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@C7_
"And no, they weren't glaringly obvious because I played the crap out of the game and didn't even notice where the dungeon would be because they did a good job of doing other things with that island related to the overall game. "
Well, we're just going to have to put that down to your intelligence.
Most games have had something cut, sure, but I can show you plenty of games that felt like a complete experience despite that, and Wind Waker isn't one of them.

Regarding Pikmin 3, a 'plan' is not the same as what eventually occurs. I may plan to do some shopping at a certain time, but may actually do it later. I can't explain this distinction any more simply.

The levels in 3D World don't look large at all, certainly not compared to something like Sunshine.

Your West/Japan distinction is erroneous, plenty of people in the West bought the N64 purely for GoldenEye. Perhaps you were only referring more recent consoles.

I know people who have bought the Xbox for Halo, and the Wii for Galaxy. However, we can perhaps at least agree that these people are in the minority.

I don't believe that single games usually sell consoles; I believe lots of epic games sell systems, the fact that is Nintendo don't yet have a single one for Wii U, and there isn't one on your list. I mentioned Mario and Zelda as the 2 epic games, because they are the most likely, a great Starfox game, or a new franchise that is also an epic experience would be fine by me; it just isn't going to happen.

"So no, denouncing an entire list of games to make a point about how there are no games in sight will not further your point, it'll make you look intentionally ignorant in a conversation where I expected you to know things.'
There's no argument here. To my reasoning of why these games aren't system sellers/epic/innovative, you've just said 'You're wrong'. That's as stupid as the ontological argument.

@C7_
"didn't meet it's original intentions in the design doc because of time constraints."
That's a useful working definition of 'unfinished', thank-you.
The omissions in Wind Waker were so very glaringly obvious. Whilst an enjoyable game, it lacked the symmetry of other Zelda titles, and it was clear where dungeons had been cut. Releasing it again without those parts, is well, just breathtaking.

I didn't say Pikmin 3 was in development for time frames which are impossible, I said it was meant for an earlier period.

I don't care about HD graphics, and save a few gimmicks or two, most of Super Mario 3D World could have been done on GameCube. Perhaps not 4 players at once, but really, that's not what I play Mario for. In any case, The graphics in the videos I've seen don't look that amazing.

"apparently having footage and trailers Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2, Smash Bros., Donkey Kong Country, Pikmin 3, SM3DW, Sonic Lost World, Mario Kart 8, Project X, and announcing a massive HD Zelda title as well as Yarn Yoshi and a massive amount of eshop titles in the works justifies the statement "doesn't appear to be anything in sight."
Yep.

In fact, it furthers my point.
Some good games there sure, but none will be system sellers, and neither do they deserve to be (Smash Bros. might have been, if they weren't releasing it on 3DS as well!).
Another Donkey Kong Country game, looks pretty, but not worth expense of a HD console, Mario Kart 8, same, Yarn Yoshi, lazily took concept that worked for Kirby game, and regurgitated it.

To justify buying a Wii U, an epic game, like a big Mario or Zelda is needed, and before Nintendo release that, they should hold on HD remakes.

As for other comments you've made in this thread:
"You honestly said you'd prefer YET ANOTHER Ocarina of Time remake rather than an HD windwaker with more features."
Start reading! That's not what he said.

That they released this game unfinished the first time is bad enough, that they are doing so again is just pathetic.

Wind Waker: Was released on GameCube
Pikmin 3: Originally planned to be on GameCube
Super Mario 3D World: Could have been on GameCube

These all look like good games, but if you're asking people to buy an HD console, you need to provide more.

These kind of games are ok after you've released epic titles after you've shifted a few systems. But right now Nintendo has nothing, there doesn't appear to be anything in sight, and the Wii U looks ridiculous.

Rory Cocker, I am in your debt.

You've said everything that I've stated, wanted to say, and more.

It's a lazy port that is indicative of Nintendo of late.

Looks cool.

This game was first meant for the GameCube, and it shows.

Bring back Yamauchi.

Nintendo is drunk.

@Ristar42
"I'm feeling underwhelmed with the entire 'next gen' of consoles."

Same here.

Nothing controversial here.

Nintendo is aiming for a mainstream market which they just can't maintain. The strategy of playing it safe with 1st party games, and leaving the other developers to innovate is exactly the wrong way round.

When a child pesters their parents for the latest 2D Mario game, at some point mum and dad are going to say 'No, you already have this game, we don't have the money; play Angry Birds on the iPad.'

Nintendo are going back to the situation where they depended on portable console success. Let's face it that's where we're heading, Nintendo making portable consoles that you can also plug into your TV.

The 'playing it safe' argument is erroneous for 2 reasons:
1) The biggest success Nintendo has ever had, the Wii, did not 'play it safe' when it came to games.
2) In troubled times, Nintendo has relied on it's fan base, which simply won't be there if they keep on producing repetitive dross.

If 3rd party developers are abandoning the Wii U, if Nintendo themselves aren't making innovative games, significant numbers of Nintendo fans aren't buying the console, then what is left? Nintendo as a Japan only, handheld only games company.

The Wii U isn't ready yet. Remember when Nintendo released consoles prepared?
-N64: Super Mairo 64, used control scheme extremely well, great game.
-Wii: Wii Sports, utilized control scheme fantastically, and good fun.
-Wii U: NintendoLand. What? A disastrous compromise of trying to please fans and casual gamers. The F-Zero mini-game sums it all up.
Casual Gamer: "What the hell is F-Zero?"
Nintendo Fan: "What the hell is this? I've been wanting to play a real F-Zero game for ages."

@mikeyman64

I think it's quite double-edged. I can't quite imagine playing Ocarina of Time in installments to be honest, but there are lots of games over the years that have for various reasons been cancelled half-way through; I'd have liked the chance to have played at least a part of them.

@metroidoftime

Dickens novels were serialised, and I think most people would consider a few of them as quite 'epic'; I don't think a game being released in installments would necessarily diminish the whole.

The gaming community isn't that fickle, it's just when they call for something, they want it done once.

So if we ask for a 2D Mario, the return of the Tanooki suit, another DKC game, etc. do it once, then move onto developing something else. Not ad infintum.

When we do get an z-Zero, they'll probably release 10 at once.

Region locking for portable consoles is just inexcusable.

Haha, Reggie using the old 'With great power, comes great responsibility' line.

Was more informative than I was expecting.

@Shrapmo

I'm not so sure...

The fact that you cannot find the fossils of every single Pokemon in Mt Moon proves that the theory of evolution is false.

I'm eating a steak dinner right now.

It's Supper Effective!

@Araknie

Not called blackmail.

Looks good.

This is just sad.

Nintendo couldn't develop this one? How long does it really take for them to develop very similar Mario titles, surely they could have spared some time to do this game.

The company is just getting lazy.

I've already played this on the SNES...

If you can't separate art from artist, there is a vast amount that you cannot enjoy.

"as long as there's innovation occurring within the gameplay"
er...

I think at some time Nintendo will come to the point of diminishing returns with the constant 2D Mario titles they're releasing. Parents with set budgets are going to notice that they're pretty much the same, and let their kid play games on the iPad instead.

Current Nintendo policy reminds me of how Disney just produced endless sequels.

Looks really cool.

What were the worst videos like?

Starting to look good.

3DS being region locked was an awful decision.

I quite like this game, but it has been priced far too high for the eshop, considering what it is, and the fact that it has been released so many times before (effectively for free many times).

More of these kind of features please. Would be good to see something similar when Smash Bros. comes out.

There should be an online ranking system.

I wish Nintendo would just declare F-Zero dead and be done with it.

Super Smash Bros. 20 will only contain Mario characters.

I could definitely cope with losing ROB, Toon Link, Pokemon Trainer, Snake, and Ice Climbers.

I really want them to keep King Dedede, Lucario, and Wolf, but out of those I think only the first will survive.

"Consumers don't understand the asymmetric gameplay of Wii U"

In fairness, neither do Nintendo.

@Ulala
Anyone who doesn't see Mario 64 as an open world game that invites exploration hasn't played it properly.

Oh dear.

There are hardly any games, what few there are barely use the gamepad in an effective way at all. This console isn't ready yet. I have faith that it will be, I'm enjoying my 3DS now, but that wasn't ready either.

What is happening with Nintendo releasing consoles before they are ready?

Remember the N64? Comes out with Mario 64, straight away a definitive and groundbreaking game that utilizes the new controller well.

I think it would be good to leave most of the clone characters as downloadable content. That way their eventual inclusion (or exclusion if you don't want to get it) wont upset the balance of the game so much.

Biggest blunder since Virtual Boy?

Has Nintendo ever gone so long without releasing a new epic Mario or Zelda game?

I'd like a Shiek game, that explores what she was doing all that time in Ocarina.

It would be nice if they actually finished making the game this time round.

I prefer the style of this version.

Well, excuuuuuuuuse me, Michael.

@zenarium

I'm not an admin, nor do I technically have the information to answer your question, but I'm quite confident that the 3DS version will have online multiplayer.

If it doesn't, there could well be rioting in the streets.

I still think the first entry is the purest version.

If there is to be less characters in these installments (as was vaguely hinted at, but not confirmed) then I hope the roster and gameplay is more balanced, otherwise it'll be the worst of both worlds.

I haven't been disappointed by the series yet though.

Pacman surely has to be there.

I expect we'll see Nabbit as a character in Mario Kart 8.

3D Land was a good fit for a handheld console, but this looks kind of lazy. Why is '3D' even in the title?

Interesting choice of words. I was most impressed with Tropical Freeze, as I feel the characterizations of the enemies are beginning to rival RARE's design, but my favourite game shown by far was Smash Bros, specifically for the 3DS.

Most, if not all the games revealed, could be achieved, or could have been achieved on 3DS, Wii, or even GameCube.

Oh boy