Bluray may not cost Sony much-- they make it and they put it in their system to leverage their movie medium. Nintendo doesn't have a mass market movie medium or branded optical drive.
The PS3 having Blu-Ray first wasn't about them being able to "get it cheaper". It was about them trying to kill two birds with one stone. Sony doesn't make that much out of the physical components of the Blu-Ray disk. The whole group of companies who are behind it get a chunk from the sale of media, drives and so on but it's not a huge amount. Well it adds up overall and especially once they won the "format war" but it didn't make a difference to the cost of a console. If you remember the PS3 at launch was pretty damn expensive.
This stuff costs Nintendo and MS more and it costs a lot more than 1/5 of their investment. We're talking $100+ when combining the components (500GB HDD, codecs, laser, added cooling).
Except it isn't. You're from the US, look up the prices from your local computer retailer. At retail for a single unit price for those two components? It's under $100. Which includes the retail markup, packaging, separate shipping and so on. There's no way they're paying that much in bulk for those items. No way. A teardown from launch had it at around $70US for the HDD, ODD and the wireless/bluetooth module. Which is 1/5th of the price. It adds up.
As for cooling and codecs? We're talking maybe 5-10W from the wall for both combined in operation. Not all of that would turn into heat. Compared to the rest of the components like the CPU, GPU and so on? It's trivial. There wouldn't be extra costs for "cooling". And codecs? Really? Even if they actually used it in that sense, which the Wii U doesn't BTW, we're talking dollars. In the single digits. Which would be included in that price from above.
The whole reason the N64 was able to leapfrog the PSX in power was because the system was cart based. Sidestepping Sony's design is the only way to leapfrog them again in dramatic fashion.
This isn't the N64 era nor is it the early Wii era. These technologies have improved, are mature and at this point are cheap. Like it or not the move to disks was an inevitable thing which had it's advantages and disadvantages. As the technology progressed the technology changed. At this point it is such that optical media is about as fast as a HDD and is more than big enough particularly for single games. It's also cheap. HDDs are cheap enough now that buying one and using it to downloading whole library of games works out to be a cheaper way to distribute games in general. Solid state storage is amazingly fast and has always been the best option for portables. Like it or not that's just how it is in 2015. With time the tech just keeps moving in the way it moves.
I'm not suggesting this is the last console generation-- it's the closing of the window for Nintendo to get on the bus before Sony and MS claim all the seats. If 40-50 million users have moved on to PS4/X1 by fall 2017 then the momentum will be impossible to overcome for Nintendo. It will be so far into the generation that like with WiiU, it will be out in the cold.
Is the Wii U competing against the 360 and PS3? No it is not. If it had gained traction and was a more attractive option than the consoles it ultimately competed against? We wouldn't be having this conversation. Which is what the 360 did when it launched when the gaming world was all "PS2 and Gamecube"
Yeah, before the direct I was thinking late 2017. But with the 3DS titles they announced being largely spinoffs and games that are built on existing titles? They're definitely moving the bulk of 3DS development onto the next thing. It remains to be seen what's happening with the Wii U though given they basically refused to say anything other than what had already been confirmed.
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Yeah, before the direct I was thinking late 2017. But with the 3DS titles they announced being largely spinoffs and games that are built on existing titles? They're definitely moving the bulk of 3DS development onto the next thing. It remains to be seen what's happening with the Wii U though given they basically refused to say anything other than what had already been confirmed.
Got a feeling 2016/17 for Wii u will be like 2011/12 for Wii. I think NX is 3ds successor launching holiday 2016
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Speaking of how the 3DS is "old".
Quite a shame the days of the NES are behind us, when they used to actually push a console as far as it could go, and then well beyond it.
Man, what if they had said, "well, it can now play Donkey Kong (well 75% of it anyways, maybe in 27 years we'll add that last 25%), it's good enough. It's served its purpose, new console time."?
Yeah, before the direct I was thinking late 2017. But with the 3DS titles they announced being largely spinoffs and games that are built on existing titles? They're definitely moving the bulk of 3DS development onto the next thing. It remains to be seen what's happening with the Wii U though given they basically refused to say anything other than what had already been confirmed.
Got a feeling 2016/17 for Wii u will be like 2011/12 for Wii. I think NX is 3ds successor launching holiday 2016
Well that's only maybe 6 months or so earlier than I'm thinking for both. And in the same order that I'm thinking make sense. So sure, perhaps that is what it ends up being.
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Speaking of how the 3DS is "old".
Quite a shame the days of the NES are behind us, when they used to actually push a console as far as it could go, and then well beyond it.
The NES days were before the "console race" became a thing. Nintendo actually had no intention of releasing the SNES when they did because the NES basically had a monopoly on the market throughout the late 80s, but Sega forced their hand when Genesis started eating up NES's market share.
We'll know next year because Reggie said next E3 is going to be about the NX.
That's not what he said at all. He said they'd be ready to talk about it more next year...
So E3 basically
Yes, but is statement wasn't "Next year's E3 is going to be about the NX." For all we know, the NX could be a replacement for the 3DS. Of course, you guys won't consider that because you didn't get Metroid TODAY and the interview MUST mean the NX is a Wii U successor.
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We'll know next year because Reggie said next E3 is going to be about the NX.
That's not what he said at all. He said they'd be ready to talk about it more next year...
So E3 basically
Yes, but is statement wasn't "Next year's E3 is going to be about the NX." For all we know, the NX could be a replacement for the 3DS. Of course, you guys won't consider that because you didn't get Metroid TODAY and the interview MUST mean the NX is a Wii U successor.
Well yeah, Tanabe's statement is a pretty clear indication that the NX succeeds the Wii U. But I don't think a lot of people think it won't replace the 3DS as well. A fusion or multiple form factor console is seeming more and more likely after this E3, the lineup for both the 3DS and Wii U is clearly winding down.
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Well yeah, Tanabe's statement is a pretty clear indication that the NX succeeds the Wii U. But I don't think a lot of people think it won't replace the 3DS as well. A fusion or multiple form factor console is seeming more and more likely after this E3, the lineup for both the 3DS and Wii U is clearly winding down.
I've yet to see an actual working concept of a so-called ''hybrid console'', because I cannot imagine a concept like that to work like people expect it to work.
I've yet to see an actual working concept of a so-called ''hybrid console'', because I cannot imagine a concept like that to work like people expect it to work.
Well there are products on the market but none of them work as people would want. There are portables on the market that are powerful. The most powerful is probably the NVidia Shield which is around about where the 360 is. Plus with that level of power two years ago they had to have active cooling on it. They could probably do it in a years time cheaper and with passive cooling. But it wouldn't be an impressive home console by any means. Not even marginally close.
Then there's the second idea people toss around. They think that a hybrid would be some kind of dock you'd place your portable console in and it'd "turn into" a powerful console. That's also a thing on the market. You can buy docks for your laptop that give you a desktop grade graphics card. The main problem is if you wanted to do that you'd have to have a portable with a CPU that doesn't bottleneck the GPU. Also the fact that you'd end up spending as much as you would have for two devices anyway but wouldn't be able to play the home console without the portable.
The only way I can see the NX being both is if the NX is not one devices but rather a hardware ecosystem. One where, not unlike Android or iOS, you develop for a "tier" of device and that product will automatically work on everything above that device. And perhaps in that scenario the Wii U is not being replaced by the NX but is rather the "first NX". Or not. I think if this is what they're doing more likely they'll launch with a portable and a micro console with the big "powerful" console being out a bit after.
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