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@retro_player_22 I, for one, appreciate Capcom doing their best to make the PS4/Xbox One version as good as it can be, same with PC by making it once the console version is done. Switch people clamour for portability above all else, I'm just happy care is being spent on the actual experience, by going with proper consoles.

@NEStalgia Gotta have it on Switch coz portability or it's doomed? Allow me a moment to vomit.

@retro_player_22 They are proving themselves, by expanding in the West, on the 3 largest install-bases and markets there, making good use of the extra power.

I don't see the problem here.

@retro_player_22 Just from 3 other MAJOR platforms xD "Oh dear, those 10+ million Switch players" VS probably 10x as much on the other platforms combined.

Yeah, I rest mine case.

@erv Inferior product? Why does that matter? It's portable, that alone is what matters.

@Tibob And they will, for portability. That's the road we're headed towards, I can only, unironically, tell people to get used to it sigh

@Kamiyouni Doesn't necessarily need those. They're nice additions, but any game + portability is good enough.

@Arcamenel There's a rumour that the Switch will get a custom MH. The same rumour said Capcom didn't want to do a "quick and dirty" localisation of XX.

That's all I've got for you.

@electrolite77 People just twist things to suit their whims. It's so much easier to just say Sony moneyhatted it, than to accept what the developer says. Hell, I've seen comments of people saying the developer is lying!

Indeed as to your 1st piece. It's a part of the industry. Why should Nintendo have countless exclusives and that's all right, but when one says Sony and MHW you get this: "And what if he doesn't have one of those? That's over $300 just to play a single game."

That argument can be applied to ANY console, and doubly so for Nintendo when one considers their library of exclusive IP.

@electrolite77 That'd be the best solution, aye. Giving it more thought, the thing that irks me about the Switch, isn't actually the machine itself, but the asinine fools that own it and demand all their games portable now.

Look at this: http://nintendoeverything.com/monster-hunter-world-devs-on-the-lack-of-a-switch-version/ All these people whining about Sony moneyhatting and how World should've been on Switch. It disgusts me.

@PlywoodStick "wait to potentially have zero problems with Xenoblade 2 and the like, though..." Therein lies the problem.

@JaxonH I've told you many a times that that's my motive. I'm asking that compromises on account of Switch's form-factor don't impact docked play, that is all.

Now calm down, will you?

@JaxonH Arguing for the dock's improvement is nonsense crap to you? So long as your mode is perfectly fine, all is dandy eh?

@JaxonH "Figures for Nintendo Switch gameplay for registered Nintendo Account users, gathered via the internet Showing Hardware where play time for either docked or undocked modes exceeds 80% as gameplay in XX mode is primary."

Last I checked, people out and about are mostly offline, that, and who knows how many people either are 100% offline, or never bothered to register? Or are those people irrelevant to you?

@JaxonH Basing that on a survey, that only counts those who bothered to answer said survey, and doesn't account the rest of the world. I laugh at thee.

@JaxonH Whack arguments? You've done nothing to debunk those links. Still waiting for that bit.

electrolite77 That is the setup I'm sporting right now. Permanently docked Switch on my left, PC in-front of me. Nintendo's exclusives, plus more games coming to Steam that used to be console only, is what makes it a nice combo. But most people will just look at the Switch, and say "Ah, for on the go" in this case.

@JaxonH Easy to put it like that when you've ran out of arguments. How much do you get paid for Nintendo's PR, or are you doing it for free?

@JaxonH Explain me those links. Justify them. Tell me why, if it's such a big deal, it doesn't get coverage, it's only looked down upon, and it's only justified/saved by handheld. Tell me that.

"We get instances like these: http://letsplayvideogames.com/2016/10/report-nintendo-switch-dock-doesnt-support-external-usb-drives/ Is that equal treatment? Handheld people can get most of what they want, but Nintendo doesn't even allow people external USB drives because they piss their pants at the thought that it's LESS PORTABLE? Excuse me, but that is BS to level of maximum."

How is it fair, that people that play docked aren't even ALLOWED to solve the Switch's PATHETIC internal memory because Nintendo rolls their eyes at such an arbitrary and pathetic thing? What's wrong with external USB's?

@JaxonH "The fact you do not have a cable hanging over your entertainment center that you have to physically grab and plug in a port, means it is different." What? So just because the cables go in the dock, that changes everything? So encasing the cable in a plastic holder is all it takes?

They can have all the credit they want, I'm simply arguing in favour of the mode that seems the internet seems to want to forget. Comparisons, news, reason for buying, Nintendo talking, it's all handheld. If it's a "hybrid" then why is "handheld" all I read and hear? Do you see Nintendo talk about how the Switch has reinvigorated the home-console market by being hybrid? No, instead, we get headlines like these: http://nintendoeverything.com/nintendo-on-how-switch-reaffirms-the-value-of-portable-gaming-has-an-advantage-over-smartphones/

We get instances like these: http://letsplayvideogames.com/2016/10/report-nintendo-switch-dock-doesnt-support-external-usb-drives/ Is that equal treatment? Handheld people can get most of what they want, but Nintendo doesn't even allow people external USB drives because they piss their pants at the thought that it's LESS PORTABLE? Excuse me, but that is BS to level of maximum.

@PlywoodStick 60 FPS is one thing, but stable is another. Zelda dips frames when using stasis+ and panning the camera, and that's the game XC2 suffered for. XC2 could've probably been stable 30 FPS all around if that didn't happen.

I'm not asking all these games to run 60 FPS, I'm asking them to RUN STABLE at least. Is that so much to ask?

@JaxonH "If you have to plug a cable in directly each time, it's not really hybrid, but a portable device you're utilizing for console play" So basically Switch? Gotcha. The dock is just an expensive plastic accessory, with a small cube that acts as a converter ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxUuDh5dOus ), that apparently succeeds in making you think it causes the Switch to qualify as hybrid. GG Nintendo.

What are "true" home-console games then? Are the games on Vita not "true" home-console games? They came from, what was it? PS2/PS3? Isn't Vita the first hybrid then, since it's got that Vita TV thing? In addition to the rest?

It can play the same games the way you explain it, because the form-factor of the machine is, inherently, a tablet. Add Joy-Cons and it's a handheld. If you dock it, you can play it on a TV, but that doesn't make it a home-console. It's form-factor didn't magically transform into something else, it's still that tablet that is at the heart of everything.

@JaxonH Go to Nintendo and sort the XC2 situation then, lad. I've came across plenty of issues, some of them more egregious then others, namely the errors, that should've never been in a Nintendo product.

@electrolite77 "No more having to buy two systems to get all Nintendo's future games." I never saw that as an issue, and I still don't. It makes sense to have separate systems, since people will be happy to just have games portable, they don't have to be good, don't need to run well, neither do they have need for power (Just look at 3DS). But from a home-console, it's expected that the device can do something of merit in that regard, and quite a bit behind the curve (base levels of competition, I think another Nintendo employee got a stroke when I mentioned COMPETITION) isn't exactly a good thing, now is it?

And yes, I'm well aware that the above is a very skewed way to look at it, but that's the vibes I get from these people that cream over Switch due to it's portability. Comparisons not in it's favour? But it's portable. Problems in the games? It's portable. Anything negative about it? It's portable. Only natural that one gets really sick of these people if they want to see improvements, and they're excused all day every day.

@JaxonH I'll complain when I buy an apple, and it tastes like an orange. Nintendo themselves call it a home-console system, and I can't expect what comes with that label? My god what a world we live in.

And just for the record, I already own a medium powered gaming PC, I just don't want to see frame-drops/errors in my games because the system I bought for home-console play, is actually a tablet with glorified HDMI cable.

@JaxonH Last time I'll remind you of this: It's not like I can get Nintendo's games elsewhere, now can I? I have to buy their hardware, or did you think I'd buy Switch if their games were on PC?

Also Jaxon, I'm not going to mince words, I seriously dislike how you argue your point. It's as if you're saying "The Switch is my handheld! I love it as such, and if that means the other part that you use suffers for it, then you'll have to accept and live with that!" Well sorry, but no I won't. I'd like to see that part get it's own set of improvements and enhancements.

Every time someone suggests locking features to handheld, they're all given a thumbs-up. Every-time someone even DARES to think about a game that's docked only to make use of that pathetic little extra bit of power the Switch has, he is mentally tackled and restrained with "But that would compromise the Switch's message! That would go against it! We can't have that!" Hypocritical bunch of failures...

And the above is a perfect example of why the Switch should NOT have been a hybrid, and why Nintendo should've gone with a way to have games on both a separate handheld and home-console system. You get what you desire, just add an HDMI cable, and I get what I want, a proper home-console system that runs games well without being stuck to, and limited by, a tablet form.

@Robohock We've not encountered this... "hybrid" situation before, so it's only natural that questions arise. I see it quite simple: home-console people ask different things from their machine than handheld. Handheld people are happy to play their game on the go, and will happily take any compromise. Home-console people tend to value performance, and these 2 things clash, that's simply the way of it. (and why would they not value performance? I sure as hell am noticing that things don't look quite that crisp when on the big screen, but oh wait that's NEVER leveraged as an argument, why? Because people only look at handheld, which does look good!)

Also, let's not mince words, the true attraction of the Switch, the sole if not main reason why games sell on the system is portability. You could remove anything else, the Joy-Cons (obviously replaced by a non-removable side-piece with buttons) the dock, anything and it'd sell just as well on the premise of portability alone. I see people worship this concept as the key integral part of gaming now, and I can already see this lead to a future where the actual games themselves are compromised severely, just because this crowd demands portability above all else. Well, what a great future to look forward to, buggy and unoptimized games for Nintendo, I'm already being filled with hype.

The other day, someone suggested Ubisoft could bring Anno to Switch, which had me laugh my socks off. There's a reason why RTS aren't on consoles, due to mouse control, because there's a lot to render, a lot going on, a lot of models, and the same argument can be made for the current (important, read that double, if not triple) state of the Switch. Until it doesn't make any compromises for handheld any-more, it's still a majority tablet/handheld device that happens to have a fancier looking case to hold that also doubles as a glorified HDMI cable. You can ditch the dock and use the rest of the Switch without issue, but you can't ditch the Switch (and the Joy-Cons in this case) and use the rest of the dock for anything, and without that dock, it isn't a home-console, hence it's a side-accessory, rather then an integral part. "Oh, but then what would you Switch to?" Tablet/table-top mode, nice try though, I'll give points for that.

@JaxonH Talk about overreacting. You're acting as if I'm putting a weapon to your head, calm down lad.

All I'm asking is that they equalize the modes via an external way that doesn't cost you JACK.

Also you're acting like a D right now. Calm the fluff down and then come back here for some proper discussing.

@JaxonH "Portability most definitely is subjectively of use to me... me and a ton of others, just like marginally better performance is of subjective use to you. Most people say as long is the game runs smooth then it's good enough. As long as the car goes 120 miles an hour I don't need it to go 500. And they'd rather have a boat + car + plane than 1 single car that goes 500mph."

So then why are we not offered the choice to go for either or? I'm forced to live with the consequences of many others wanting portability. Where's the fairness in that?

"There are systems out there for everyone. If performance is what matters to you then buy it on a console that offers performance. If play ability and access is what matters to you then buy it on a console that offers play anywhere and anytime. It's really not hard. There is nothing to be complaining about here (as if it could suddenly make the system more powerful anyways). Except it and move on and let's start talking about games, not how "inferior they are compared to X, Y and Z". That tripe gets old."

Sure, have Nintendo bring those awesome games that are lodged into my childhood as being awesome to PC, and you'll never see me complain ever again. But since we both know that won't happen, I'll just advocate that Nintendo should make the docked mode a more legitimate experience. It's not like it's impossible to make it have parity with PS4/Xbox One base models at least.

Make it a separate product that people can buy if they want, like that supplemental computing device. People who worship portability as the 2nd coming of gaming, can just buy a base Switch and be happy, and people that want the extra performance AT LEAST have an option to actually get that. Everyone's happy.

@JaxonH 1. We're talking about people that play on PC for 60 FPS, and skips consoles in that regard.

2. These games are playable, but in certain cases more FPS is simply better, much like how one does not put RTS games on a console, so too does one target 60 FPS in a fighter, and take enough with 30 when it comes to turn-based.

3. I already buy multiplats for my PC, but I've not a lot of choice when it comes to Nintendo's games, now do I? We didn't know what the dock did at first, now did we? Should I have expected Nintendo to skimp that hard and make an 80% plastic stand that does nothing meaningful that an HDMI cable can't do?

4. As I've said, portability is subjectively of use to you, power can always be applied to a game you like in a meaningful way, especially on Switch (Since it simply isn't as powerful as a stationary console). If all the Switch multiplatform games performed at least as well in the performance department (not graphics) then I'd say "Sure, I'll get it on Switch".

@JaxonH "That's a biased view in every way. When it comes to "compromises", playing Dark Souls in 1080p docked with a satisfactory framerate (as long as it's not running like a slideshow then it's fine) is practically the exact same thing as playing it in 1080p and 60fps on a PS4 or X1."

There are people who were ecstatic for the Switch release.... until they heard it was 30 FPS, so yes, it does matter for a certain amount of people.

"The benefit seen on other systems is negligible at best- extra frames are an unnecessary luxury if the game is already running smoothly, and it's the exact same resolution."

You buy practically all your games on Switch right? Play Dragonball Xenoverse 2 in the regular multiple vs multiple mode, then do training that's 1vs1, experience the power of 60 FPS, then come back here and speak to me again.

"How about you get whatever version you want, and we will respect your desires, and you let others get what they want... but stop judging and condescending toward others for their preferences."

That's the problem with this "hybrid" approach. Your version compromises on MY version. Your want for portability, means my docked version functions less than it could've done. They're 100% linked and Nintendo didn't bother to provide any way to negate or reduce those compromises.

"So tired of people acting like a hybrid version of the game is objectively inferior. If it's not what you want, then don't buy it! That simple. But get off the high horse before you do so. "

It is objectively inferior, just watch ALL the comparisons that prove it. That and portability is preferential. Power can ALWAYS be put to good use, either for graphics, frame-rates or whatever else.

"Is it truly too much to ask the same of you?" I'm trying to get some equality for that mode that gets used, but ignored and excused never the less. I want my docked games WITHOUT compromise because it's linked to a handheld, oh wait, no, it's a tablet.

@electrolite77 That's true, and people will buy multiplats for other machines when it comes to that, and they do not use portability. But that isn't an option for Nintendo's games. I can't select that I'm playing docked so it magically makes these compromises disappear, now can I?

The dock, is merely a converter and barely does anything for the Switch. It may as well be a regular tablet kick-stand with the bit of technology strapped behind that with some ducttape and sold for 35

@BanjoPickles Portability is an asset for more sales, and for it, power has been compromised. Power will have your game run better (assuming it is used and optimized for), will have the console that has it run the latest games. Portability merely caters to people's selfish desire for convenience.

Portability is a step backwards. People are already accepting faults on Switch games due to it. Before long, buggy and poorly optimized games are all we'll get.

@electrolite77 It attracts near unilateral support on account of it being handheld alone, when it comes to Japan. I don't think you'd need to worry about that.

Every multiplat will sell off of portability, unless it's indie, since those will be just about the same version.

@BanjoPickles Then Nintendo needs to start seeing it as not a secondary option. They hate competition, and are happy to hear Sony say that the Switch is nice IN ADDITION TO the PS4.

This isn't on the people playing the Switch, this is what Nintendo wants.

@Deathwalka "Redundant topic" sounds quite condescending to me. Something wrong with wondering if a game has an audience for Switch, if it'll sell and be appreciated there? Or is Switch this sacred holy grail that has any and all games do well regardless?

Also, that hooking up bit? I mean it's form-factor being a tablet means it's objectively worse to other versions like on PS4/Xbox One, so that's hardly the mode people should care about, now is it?

@SanderEvers As with every third-party multiplat, and indeed with every game on the system: Portability is the primary, if not SOLE reason for purchase.

Personally I don't have the reaction time for Souls games, but if I'd buy it, it'd be on PC with 60 FPS. My Switch is a Nintendo machine and for games that PC doesn't get for whatever perplex-able reason.

@Fazermint Power? Whether or not the audience is there? Perception of console which ties in with audience? Don't be so condescending.

"Games not working on my sacred handheld?! Preposterous!" What of the list of games not coming to Switch otherwise? Do you condemn those developers now? Capcom with Monster Hunter World? Take 2 with Red Dead? Ubisoft with most likely Beyond Good and Evil 2?

@NEStalgia PayDay2? I duly wonder how many people will end up buying that one.

Those votes for PayDay2, Lol and to think Nintendo paid for exclusive content for that.

@ThanosReXXX Agreed. We'll see what they bring.

As a multiplatform gamer that also owns a PC, Dragon Quest and Octopath are on my list, and the other big ones are questionable so far.... (In terms of when they release)

@Yorumi Vote Reggie for next global president?

@PlywoodStick I hope Kimishima's follow-up has more eye for the developer part then.... Is it too much to ask for some kind of combo between him and Iwata?

No word on the errors that can literally take hours of progress? Dangit....

@Yorumi What of this then? https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/04/nintendos_supplemental_computing_device_patent_is_cleared_for_completion

@PlywoodStick Yeah, it's a really sad state of affairs. I've enjoy BotW, though not as much as the 10/10 people, and I've greatly enjoyed XC2. Basically figuring out that one was sacrificed for the other.... Especially with that big project, I'd rather have that other project pushed out to make XC2 stronger, but eh, who am I?

And this is also for @Yorumi it seems most people like those English accents. I for one am just happy there was a JP voice pack. Other than that, the main story was great, the side-quests are "Meh" but I'm an MMO-player and have already learned how to shut-off my brain with the menial fetch quests.

@PlywoodStick I've not really looked into that analysis, but if you add this all together, then XC2 has indeed been cut short. It's fantastic for what it is as a game, but Nintendo better have a good excuse for this...

@Yorumi Yeah, that writing has basically become memetic. Maybe it's the fact that Nintendo got away with it in Fire Emblem: Fates? Speaking of Fates, do you think they didn't offer dual-audio because the 3DS can't handle having that on the cart as well? And if so, then why not just offer it as download the way they did for XC2?

Speaking of Xenoblade Chronicles 2, I'll put the links of what I've found in that regard here, and I'd like to ask your opinion on this: https://www.resetera.com/threads/xenoblade-chronicles-2-staff-analysis.9222/ That's a very interesting thing, since it ties into the rush part. Then there's this: http://nintendoeverything.com/xenoblade-developer-monolith-soft-recruiting-for-ambitious-new-project/ Which also ties into that, and last, but not least this: http://nintendoeverything.com/xenoblade-chronicles-2-director-on-development-inspiration-for-the-world-and-setting-upcoming-dlc-more/ which contradicts that by stating the team "Has it's hands full on the Story DLC" but then that can also be that B team without them explicitly telling us.

I'm just happy it had the Japanese VA pack, since holy crap, whenever Rex shouted I just want to duct-tape his mouth shut.

Also thank you for the expansive answer, I appreciate it.

@ThanosReXXX A quick thinking question for you: Do you think Nintendo will improve the Switch docked experience via their supplemental computing device patent/the dock itself? Or are they more likely to use tech upgrades to the tablet itself as time goes by?

It would be really funny if this became Nintendo's next focus, if only because it's selling like crazy. I can see the Switch become a portable Wii at that point

@UmbreonsPapa The most consumer friendly thing would be not to be locked down to any one device. That way, you'd buy the machine that best fits your situation, like Switch if you want handheld, or PS4 Pro if you want home-console with power.

@electrolite77 Hah, feels like I'm getting punished for buying a Wii-U sometimes.

@ThanosReXXX I really hope @Kirk is willing to shed some light on this, since I'd love to know what happened with XC2. Such a brilliant game, but those issues are unfortunate.

@ThanosReXXX Then what's your take on this? http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-does-xenoblade-chronicles-2-push-switch-mobile-mode-too-far (as in, is the Switch's limit already reached?)

@ThanosReXXX So 2nd party means you can't expect Nintendo quality off of them? (Whatever value that still holds these days)