Did Ubisoft buy a majority stake in Nintendo? Worst E3 I've ever seen. A 'New Coke' moment for Nintendo, ruining a recognized brand and a good recipe. It was like seeing your favorite band playing their new s*** rather than classics. And then puking on stage and ending the show early.
NintendoLand looks like a nauseating stroll through Jackson's garish Neverland.
That Luigi's Mansion mulitplayer was just Pacman! Shameful.
I wasn't planning on getting a Wii U, but I still didn't deserve to see that.
Can't speak for Donjwolf, but I'm not interested in whether you find what I have to say interesting, but to answer your inquisitive musings, I think a new Starfox would be great on the 3DS.
I've greatly enjoyed Starfox 64 3D, and would like to see a true sequel to it on the 3DS.
We're increasingly seeing games on Nintendo home consoles that could be achieved on the 3DS. Indeed, Smash Bros. will have a portable version, and the upcoming Wii and 3DS NSMB games don't look all that different so far.
I'm quite content with playing the likes of Kid Icarus on 3DS, and don't feel the need for a home console anymore. In a way, Nintendo could be a victim of it's own success with portable consoles, as the gap between actual gameplay between home and portable consoles seems to be getting narrower.
Certainly it seems Nintendo themselves have recognised this, with the functionality of the Wii U tablet, and I can certainly forsee a future where the home and portable consoles are one and the same thing (indeed, I made a thread about this possibility before the Wii U was announced.)
Great insight. I personally love the controls. It's possible that I didn't have much trouble learning them as I don't play FPS that much, and wasn't used to double stick controls. The controls for the first Smash Bros, in particular the jumping, was weird to begin with. For me, Kid Icarus is a great use of the 3DS control scheme.
Couple of concerns people have made which I share:
That this game is coming out so soon after 3D Land. I can't shake the feeling that after the merging of 2D and 3D, that this game is a step back.
The art style. It's ok, but that's the problem, it just looks perfunctory. The 3DS is far more powerful than the SNES, but I personally find the art styles of Donkey Kong Country 2 and Yoshi's Island far more charming than this.
I liked NSMB when it came out, it was even fresh I'd say, and I enjoyed the Wii version enough, but when the Wii U comes out it's possible we'll have 4 games that don't look all that different. This hasn't happened before, SMB, SMB2 (US), SMB3, and SMW all looked very different from one another.
I agree with a suggestion that someone here made, how about releasing a good Wario or Yoshi's Island game?
"To say that the revival of 2D Mario has been a gigantic success for Nintendo is somewhat of an understatement; both New Super Mario Bros. on DS and New Super Mario Bros. Wii sold over 25 million copies each worldwide by the end of 2011. Nintendo would be insane to ignore those numbers."
I find this a very interesting statement, because in years gone by, especially in the N64 and GameCube eras, Nintendo did seem to make creative choices that were insane marketing decisions.
Just off the top of my head, sticking to cartridges rather than switching to CDs seemed insane, and perhaps it was, but I liked cartridges. The decision to make the Wind Waker cel shaded seemed unbalanced, and probably a 'realistic' looking Zelda would have sold better, but I for one liked the style. It is forgotten now, but Mario Kart seemed like an insane idea when it first appeared.
I personally thought that the dual screen of the DS and the waving system of the Wii controller were bizarre and ruinous ideas for Nintendo, but I was happily proved wrong. And that's the thing, not only do fans want Nintendo to make 'insane' choices, to push what they can do and what we expect, but it also makes commercial sense I think in the long run; however recent developments certainly look cynical to me.
Sure, NSMB2 and Pokemon Black & White 2 will probably sell a lot, but I think eventually people will see through it if Nintendo continue in this vein. Hopefully we'll see a Galaxy scale innovation, or even, gasp, an F-Zero game, but I'm a little concerned.
I compared this burgeoning trend at Nintendo to how Disney for a time would just produce endless sequels. Whilst these sold for Disney for a time, people got weary of it, and they've since changed course as a company.
The risk Nintendo have as well is, the possibility that Sony or Microsoft gain dominance of the mainstream market (Nintendo has lost a big market lead before) and find their core dedicated fanbase has diminished by that time due to decisions like this, and even more so Pokemon Black & White 2. The return of the Tanooki suit for a Mario game that merged 2D and 3D styles was worthwhile, but ripping the P Wing and Tanooki tail into this 2D game just looks way too safe to me.
I'll vote in the simplest manner, by not buying it. After all, Nintendo aren't forcing me to buy it, and nor do they have a feudal responsibility to please me. But as a long time Nintendo fan, I'm registering my displeasure, and will do so in any future surveys they conduct.
Admittedly it's very early days yet, but looking at the screenshots, there doesn't appear to be anything, aside from the 3D effect that, that couldn't have been achieved on DS. It's all very well Nintendo saying that hardware power isn't important when they're innovating, but when they're just adding P Wing to this, or Miis to the Wii U version? A little concerned, but hopefully Nintendo will surprise me again.
And as a fan, I hope I'm wrong (as I have been on a few things they've done in the past) on most of the points I have made.
I am in love with this game, it's gone straight into my top 10 of all time. It strikes me as a wonderful civil partnership between Lylat Wars and Sin & Punishment.
I like Nintendo Life, I really do, but why must every article about a Mario game feature the phrase 'mustachioed plumber' or 'portly plumber'? After reading these descriptions of Mario in video game journalism for about 20 years, it's getting a bit wearing.
Surely the limitations placed on this entry by the lack of colours compared to later versions would impact the gameplay and therefore the score more than such limitations would affect The score of the original Tetris.
I think it needs to be another colour other than white in order for it to help it be distinguished from the Wii, something there already appears to be confusion about. I like the idea of very dark navy blue.
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Re: Talking Point: The Pros and Cons of 3DS XL
Oh, it's a Wii U controller.
Re: Nintendo Serves Up Mario Tennis History Infographic
133 characters? Really?!
Re: Review: Order Up!! (3DS eShop)
The stress of running a restaurant without any of the profits? I'm in!
Actually, does look kind of fun.
Re: New Super Mario Bros. 2 Trailer is Informative
These NSMB games are all merging together in my mind. The first 3 Super Mario Bros. games had graphical styles quite distinct from one another.
Re: Zelda Remakes Still Part of Nintendo's Quest
Majora's Mask, as I felt it was more in need of a remake than Ocarina. Same goes for Starwing over Starfox.
Re: Feature: Nintendo Land's Potential
Ghost Mansion is basically a Pacman rip off. Is this the future of gaming?
Re: E3 2012: Miyamoto Talks Zelda Wii U Experiments
Concerned.
Re: Talking Point: Reviewing Nintendo's E3 Press Conference
@Kirk
You have successively summed up how I feel.
Re: Reaction: James, Tom and Mike React to E3 2012
That they haven't revealed the price yet I think is quite ominous. Going to be very expensive I think.
Re: E3 2012: New Super Mario Bros. 2 Trailer Goes for Gold
The game's premise suits Wario a lot better.
Re: E3 2012: Watch the Nintendo Press Conference Live Here
Did Ubisoft buy a majority stake in Nintendo? Worst E3 I've ever seen. A 'New Coke' moment for Nintendo, ruining a recognized brand and a good recipe. It was like seeing your favorite band playing their new s*** rather than classics. And then puking on stage and ending the show early.
NintendoLand looks like a nauseating stroll through Jackson's garish Neverland.
That Luigi's Mansion mulitplayer was just Pacman! Shameful.
I wasn't planning on getting a Wii U, but I still didn't deserve to see that.
Re: E3 2012: Watch the Nintendo Press Conference Live Here
This was like watching a beloved relative slowly die.
Re: Tom and James Discuss the Big 3DS Rumour
Seems like such an announcement would be needlessly distracting of the Wii U launch details.
Re: Podcast: Episode 24 - Nintendo Direct and E3 Predictions
Wow, what the heck was the little tune at the beginning? Pretty cool.
Re: Feature: How Nintendo Can Win E3
If I won an E3, I'd keep it to myself the first few days, but then after I'd share it with everyone else.
Re: Rumour: Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 Heading to Wii U
For a second I thought that picture was the Great Deku Tree. Silly CowLaunch.
Re: Review: Kirby's Dream Land 2 (3DS eShop / Game Boy)
I personally found the very last boss difficult.
Re: Review: Kirby's Dream Land 2 (3DS eShop / Game Boy)
My favourite Kirby game.
Re: Review: Mario Tennis Open (3DS)
There are plenty of RPGs available if people want to play them...
Re: Review: Mario Tennis Open (3DS)
@ Jon
Does this play a lot like the N64 version?
Re: Kirby's Dream Land 2 Reaches Europe Next Week
@Bass
Never saw it in England. I bought a copy when on holiday in Spain. Apparently it was a PAL version, as it worked on my Game Boy.
Re: Sakurai Won't Make a Kid Icarus: Uprising Sequel
Perhaps I recall incorrectly, but I seem to remember him saying something similar about Smash Bros. after Melee.
Re: Feature: Kid Icarus - Nintendo's Next Big Franchise?
Kid Icarus action figures would be good.
I thought Pikmin was on the way to becoming an established franchise, and then Nintendo decided that Pikmin 3 wouldn't appear in our lifetimes.
Re: Rumour: Retro Studios Preparing Star Fox Wii U Reveal
@aaronsullivan
Can't speak for Donjwolf, but I'm not interested in whether you find what I have to say interesting, but to answer your inquisitive musings, I think a new Starfox would be great on the 3DS.
I've greatly enjoyed Starfox 64 3D, and would like to see a true sequel to it on the 3DS.
We're increasingly seeing games on Nintendo home consoles that could be achieved on the 3DS. Indeed, Smash Bros. will have a portable version, and the upcoming Wii and 3DS NSMB games don't look all that different so far.
I'm quite content with playing the likes of Kid Icarus on 3DS, and don't feel the need for a home console anymore. In a way, Nintendo could be a victim of it's own success with portable consoles, as the gap between actual gameplay between home and portable consoles seems to be getting narrower.
Certainly it seems Nintendo themselves have recognised this, with the functionality of the Wii U tablet, and I can certainly forsee a future where the home and portable consoles are one and the same thing (indeed, I made a thread about this possibility before the Wii U was announced.)
I hope that satiates your obnoxious curiosity.
Re: Rumour: Retro Studios Preparing Star Fox Wii U Reveal
@Donjwolf
Same.
Re: Interview: Peter Ong - Disney Epic Mickey: Power of Illusion
Probably get this.
Re: LEGO Zelda Concept Nets 10,000 Supporters
Fantastic.
Re: Sakurai: Dual Analogue Control in Kid Icarus: Uprising Was "Technically Impossible"
Great insight. I personally love the controls. It's possible that I didn't have much trouble learning them as I don't play FPS that much, and wasn't used to double stick controls. The controls for the first Smash Bros, in particular the jumping, was weird to begin with. For me, Kid Icarus is a great use of the 3DS control scheme.
Re: Feature: Three Reasons Why Mario's Next Adventure Should Visit Subcon
More out there features like this please!
Re: Review: Colors! 3D (eShop)
I found this game easier using an actual pencil rather than the stylus.
Re: Talking Point: What New Super Mario Bros. 2 Means for 3DS and Nintendo
Couple of concerns people have made which I share:
That this game is coming out so soon after 3D Land. I can't shake the feeling that after the merging of 2D and 3D, that this game is a step back.
The art style. It's ok, but that's the problem, it just looks perfunctory. The 3DS is far more powerful than the SNES, but I personally find the art styles of Donkey Kong Country 2 and Yoshi's Island far more charming than this.
I liked NSMB when it came out, it was even fresh I'd say, and I enjoyed the Wii version enough, but when the Wii U comes out it's possible we'll have 4 games that don't look all that different. This hasn't happened before, SMB, SMB2 (US), SMB3, and SMW all looked very different from one another.
I agree with a suggestion that someone here made, how about releasing a good Wario or Yoshi's Island game?
Re: Talking Point: What New Super Mario Bros. 2 Means for 3DS and Nintendo
"To say that the revival of 2D Mario has been a gigantic success for Nintendo is somewhat of an understatement; both New Super Mario Bros. on DS and New Super Mario Bros. Wii sold over 25 million copies each worldwide by the end of 2011. Nintendo would be insane to ignore those numbers."
I find this a very interesting statement, because in years gone by, especially in the N64 and GameCube eras, Nintendo did seem to make creative choices that were insane marketing decisions.
Just off the top of my head, sticking to cartridges rather than switching to CDs seemed insane, and perhaps it was, but I liked cartridges. The decision to make the Wind Waker cel shaded seemed unbalanced, and probably a 'realistic' looking Zelda would have sold better, but I for one liked the style. It is forgotten now, but Mario Kart seemed like an insane idea when it first appeared.
I personally thought that the dual screen of the DS and the waving system of the Wii controller were bizarre and ruinous ideas for Nintendo, but I was happily proved wrong. And that's the thing, not only do fans want Nintendo to make 'insane' choices, to push what they can do and what we expect, but it also makes commercial sense I think in the long run; however recent developments certainly look cynical to me.
Sure, NSMB2 and Pokemon Black & White 2 will probably sell a lot, but I think eventually people will see through it if Nintendo continue in this vein. Hopefully we'll see a Galaxy scale innovation, or even, gasp, an F-Zero game, but I'm a little concerned.
I compared this burgeoning trend at Nintendo to how Disney for a time would just produce endless sequels. Whilst these sold for Disney for a time, people got weary of it, and they've since changed course as a company.
The risk Nintendo have as well is, the possibility that Sony or Microsoft gain dominance of the mainstream market (Nintendo has lost a big market lead before) and find their core dedicated fanbase has diminished by that time due to decisions like this, and even more so Pokemon Black & White 2. The return of the Tanooki suit for a Mario game that merged 2D and 3D styles was worthwhile, but ripping the P Wing and Tanooki tail into this 2D game just looks way too safe to me.
I'll vote in the simplest manner, by not buying it. After all, Nintendo aren't forcing me to buy it, and nor do they have a feudal responsibility to please me. But as a long time Nintendo fan, I'm registering my displeasure, and will do so in any future surveys they conduct.
Admittedly it's very early days yet, but looking at the screenshots, there doesn't appear to be anything, aside from the 3D effect that, that couldn't have been achieved on DS. It's all very well Nintendo saying that hardware power isn't important when they're innovating, but when they're just adding P Wing to this, or Miis to the Wii U version? A little concerned, but hopefully Nintendo will surprise me again.
And as a fan, I hope I'm wrong (as I have been on a few things they've done in the past) on most of the points I have made.
Re: Talking Point: What Games Are You Playing This Weekend?
I will be playing Kid Icarus Uprising. Will also probably play Pro Evo with my friend, and give the Pyramids demo a go.
Re: Mario Wii U "Based On" New Super Mario Bros. Mii
Underwhelmed.
Re: Feature: Super Mario on Wii U - Crowd Pleaser or Game Changer?
If the Wii U isn't as cheap as the Wii, then It think focusing on crowd pleasers would be a mistake.
Myself, I want a huge exploration type Mario game this time.
Re: Game of the Month: March 2012 - Kid Icarus: Uprising
I am in love with this game, it's gone straight into my top 10 of all time. It strikes me as a wonderful civil partnership between Lylat Wars and Sin & Punishment.
Re: First Impressions: Mario Tennis Open
I like Nintendo Life, I really do, but why must every article about a Mario game feature the phrase 'mustachioed plumber' or 'portly plumber'? After reading these descriptions of Mario in video game journalism for about 20 years, it's getting a bit wearing.
Re: Developers: Wii U "Less Powerful than PS3 and 360"
Anonymous: "Wii U Not as Powerful as Corbie Dillard".
Re: Review: Dr. Mario (3DS Virtual Console / Game Boy)
Surely the limitations placed on this entry by the lack of colours compared to later versions would impact the gameplay and therefore the score more than such limitations would affect The score of the original Tetris.
Re: Talking Point: Why Wii U's Image Must Grab Attention
I think it needs to be another colour other than white in order for it to help it be distinguished from the Wii, something there already appears to be confusion about. I like the idea of very dark navy blue.
Re: Donkey Kong and Pikmin Could Have Had Cameos in Super Mario Galaxy 2
I don't consider Donkey Kong a cameo, he's part of the Mario universe. There were a lot of cameo's in Link's Awakening, and it added charm.
Re: Pokémon Champion Stripped of Title After Hotel Incident
What a bizarre episode in human history.
Re: Talking Point: The Future of Pokémon
3D pokemon game, to make the big leap Zelda did with Ocarina of Time. And only 150 pokemon, with maybe an extra one that remains mostly elusive.
Re: PES 2012 3D
What the heck is going on with this game? Is it out?
Re: Nintendo May Not Call Wii U a Home Console
So they're making the 3DS less portable with the Circle Pad Pro, and declaring Wii U a non-home console. Interesting.
Re: Ocarina of Time Project Underway in Minecraft
Intoxicating.
Re: Guide: Nintendo 3DS eShop Demos
Will you be reviewing demos?
Re: Feature: The Biggest 3DS Games of 2012
Mario Tennis.
Re: The Binding of Isaac Seeking Approval from Nintendo
Mature content but cute presentation? Well, Nintendo allowed it with Conker, debatable whether they'd do it again though.
Re: Review: Nintendo Letter Box (3DSWare)
Love this, simple tools that allow you to be very expressive. Adding the sound and different backgrounds adds a lot.