so they think).
As for Vita TV it's looking like Sony have missed the boat here and western company's are going to beat them to the punch.

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Action51 wrote:

People who bought a PS4, Wii U or XB1 already have the Netflix and Hulu players on their expensive console. The sort of games coming to the Fire might be good, but I don't think they're going to entice people away from the big consoles.

I never meant to imply that the 6 million people who already bought a Wii U would trade it in for a fireTV, but that the 94 million other people who bought a Wii and still haven't bought a Wii U might buy a fireTV instead of a Wii U. (based on last I checked 100mil Wii sales worldwide and only 6mil Wii U)

I know you kind of implied this in your first paragraph, I just felt like adding the numbers to highlight the point of how this could hurt Wii U sales going forward.

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rjejr wrote:

Action51 wrote:

People who bought a PS4, Wii U or XB1 already have the Netflix and Hulu players on their expensive console. The sort of games coming to the Fire might be good, but I don't think they're going to entice people away from the big consoles.

I never meant to imply that the 6 million people who already bought a Wii U would trade it in for a fireTV, but that the 94 million other people who bought a Wii and still haven't bought a Wii U might buy a fireTV instead of a Wii U. (based on last I checked 100mil Wii sales worldwide and only 6mil Wii U)

I know you kind of implied this in your first paragraph, I just felt like adding the numbers to highlight the point of how this could hurt Wii U sales going forward.

I don't believe that those 94 million are even on the radar anymore, if it's not FireTV, they still have their Ipad's and tablets at home. It's a market thats now gone. Nintendo now has to rely on their hardcore faithful as well as luring in children and teenagers via Mario, Pokemon, Zelda, etc, kids who are genuinely interested in video games (and not just something simple like Angry Birds), that latter group has always kept them a float, and most of us started in that demographic.

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tl;dr, but from what I saw, it seemed closer to a cheaper Xbox One in terms of what it is trying to compete with. Especially with the ad I saw.

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