@SteveDaSteve "determined by the permissions of the software you are using" Where do I set these special permissions per software on Windows?
"However, you need a means to show that prompt." Any software can show that prompt by simply officially requesting admin privileges. The prompt exists so that the user notices what's going on, but the average Steam user will click "agree", because he's used to it. In fact with regular user permissions, one can also modify existing shortcuts and also enable "run as admin". All that's left is the Steam user clicking "agree", and he will, because just like you claimed "malware exists only on Windows 7 and is super insecure", therefore clicking on "agree" makes sense.
"Some malware will only work on older operating systems, because it has been patched in new versions." What has been patched? You understand what malware is? For example a software that encrypts all of your user files and demands money for decryption. What do you patch to avoid that kind of software? All the software is doing is reading files and writing files, it's not hacking anything. There is no vulnerability involved. And thus it can and will run everywhere and even does its job without admin privileges.
"It depends on the vulnerability." So you don't even understand what malware is.
Malware is also Spyware, like Google Chrome (which Valve is installing on your system without telling you), which spies on the user. Also no vulnerability involved and nothing get patched either.
By the definition Steam itself is spyware, because it spies on the user and transmits personal data like for example how long a certain software has been running to Valve. That's called spyware. But what it's doing is normal software stuff, it doesn't hack your computer. It doesn't use vulnerabilities. And you started it by yourself anyway.
"They wouldn't do that intentionally, because that would significantly ruin their reputation." Reminder that Steam allows anyone to publish software on Steam, You just need to pay them $100 or something. It will take months for anyone to notice, and then you simply create another developer account and repeat.
@VoidofLight Don't forget what supermarkets are going for now and something that Valve has been doing for years now:
Region-specific / user-specific pricing
You can make user-specific pricing go through the whole purchase history, social media, etc. to figure out how much income someone has and then charge accordingly.
According to Steam fans that's great, because everyone in for example Europe is super rich, and thus deserves high prices.
Able to afford to travel to foreign lands? That's $150 for GTA 6.
@SteveDaSteve "other vulnerabilites" If they can remotely execute code, they can do literally everything the user does. They don't need additional vulnerabilites. Show 99% of Steam users an admin request dialog and they will click "agree", because "da game needs it, want to play now" Bam now full control in any case.
If they can do that, you already lost. And again: with Steam they do not even have to do that. They can simply push malware inside a game and people will even spend money to get hacked, which is quite ironic. Or push a "user fix" exe out and get people that way, because people also blindly open that, and of course Valve pushes such links by breaking software left + right.
And you think malware would only work on Windows 7, but not on 10.
@Joekun "The future of gaming is the arcade model. With your credit card on file you’ll stream the latest and greatest games and be charged per play. Or better yet, per minute! "
Yes, nailed it. Of course you paid to play in an arcade, but you didn't own the arcade machines, didn't pay explicitly for electricity, the room wasn't yours. But now you pay for everything and then some, plus per minute streaming.
In a way I wish that Valve would pull all of that. They can, Steam users agreed to it. Most PC users would deserve it, because that would be the way to finally destroy stealing of games.
And I'm sure they would defend Valve once more. "Thanks Valve, that saves me from downloading 400 GBs" "Wow, you see no more daily patching of games"
Create a problem Offer the anti-customer solution Customer applaud Like pottery
@progx "It is in the purchasing agreement that your CD, DVD, BR and UHD are property of the labels/studios."
Not valid, also didn't sign anything before purchase and thus illegal. They can write whatever they want into EULAs or on the cover. Unless it's a contract that I signed before purchase it's null and void. And you can't stop first sale doctrine anyway.
CDs, DVDs, Blu-rays, etc. are all yours. It's not the property of anyone, but the one who purchased them. It's not a license. It's one copy of a work of art. Nothing more, but also nothing less. And there is also no way for any corporation like Valve to take these away from you, because there is no internet lockout built into it. Exactly.
With digital, they can legally pull all of these scams, because you agreed to all of it in advance and there is also no physical product being protected by first sale doctrine.
Valve: "and now I redefine the word 'purchase' to mean 'renting'" and the word ownership to mean "being a slave to Valve, yes master Valve I will do whatever you want me to do"
@SteveDaSteve "The vulnerabilities of a game's multiplayer can expose the vulnerabilities of the OS. It's like wearing two sets of armor:" No, that makes no sense. A game is not armor, at best it has no vulnerabilites, but if it has, an attacker can do everything the user can. The OS can not differentiate between that code and regular game code.
And if a game has a vulnerability, then that vulnerability is present everywhere, it won't matter if you play it on Windows 7 or Windows 10. Your security is broken at that point regardless.
Hilariously Steam users often download random EXEs off the internet to fix game issues caused by Valve. Have you thought about how stupid this is? In such a random EXE literally anything can be included, you don't even need a vulnerability, Valve and their bad practices push for this, because they break games and then tell the users to fix it themselves, because they can't be bothered.
In fact any game on Steam can include malicious code, you do not even need to get hacked via a vulnerability. You may pay Valve to get hacked.. Any of the mandatory enforced game updates may include malicious code. There is no one actually protecting you.
" it just takes a little more effort." Buying a new PC, downloading games onto there and then copying them over and fiddling around to somewhat make it sort of work sometimes and then also stripping DRM is not "a little more effort" nor is it worth any money.
That's the insanity on Steam. Valve breaks it. Can't critize Valve. Must fix it yourself. Just waste your time and pay them 30% for taking games hostage. Download random EXE off the internet and run it. Requires admin? No problem, must be the game. It's super safe, because I got the link on Steam. But you are insecure if you don't use Windows 11! Thanks Valve.
I got better things to do, like playing games. I will just give someone else money that will not lock me out of my hardware. Simple as.
@Ducklizard
"people like me who collect and treasure the media they enjoy matter less than the people who consume and dispose of their entertainment with equal indifference."
The problem is that we are a minority, but an important minority.
The average Wii owner bought around 10 games in total.
The average PS3 owner bought a bit more but it's around the same total.
Imagine that. I own possibly 200+ PS3 games. I own hundreds of PS4 games, even way more Switch games. And almost all Wii U games, tons of Wii games etc.
We matter, because we are like 100 average little customers combined in one. That's why companies like LRG flourished.
I was so happy when they released a few indie games for Wii U on disc, and that's also what I love about Switch.
**And the average customer probably simply has to experience tons of pain to start thinking and realizing that they don't know wtf they are doing.**
You see people like Iwata understood that keeping their best customers happy is a very important thing. That's why he "wasted" money on Wii U for games that made zero sense financially, but he did it anyway.
The new Nintendo doesn't really care about that. They downgraded Breath of the Wild even, removed all Wii U functionality because Switch couldn't handle it. Released downgraded ports for full price.
I mean do you remember when Iwata gave away Metroid Prime Trilogy digitally for $10? And that was the release date price. That was insanely cheap and nice of him.
New Nintendo wouldn't do that. New Nintendo doesnt care about long term. I miss Iwata.
Their Wii U customers were probably their best customers. And what did they do? They handled them like crap.
IOn Wii U there even was cross-platform purchases. Developers were able to decide how a game should spread across.
There was at least one game that was even granted to every user on the Wii U regarding their 3DSs. This means 1 game bought on Wii U was granted to multiple 3DS users. Can't see that happening again.
@SteveDaSteve
Of course you did. I showed you that Valve literally wrote "will stop working" and you claimed that Steam DRM client would still work perfectly on Windows 7, which by itself is not accurate.
But if it would have been, that would in fact imply that Valve lied.
And in a way they did.
"In a single player game, very unlikely. In a multiplayer game, it depends on what security loopholes exist in the game's network code."
How would the OS affect the vulnerabilities of a game's multiplayer?
"There are many more ways you can get hacked than just with a web browser."
How are people getting hacked?
Do they connect their PC directly to the internet w/ open ports? Nope.
"The fact is that there are reasons these games stopped working. Like you quoted earlier, that game stopped working after updating because Steam updated their encryption. Is it a good thing they broke? I mean, in a way sure, if it encourages people to take their security more seriously"
It seems you do not even understand the problem.
Games do not stop working because Steam updated encryption.
They can not be downloaded anymore, and that's not safety, people are simply getting locked out, that is all and it has nothing to do with computer security.
And just buying a new PC is doing nothing regarding security.
Not installing Steam, which is literally another outdated copy of Google Chrome, would enhance security, because it is an outdated version.
I remember there being severe Google Chromie security issues and Steam wasn't updated for weeks if not months, despite it literally being a web browser. That's in fact a very very bad thing.
In Windows you could simply use the system's web browser and embed this into your DRM client. Valve could have done that, but they don't actually care about security.
Would also save on RAM.
Better yet - just call the system's web browser and do all the website specific things in there, that's what a web browser is for.
Imagine Amazon also having their own special web browser that you have to install on your computer to access Amazon and buy music. How ridiculous that would be.
@SteveDaSteve Also wait a moment "almost no users means you can lock people out"
so you are saying Nintendo should be allowed to destroy Gamecubes and Wiis and N64s and SNES and NES, and Wii Us consoles remotely because there are not millions of people playing on them. Sony should be allowed to do the same for PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4. They should simply tell them that the hardware is not supported, so it should be remotely disabled, otherwise Nintendo would recommend playing on "outdated consoles" and that's unsafe and irresponsible.
That's what you are saying.
Destroying perfectly fine hardware like Valve is doing is also insane regarding waste, because they are creating exactly that, toxic PC waste. For no reason.
Microsoft is also called out for that, because Windows 11 locks tons of hardware completely out - also for no reason, but Valve once again is for some reason immune, despite doing exactly the same.
@SteveDaSteve That's not a straw man. You see the screenshot, that's a fact. VALVE literally wrote "STEAM WILL STOP RUNNING IN WINDOWS 7 IN XX DAYS", which even was a countdown, further pushing and forcing people.
And you now claimed that it would work perfectly fine on Windows 7 (which is not true at all), which would mean that Valve lied, because Valve literally wrote *WILL STOP RUNNING IN X DAYS", not may stop working, will stop running.
"But Windows 7 isn't even supported by Microsoft anymore." What's that even supposed to mean? I can install all sorts of software on Windows 7, Windows XP machines, I even got a MS-DOS machine that is ages old. Is MS-DOS still supported by Microsoft? No? Then why can I still install software? Why can anyone still write software for it?
Why are games, updated games, still working fine on Windows 7? You are claiming that this wouldn't be possible. The dev I linked to literally says so. He says the only reason it doesn't work on Windows 7 is Valve and their DRM software. Is he lying too?
"It would be irresponsible for Steam to keep encouraging their users to use an out of date operating system that is vulnerable to malware." So now you try to turn it around and claim that their crappy DRM software not working anymore would be a good thing.
Then why is the Wii eShop still working on Wii? That's using an Opera browser from 2006 or 2007. Is that "safe"? Is it safe to play games on the Wii? And where is that malware? What malware? Is there no malware for Windows 10? Malware typically gets written for the OS that is commonly used. How does malware infect a system when you are playing a single player game (or multiplayer for that matter)? You do know that there are even still up-to-date web browsers for Windows 7? So you can be more secure on Windows 7 than on Windows 10.
And you are even deflecting and trying to get rid of the fact that software, which in most cases is not even online multiplayer, stops working for NO REASON on the hardware that it was written for, on which it was purchased for and gets broken and that this would be a good thing.
"almost no users means you can lock people and games out" How are you even figuring out the amount of users, when you break it in the first place? According to Steam most (new) users are Chinese, so I guess they should now drop English support then.
They will also lock Windows 10 users out, they don't care about any of it. Plus Steam pseudo-console users will get locked out too. And people will defend them.
@Darknyht They are 100% responsible FOR LOCKING PEOPLE OUT of hardware, that people purchased the game on, and on which the game runs perfectly fine.
They should be forced to either strip their DRM, or keep it working. One of the other. Right now THEY are destroying games. Funny that this aspect wasn't brought up by the weirdo with his "stop killing games" project.
But of course with customers like you, they have zero problems. They can do whatever they want. Even refunds only exists because of lawsuits, not because Valve likes you. (and GOG does refunds for 30 days lol)
If Nintendo did the same, people would scream, calling them names and whatever, but Valve gets free defending. It's really insane.
@SteveDaSteve So now you claim that Valve has been lying, and that is supposed to help defending a corporation?
In reality the Steam DRM client is all sorts of broken on Windows 7 and you can't get the latest version, which also means that all sorts of internal changes will break that older version completely, but all of that is irrelevant. Valve literally had and still have a big red banner telling everyone to purchase a new PC, or get lost and lose all of "your" games.
"you can still run your old games." Literally all Steam games require the Steam DRM client, you can't download them directly via browser. You can do that with GOG, because GOG is customer friendly. You don't need any software to do so except for a regular web browser, which you also need to access their store anyway. Plus tons of games require Steam online DRM, some others even more than that (which Valve even recommends btw). You are not allowed to PLAY most games without online verification and Valve doesn't even tell you which of the games they are renting out has their online DRM, and which do not, which is more anti-customer..
Valve is literally locking everyone out AND also breaking games in the process, because some games do not like Windows 10 or 11, these games are lost and Valve doesn't care.
No one is stopping Valve from making their crappy DRM continue to work, no one cares about their censorship heavy forums, there are way better places for actual discussions. You just need their DRM, but they don't care. They don't care about gaming, only what gets them more money for no work in return.
Meanwhile I can still grab a 40 year old IBM computer and a physical floppy disc and play 40 year old PC games without any problem whatsoever.
Thanks Valve, thanks for ruining PC gaming with online DRM.
@Serpenterror
No, on PC you got the Steam monopoly, and it's stored on Steam servers. In theory someone could sell games on their own, but that doesn't work.
Nintendo back during Wii HAD and still have their own infrastructure for their Wii eShop. Wii eShop still works fine.
What I was talking about is the Wii online multiplayer part.
Nintendo used a 3rd party library for multiplayer services, and 3rd party services, but these were commonly also used by PC games, which makes the whole argument (by others of course) totally bonkers. Nintendo back during Wii did the logical thing, but tons of PC developers also did.
But yes, you are totally right. Nowadays it's often Amazon infrastructure, with proprietary services+code, which has the exact same problems. If Amazon raises prices, they have a problem. If Amazon shuts down, they have a major problem.
Even if games would have been patchable on Wii, that wouldn't really have solved much, because the entire multiplayer portion would have needed a good rewrite.
Hobbyists were able to replicate those 3rd party services, Nintendo could have done the same, but of course doing so is a legal risk, no company will do such a thing, they don't want to get sued.
@Serpenterror Wii online went dark because of a 3rd party, not because of Nintendo. And funnily Nintendo is always blamed for "being behind" (which is untrue) or "not knowing what to do" (which is also untrue.
Fun fact, the Wii used a 3rd party, which was also COMMONLY USED by PC games. That 3rd party switching everything off made all sorts of PC games also go dark.
So if anyone says that they would not have known what to do during Wii days, then that someone is saying that tons of PC developers have no clue what they are doing.
@SteveDaSteve
You want a source that Valve throws people out of perfectly working hardware and locks games until you buy a new PC?
Are you for real?
They have done this multiple times already. https://x.com/TheBobPony/status/1741983322488684748
And spare me the "I would have bought a new PC anyway".
It's literally like Nintendo saying "nope, NES does not work anymore". It was Valve's idea to use invasive online DRM, which requires internet connection. It was Valve's idea to not even let one download "non-DRM" games directly via browser (see GOG). It was Valve's idea to install a 2nd copy of Google Chrome on people's PC. It was their idea to force people to have this open and wasting 1 GB RAM and also being a security risk. It's all on them, noone else.
And ripping indie developers off is a thing that they also do. They don't have to, but they don't care. The average income of an indie developer game is around $4000, not per month but overall, which is almost nothing. Taking a huge chunk away matters a lot for indie devs ($4000 vs $6000), and Valve themselves lower the chunk in case you make (them) much money, despite them not doing a thing for your game, ergo they take more from the small ones because the little ones have no choice.
@Windbreaker1612
If something is not available in a way that I want, I will simply not buy it.
Take for example Spyro Trilogy Remastered.
I wanted to play that, but the game is not on cart on Switch, so I simply didn't get it.
I also didn't get it on PS4, because I assumed the same. On PS4 there is a release which is fully on disc. That's what I got.
If that release wouldn't exist, I simply wouldn't have played it.
Same for Star Wars OG Trilogy.
Is that available on Blu-ray? Yes.
Is it the original unmodified (Han was the only one who shot) version? Nope.
So I avoided it. Simply as that.
If something is not available on DVD or Blu-ray, I will simply wait. I will never do any subscription BS. Never. I have my standards. I won't negotiate.
@Anachronism Actually Steam forces you to buy new hardware every few years, otherwise you lose literally everything.
That's something that no one on consoles has dared to do. And what's funny is that on PC for some weird reason it's totally fine.
Imagine Nintendo saying: buy Switch 2, we will remotely disable all your Switch 1s. The outrage would be insane, but on PC it's fine. Just call it "unsupported". Games lost? Who cares. Just buy another game. Why would you want to play that old game anyway.. etc.
@VinzClortho1981 I played Kickle Cubicle as a child. Loved it so much. Was so sad that it never made it to the Wii Virtual Console. Looked into it and it wasn't surprising, legal hell.
Such a shame that it's only available as an NES cart.
@FantasiaWHT
Ownership is foolish?
Why?
Is buying a house also foolish?
Also no, it's not, only when you manipulate the statistics and also compare apple and oranges.
Otherwise Limited Run Games would not in business anymore.
>inevitable
it's inevitable that Sony won't get my money anymore.
too many people rejecting this potential future and the potential wef-style future goes poof.
Remember Sony's other plans for their future? 10+ live service games? That was also inevitable, in this case studio closures. Next up: Sony going bye bye.
@Windbreaker1612 Not complying is a choice. So you playing old games is actually the choice and it's a good choice. Nothing is too big to fail. Not enough people complying (see game key cards failure) will create change.
@Yosher Nintendo wasn't stupid and didn't chase the Fortnite trillions. Everyone else was really stupid. Pro-Tip: Fortnite already exists. You will not get that player base, because they already have Fortnite.
@Sindayl
If Nintendo drops physical, Nintendo is going to be dead in Japan and they surely do not want that.
Sony does not care about Japan.
And Microsoft has no clue about Japan.
@SuperEndriu
And it's not even about deletion.
It's also about modifications.
For example you rented Aliens from a digital download store.
Great, now they "upgraded" your copy to 4k, which is an AI-ridden crapshoot.
Can't watch the original 1080p copy anymore.
But with physical you can.
They can also remove certain things, or add things, and you also can't do anything about that.
There is a game on Switch and they had a voice actor, which they removed because of political reasons.
With physical cart, I can still play the game as it was released.
With digital I can't.
Or another example, Dumb and Dumber. Great movie. On blu-ray only available in a horrible Director's Cut. But I can still watch it on DVD in its original release.
Take for example the Steam store. It's all DRM infested. And Valve censors games all the time, just because they do not like them, not because of legal reasons. Just removes them from the store. And sure, you may still be allowed (oh thank god /sarcasm) to download them, but the developer won't be able to update them anymore and also has no reason to, because it can't be sold anymore, and thus they are stuck. If there is a bug with a future version of Windows, tough luck. And Valve forces you onto "newer hardware" anyway, and thus the game will be gone.
Heck, Nintendo themselves do not allow some Japanese Switch games in the west because of activists at Nintendo, which is also ridiculous. But at least with physical I can import them easily and play them.
@NerdyPaul That's incorrect. I own all my physical PC games, all my physical Gamecube, PS2, PS3, PS4 and Switch games. I can do whatever I want with them. I can give them to a friend for a while, I can sell them, I dont need permission from Nintendo to do what I want. The only thing I'm not allowed is to make copies, which duh makes sense. I also never sined any contract, and even if I had, it would be way after the purchase, and thus such a contract would be null and void anyway. With physical products the company behind it could even write a contract that you signed at the time of purchase, and it would still be null and void because first sale doctrine applies.
But first sale doctrine does not apply to digital downloads. Only to physical goods.
Let's look at NES classics. There's a game called Kickle Cubicle. You can play it on NES just by buying an old NES cart. But look at the legal situation, it's in limbo, in legal hell. If it was a digital download, you wouldn't even be able to purchase it anymore,and thus no way to play it.
@eldersnake You should think about storage costsl. With carts/discs, that is already included. Otherwise you have to buy very very overpriced storage and the Switch 2 requires very expensive SD cards, which is just insane, even for games that do not need that (which is most).
I own probably 300 or 400 Switch games, 99% of them on physical cart. If I had gotten them through download, there would be no way to have them all on one system at once. I would have to delete and re-download all the time, and I would have spent a fortune on storage already.
If Nintendo wouldn't have done such a terrible job, there would be no "patches" for Switch 2.
I remember perfect backward compatibility on Wii U regarding Wii games, digital physical, all of them worked properly (minus 1 game that used a special controller, which used the Gamecube ports, but that's obvious)
DS games also worked perfectly on the 3DS.
They all worked without problems, without anyone patch patch patching anything (and ruining physical releases in the process).
And what's even more ridiculous is that Switch users still have to download these too. Why?
Why am I wasting my disc space with useless patches?
Oh, or look at Playstation,which is totally insane.
Their store on PS3+PS4 basically looks the same, but PS3 games are stripped away, and are only available on PS3.
They are gone from the PS4 web store, which is basically a website as well.
They are gone from the PSN website store as well.
Why?
Sony got a PSN website store, and originally it had PS3 games.
Why are they gone?
What's the technical reason for that?
Is it more expensive to also have PS3 games on their webstore?
There is none, Sony simply wants them gone, that is all.
And on PS3 the store is basically falling apart, also downloads on PS3 are a nightmare. Back then the PSN website allowed sending downloads from there to the PS3. That was also stripped away. So right now you need to download games the most complicated way on PS3, and select everything indnvidually one by one.
Doesn't sound that bad, but then you have to consider they gave away Uncharted 2+3 multiplayer for free in the end including all DLC, and every DLC is one download. And it's like 500 or 1000 DLCs. So if you want to download that all, you have to do that all manually on a PS3 right now.
With that website, you could queue up 20 or 30 items to download and it wasn't superb, but way better than now.
In comparision to that the Wii U was such a well designed machine, because what does it do if you have a fresh user connected/move to another machine? That's right, it automatically downloads everything that you had purchased. No need to manually select anything for hours.
Switch is a similar downgrade compared to that, and I know because I replaced my OG Switch with an OLED Switch. It took me DAYS to download, DAYS to download all the patches. For Wii U you can even re-use the same harddrive, no need to redownload anything if you got the harddrive. Just connect the harddrive and the machine can use the content.
Switch can't do that. Requires redownloading everything. Can't even tell it to take everything this other Switch has, nope, you also have to select everything individually one by one.
@jsty3105
"about how you envision managing the different categories of digital data for Nintendo's games as they span different hardware generations."
Maybe look into how HTTP works. You know the protocol that is used by all websites, and all websites have different content on it, and it still somewhat works.
Every graphic on here is a digital file.
All games are are digital files.
And there you go.
Just imagine this website not having graphics everywhere, but every graphic is a game file.
That's already how these stores work, but they just for some reason have to create new stores every generation, and close the old ones down, which makes absolutely no sense.
For example the Wii eShop is basically a website too.
That's how these content delivery platforms work.
But you don't even have to have the exact same delivery for every platform, that's not the point.
The point is simply keeping all digital games available on one website store, up for everyone to purchase.
Amazon even does that for 3rd party sellers.
Nintendo can easily do that for all digital games.
And even atm they have redownloads still up, which means all that is missing is a way to purchase the games, which makes the whole situation even more ridiculous.
Take Steam for example. That's a crappy store as well, and locks people out just because they can, which is even worse compared to what Nintendo is doing.
There is no one stopping Valve from creating a small light weight DRM client, so that "old platforms" can still work fine.
But instead they lock people out. Worse yet, there are countless of games that do not work on Windows 10 or 11, which means they effectively destroy these games, make them unplayable and force you to comply.
They make trillions by ripping indies off and for doing nothing at all in return, and can't be bothered to do that as well.
No, they effectively let you download another outdated version of the Google Chrome web browser and called it a day.
Until that is legally required, digital download games are a big no no for me, because on PC I can also still keep on playing my physical PC games that are 30 or 40 years old. Heck, you can still play games on floppy discs, that were made 45 years ago, you just need the hardware that is all.
@CheapMerc Correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I know only a leaker claims that a disc would get released in December, that's not Rockstar talking.
And for that matter they could have gone the CoD route, disc but with mandatory updates.
In any case, it's obvious that Rockstar doesn't give a sh*t they never properly released their messed up GTA trilogy.
@MS7000 I would replace that copy with a proper one, because the proper one will actually be worth something when Sony shuts down the servers. Most people don't know about this.
I wanted to play Spyro, figured that the Switch release was a scam and avoided it. I also avoided the PS4 release for the same reason until I found out that this special release exists. Was a pain to track down, but ebay helps out because most people take photos of the items they are selling and you just need to watch out of (c) 2019 Activison on the backcover, that's the reprint which has everything on disc. The US reprint is special and only has that on the disc itself, not on the cover. There is no way to check an unopened American copy, but European copies also got that small change on the backcover.
In fact all covers state that download would be required. I guess Activison still had stock left and didn't want to ruin that by removing that statement.
@jsty3105 "but that doesn't count" Called it It does count. It's Nintendo games that you can't play anymore, thanks to digital downloads. And what's funny is that tons of Playstation and Xbox users claiming that they were the first being "online" are all lying. Nintendo did it first, fun fact.
Anyway, Nintendo themselves already stated that they will shut down redownloads for Wii. You would have a point if they stated that they would keep redownloads up forever, but they don't. They explicitly stated the opposite of that, which is the whole argument against trash downloads.
And also fun fact: they could have easily built infrastructure that works onwards for all digital games, but they also didn't do that. Wii U digital library -> gone. 3DS digital library -> gone. Wii digital library -> gone
Nintendo a a very rich company. They could do that easily. There is also not much to it. You simply need a website for all the digital games, no need to even do it on the hardware itself. But the hardware asks the store and downloads digital data, that's it. They could do that, but they don't. Instead they shut old hardware off so to speak.
At least for now they don't pull a Valve, where they literally make older systems unusable and literally nothing works on them anymore even games that were already downloaded (thanks to invasive online DRM), but instead for now stop purchases, which doesn't even make sense, when they keep downloads going.
That's the situation. Downloads would still be no good in case they were legally required to keep everything up and/or design it properly, but it would be a start.
@MS7000
Correct.
There is all sorts of false information on the internet.
For example the Playstation 4 release of Spyro Trilogy actually has all games on disc, no patches needed, but only a certain release, which you can't identify easily. If I remember correctly there may not even be a patch for this version at all. It's funny because for that release the cover still says "download required" although that's not true at all.
The regular PS4 release, just like the Switch pseudo-physical release do not have all 3 games on cart/disc.
The Switch release of Spyro is especially evil, because it only has the FIRST WORLD of the games on cart, everything else is a download and that's basically a physical scam release. So the release pretends to be fully on cart (why would they put the first world on cart?), but it's only a very small part of the games.
I think nothing is too big to fail. Problem here is just the consumer, who may accept that because of hype.
It's already ridiculous that they open pre-orders for a digital only release now. Why? Will the bits be limited? Who pre-orders a digital download? That's just silly.
It would be funny if GTA 6 got "activist'd", because now people wouldn't be able to sell the used copy.
With enough pain, I think customers would change their behavior, and then Take Two would be in big doodoo.
@Hatori It makes sense. With a game key, you have to have the cart. If you lose the worthless cart, the digital download is gone. With a code, you have at least the game connected to your account and can't lose it.
The absolutely worst way is Final Fantasy X / X-II in the west. In Japan both games are on cart, and the game keeps a high price. In the west, X-II is a digital download code (one use), but on top of that it requires the physical cart. So in that case, you can't even sell the physical cart with X on it, because you would lose X-II access. And you can't sell X-II, because it a one time code. I'm glad that this release flopped in the west, same for game keys flopping.
@jsty3105 Never happened on Nintendo consoles? Please show me how I get legal access to my N64 SatellaView games, which were offered FOR DOWNLOAD back then when you had a SatellaView subscription. I'm sure that SatellaView for some reason doesn't count.
Also tons of other games can not be purchased anymore, aka they ceased to exist thanks to digital downloads. Where can I legally purchase Meme Run for the Wii U? With physical releases you always have the aftermarket. Sometimes it's insanely expensive, but at least I can purchase it if I want to.
Others especially LIKE GTA games had content, which was removed for digital downloads. Like GTA Vice City Michael Jackson music. Can only get that on physical media.
@Dman10
"30 years"
you don't control that. I don't control that.
Nintendo has full control and that's the point.
The problem is NOT OWNING games anymore.
And according to EULA, you have zero rights, they CAN and WILL switch it off whenever they feel like it.
And for Wii they explicitly said that they WILL switch redownloads off.
In fact Sony has already done so with some platforms.
So the question is not if, but only when. And when is when they feel like it.
Zero control is unacceptable.
I want ownership.
They want my money.
They don't give me what I want, and I keep my money.
Simple as.
Also fun fact: I just imported Merry Bunny Garden, a Japanese exclusive that Nintendo activists have stopped from getting a western release. I can do that because there is ownership involved with physical carts. Without these, these activists can just turn it all off.
@UltimateOtaku91 It only has resale value to chumps that would buy the rental. And that's what it is. A rental. Nintendo can switch it off at any time and it's also 100% worthless.
This here is of course unacceptable, same for game keys. simply don't buy it. When enough do that, companies will be forced to fix it, and quite a few companies already "get it" and don't release game keys.
@eldersnake Yeah, I thought Double Fine was independent. Why the f*** would they agree to get bought by Microsoft? Of course I also never understood why Double Fine didn't port classic adventures over to Switch, like Day of the Tentacle or Full Throttle or Monkey Island series. That never made sense to me, especially because their earlier games are actually on Switch.
@JetmanUK
I wish Nintendo would reimplement the feature that marked purchased games as purchased for all accounts. That wasn't perfect, because for give-aways you want and had to get games on other accounts, doing that was still possible anyway.
For some years now purchased games can be re-purchased by other accounts. You are not even warned about it. Just silly.
At the same time Videogames+, that great Canadian video game store, implemented exactly such a feature recently. You can now see if you purchased a game previously already. People with a huge collection of games love that.
Better yet: why not just use the system language for all stores including the Japanese one. Most games are literally the same games, the exact same releases, Nintendo could easily show the English names for these games, but they don't. That would make navigating these stores a lot easier. And of course the opposite should also be done, Japanese players should see Japanese game titles and menus for non-Japanese stores. It would be so trivial, at least for the menus.
@NintendoBlows "Theure doing everything in their power to make sure you don't own anything they are pretty much just renting ypu a system and games."
False, that's what Valve has been doing and PC players have slurped it all up. Nintendo is still selling physical games for physical ownership.
Nintendo fans on the other hand reject game keys, which is a very good thing. PC players should have done that 20 years ago regarding Valve. Nowadays they actually don't own anything and are in fact even fine with Valve remote disabling their perfectly working systems, which is absolutely ridiculous.
Imagine Nintendo switching off all Switch Ones and forcing everyone to buy a Switch Two to continue playing. That's what Valve is doing and everyone on PC using that crap is fine with it. "Switch eShop will stop working on Switch 1, just buy a Switch 2". Imagine Nintendo actually doing that. But when it's on PC and Valve doing that, it's fine.
@Metazoxan
I'm still not buying a Switch 2.
I may consider it when they stop with the key card BS. Fix their backward compatibility. Fix the controller. Fix the screen. And fix the prices (hardware+games). Fix the silly expensive SD card stuff even for games that do not need it. I'm not paying 400 bucks for a SD card.
Unless they do, I will buy and play on other platforms.
I don't need the latest stuff anyway.
@spiderman0616
"Honestly, I think it’s more useful in gaming."
AI doesn't work. And it's not intelligent either. It's computer algos. It's nothing new. it's chatbots with internet search engine built in. Buggy chatbots with broken internet search, that recommends you to eat poisonous mushrooms.
But let's imagine it works. Great, now everyone is out of their job and can't afford anything anymore. Sounds great.
AI is a bubble anyway. They even admit themselves that they spent so much money on it, they will never make it back.
And when that bubble bursts, the whole current money system will go with it. Think 1000x 2008.
@FaroreAbhorsen "Yeah, one day maybe having graphics better than Horizon: Forbidden West, or Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart, or FF7Rebirth will be... nice"
It's not, it's really not. Watch the Iwata video from 20 years ago. He spoke what game developers think. Also better looking graphics = less content and worse gameplay and also no/less risks that are taken.
Think back at PS2 days, sure it was 480p or 480i, but who cares. At least there were so many games that were creative and unique, because taking a risk wasn't a 100 million gamble.
Nowadays that's what indie games get you. BUT INDIES DON'T NEED 4k screens. They don't have the budget for that. The AAA industry is killing itself thanks to these stupid hardware decisions.
For example PS2 had a game where you played a Mosquito. In fact it had 2 of them, one was Japan exclusive if I remember correctly.
Also way worse battery life. Back then gameboy won because of the better hardware, not because of "colors" "high resolution" or whatever. No, a few batteries lasted 80-100 hours or more. That's what matters for a handheld. And Wii also won because of it's unique gameplay and new ways to pla games. Now it's just "look at these shiny graphics" and that's it. I call that boring. But everyone does that.
@Nalverus
Especially because it doesn't support physical games, only digital downloads with invasive online DRM, which even locks you out of perfectly fine hardware.
Imagine Nintendo locking people out of Switch 1 saying that it's not suppoted anymore, and forcing everyone to buy a Switch 2. That's what Valve is literally doing.
Also it's "you won't own anything". Thank you, but no thank you.
Worse yet, it's not even Windows on the thing, but a Windows emulator, that doesn't work properly. So it's beta test games for us for free / paying us a fortune. Granted, Nintendo sucks with their Switch 1 emulation as well. Imagine having to download patches for DS games so that they work on the 3DS.
@Chocobo_Shepherd In fact before the Switch I bought Nintendo games day 1. I stopped doing that when even Nintendo started with the day 1 BS. At least there is a website that tests if a physical release is actually playable and works, and most of them still are. www.doesitplay.org
@Protion9 Who can blame them when tons of gamers accept it in the first place? Nowadays it's patch patch patch patch and "Oh, that'll do".
Look at Metal Gear Solid 2 on the Switch. That one ran at rock solid 60 fps on the PS2, which is way way way weaker than the Switch. And on Switch it's 30 fps. And the physical release is a joke. Still it sells. And that's all that matters in the end.
@Kerrsguy
A movie "game" is a "game" that prioritizes cinematic presentation over gameplay aka throws away tons of money for presentation and doesn't care about the gameplay, in fact reduces the game to a minimum, because it needs to sell 10 trillion copies because of the insane inflated budget.
Think of Super Mario Bros, but the opposite of that.
Just strip the shiny graphics away and see what you have left.
For AAA "games" there is often not that much left if anything at all.
For example:
Core Tomb Raider 2 (actual game) vs Tomb Raider 2013 (a "game") https://imgur.com/a/0oGP1A3
Sure, it looks shiny, but there is nothing under the hood.
For one of the few exceptions see Zelda Breath of the Wild. That's AAA budget, but uses it for gameplay and not for presentation BS. It still looks nice though. For a negative example see Red Dead Redemption 2. Very shiny but nothing under the hood either. Everything is fully scripted. In Breath of the Wild you ACTUALLY build a camp, you ACTUALLY make fire using wood. In Red Dead Redemption 2 you press X to camp, which is ridiculous. And you can't even camp everywhere.
In Breath of the Wild I can climb basically everything including trees. The world feels alive because of that. In RDR2 you can't do anything like that. The world feels like a sterile movie set. Worse yet they couldn't even be bothered to make the people you are around with react to the things you do in the game world. Be evil af and no one actually cares. Sterile movie set. But it looks pretty.
You can see the same with movies. There are tons of low budget movies that are great and creative. As soon as the budget climbs, creativity typically drops.
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Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@SteveDaSteve
"determined by the permissions of the software you are using"
Where do I set these special permissions per software on Windows?
"However, you need a means to show that prompt."
Any software can show that prompt by simply officially requesting admin privileges.
The prompt exists so that the user notices what's going on, but the average Steam user will click "agree", because he's used to it.
In fact with regular user permissions, one can also modify existing shortcuts and also enable "run as admin".
All that's left is the Steam user clicking "agree", and he will, because just like you claimed "malware exists only on Windows 7 and is super insecure", therefore clicking on "agree" makes sense.
"Some malware will only work on older operating systems, because it has been patched in new versions."
What has been patched?
You understand what malware is?
For example a software that encrypts all of your user files and demands money for decryption.
What do you patch to avoid that kind of software?
All the software is doing is reading files and writing files, it's not hacking anything. There is no vulnerability involved.
And thus it can and will run everywhere and even does its job without admin privileges.
"It depends on the vulnerability."
So you don't even understand what malware is.
Malware is also Spyware, like Google Chrome (which Valve is installing on your system without telling you), which spies on the user. Also no vulnerability involved and nothing get patched either.
By the definition Steam itself is spyware, because it spies on the user and transmits personal data like for example how long a certain software has been running to Valve. That's called spyware. But what it's doing is normal software stuff, it doesn't hack your computer. It doesn't use vulnerabilities. And you started it by yourself anyway.
"They wouldn't do that intentionally, because that would significantly ruin their reputation."
Reminder that Steam allows anyone to publish software on Steam, You just need to pay them $100 or something.
It will take months for anyone to notice, and then you simply create another developer account and repeat.
"NO ONE WOULD DO SUCH A THING"
then what was this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/1thmiau/valve_removes_free_horror_game_from_steam_after/
Valve removes free horror game from Steam after players discover it contains malware that steals your data
Oops
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@VoidofLight
Don't forget what supermarkets are going for now and something that Valve has been doing for years now:
Region-specific / user-specific pricing
You can make user-specific pricing go through the whole purchase history, social media, etc. to figure out how much income someone has and then charge accordingly.
According to Steam fans that's great, because everyone in for example Europe is super rich, and thus deserves high prices.
Able to afford to travel to foreign lands? That's $150 for GTA 6.
"it's only fair"
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@SteveDaSteve
"other vulnerabilites"
If they can remotely execute code, they can do literally everything the user does. They don't need additional vulnerabilites.
Show 99% of Steam users an admin request dialog and they will click "agree", because "da game needs it, want to play now"
Bam now full control in any case.
If they can do that, you already lost.
And again: with Steam they do not even have to do that. They can simply push malware inside a game and people will even spend money to get hacked, which is quite ironic.
Or push a "user fix" exe out and get people that way, because people also blindly open that, and of course Valve pushes such links by breaking software left + right.
And you think malware would only work on Windows 7, but not on 10.
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@Joekun
"The future of gaming is the arcade model. With your credit card on file you’ll stream the latest and greatest games and be charged per play. Or better yet, per minute! "
Yes, nailed it.
Of course you paid to play in an arcade, but you didn't own the arcade machines, didn't pay explicitly for electricity, the room wasn't yours.
But now you pay for everything and then some, plus per minute streaming.
In a way I wish that Valve would pull all of that.
They can, Steam users agreed to it.
Most PC users would deserve it, because that would be the way to finally destroy stealing of games.
And I'm sure they would defend Valve once more.
"Thanks Valve, that saves me from downloading 400 GBs"
"Wow, you see no more daily patching of games"
Create a problem
Offer the anti-customer solution
Customer applaud
Like pottery
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@progx
"It is in the purchasing agreement that your CD, DVD, BR and UHD are property of the labels/studios."
Not valid, also didn't sign anything before purchase and thus illegal.
They can write whatever they want into EULAs or on the cover.
Unless it's a contract that I signed before purchase it's null and void.
And you can't stop first sale doctrine anyway.
CDs, DVDs, Blu-rays, etc. are all yours.
It's not the property of anyone, but the one who purchased them. It's not a license. It's one copy of a work of art. Nothing more, but also nothing less.
And there is also no way for any corporation like Valve to take these away from you, because there is no internet lockout built into it. Exactly.
With digital, they can legally pull all of these scams, because you agreed to all of it in advance and there is also no physical product being protected by first sale doctrine.
Valve:
"and now I redefine the word 'purchase' to mean 'renting'"
and the word ownership to mean "being a slave to Valve, yes master Valve I will do whatever you want me to do"
Reminder to myself: lawyers, yuck
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@SteveDaSteve
"The vulnerabilities of a game's multiplayer can expose the vulnerabilities of the OS. It's like wearing two sets of armor:"
No, that makes no sense.
A game is not armor, at best it has no vulnerabilites, but if it has, an attacker can do everything the user can. The OS can not differentiate between that code and regular game code.
And if a game has a vulnerability, then that vulnerability is present everywhere, it won't matter if you play it on Windows 7 or Windows 10. Your security is broken at that point regardless.
Hilariously Steam users often download random EXEs off the internet to fix game issues caused by Valve.
Have you thought about how stupid this is?
In such a random EXE literally anything can be included, you don't even need a vulnerability, Valve and their bad practices push for this, because they break games and then tell the users to fix it themselves, because they can't be bothered.
In fact any game on Steam can include malicious code, you do not even need to get hacked via a vulnerability. You may pay Valve to get hacked.. Any of the mandatory enforced game updates may include malicious code. There is no one actually protecting you.
" it just takes a little more effort."
Buying a new PC, downloading games onto there and then copying them over and fiddling around to somewhat make it sort of work sometimes and then also stripping DRM is not "a little more effort" nor is it worth any money.
That's the insanity on Steam.
Valve breaks it.
Can't critize Valve.
Must fix it yourself.
Just waste your time and pay them 30% for taking games hostage.
Download random EXE off the internet and run it. Requires admin? No problem, must be the game. It's super safe, because I got the link on Steam.
But you are insecure if you don't use Windows 11!
Thanks Valve.
I got better things to do, like playing games. I will just give someone else money that will not lock me out of my hardware. Simple as.
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@Ducklizard
"people like me who collect and treasure the media they enjoy matter less than the people who consume and dispose of their entertainment with equal indifference."
The problem is that we are a minority, but an important minority.
The average Wii owner bought around 10 games in total.
The average PS3 owner bought a bit more but it's around the same total.
Imagine that. I own possibly 200+ PS3 games. I own hundreds of PS4 games, even way more Switch games. And almost all Wii U games, tons of Wii games etc.
We matter, because we are like 100 average little customers combined in one. That's why companies like LRG flourished.
I was so happy when they released a few indie games for Wii U on disc, and that's also what I love about Switch.
**And the average customer probably simply has to experience tons of pain to start thinking and realizing that they don't know wtf they are doing.**
You see people like Iwata understood that keeping their best customers happy is a very important thing. That's why he "wasted" money on Wii U for games that made zero sense financially, but he did it anyway.
The new Nintendo doesn't really care about that. They downgraded Breath of the Wild even, removed all Wii U functionality because Switch couldn't handle it. Released downgraded ports for full price.
I mean do you remember when Iwata gave away Metroid Prime Trilogy digitally for $10? And that was the release date price. That was insanely cheap and nice of him.
New Nintendo wouldn't do that. New Nintendo doesnt care about long term. I miss Iwata.
Their Wii U customers were probably their best customers. And what did they do? They handled them like crap.
IOn Wii U there even was cross-platform purchases. Developers were able to decide how a game should spread across.
There was at least one game that was even granted to every user on the Wii U regarding their 3DSs. This means 1 game bought on Wii U was granted to multiple 3DS users. Can't see that happening again.
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@SteveDaSteve
Of course you did. I showed you that Valve literally wrote "will stop working" and you claimed that Steam DRM client would still work perfectly on Windows 7, which by itself is not accurate.
But if it would have been, that would in fact imply that Valve lied.
And in a way they did.
"In a single player game, very unlikely. In a multiplayer game, it depends on what security loopholes exist in the game's network code."
How would the OS affect the vulnerabilities of a game's multiplayer?
"There are many more ways you can get hacked than just with a web browser."
How are people getting hacked?
Do they connect their PC directly to the internet w/ open ports? Nope.
"The fact is that there are reasons these games stopped working. Like you quoted earlier, that game stopped working after updating because Steam updated their encryption. Is it a good thing they broke? I mean, in a way sure, if it encourages people to take their security more seriously"
It seems you do not even understand the problem.
Games do not stop working because Steam updated encryption.
They can not be downloaded anymore, and that's not safety, people are simply getting locked out, that is all and it has nothing to do with computer security.
And just buying a new PC is doing nothing regarding security.
Not installing Steam, which is literally another outdated copy of Google Chrome, would enhance security, because it is an outdated version.
I remember there being severe Google Chromie security issues and Steam wasn't updated for weeks if not months, despite it literally being a web browser. That's in fact a very very bad thing.
In Windows you could simply use the system's web browser and embed this into your DRM client. Valve could have done that, but they don't actually care about security.
Would also save on RAM.
Better yet - just call the system's web browser and do all the website specific things in there, that's what a web browser is for.
Imagine Amazon also having their own special web browser that you have to install on your computer to access Amazon and buy music. How ridiculous that would be.
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@SteveDaSteve
Also wait a moment
"almost no users means you can lock people out"
so you are saying Nintendo should be allowed to destroy Gamecubes and Wiis and N64s and SNES and NES, and Wii Us consoles remotely because there are not millions of people playing on them.
Sony should be allowed to do the same for PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4.
They should simply tell them that the hardware is not supported, so it should be remotely disabled, otherwise Nintendo would recommend playing on "outdated consoles" and that's unsafe and irresponsible.
That's what you are saying.
Destroying perfectly fine hardware like Valve is doing is also insane regarding waste, because they are creating exactly that, toxic PC waste. For no reason.
Microsoft is also called out for that, because Windows 11 locks tons of hardware completely out - also for no reason, but Valve once again is for some reason immune, despite doing exactly the same.
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@SteveDaSteve
That's not a straw man.
You see the screenshot, that's a fact.
VALVE literally wrote "STEAM WILL STOP RUNNING IN WINDOWS 7 IN XX DAYS", which even was a countdown, further pushing and forcing people.
And you now claimed that it would work perfectly fine on Windows 7 (which is not true at all), which would mean that Valve lied, because Valve literally wrote *WILL STOP RUNNING IN X DAYS", not may stop working, will stop running.
"But Windows 7 isn't even supported by Microsoft anymore."
What's that even supposed to mean?
I can install all sorts of software on Windows 7, Windows XP machines, I even got a MS-DOS machine that is ages old. Is MS-DOS still supported by Microsoft? No? Then why can I still install software? Why can anyone still write software for it?
Why are games, updated games, still working fine on Windows 7? You are claiming that this wouldn't be possible. The dev I linked to literally says so. He says the only reason it doesn't work on Windows 7 is Valve and their DRM software. Is he lying too?
"It would be irresponsible for Steam to keep encouraging their users to use an out of date operating system that is vulnerable to malware."
So now you try to turn it around and claim that their crappy DRM software not working anymore would be a good thing.
Then why is the Wii eShop still working on Wii?
That's using an Opera browser from 2006 or 2007.
Is that "safe"?
Is it safe to play games on the Wii?
And where is that malware?
What malware?
Is there no malware for Windows 10?
Malware typically gets written for the OS that is commonly used.
How does malware infect a system when you are playing a single player game (or multiplayer for that matter)?
You do know that there are even still up-to-date web browsers for Windows 7? So you can be more secure on Windows 7 than on Windows 10.
And you are even deflecting and trying to get rid of the fact that software, which in most cases is not even online multiplayer, stops working for NO REASON on the hardware that it was written for, on which it was purchased for and gets broken and that this would be a good thing.
"almost no users means you can lock people and games out"
How are you even figuring out the amount of users, when you break it in the first place?
According to Steam most (new) users are Chinese, so I guess they should now drop English support then.
They will also lock Windows 10 users out, they don't care about any of it. Plus Steam pseudo-console users will get locked out too. And people will defend them.
Imagine Nintendo or Sony doing half of it.
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@Darknyht
They are 100% responsible FOR LOCKING PEOPLE OUT of hardware, that people purchased the game on, and on which the game runs perfectly fine.
They should be forced to either strip their DRM, or keep it working. One of the other.
Right now THEY are destroying games. Funny that this aspect wasn't brought up by the weirdo with his "stop killing games" project.
But of course with customers like you, they have zero problems. They can do whatever they want. Even refunds only exists because of lawsuits, not because Valve likes you. (and GOG does refunds for 30 days lol)
If Nintendo did the same, people would scream, calling them names and whatever, but Valve gets free defending. It's really insane.
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@SteveDaSteve
"you can still run your old games"
Seems that's actually a lie.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1592280/discussions/0/596280093104423261/
Mid 2025 - Quote: "Steam encryption has changed. Windows 7 is no longer compatible with the new encryption. Most games that are now updated will move to the new encryption."
That dev even says that the game runs perfectly fine on Windows 7.
Thanks online DRM of the future.
Why anyone supports these *** is beyond me.
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@SteveDaSteve
So now you claim that Valve has been lying, and that is supposed to help defending a corporation?
In reality the Steam DRM client is all sorts of broken on Windows 7 and you can't get the latest version, which also means that all sorts of internal changes will break that older version completely, but all of that is irrelevant.
Valve literally had and still have a big red banner telling everyone to purchase a new PC, or get lost and lose all of "your" games.
"you can still run your old games."
Literally all Steam games require the Steam DRM client, you can't download them directly via browser. You can do that with GOG, because GOG is customer friendly. You don't need any software to do so except for a regular web browser, which you also need to access their store anyway. Plus tons of games require Steam online DRM, some others even more than that (which Valve even recommends btw). You are not allowed to PLAY most games without online verification and Valve doesn't even tell you which of the games they are renting out has their online DRM, and which do not, which is more anti-customer..
Valve is literally locking everyone out AND also breaking games in the process, because some games do not like Windows 10 or 11, these games are lost and Valve doesn't care.
No one is stopping Valve from making their crappy DRM continue to work, no one cares about their censorship heavy forums, there are way better places for actual discussions. You just need their DRM, but they don't care. They don't care about gaming, only what gets them more money for no work in return.
Meanwhile I can still grab a 40 year old IBM computer and a physical floppy disc and play 40 year old PC games without any problem whatsoever.
Thanks Valve, thanks for ruining PC gaming with online DRM.
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@Serpenterror
No, on PC you got the Steam monopoly, and it's stored on Steam servers. In theory someone could sell games on their own, but that doesn't work.
Nintendo back during Wii HAD and still have their own infrastructure for their Wii eShop. Wii eShop still works fine.
What I was talking about is the Wii online multiplayer part.
Nintendo used a 3rd party library for multiplayer services, and 3rd party services, but these were commonly also used by PC games, which makes the whole argument (by others of course) totally bonkers. Nintendo back during Wii did the logical thing, but tons of PC developers also did.
But yes, you are totally right. Nowadays it's often Amazon infrastructure, with proprietary services+code, which has the exact same problems. If Amazon raises prices, they have a problem. If Amazon shuts down, they have a major problem.
Even if games would have been patchable on Wii, that wouldn't really have solved much, because the entire multiplayer portion would have needed a good rewrite.
Hobbyists were able to replicate those 3rd party services, Nintendo could have done the same, but of course doing so is a legal risk, no company will do such a thing, they don't want to get sued.
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@Serpenterror
Wii online went dark because of a 3rd party, not because of Nintendo.
And funnily Nintendo is always blamed for "being behind" (which is untrue) or "not knowing what to do" (which is also untrue.
Fun fact, the Wii used a 3rd party, which was also COMMONLY USED by PC games. That 3rd party switching everything off made all sorts of PC games also go dark.
So if anyone says that they would not have known what to do during Wii days, then that someone is saying that tons of PC developers have no clue what they are doing.
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@SteveDaSteve
You want a source that Valve throws people out of perfectly working hardware and locks games until you buy a new PC?
Are you for real?
They have done this multiple times already.
https://x.com/TheBobPony/status/1741983322488684748
And spare me the "I would have bought a new PC anyway".
It's literally like Nintendo saying "nope, NES does not work anymore". It was Valve's idea to use invasive online DRM, which requires internet connection. It was Valve's idea to not even let one download "non-DRM" games directly via browser (see GOG). It was Valve's idea to install a 2nd copy of Google Chrome on people's PC. It was their idea to force people to have this open and wasting 1 GB RAM and also being a security risk. It's all on them, noone else.
And ripping indie developers off is a thing that they also do. They don't have to, but they don't care. The average income of an indie developer game is around $4000, not per month but overall, which is almost nothing. Taking a huge chunk away matters a lot for indie devs ($4000 vs $6000), and Valve themselves lower the chunk in case you make (them) much money, despite them not doing a thing for your game, ergo they take more from the small ones because the little ones have no choice.
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@Windbreaker1612
If something is not available in a way that I want, I will simply not buy it.
Take for example Spyro Trilogy Remastered.
I wanted to play that, but the game is not on cart on Switch, so I simply didn't get it.
I also didn't get it on PS4, because I assumed the same. On PS4 there is a release which is fully on disc. That's what I got.
If that release wouldn't exist, I simply wouldn't have played it.
Same for Star Wars OG Trilogy.
Is that available on Blu-ray? Yes.
Is it the original unmodified (Han was the only one who shot) version? Nope.
So I avoided it. Simply as that.
If something is not available on DVD or Blu-ray, I will simply wait. I will never do any subscription BS. Never. I have my standards. I won't negotiate.
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@Anachronism
Actually Steam forces you to buy new hardware every few years, otherwise you lose literally everything.
That's something that no one on consoles has dared to do.
And what's funny is that on PC for some weird reason it's totally fine.
Imagine Nintendo saying: buy Switch 2, we will remotely disable all your Switch 1s. The outrage would be insane, but on PC it's fine. Just call it "unsupported". Games lost? Who cares. Just buy another game. Why would you want to play that old game anyway.. etc.
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@VinzClortho1981
I played Kickle Cubicle as a child. Loved it so much.
Was so sad that it never made it to the Wii Virtual Console.
Looked into it and it wasn't surprising, legal hell.
Such a shame that it's only available as an NES cart.
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@FantasiaWHT
Ownership is foolish?
Why?
Is buying a house also foolish?
Also no, it's not, only when you manipulate the statistics and also compare apple and oranges.
Otherwise Limited Run Games would not in business anymore.
>inevitable
it's inevitable that Sony won't get my money anymore.
too many people rejecting this potential future and the potential wef-style future goes poof.
Remember Sony's other plans for their future? 10+ live service games? That was also inevitable, in this case studio closures. Next up: Sony going bye bye.
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@Windbreaker1612
Not complying is a choice.
So you playing old games is actually the choice and it's a good choice. Nothing is too big to fail.
Not enough people complying (see game key cards failure) will create change.
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@Yosher
Nintendo wasn't stupid and didn't chase the Fortnite trillions.
Everyone else was really stupid.
Pro-Tip: Fortnite already exists. You will not get that player base, because they already have Fortnite.
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@Sindayl
If Nintendo drops physical, Nintendo is going to be dead in Japan and they surely do not want that.
Sony does not care about Japan.
And Microsoft has no clue about Japan.
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@subechin
It would make sense, Amiibos are max profit, there are also amiibo paper cards available.
plus they can in theory make Amiibo get locked to an account or console too. And then charge to unlock them.
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@Planetman
Then I will follow suit and simply not buy any of them.
My money, my choice.
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@SuperEndriu
And it's not even about deletion.
It's also about modifications.
For example you rented Aliens from a digital download store.
Great, now they "upgraded" your copy to 4k, which is an AI-ridden crapshoot.
Can't watch the original 1080p copy anymore.
But with physical you can.
They can also remove certain things, or add things, and you also can't do anything about that.
There is a game on Switch and they had a voice actor, which they removed because of political reasons.
With physical cart, I can still play the game as it was released.
With digital I can't.
Or another example, Dumb and Dumber. Great movie. On blu-ray only available in a horrible Director's Cut. But I can still watch it on DVD in its original release.
Take for example the Steam store. It's all DRM infested. And Valve censors games all the time, just because they do not like them, not because of legal reasons. Just removes them from the store. And sure, you may still be allowed (oh thank god /sarcasm) to download them, but the developer won't be able to update them anymore and also has no reason to, because it can't be sold anymore, and thus they are stuck. If there is a bug with a future version of Windows, tough luck. And Valve forces you onto "newer hardware" anyway, and thus the game will be gone.
Heck, Nintendo themselves do not allow some Japanese Switch games in the west because of activists at Nintendo, which is also ridiculous. But at least with physical I can import them easily and play them.
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@NerdyPaul
That's incorrect.
I own all my physical PC games, all my physical Gamecube, PS2, PS3, PS4 and Switch games.
I can do whatever I want with them.
I can give them to a friend for a while, I can sell them, I dont need permission from Nintendo to do what I want.
The only thing I'm not allowed is to make copies, which duh makes sense.
I also never sined any contract, and even if I had, it would be way after the purchase, and thus such a contract would be null and void anyway.
With physical products the company behind it could even write a contract that you signed at the time of purchase, and it would still be null and void because first sale doctrine applies.
But first sale doctrine does not apply to digital downloads. Only to physical goods.
Let's look at NES classics.
There's a game called Kickle Cubicle.
You can play it on NES just by buying an old NES cart.
But look at the legal situation, it's in limbo, in legal hell.
If it was a digital download, you wouldn't even be able to purchase it anymore,and thus no way to play it.
Re: Nintendo May Be The Last Bastion Of Physical Games As Xbox's Project Helix Is Set To Ditch Discs
@eldersnake
You should think about storage costsl.
With carts/discs, that is already included.
Otherwise you have to buy very very overpriced storage and the Switch 2 requires very expensive SD cards, which is just insane, even for games that do not need that (which is most).
I own probably 300 or 400 Switch games, 99% of them on physical cart.
If I had gotten them through download, there would be no way to have them all on one system at once. I would have to delete and re-download all the time, and I would have spent a fortune on storage already.
Re: Multiple Switch Games Have Received Switch 2 Compatibility Fixes
If Nintendo wouldn't have done such a terrible job, there would be no "patches" for Switch 2.
I remember perfect backward compatibility on Wii U regarding Wii games, digital physical, all of them worked properly (minus 1 game that used a special controller, which used the Gamecube ports, but that's obvious)
DS games also worked perfectly on the 3DS.
They all worked without problems, without anyone patch patch patching anything (and ruining physical releases in the process).
And what's even more ridiculous is that Switch users still have to download these too. Why?
Why am I wasting my disc space with useless patches?
Re: "This Is Even Worse" - GTA 6 Code-In-A-Box Reveal Reignites Game-Key Card Debate
Oh, or look at Playstation,which is totally insane.
Their store on PS3+PS4 basically looks the same, but PS3 games are stripped away, and are only available on PS3.
They are gone from the PS4 web store, which is basically a website as well.
They are gone from the PSN website store as well.
Why?
Sony got a PSN website store, and originally it had PS3 games.
Why are they gone?
What's the technical reason for that?
Is it more expensive to also have PS3 games on their webstore?
There is none, Sony simply wants them gone, that is all.
And on PS3 the store is basically falling apart, also downloads on PS3 are a nightmare. Back then the PSN website allowed sending downloads from there to the PS3. That was also stripped away. So right now you need to download games the most complicated way on PS3, and select everything indnvidually one by one.
Doesn't sound that bad, but then you have to consider they gave away Uncharted 2+3 multiplayer for free in the end including all DLC, and every DLC is one download. And it's like 500 or 1000 DLCs. So if you want to download that all, you have to do that all manually on a PS3 right now.
With that website, you could queue up 20 or 30 items to download and it wasn't superb, but way better than now.
In comparision to that the Wii U was such a well designed machine, because what does it do if you have a fresh user connected/move to another machine? That's right, it automatically downloads everything that you had purchased. No need to manually select anything for hours.
Switch is a similar downgrade compared to that, and I know because I replaced my OG Switch with an OLED Switch. It took me DAYS to download, DAYS to download all the patches. For Wii U you can even re-use the same harddrive, no need to redownload anything if you got the harddrive. Just connect the harddrive and the machine can use the content.
Switch can't do that. Requires redownloading everything. Can't even tell it to take everything this other Switch has, nope, you also have to select everything individually one by one.
Re: "This Is Even Worse" - GTA 6 Code-In-A-Box Reveal Reignites Game-Key Card Debate
@jsty3105
"about how you envision managing the different categories of digital data for Nintendo's games as they span different hardware generations."
Maybe look into how HTTP works. You know the protocol that is used by all websites, and all websites have different content on it, and it still somewhat works.
Every graphic on here is a digital file.
All games are are digital files.
And there you go.
Just imagine this website not having graphics everywhere, but every graphic is a game file.
That's already how these stores work, but they just for some reason have to create new stores every generation, and close the old ones down, which makes absolutely no sense.
For example the Wii eShop is basically a website too.
That's how these content delivery platforms work.
But you don't even have to have the exact same delivery for every platform, that's not the point.
The point is simply keeping all digital games available on one website store, up for everyone to purchase.
Amazon even does that for 3rd party sellers.
Nintendo can easily do that for all digital games.
And even atm they have redownloads still up, which means all that is missing is a way to purchase the games, which makes the whole situation even more ridiculous.
Take Steam for example. That's a crappy store as well, and locks people out just because they can, which is even worse compared to what Nintendo is doing.
There is no one stopping Valve from creating a small light weight DRM client, so that "old platforms" can still work fine.
But instead they lock people out. Worse yet, there are countless of games that do not work on Windows 10 or 11, which means they effectively destroy these games, make them unplayable and force you to comply.
They make trillions by ripping indies off and for doing nothing at all in return, and can't be bothered to do that as well.
No, they effectively let you download another outdated version of the Google Chrome web browser and called it a day.
Until that is legally required, digital download games are a big no no for me, because on PC I can also still keep on playing my physical PC games that are 30 or 40 years old. Heck, you can still play games on floppy discs, that were made 45 years ago, you just need the hardware that is all.
Re: "This Is Even Worse" - GTA 6 Code-In-A-Box Reveal Reignites Game-Key Card Debate
@CheapMerc
Correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I know only a leaker claims that a disc would get released in December, that's not Rockstar talking.
And for that matter they could have gone the CoD route, disc but with mandatory updates.
In any case, it's obvious that Rockstar doesn't give a sh*t they never properly released their messed up GTA trilogy.
Re: "This Is Even Worse" - GTA 6 Code-In-A-Box Reveal Reignites Game-Key Card Debate
@MS7000
I would replace that copy with a proper one, because the proper one will actually be worth something when Sony shuts down the servers. Most people don't know about this.
I wanted to play Spyro, figured that the Switch release was a scam and avoided it. I also avoided the PS4 release for the same reason until I found out that this special release exists. Was a pain to track down, but ebay helps out because most people take photos of the items they are selling and you just need to watch out of (c) 2019 Activison on the backcover, that's the reprint which has everything on disc. The US reprint is special and only has that on the disc itself, not on the cover. There is no way to check an unopened American copy, but European copies also got that small change on the backcover.
In fact all covers state that download would be required. I guess Activison still had stock left and didn't want to ruin that by removing that statement.
Re: "This Is Even Worse" - GTA 6 Code-In-A-Box Reveal Reignites Game-Key Card Debate
@shiningpikablu252
Sorry my bad. So Nintendo did an even better job and went "online" with the SNES. Great job there Nintendo.
N64 actually had the N64DD and Randnet.
In any case, my point still stands.
Nintendo released digital download games, which CAN NOT BE PLAYED ANYMORE (legally duh), because they shut it all down.
Re: "This Is Even Worse" - GTA 6 Code-In-A-Box Reveal Reignites Game-Key Card Debate
@jsty3105
"but that doesn't count"
Called it
It does count. It's Nintendo games that you can't play anymore, thanks to digital downloads.
And what's funny is that tons of Playstation and Xbox users claiming that they were the first being "online" are all lying. Nintendo did it first, fun fact.
Anyway, Nintendo themselves already stated that they will shut down redownloads for Wii.
You would have a point if they stated that they would keep redownloads up forever, but they don't. They explicitly stated the opposite of that, which is the whole argument against trash downloads.
And also fun fact: they could have easily built infrastructure that works onwards for all digital games, but they also didn't do that. Wii U digital library -> gone. 3DS digital library -> gone. Wii digital library -> gone
Nintendo a a very rich company. They could do that easily. There is also not much to it. You simply need a website for all the digital games, no need to even do it on the hardware itself. But the hardware asks the store and downloads digital data, that's it. They could do that, but they don't. Instead they shut old hardware off so to speak.
At least for now they don't pull a Valve, where they literally make older systems unusable and literally nothing works on them anymore even games that were already downloaded (thanks to invasive online DRM), but instead for now stop purchases, which doesn't even make sense, when they keep downloads going.
That's the situation. Downloads would still be no good in case they were legally required to keep everything up and/or design it properly, but it would be a start.
Re: "This Is Even Worse" - GTA 6 Code-In-A-Box Reveal Reignites Game-Key Card Debate
@MS7000
Correct.
There is all sorts of false information on the internet.
For example the Playstation 4 release of Spyro Trilogy actually has all games on disc, no patches needed, but only a certain release, which you can't identify easily. If I remember correctly there may not even be a patch for this version at all. It's funny because for that release the cover still says "download required" although that's not true at all.
The regular PS4 release, just like the Switch pseudo-physical release do not have all 3 games on cart/disc.
The Switch release of Spyro is especially evil, because it only has the FIRST WORLD of the games on cart, everything else is a download and that's basically a physical scam release. So the release pretends to be fully on cart (why would they put the first world on cart?), but it's only a very small part of the games.
I think nothing is too big to fail. Problem here is just the consumer, who may accept that because of hype.
It's already ridiculous that they open pre-orders for a digital only release now. Why? Will the bits be limited? Who pre-orders a digital download? That's just silly.
It would be funny if GTA 6 got "activist'd", because now people wouldn't be able to sell the used copy.
With enough pain, I think customers would change their behavior, and then Take Two would be in big doodoo.
Re: "This Is Even Worse" - GTA 6 Code-In-A-Box Reveal Reignites Game-Key Card Debate
@Hatori
It makes sense.
With a game key, you have to have the cart. If you lose the worthless cart, the digital download is gone. With a code, you have at least the game connected to your account and can't lose it.
The absolutely worst way is Final Fantasy X / X-II in the west.
In Japan both games are on cart, and the game keeps a high price.
In the west, X-II is a digital download code (one use), but on top of that it requires the physical cart.
So in that case, you can't even sell the physical cart with X on it, because you would lose X-II access. And you can't sell X-II, because it a one time code.
I'm glad that this release flopped in the west, same for game keys flopping.
Re: "This Is Even Worse" - GTA 6 Code-In-A-Box Reveal Reignites Game-Key Card Debate
@jsty3105
Never happened on Nintendo consoles?
Please show me how I get legal access to my N64 SatellaView games, which were offered FOR DOWNLOAD back then when you had a SatellaView subscription.
I'm sure that SatellaView for some reason doesn't count.
Also tons of other games can not be purchased anymore, aka they ceased to exist thanks to digital downloads.
Where can I legally purchase Meme Run for the Wii U?
With physical releases you always have the aftermarket.
Sometimes it's insanely expensive, but at least I can purchase it if I want to.
Others especially LIKE GTA games had content, which was removed for digital downloads. Like GTA Vice City Michael Jackson music. Can only get that on physical media.
Re: "This Is Even Worse" - GTA 6 Code-In-A-Box Reveal Reignites Game-Key Card Debate
@Dman10
"30 years"
you don't control that. I don't control that.
Nintendo has full control and that's the point.
The problem is NOT OWNING games anymore.
And according to EULA, you have zero rights, they CAN and WILL switch it off whenever they feel like it.
And for Wii they explicitly said that they WILL switch redownloads off.
In fact Sony has already done so with some platforms.
So the question is not if, but only when. And when is when they feel like it.
Zero control is unacceptable.
I want ownership.
They want my money.
They don't give me what I want, and I keep my money.
Simple as.
Also fun fact: I just imported Merry Bunny Garden, a Japanese exclusive that Nintendo activists have stopped from getting a western release. I can do that because there is ownership involved with physical carts. Without these, these activists can just turn it all off.
Re: "This Is Even Worse" - GTA 6 Code-In-A-Box Reveal Reignites Game-Key Card Debate
@UltimateOtaku91
It only has resale value to chumps that would buy the rental.
And that's what it is. A rental.
Nintendo can switch it off at any time and it's also 100% worthless.
This here is of course unacceptable, same for game keys.
simply don't buy it.
When enough do that, companies will be forced to fix it, and quite a few companies already "get it" and don't release game keys.
Re: Multiple Xbox Studios Reportedly In Active Negotiations With Microsoft To Avoid Closure
@eldersnake
Yeah, I thought Double Fine was independent.
Why the f*** would they agree to get bought by Microsoft?
Of course I also never understood why Double Fine didn't port classic adventures over to Switch, like Day of the Tentacle or Full Throttle or Monkey Island series.
That never made sense to me, especially because their earlier games are actually on Switch.
Also where's Sam'n Max Hit The Road?
Re: Nintendo Switch 2 System Update 22.5.0 Is Now Live, Here Are The Full Patch Notes
@JetmanUK
I wish Nintendo would reimplement the feature that marked purchased games as purchased for all accounts. That wasn't perfect, because for give-aways you want and had to get games on other accounts, doing that was still possible anyway.
For some years now purchased games can be re-purchased by other accounts. You are not even warned about it. Just silly.
At the same time Videogames+, that great Canadian video game store, implemented exactly such a feature recently. You can now see if you purchased a game previously already. People with a huge collection of games love that.
Better yet: why not just use the system language for all stores including the Japanese one. Most games are literally the same games, the exact same releases, Nintendo could easily show the English names for these games, but they don't. That would make navigating these stores a lot easier. And of course the opposite should also be done, Japanese players should see Japanese game titles and menus for non-Japanese stores. It would be so trivial, at least for the menus.
Re: Nintendo Switch 2 System Update 22.5.0 Is Now Live, Here Are The Full Patch Notes
@NintendoBlows
"Theure doing everything in their power to make sure you don't own anything they are pretty much just renting ypu a system and games."
False, that's what Valve has been doing and PC players have slurped it all up.
Nintendo is still selling physical games for physical ownership.
Nintendo fans on the other hand reject game keys, which is a very good thing. PC players should have done that 20 years ago regarding Valve. Nowadays they actually don't own anything and are in fact even fine with Valve remote disabling their perfectly working systems, which is absolutely ridiculous.
Imagine Nintendo switching off all Switch Ones and forcing everyone to buy a Switch Two to continue playing. That's what Valve is doing and everyone on PC using that crap is fine with it. "Switch eShop will stop working on Switch 1, just buy a Switch 2". Imagine Nintendo actually doing that. But when it's on PC and Valve doing that, it's fine.
Re: Valve Follows Switch 2, PS5 & Xbox With Major Steam Deck Price Hike
@Metazoxan
I'm still not buying a Switch 2.
I may consider it when they stop with the key card BS. Fix their backward compatibility. Fix the controller. Fix the screen. And fix the prices (hardware+games). Fix the silly expensive SD card stuff even for games that do not need it. I'm not paying 400 bucks for a SD card.
Unless they do, I will buy and play on other platforms.
I don't need the latest stuff anyway.
@spiderman0616
"Honestly, I think it’s more useful in gaming."
AI doesn't work. And it's not intelligent either. It's computer algos. It's nothing new. it's chatbots with internet search engine built in. Buggy chatbots with broken internet search, that recommends you to eat poisonous mushrooms.
But let's imagine it works. Great, now everyone is out of their job and can't afford anything anymore. Sounds great.
AI is a bubble anyway. They even admit themselves that they spent so much money on it, they will never make it back.
And when that bubble bursts, the whole current money system will go with it. Think 1000x 2008.
Re: Valve Follows Switch 2, PS5 & Xbox With Major Steam Deck Price Hike
@FaroreAbhorsen
"Yeah, one day maybe having graphics better than Horizon: Forbidden West, or Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart, or FF7Rebirth will be... nice"
It's not, it's really not.
Watch the Iwata video from 20 years ago.
He spoke what game developers think.
Also better looking graphics = less content and worse gameplay and also no/less risks that are taken.
Think back at PS2 days, sure it was 480p or 480i, but who cares. At least there were so many games that were creative and unique, because taking a risk wasn't a 100 million gamble.
Nowadays that's what indie games get you. BUT INDIES DON'T NEED 4k screens. They don't have the budget for that.
The AAA industry is killing itself thanks to these stupid hardware decisions.
For example PS2 had a game where you played a Mosquito. In fact it had 2 of them, one was Japan exclusive if I remember correctly.
Also way worse battery life.
Back then gameboy won because of the better hardware, not because of "colors" "high resolution" or whatever. No, a few batteries lasted 80-100 hours or more. That's what matters for a handheld.
And Wii also won because of it's unique gameplay and new ways to pla games.
Now it's just "look at these shiny graphics" and that's it. I call that boring. But everyone does that.
Re: Valve Follows Switch 2, PS5 & Xbox With Major Steam Deck Price Hike
@Nalverus
Especially because it doesn't support physical games, only digital downloads with invasive online DRM, which even locks you out of perfectly fine hardware.
Imagine Nintendo locking people out of Switch 1 saying that it's not suppoted anymore, and forcing everyone to buy a Switch 2. That's what Valve is literally doing.
Also it's "you won't own anything". Thank you, but no thank you.
Worse yet, it's not even Windows on the thing, but a Windows emulator, that doesn't work properly. So it's beta test games for us for free / paying us a fortune. Granted, Nintendo sucks with their Switch 1 emulation as well. Imagine having to download patches for DS games so that they work on the 3DS.
And games like Fortnite do not work at all.
Re: "We Understand The Frustration" - ININ Games Addresses R-Type Dimensions III Tech Issues
@Chocobo_Shepherd
In fact before the Switch I bought Nintendo games day 1.
I stopped doing that when even Nintendo started with the day 1 BS.
At least there is a website that tests if a physical release is actually playable and works, and most of them still are.
www.doesitplay.org
Re: "We Understand The Frustration" - ININ Games Addresses R-Type Dimensions III Tech Issues
@zidane4028
How does this even go through certification?
Make me think back at Sony demanding that every game just has to have trophies for no reason, but they don't even care when the trophies don't work.
Re: "We Understand The Frustration" - ININ Games Addresses R-Type Dimensions III Tech Issues
@Protion9
Who can blame them when tons of gamers accept it in the first place?
Nowadays it's patch patch patch patch and "Oh, that'll do".
Look at Metal Gear Solid 2 on the Switch. That one ran at rock solid 60 fps on the PS2, which is way way way weaker than the Switch. And on Switch it's 30 fps. And the physical release is a joke. Still it sells. And that's all that matters in the end.
Re: No Gravity Games Is Giving Away 6 Free Switch Games This Month
@Kerrsguy
A movie "game" is a "game" that prioritizes cinematic presentation over gameplay aka throws away tons of money for presentation and doesn't care about the gameplay, in fact reduces the game to a minimum, because it needs to sell 10 trillion copies because of the insane inflated budget.
Think of Super Mario Bros, but the opposite of that.
Just strip the shiny graphics away and see what you have left.
For AAA "games" there is often not that much left if anything at all.
For example:
Core Tomb Raider 2 (actual game) vs Tomb Raider 2013 (a "game")
https://imgur.com/a/0oGP1A3
Sure, it looks shiny, but there is nothing under the hood.
For one of the few exceptions see Zelda Breath of the Wild. That's AAA budget, but uses it for gameplay and not for presentation BS. It still looks nice though. For a negative example see Red Dead Redemption 2. Very shiny but nothing under the hood either. Everything is fully scripted. In Breath of the Wild you ACTUALLY build a camp, you ACTUALLY make fire using wood. In Red Dead Redemption 2 you press X to camp, which is ridiculous. And you can't even camp everywhere.
In Breath of the Wild I can climb basically everything including trees. The world feels alive because of that. In RDR2 you can't do anything like that. The world feels like a sterile movie set. Worse yet they couldn't even be bothered to make the people you are around with react to the things you do in the game world. Be evil af and no one actually cares. Sterile movie set. But it looks pretty.
You can see the same with movies. There are tons of low budget movies that are great and creative. As soon as the budget climbs, creativity typically drops.