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Ralizah wrote:

I think the Wii U will be the most attractive next-gen machine once Nintendo gets the ball rolling on the first-party software, which will boost sales, which will attract more third-party developers. Really, they should have launched it with a proper 3D Mario game.

As much as everyone that has a Wii U wants games, I think it's a better lesson to learn that some things aren't as immediate as alot think, and waiting pays off in some cases. The long term will better than the short term. Nintendo actually has reasons to be slow with their progress. Any one that knows the situation understands.
Wii U is nothing like last gen consoles if you take power being the main appeal out of the equation, and will have a more broad market with the control schemes and accessibility it has. Nintendo has the console that will most likely get apps and smaller software on a larger scale. Just imagine smartphone or tablet apps with console graphics and more options than those devices limit them to.
Wii remote is still a very relevant controller that can be used for anything really.
Wii U is already a noticeable improvement to other consoles. You won't get an outcome from potential if you don't support it.
PS4 doesn't really appeal to me. Not only are the social features totally possible on Wii U, but that's also not the reason Nintendo gave to sell their console.
All Wii U has to do to avoid competition in the RAM standpoint is combine software or applications into one or two pieces of software instead of being spread across say, 5.
The CPU cores also use power to keep track of those multiple applications which can easily take up 1-2 cores right off the bat.
The way they harness the machines and the structures which are relative to each other will ultimately show what a console can do.
All I got to say is, if Nintendo goes through with that robot patent, I'm gonna have a robot. That's all there is to it.

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SCAR392 wrote:

Ralizah wrote:

I think the Wii U will be the most attractive next-gen machine once Nintendo gets the ball rolling on the first-party software, which will boost sales, which will attract more third-party developers. Really, they should have launched it with a proper 3D Mario game.

As much as everyone that has a Wii U wants games, I think it's a better lesson to learn that some things aren't as immediate as alot think, and waiting pays off in some cases. The long term will better than the short term. Nintendo actually has reasons to be slow with their progress. Any one that knows the situation understands.
Wii U is nothing like last gen consoles if you take power being the main appeal out of the equation, and will have a more broad market with the control schemes and accessibility it has. Nintendo has the console that will most likely get apps and smaller software on a larger scale. Just imagine smartphone or tablet apps with console graphics and more options than those devices limit them to.
Wii remote is still a very relevant controller that can be used for anything really.
Wii U is already a noticeable improvement to other consoles. You won't get an outcome from potential if you don't support it.
PS4 doesn't really appeal to me. Not only are the social features totally possible on Wii U, but that's also not the reason Nintendo gave to sell their console.
All Wii U has to do to avoid competition in the RAM standpoint is combine software or applications into one or two pieces of software instead of being spread across say, 5.
The CPU cores also use power to keep track of those multiple applications which can easily take up 1-2 cores right off the bat.
The way they harness the machines and the structures which are relative to each other will ultimately show what a console can do.
All I got to say is, if Nintendo goes through with that robot patent, I'm gonna have a robot. That's all there is to it.

Have you played most tablet/smartphone apps? They don't need more advanced graphics. Most of them barely qualify as games as is. I think that's actually the fear of some people, given Nintendo's casual turn last last gen. Also, from what I understand, the Wii U will most likely be, again, significantly underpowered compared to other consoles this gen. Which isn't a problem for me, or most people, really. If graphics were so important, the Vita would be sweeping the charts instead of the 3DS. Nintendo's appeal comes from strong first-party support and innovative control options. Nintendo will succeed if it can find a way to tap the dormant potential of the touchscreen controller.

I don't buy consoles to play Android apps. If I did, I would be getting the OUYA instead.

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Yes, but people develop for mobile devices because it is easier, and people have mostly come to accept that type of software being on their devices. Comparing OUYA to Wii U is somewhat true in the indie and accessibility area, but we all know OUYA is gonna be full of junk just like Apple's app store in due time.
Nintendo will make sure quality is the only option which is how it should be.
Those apps and such can be improved on a Wii U console beyond recognition of how they appeared on mobile devices. Even Toki Tori 2 wasnlt on par with Nintendo's expectations to begin with, and I'm will ing to bet the unacceptable version of Toki Tori 2 was still arguably better than ANY mobile game on whatever OS. That Nintendo Web Frameworking was specificly detailed especially for smaller indie devs, which also happens to be the next step in software development in the industry altogether.
There is alot of promise to be had from all consoles to their respective markets. I'm just saying how it is from my perspective.

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Well a new report came in yesterday at IGN and it said that the "Always Online" rumors are true.
What a stupid decision by Microsoft. Sucks to be people that don't have internet, or not reliable internet but still want the system.

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Well a new report came in yesterday at IGN and it said that the "Always Online" rumors are true.
What a stupid decision by Microsoft. Sucks to be people that don't have internet, or not reliable internet but still want the system.

I would assume 4G is built in then. My guess is that Microsoft already has the business connections to have 4G run soley just for verification which doesn't require that much data over a cellular or non cellular network, so they don't have to charge for it.
Even if people don't buy an Xbox Live subscription, it would still need to be connected online.

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Peach64 wrote:

Is a required internet connection really such a bad thing? I'm sorry, but I don't think I have ever played my 360 without it being online, and I do not live in a big city. Look how popular Steam is... how can you say that always online just isn't feasible when a service like that has been going strong for a decade.

Wow. I can't believe how close-minded this is. -_- Think man, people don't pay their bills, they can go on vacation to a place without a connection, you can switch providers and it may be down for a bit. Consoles should not be on a leash. Things can go wrong.

And do you even know what Steam is? Many of the games can be played offline.

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HawkeyeWii wrote:

Well a new report came in yesterday at IGN and it said that the "Always Online" rumors are true.
What a stupid decision by Microsoft. Sucks to be people that don't have internet, or not reliable internet but still want the system.

I would assume 4G is built in then. My guess is that Microsoft already has the business connections to have 4G run soley just for verification which doesn't require that much data over a cellular or non cellular network, so they don't have to charge for it.
Even if people don't buy an Xbox Live subscription, it would still need to be connected online.

This isn't true, like, at all. 4G is for mobile devices. A console doesn't not need 4G because you don't carry it around.

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Ya, I know it's not true. It's called speculation. The only way they could get away with 'always connected' is if they had a cellular reciever to verify the console online.
I'm pretty sure Microsoft isn't stupid enough to have 'always connected' going, unless they know something about internet that we don't.
Kindle has free 3G. All Microsoft would have to do is verify consoles through satellites they assumingly already have. The console AT MINIMUM needs to be verified over the internet which would literally only take like 56kb to process every hour or so.
You would be able to play games online no matter what, too. 4G is fast enough to play online. It could just be included as part of an Xbox Live subscription.

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3DS is awesome by the way Scar^ Both models have their perks

Anyway the Xbox is probably going to only manage middling returns depending on its library and interface.
The thing about the Wii U is it has a lot of leverage in it, its been designed to be a more efficient compact machine that produces less heat and consumes less electricity. Given the fact that it has a cache and hybrid base rather than the other kind present in the other system alludes to it being more dexterous at preforming certain tasks. It has a different die processor anyway.
So its not as underpowered as some are lead to believe.

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SCAR392 wrote:

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Ya, I know it's not true. It's called speculation. The only way they could get away with 'always connected' is if they had a cellular reciever to verify the console online.
I'm pretty sure Microsoft isn't stupid enough to have 'always connected' going, unless they know something about internet that we don't.
Kindle has free 3G. All Microsoft would have to do is verify consoles through satellites they assumingly already have. The console AT MINIMUM needs to be verified over the internet which would literally only take like 56kb to process every hour or so.
You would be able to play games online no matter what, too. 4G is fast enough to play online. It could just be included as part of an Xbox Live subscription.

I don't really get what you are saying. 4G was never in Microsoft's plans. Data plans are too expensive to be included with something that stays in your house.

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Im pretty sure the always online thing is connected to your internet.

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What plans? I'm supposing it would be part of the Xbox Live fee that would get you online in the first place. $60 for a year of Xbox Live would include 4G service. You wouldn't be able to download large files, but online play and account verification isn't very demading on a server hich is mainly what you would use it for if you choose to do so. If you need to be online no matter what, 4G would guarantee you're never away from internet, and you could play online anywhere while still having access to smaller apps and software.
There are ways around being required to be online. They could even give the option to have cellular internet be so great on the next Xbox, that you could just use cellular from Xbox Live and use it as a hotspot for all your devices, resulting in cancellations from traditional internet service providers.
This sort of thing already exists from a variety of companies using cellular internet as an alternative option.
So I could buy an Xbox and just pay Microsoft $30 a month for Xbox Live which connects all my devices to the Xbox cellular hotspot. That beats the internet company, and gives me Xbox Live.
There's different ways they could do it, even by just having the 4G attachment so users with Wi-Fi don't have to buy a cellular receiver chip.
Just speculation, but only online won't be a bad thing if they have a way to get users online regardless.

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