Topic: How would the PS4.5 and XB1.5 change the prospects of NX success?

@Therad:
Running the game is one thing. Running it with proper sound, no errors, no frame drops and so on is another. Doing all of that AND having all of the standby features of the 3DS? That's where you run into trouble.

Doesn't matter if PS4 has 4k.
NX will have Mario, Zelda, smash, starfox....

And with a bit of luck a ton of 3rd party support!

What's more attractive?

Slightly better textures and lighting or the best games on the planet?

@DjLewe78: That really is an opinionated question isn't it? Depends on whom you ask.

@DjLewe78: You could also argue that the PS4 is guaranteed of third party support and already has a great library. If Nintendo releases a new home console this year, who knows how long that thing will last before they replace it again, especially when sales aren't as expected.

You can play SNES games on 3DS via homebrew, so it's most definitely possible.

@Octane: it will probably last at least 4 years because even the disaster that was the Wii U lasted 4 years and every other home console system they've had (bar the Virtual Boy) has lasted just as long if not longer. So yeah "who knows"? A lot of people I'd say. And they know it should be at least 4 years, albeit the PS4.5 has muddied the waters considerably as to what is and isn't 'abandoning' a system and when is a systems supposed 'death'.

As long has they have backwards compatibility, don't care if it is hardware based or not.

@DefHalan:
Full hardware BC means you get it across the board on day1. Doing it via software means you'll get a limited list that rolls out over time. Probably not at launch and probably never covering every game. They'll likely focus on the games that sold well.

@skywake: I would prefer hardware BC but would settle for Software based

@DefHalan:
Just pointing out the differences. With the Wii U BC was there on day 1 and from my understanding only Lost Winds didn't work. You also lost the use of the GameCube controllers. With the XBOne it took 2 years after launch until 360 BC was released. Currently 153 games work or ~15% of the games that were released on the 360.

Given BC is something I only care about while I'm waiting for games to come out on a new platform? I think it's nice that you'd settle for the software solution. I personally think that it's a nice gesture but probably not something I'd actually use.

@skywake: There is a lot of truth of if it is worth it. I haven't used BC that much, mostly because most of my gaming since Wii U released has been on the GamePad screen. That could also be why I want the ability to stream the console to another room, that way I could play it while I don't have access to my primary television. But I just think Backwards Compatibility in some form is something consumers should expect. We have it in every other form of gaming except the dedicated gaming machines, which seems a little backwards to me. But we are kinda getting off topic and I have already debated this in another topic where people tried to tell me the Xbox One had no form of Backwards Compatibility. Would rather not relive that lol

I couldn't really care less if not every Wii U game is BC/ported because the lineup was mediocre to begin with. Just give me Splatoon, Mario Kart 8, Mario Maker, Yoshi's Woolly World, and Captain Toad and I'll be satisfied, those are the only Wii U games I'm truly interested in playing. The rest can fall off the face of the Earth for all I care.

With the BC on the XBONE how does you go about saved game data?

Putting the disagreement I have with your opinion about the Wii U's library aside. I don't follow your logic. You're saying here that the Wii U has, in your opinion, a mediocre library with only a few gems. If that's the case then surely only having a fraction of that library would be even less desirable.

Surely with only a handful of games "worth playing" any game from that list that doesn't work would be a big hit. If the five you mentioned were the only ones worth playing and half didn't make the transition? That's a huge blow! As opposed to if there were hundreds where even 1/10th is still a fair amount of content. I would have assumed that for who skipped the Wii U full BC would be pretty important.

It's a matter of quality over quantity. The people who skipped the Wii U likely don't care about its lineup altogether, especially the more niche titles, so they wouldn't be making Nintendo money. The only chance they have for making money off Wii U BC is by playing it safe with the higher sellers. So if full BC is already impossible, not having the full lineup is no big loss for them because the lineup isn't desirable to begin with.

@Bolt_Strike: True. I can see that. It would be pretty likely that someone who never owned a Wii U would only have a few big titles in mind they would want to play. Mario Kart, Star Fox (if it ends up being awesome), maybe something like Bayonetta.

I've always said, I don't use BC. So honestly, if it would cost Nintendo even a bit more money than they want or if it would take more production time, I say ditch it. But, the reality is that it may not be too costly or timely to implement, and in that case, I say "do what you have to do" haha

I don't think NX will have to backwards compatible as I'm sure this (rumoured but hopefully true) game streaming service will contain WII U games.
Nintendo know they had some barely played classics on WIIU so it wouldn't make sense to not include them in anyway.

I think we have to stop thinking about the norm when it comes to NX, other than its a box and a controller of some sort, everything else will be very big, and very new

Also as WIIU sold so badly would it make sense to spend all that money on making WIIU games for the few people who owned one BC?

@DjLewe78: I can't see the NX being bc either. Playing Wii U games won't be as big a selling factor as playing NX games. Those of us that have a Wii U don't want to pay for the tech again in another machine (I would rather just keep my Wii U thanks) and those that don't have a Wii U could probably download the games when Nintendo releases them digitally. I don't think Nintendo will kowtow to an audience that was not bothered about the Wii U...by letting them play Wii U games. Seems to be backwards thinking (literally!). Sure, I get bigger libraries are better. More is more but they have to succeed with the NX on it's on terms. If they can evolve gaming further then it doesn't need Wii U games. I am sure there will be some Wii U games released digitally or remastered or what have you, but there are not that many for bc to be a deal breaker.

@Bolt_Strike:
I wasn't talking about what'd make sense for Nintendo financially, I was talking about your response.

Wii U BC matters to you because you skipped the Wii U. But you said how much of the library made it didn't matter because there were only a few good games. Surely if there are only a few games you'd want as many of those few to be playable on NX!

I personally couldn't care less about Wii U BC. I have a Wii U, I've played a lot of its games. I also don't think BC will be very extensive if it exists at all. But for the people who skipped it? I'd have thought BC was a huge deal. Especially for those who only want a few specific titles....

The entire point of business is to make money by kowtowing to your consumer's interests. There are clearly loads of Nintendo fans who didn't bother with the Wii U. I don't think anyone would argue the Wii U doesn't have good games, but it doesn't have ENOUGH to be worth buying a whole console for.

Now, I'd be perfectly okay if BC was purely accomplished digitally. I just want to be able to play Splatoon and Xenoblade X