Topic: Ocarina of Time: More Beautiful Than Ever

I think people are confusing remakes with ports. Remakes are a complete do over, and may change a lot of the game. Ports, on the other hand, are just recoding the game for use on another system. They may not change anything, and when they do, they're usually called enhanced ports. So far Ocarina 3DS looks to be an enhanced port, since most of the game is exactly the same, although I am saying that based off of screenshots and a short article I read, so who knows.

Trilogy? The Zeldas I mentioned, Resdient Evil 4, Super Mario 64 DS, Cave Story, Every other Resident Evil, and Okami.

I guess that counts but I'm not totally sure.

SM64DS was more of an enhanced port that made good use of the upgraded polygon count and added many features, making it more of a pseudo-remake. The Resident Evil remakes were built from the ground up to play on the more powerful Gamecube hardware. RE Archives, on the other hand.....

I'm sorry, but porting a classic to a handheld so you can take it wherever you want is not excuse to port it.

And the same with Mario 64? What's with all this game recycling? GEEEZ!

It depends on how you look at it. Even so SM64DS added all that hardware stuff you mentioned plus mini-games and 30 additional stars to collect, thus being a full fledged remake.

On an additional note, Ports (to me anyways), are games that are the exact same thing but with different controls to suite the current system it's on. For example: Okami, Resident Evil 4, and the New Play Control! series.

It's an easy way to make money and an easy way to get a quick lineup for the launch of a new system.

everything you just listed was a port aside from resident evil 1. again, a port is taking the same game, same programming and all and putting it on another system. a remake is rebuilding the game all over again from scratch.

ocarina of time, like cave story, straddles a line between the two with the original framework being tweaked heavily enough to feel new while underneath it's the same old game for the most part, although ocarina is being changed much more aggressively. straight ports happen all the time, but it's rare to see first party games getting this kind of facelift treatment.

either way, i don't care. i find myself spending more time playing classic old games than new ones, so in all honesty a game i already know by heart with new enhancements is more interesting than most new 3rd party games coming out.

Same here.

i'm pretty sure i've seen some posts in this thread alone from people looking forward to having this game on a handheld. in fact, this is the first time i've heard people reacting negatively to being able to play a game they love portably. usually there's a pretty positive reaction to the idea (pixel fans really seem to want cave story DS, for example)

There's all kinds of ports of 1st party games out there. Just look around you. Everything but Mario 64 DS was a port and I knew that. But my point is that OoT 3DS is a direct port of the game on N64 and that Nintendo does have a history of remaking and porting their games consistently (Same as 3rd parties on Nintendo consoles). Just look at the GBA library and Gamecube library.

That's^^ all that needs to be said.

i'm not even sure what we're arguing about, to be honest. my point was that there's a distinction between a port and a remake, and relative to the volume of ports out there, remakes rarely happen. i can understand why people would be upset to see too many of either, but you don't have to buy them. it doesn't hurt you in any way for nintendo to make a game people may have missed before available again, or to update an older game with it's definitive control scheme (re4).

most of the ports and remakes alike have turned out to be better games, so while it's not as inspired as a brand new game on nintendo's part, i'm not complaining about making some of the greatest games ever a little greater. i'm sure this zelda remake will also dance circles around the original, so it's kind of hard for me to find the downside here.

I'm not sure if that's a good counter to the argument romulux was making. They were both released at about the same time so it wasn't really a port of an old game. Secondly, the Wii version did add pointer controls (and 16:9) so the two versions weren't identical and there was "value" in "upgrading" to the Wii version. The Wii version of TP was kinda the first in the "Wii Play Control" series.

It had an awesome collection of minigames and there were extra gameplay elements. I didn't own the game but apparently you could play it as Wario, Luigi or Yoshi which changed the gameplay a bit. I do remember the minigames though (I think they were the same as the ones in New SMB) because, when the number of DS' started to increase, that was about all that was played amongst my friends at UNI. Even when Mario Kart DS started to gain popularity the mini-games on M64DS and New SMB were always a huge hit.

Think of it as Ninty filling their jars so they have more money to make new games. Plus, as stated before, people are more likely to buy something familiar than something new. Ninty also needs a good line-up for the new (and expensive) system, and updated ports are easy to make. It's Win/Win, so I don't see what there is to complain about. It's not like the system's only gonna have ports for the rest of its lifespan.

Listen. Being able to play Ocarina in 3D while on the toilet is reason enough for a remake.Do not underestimate how good this is gonna be! Can't wait

I totally agree with this post!

Oh, and for all those who hate remakes/ports (or disagree with them). While I would agree that remaking/porting many games seems pointless, it does offer something for everyone, i.e. old-school gamers in this case and those who never played the originals.

^just don't drop it.

By your own definitions, TP on Wii is in every way a port. The only other tweak to the game other than the controls is the fact that it's mirrored, and I'd say that doesn't count.

Also;

We don't really know much about OoT 3DS, but based on what we do know, I think it's safe to say it's an enhanced port, rather than a direct port. Direct ports are just that, the same game on a different platform with no alterations whatsoever. While an enhanced port has enhancements, and OoT 3DS looks to have enhanced graphics, so yeah...
Sure, my definition of the various ports might be wrong, but then I ask you to enlighten me; if OoT 3DS is a direct port, what do you call, say, the GameCube ports of Resident Evil 2 and 3?

ANYWAY;

This x 1000

I see your points, but porting (or enhance porting) a game that is so awesome... it feels like your just zapping that awesome away from the original to push your port forward.

I just don't like seeing amazing games being redone. I didn't mind it for the VC because they were releasing the original (albeit with a new control scheme), but revamping the whole thing... it hurts. :¦

not many people were complaining when resident evil was redone on the gamecube. the original is hardly playable these days, while the remake is now maybe the very best old style resident evil. re4 and the prime games are also twice as good with a wiimote. i only see awesomeness being added, not subtracted by these re-rele... wiireleases.

(wiireleases is copyrighted, i came up with that.)

Rereleases if done right can be awesome. And sometimes games don't age so well, graphics or control schemes seem great at the time, but when you go back to play it, they almost hurt the more than help it. There are some games that look so bad nowadays or the control scheme is so backwards to what we are now spoiled with that they feel archaic and in need of updating.

I have the problem is when they only update to cash in on a game and it fails, like the Twin Snakes...inferior to the original in almost every way. So it looks slightly prettier, but the mood and atmosphere is now gone. Sometimes good games should be left as good games.

Resident Evil? Hardly playable? I can do just fine in that game, and I find it to be a well aged classic, and this is coming from somebody who picked it up just last holloween. I think I like it even more than the remake. If you wanna talk hardly playable, lets take it a look at Super Mario 64 DS and its horrible controls and broken camera that seems to laugh at your expense every time it guides you into a lava pit that it conveniently hid from you until it was too late.

But I digress. The only thing people should be complaining about are the seeming lack of new features. It seems Nintendo is content with selling us the same game most of us have already played, except now on the go (except the game isn't very well suited for portable gaming as is) now in 3D (does it really matter in this case?) and with slightly polished up graphics that took a keen eye and directly compared screenshots to even notice. Personally, I'm not buying. I've already got Ocarina, and if I ever get the random urge to play it, the copy I already have will more than suffice(especially since my copy also has Master Quest on it). Unless someone can direct me to some new feature or location that might tempt me to drop however much they're asking for on it, I ain't buying.