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41. Posted:

@Ralizah
I like Sony, just not the PS branch of their company. I prefer Sony TVs and audio recievers, actually.
My PS3 is just a bluray player and media center now, but that's just me.
You'd be better off saving for a PS4 if anything, but then you won't get PS3 BC off of disc, or PS2 which PS3 has already disposed of.
Been there, done that, so I'm going Wii U which is already stepping into next gen.

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SCAR392 wrote:

@Ralizah
I like Sony, just not the PS branch of their company. I prefer Sony TVs and audio recievers, actually.
My PS3 is just a bluray player and media center now, but that's just me.
You'd be better off saving for a PS4 if anything, but then you won't get PS3 BC off of disc, or PS2 which PS3 has already disposed of.
Been there, done that, so I'm going Wii U which is already stepping into next gen.

I meant Sony's role in the video game industry. So, yeah, Playstation, basically...

Yeah, well, it depends on the price and launch titles available for PS4. As it stands, the PS3 will be supported for at least a few more years, and there are already a ton of games I want on it.

More than likely, Wii U will be my first actual next-gen purchase. Once it has some decent games on it, anyhow... hopefully be the end of the year.

I don't know why Nintendo seems to be the only company that really -gets- backwards compatibility.

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43. Posted:

I'm looking forward to this, but not sure I'll be buying it yet. I never planned to buy a 360, but the amount of games they had at E3 2006 swayed me. Pretty much every game I planning to buy on PS3 such as Assassins Creed, Virtua Fighter 5 and GTA IV went multi platform, and at the same time they had exclusive stuff like Mass Effect, Gears of War, Viva Pinata, Halo 4, Forza 2, Fable 2, Dead Rising etc. The biggest advantage of all was/is Xbox Live. People love to moan that you have to pay for it, but I would GLADLY pay that price for a similar service on a Nintendo console. It's worth the money and then some.

The 360 is still getting great games even now, but everything is multi platform these days, but maybe they'll surprise us with some new first party IPs.

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Nintendo has BC right out of the box, because they know it's important to carry their backlog to a certain extent. I was playing GCN games on my Wii for the first time in 480p(which was awesome at the time, because GCN component cables were always hard to come by) when there were no Wii games I wanted at the moment. I even found tons of GCN games for literally $1 a piece. BC is a good thing for Wii U, but not so much Wii anymore if you even had a GCN BC one. GCN games are disappearing fast from GameStop. I would say one a game format isn't sold at GameStop, BestBuy, or any retail store, it's already retro. That's usually a good sign to move on, IMO.
Wii U will technically have more games than even PS4, because it has BC with Wii, plus Wii U games. You can find some of the best Wii games for $10 or less at Gamestop unless you're buying new.
Look at Windows 8, that is basically the same idea emulating Windows 7 as Wii U is doing emulating the Wii Menu. It is using soley Wii U components to run the other OS, which PS3 never did, because they probably don't know how to. They put too much effort in trying to run Linux instead of PS2 games, so now we have neither in the slim consoles.
There is no guarantee that PS4 will have BC through Gaikai by using server emulators, either.
All in all, after observing the video game strategies between the 3, I'm going Nintendo and Microsoft unless PS4 is free. I think Xbox will have more value to me since I already have a Wii U, because I like Nintendo and Microsoft games, but not so much PS3.
I go for the gameplay, hardly ever the story or graphics, and Xbox has more friendly games that still have the same gameplay for the most part. I can play Wii Sports Resort without having to buy a controller and camera to play it like PS3, that makes it more accessible for anyone.
Xbox had a way more advanced camera than PS.

Rambling over.

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Sony couldn't find extended market success this time around.

After releasing a year behind the 360 the Playstation3 did out sell the 360, so yes they did find extended market success else this would of never of happened.

PS3 just copied and pasted everything Nintendo and Microsoft do for their console.

Really like what? Move, motion control was out by Sony long before the Wii, so that really makes you think where Nintendo got the idea from originally. Also didn't Nintendo get sued lately? for copying an idea, the answer to that is yes. There is nothing at all Microsoft could do worth copying.

Sony knows what mistakes they've made with the PS3, the Playstation4 is prove of that and when it started development. As for exclusives, Sony also has excellent exclusives and you'll see new ones popping-up on the Playstation4. Also the Playstation4 is a gaming console first and for most especially for hardcore gamers, which looks highly likely will be the only hardcore gaming console out next gen.

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banacheck wrote:

Sony couldn't find extended market success this time around.

After releasing a year behind the 360 the Playstation3 did out sell the 360, so yes they did find extended market success else this would of never of happened.

PS3 just copied and pasted everything Nintendo and Microsoft do for their console.

Really like what? Move, motion control was out by Sony long before the Wii, so that really makes you think where Nintendo got the idea from originally. Also didn't Nintendo get sued lately? for copying an idea, the answer to that is yes. There is nothing at all Microsoft could do worth copying.

Sony knows what mistakes they've made with the PS3, the Playstation4 is prove of that and when it started development. As for exclusives, Sony also has excellent exclusives and you'll see new ones popping-up on the Playstation4. Also the Playstation4 is a gaming console first and for most especially for hardcore gamers, which looks highly likely will be the only hardcore gaming console out next gen.

Nintendo and Sony were working on motion controllers for last gen AT THE EXACT SAME TIME. The difference is, is that Nintendo is the only one who released it though.
Apparently, Microsoft does have stuff worth copying, because PS4 is getting a camera to rival Kinect 2.0.
Besides, all the games we played last gen were Xbox 360 games unless they were Sony exclusives.

Nintendo accidentally didn't realize they were using a CPU 3D screen combo, which nothing else has. The ex-Sony patent they infringed was because the ex-Sony guy had a patent of a device that did what a console and 3DTV would usually do seperate. So they only copied the arrangement of components, not the components themselves, otherwise every company with 3D TVs on the market would get sued, too.
The ex-Sony guy got payed, but not Sony.

EDIT: PS3, Xbox 360, and 3DS are the only devices tht play games in 3D. Now tell me, which one has the 3D sceen built in?

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Totally forgot Alan Wake was an Microsoft exclusive. If the console has Alan Wake 2 I may just have to get it. @SCAR392 Are you aware that Sony did the Kinect? The PS2 had an eyetoy that worked like a kinect.

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48. Posted:

Ralizah wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

@Ralizah
I like Sony, just not the PS branch of their company. I prefer Sony TVs and audio recievers, actually.
My PS3 is just a bluray player and media center now, but that's just me.
You'd be better off saving for a PS4 if anything, but then you won't get PS3 BC off of disc, or PS2 which PS3 has already disposed of.
Been there, done that, so I'm going Wii U which is already stepping into next gen.

I meant Sony's role in the video game industry. So, yeah, Playstation, basically...

Yeah, well, it depends on the price and launch titles available for PS4. As it stands, the PS3 will be supported for at least a few more years, and there are already a ton of games I want on it.

More than likely, Wii U will be my first actual next-gen purchase. Once it has some decent games on it, anyhow... hopefully be the end of the year.

I don't know why Nintendo seems to be the only company that really -gets- backwards compatibility.

Because they didn't go all out for power and that allowed them to throw in Wii Parts. The PS4/Durango are oveing a completely new architecture for X86 to make it easier for developers but comes at the price of non conlavouted BC.

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49. Posted:

banacheck wrote:

Sony couldn't find extended market success this time around.

After releasing a year behind the 360 the Playstation3 did out sell the 360, so yes they did find extended market success else this would of never of happened.

PS3 just copied and pasted everything Nintendo and Microsoft do for their console.

Really like what? Move, motion control was out by Sony long before the Wii, so that really makes you think where Nintendo got the idea from originally. Also didn't Nintendo get sued lately? for copying an idea, the answer to that is yes. There is nothing at all Microsoft could do worth copying.

Sony knows what mistakes they've made with the PS3, the Playstation4 is prove of that and when it started development. As for exclusives, Sony also has excellent exclusives and you'll see new ones popping-up on the Playstation4. Also the Playstation4 is a gaming console first and for most especially for hardcore gamers, which looks highly likely will be the only hardcore gaming console out next gen.

Sony also had

-Lower first party software sales than either Nintendo or SOny
-slower sales in general against everyone else despite being popular in all three resgions. (still not wii u bad)
-Move didn't have the sale like wildfire impact that the wiimte or Kinect sensor had. Not a lot of devs supported it either.
-The biggest problem was they lost a ton of marketshare this generation to Nintendo/Microsoft

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50. Posted:

Sony_70 wrote:

Ralizah wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

@Ralizah
I like Sony, just not the PS branch of their company. I prefer Sony TVs and audio recievers, actually.
My PS3 is just a bluray player and media center now, but that's just me.
You'd be better off saving for a PS4 if anything, but then you won't get PS3 BC off of disc, or PS2 which PS3 has already disposed of.
Been there, done that, so I'm going Wii U which is already stepping into next gen.

I meant Sony's role in the video game industry. So, yeah, Playstation, basically...

Yeah, well, it depends on the price and launch titles available for PS4. As it stands, the PS3 will be supported for at least a few more years, and there are already a ton of games I want on it.

More than likely, Wii U will be my first actual next-gen purchase. Once it has some decent games on it, anyhow... hopefully be the end of the year.

I don't know why Nintendo seems to be the only company that really -gets- backwards compatibility.

Because they didn't go all out for power and that allowed them to throw in Wii Parts. The PS4/Durango are oveing a completely new architecture for X86 to make it easier for developers but comes at the price of non conlavouted BC.

Not my point.

If the rumors are true, even the new XBOX will have a $100 or so add-on that'll allow it to play 360 games.

I can't help but wonder how much the complete lack of backwards compatibility is going to hurt the PS4. I mean, you won't even be able to play your digital PS3 games from PSN on it.

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51. Posted:

banacheck wrote:

After releasing a year behind the 360 the Playstation3 did out sell the 360, so yes they did find extended market success else this would of never of happened.

In what region? Japan? Germany? Yes. NA? UK? No.

banacheck wrote:

PS3 just copied and pasted everything Nintendo and Microsoft do for their console.
Really like what? Move, motion control was out by Sony long before the Wii, so that really makes you think where Nintendo got the idea from originally. Also didn't Nintendo get sued lately? for copying an idea, the answer to that is yes. There is nothing at all Microsoft could do worth copying.

Nothing worth copying? Looks at PS trophy system Yeah, your totally right...

banacheck wrote:

Sony knows what mistakes they've made with the PS3, the Playstation4 is prove of that and when it started development. As for exclusives, Sony also has excellent exclusives and you'll see new ones popping-up on the Playstation4. Also the Playstation4 is a gaming console first and for most especially for hardcore gamers, which looks highly likely will be the only hardcore gaming console out next gen.

Do you work for Sony and have a lot of information the rest of the gaming world does not?

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52. Posted:

Ralizah wrote:

Sony_70 wrote:

Ralizah wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

@Ralizah
I like Sony, just not the PS branch of their company. I prefer Sony TVs and audio recievers, actually.
My PS3 is just a bluray player and media center now, but that's just me.
You'd be better off saving for a PS4 if anything, but then you won't get PS3 BC off of disc, or PS2 which PS3 has already disposed of.
Been there, done that, so I'm going Wii U which is already stepping into next gen.

I meant Sony's role in the video game industry. So, yeah, Playstation, basically...

Yeah, well, it depends on the price and launch titles available for PS4. As it stands, the PS3 will be supported for at least a few more years, and there are already a ton of games I want on it.

More than likely, Wii U will be my first actual next-gen purchase. Once it has some decent games on it, anyhow... hopefully be the end of the year.

I don't know why Nintendo seems to be the only company that really -gets- backwards compatibility.

Because they didn't go all out for power and that allowed them to throw in Wii Parts. The PS4/Durango are oveing a completely new architecture for X86 to make it easier for developers but comes at the price of non conlavouted BC.

Not my point.

If the rumors are true, even the new XBOX will have a $100 or so add-on that'll allow it to play 360 games.

I can't help but wonder how much the complete lack of backwards compatibility is going to hurt the PS4. I mean, you won't even be able to play your digital PS3 games from PSN on it.

Sony is betting on the Gaikai to do the handy work despite at the PlayStation meeting them saying this is no where near ready for prime time and they're going to have to cut a lot of deals to get support. SO expect spotty BC from Sony maybe a year or two from now.

As for Microsoft I think the $100 add-on is a good deal. I'm getting Durango anyway and i'll trade in my current 360 for the add-on replacement.

Also there are rumors that the Durango will include the 360 soc and if that proves to ebtrue they're going to have BC like the Wii U does.

Not sure how much this will harm sony in consoles sales. but I don't think they could do BC at a reasonable price point. I do however think this will massively hurt PSN and have users flock to Wii U/Durango in fear their purchases with sony are worthless.

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53. Posted:

Ralizah wrote:

Sony_70 wrote:

Ralizah wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

@Ralizah
I like Sony, just not the PS branch of their company. I prefer Sony TVs and audio recievers, actually.
My PS3 is just a bluray player and media center now, but that's just me.
You'd be better off saving for a PS4 if anything, but then you won't get PS3 BC off of disc, or PS2 which PS3 has already disposed of.
Been there, done that, so I'm going Wii U which is already stepping into next gen.

I meant Sony's role in the video game industry. So, yeah, Playstation, basically...

Yeah, well, it depends on the price and launch titles available for PS4. As it stands, the PS3 will be supported for at least a few more years, and there are already a ton of games I want on it.

More than likely, Wii U will be my first actual next-gen purchase. Once it has some decent games on it, anyhow... hopefully be the end of the year.

I don't know why Nintendo seems to be the only company that really -gets- backwards compatibility.

Because they didn't go all out for power and that allowed them to throw in Wii Parts. The PS4/Durango are oveing a completely new architecture for X86 to make it easier for developers but comes at the price of non conlavouted BC.

Not my point.

If the rumors are true, even the new XBOX will have a $100 or so add-on that'll allow it to play 360 games.

I can't help but wonder how much the complete lack of backwards compatibility is going to hurt the PS4. I mean, you won't even be able to play your digital PS3 games from PSN on it.

Xbox 360 will probably only need the attachment if you are playing Xbox 360 games off of a disc. If you have the downloaded version, it is most likely be playable without the attachment.
@SkwardLink98
Yes, I understand what the eye toy is, but that would mean Sony did everything when it comes to motion control that people are claiming which isn't true. Sony is literally stuck in the middle of both Nintendo and Microsoft, which makes them catch up with one or the other company.
If Sony wasn't trying to compete with Xbox 360 last time, we probably would have had Move WAY sooner. Sony and Nintendo were working on motion controllers at the same time, but Nintendo released it first so they got a head start in the market.
Why didn't PS just improve their camera that they was an already know peripheral? They could have easily just improved the PS Eye and competed with Kinect instead of Wii remotes.
Now they have a camera. Sony may have has the camera idea out first, but they did not improve on the idea like Microsoft did with Kinect.
Nintendo will probably figure out how to determine the position of a Wii remote WITHOUT A CAMERA, then Move will be screwed.
Kinect 2.0 is already said to read movements faster and more accurately, while Sony's camera(still an improvement over PS Eye), will be stuck using last gen motion reading technology to squeeze in a dual control scheme that Xbox and Wii U do seperate.
PS3 will be Kinect + Wii remote. That can't be easy to do, balancing 2 control schemes that are more focused on from other companies.

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54. Posted:

Some info from Paul Thurrot who is a pretty reliable Microsoft Journalist.

Here’s what I know about the next Xbox (along with some clearly-identified conjecture).

Early announce. The initial reveal date was pushed back from April 24 to May 21 so that Microsoft could better position the device against the PlayStation 4, which Sony announced in late February.

Full (end user) announce. Microsoft will fully reveal details about the next Xbox, including the launch lineup of games, on the eve of the E3 tradeshow in early June 2013.

Developer announce? It appears that Microsoft will discuss the next Xbox developer platform at the Build conference in San Francisco in late June, based on clues on the Build web site.

Launch. The next Xbox will launch in early November 2013.

Windows 8 Core. The next Xbox is based on the "Core" (base) version of Windows 8. This suggests a common apps platform or at least one that is similar to that used by Windows 8, and further than Microsoft could open up this platform to enthusiast developers. (That last bit is supposition on my part.)

Price. Microsoft will initially offer two pricing models for the console, offering a standalone version for $499 and then a $299 version that requires a two-year Xbox LIVE Gold commitment at an expected price of $10 per month.

No entertainment box. Microsoft originally planned to offer both a “full” version of the next Xbox (with video game playing capabilities) and a lower-end entertainment-oriented version, codenamed “Yuma,” that did not provide video gaming capabilities. But plans for Yuma are on hold and no pure entertainment version of the next Xbox will appear in 2013 (or possibly ever).

Blu-ray. The next Xbox will include a Blu-ray optical drive.

Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be internet-connected to use. This is source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn’t as Draconian as many seem to believe.

Another Xbox 360. Microsoft will also deliver a third generation Xbox 360 console this year that will be significantly less expensive than the current models. The new 360 is codenamed “Stingray,” but it’s not clear if this device is required because the next Xbox isn’t backwards compatible, or because Microsoft simply wants a low-cost entertainment box alternative. (A third possibility, and to be clear these possible reasons are all speculative: The 360 simply has life left in it and with dwindling component prices in the 8 years since the original launch, the firm can still make money selling such a device.)

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55. Posted:

That's my birthday. No joke.

micro this had better be a good announcement >:c

Still, I'm mildly interested. It won't be the best gift ever though since I'm already getting a Cintiq and WIR merchandise instead <3 But I hope it goes well, because I'd like to get at least one of the other Gen 8 consoles and the PS4 isn't interesting to me right now. But if it is always-online I will just not buy it and wait for the PS4 to price drop, maybe get it and a Vita for my birthday next year or something.

Sony also had

-Lower first party software sales than either Nintendo or SOny

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56. Posted:

The all copying the Sega VR and Sega Activator.

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57. Posted:

Requiring an internet connection to play games is going to be a disaster for Microsoft if they actually go through with it. There are large patches of the U.S. where it is difficult to get a consistent internet connection.

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Ralizah wrote:

Sony_70 wrote:

Ralizah wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

@Ralizah
I like Sony, just not the PS branch of their company. I prefer Sony TVs and audio recievers, actually.
My PS3 is just a bluray player and media center now, but that's just me.
You'd be better off saving for a PS4 if anything, but then you won't get PS3 BC off of disc, or PS2 which PS3 has already disposed of.
Been there, done that, so I'm going Wii U which is already stepping into next gen.

I meant Sony's role in the video game industry. So, yeah, Playstation, basically...

Yeah, well, it depends on the price and launch titles available for PS4. As it stands, the PS3 will be supported for at least a few more years, and there are already a ton of games I want on it.

More than likely, Wii U will be my first actual next-gen purchase. Once it has some decent games on it, anyhow... hopefully be the end of the year.

I don't know why Nintendo seems to be the only company that really -gets- backwards compatibility.

Because they didn't go all out for power and that allowed them to throw in Wii Parts. The PS4/Durango are oveing a completely new architecture for X86 to make it easier for developers but comes at the price of non conlavouted BC.

Not my point.

If the rumors are true, even the new XBOX will have a $100 or so add-on that'll allow it to play 360 games.

I can't help but wonder how much the complete lack of backwards compatibility is going to hurt the PS4. I mean, you won't even be able to play your digital PS3 games from PSN on it.

Sony is betting on the Gaikai to do the handy work despite at the PlayStation meeting them saying this is no where near ready for prime time and they're going to have to cut a lot of deals to get support. SO expect spotty BC from Sony maybe a year or two from now.

As for Microsoft I think the $100 add-on is a good deal. I'm getting Durango anyway and i'll trade in my current 360 for the add-on replacement.

Also there are rumors that the Durango will include the 360 soc and if that proves to ebtrue they're going to have BC like the Wii U does.

Not sure how much this will harm sony in consoles sales. but I don't think they could do BC at a reasonable price point. I do however think this will massively hurt PSN and have users flock to Wii U/Durango in fear their purchases with sony are worthless.

Yeah. Unfortunately, Gaikai, as you say, will take a while before it really delivers, and it will require a constant streaming connection.

I would totally get the PS4 if I could get an add-on to play PS3 games for $100 - $150 bucks.

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58. Posted:

$500? Always online? I really hope these speculations are false. Who would want this?

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59. Posted:

IAmNotWill wrote:

$500? Always online? I really hope these speculations are false. Who would want this?

nobody.
but it could very well be true, i don't see microsoft breaking their recent failure-pattern

micorosft 8, windows phone 8, surface rt/pro, anti-google campaign, bing (:D), etc...

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I hope it has HD DVD player attachment like the 360.

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