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Topic: How would the PS4.5 and XB1.5 change the prospects of NX success?

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iKhan

So rumors have been circulating that Sony and Microsoft are introducing mid-gen revisions to their consoles that include power upgrades. This is not something we have seen much of in the industry in the past, and I think it's a major curveball for predicting the chances for the success of a new Nintendo home console (this topic is irrelevant to the possibility of a handheld).

In my opinion, this is probably the best thing Nintendo could hope to happen if they plan on releasing the system in 2016. Now, they aren't a "mid-gen competitor" to the PS4 and XB1, but instead a new option along side two other new hardware releases.

This means that Nintendo can release a system only about 1.5-2x more powerful than the PS4, and see solid 3rd party support for games that aren't possible on the PS4 and XB1. Nintendo also gets a new hype wave to ride with their system, instead of a lonely echo.

If they planned on release in 2017, it's a little more murky. On one hand, it's still releasing within 1 year of spec revisions of competitors, but on the other, it could make it difficult for Nintendo to push a much larger spec upgrade (4-5x more powerful than the PS4).

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WebHead

As always, depends on what NX is. I can see PS4K and XB1.5 taking some mindshare away this holiday.

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GrailUK

@WebHead: Sony and Microsoft may lose some goodwill over this. Say what you want about the Wii U, it lived and died by it's own unique design. We all know that the PS4K and XB1.5 is going to be 'like the PS4 and XB1...but slightly better.'. If the NX is another new concept, then it will be the least depressing of the three

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Sisilly_G

The PS4 and Bone, to me anyway, already feel more like a PS3.5 and an Xbox0.5 than a "next-gen" upgrade. I never understood why they've been so lauded when they had so little new to offer. It seems that the majority of AAA releases are just ports of last-gen games or annualised instalments of tired franchises. The only benefit of current-gen is an increase in raw power, and even then, most games aren't running natively at 1080p anyway, which I think is inexcusable considering how expensive the new systems are (and don't even get me started on backwards compatibility).

While PSVR sounds intruiging, I'd rather dig just a little deeper and invest in a gaming PC and a superior VR rig for that kind of money. I guess we'll see as I'm yet to try one, and we don't know whether Nintendo have secret plans for VR of their own (Super Mario VR Land?).

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WebHead

@GrailUK: how? They'll just mainly be 4k media ready models. I highly doubt they'll get many, if any, exclusive games. Nothing to get mad over.

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Bolt_Strike

Probably negatively. Sure, a mid gen upgrade might be a controversial move, but I don't think the mainstream audience that doesn't pay attention like we do is going to care, especially if they don't have a PS4 or Xbox One already. Also, the release of those upgrades is inevitably going to steal attention from the NX regardless of how good it is, any press is good press as they say.

sillygostly wrote:

The PS4 and Bone, to me anyway, already feel more like a PS3.5 and an Xbox0.5 than a "next-gen" upgrade. I never understood why they've been so lauded when they had so little new to offer. It seems that the majority of AAA releases are just ports of last-gen games or annualised instalments of tired franchises. The only benefit of current-gen is an increase in raw power, and even then, most games aren't running natively at 1080p anyway, which I think is inexcusable considering how expensive the new systems are (and don't even get me started on backwards compatibility).

Because the mainstream gamers are easily amused by shiny graphics and major brands. It's the sad reality of the market now.

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GrailUK

@WebHead: You need to tell that to the internet lol.

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WebHead

@GrailUK: "internet". Right. They'll be there launch day anyway.

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WebHead

@GrailUK: "internet". Right. They'll be there launch day anyway.

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rallydefault

@WebHead: People will be mad that they need to shell out another couple hundred bucks, especially during a generation where Sony/Microsoft crowed about extending the lifecycle and delivering future-proof experiences.

I mean, anyone worth their salt knew that was bogus, even just for 4k capability. VR? PS4 without any kind of upgrade will be restricted to running some pretty simplistic stuff (relatively speaking... we're not talking 8-bit or anything lol).

Bottom line: I own both a PS4 and Xbox One, and there's no way I'm paying for an upgrade unit. No way. In fact, I'm in the middle of buying parts for my next gaming PC build - the only gaming machine currently that can handle 4k.

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DefHalan

I don't think these systems will be that much different than "Slim" models. Xbox released a slightly more powerful machine with unique kinect hook ups last gen and people didn't freak out about it. I expect these "upgrades" to be near the same. The extra power will just make the system more efficient and won't actually go towards making exclusive content. The 4K of the PS4.5 would probably just be for video and not games.

How will this affect NX? Who knows. We don't know anything about the NX. It may or may not be competing with them and it may or may not offer something new/different.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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MysteryMan23

Well, the NX would certainly be competing for attention against any other hardware released in the same year as it; that much is certain. However, while the PS4K and XB1.5 will likely just play New 3DS to their respective counterparts, NX has the potential to be significantly more powerful than either one (assuming it is in fact a home console.) If that were to happen, I can easily see gamers ignoring the PS4K and XB1.5 in favor of the NX, especially if they all get released in the same year.

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iKhan

WebHead wrote:

As always, depends on what NX is. I can see PS4K and XB1.5 taking some mindshare away this holiday.

I don't think there was much mindshare to compete with in the first place. Two new systems would probably increase the number of people interested in a new console, which could work to Nintendo's advantage.

Also, regardless of what it is, I think having some temporal consistency with their competitors is unequivocally a good thing.

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DefHalan

WebHead wrote:

except no one has to upgrade.

That is true with any hardware release really.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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Octane

DefHalan wrote:

I don't think these systems will be that much different than "Slim" models. Xbox released a slightly more powerful machine with unique kinect hook ups last gen and people didn't freak out about it. I expect these "upgrades" to be near the same. The extra power will just make the system more efficient and won't actually go towards making exclusive content. The 4K of the PS4.5 would probably just be for video and not games.

How will this affect NX? Who knows. We don't know anything about the NX. It may or may not be competing with them and it may or may not offer something new/different.

Exactly. Sony and Microsoft aren't going to split their userbase with exclusive games. They're not stupid. No major AAA game will make use of 4K this gen, even if the posibility is there. Unless you want to settle for 10fps that's not going to happen.

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FragRed

This E3 is becoming less and less of a "all eyes on Nintendo and it's new console" event as it was seeming to be just a few months ago. Nintendo really needs to wow everyone now, because they really have a fight on their hands I feel.

Perhaps now is a good time to consider some kind of E3 teaser, hype everyone up because it's going to get real noisy with everyone shouting about their latest console revisions and PS VR etc.

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WebHead

@Octane: yeah console AAA games are too expensive to do that. They'll basically be 4k media ready models for the most part.

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rallydefault

WebHead wrote:

@rallydefault: except no one has to upgrade.

Dude, come on. We all know that's a weak counter. The world in the history of ever has proven that people don't care if something is "free" or "not necessary" - they still complain. You and I might not like that attitude, but that's the attitude nonetheless.

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DefHalan

@FragRed: Well, to be fair, Nintendo is the only ones with New News. PSVR and HoloLens were shown off last year, so this year will just be a repeat of that and all the "2016" games Sony announced.

I think Nintendo has always need to wow people this E3, more than any other, to get customers just looking at them as a real option again. For half of the Wii life and most (if not all) of the Wii U life, I don't think most consumers looked at Nintendo as a real source for high quality games, sadly.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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