@bleeflooflah Exactly. Most of the complainers are long-time Nintendo fans that care. It's actually the few people that defend anything they do unconditionally the jarring part, because Nintendo wasn't like this until recently.
@molkom That's another thing I dislike, all the accessories are overpriced! The DS, DSi, 3DS and Wii U had a camera built in, the extra accessory should be optional for docked mode. After Wii, I promised myself that I would stop collecting Nintendo accessories. I even use an Xbox controller to play on Switch, with an adapter. Actually, now that I think about it, I loved Nintendo handhelds because you didn't need anything else... Switch. Now they're a combination of home, handheld, not excelling at any (2-hour battery) and with more accessories than Wii, and more expensive.
@KidSparta I will watch it for sure and let's hope it brings good news. The water and flying sections in Mario Mart 7 and 8 were a mere gimmick (like the anti-gravity but I was ready for that). So far, here they look the same, straight, extremely simple and almost automatic. If only they were like in Diddly Kong Racing and Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed!
@mikegamer Exactly! What's the point when the open world is just lanes linking the circuits? It's not like it looks like Forza Horizon with a ton of content in the world. This was the perfect opportunity to make a Nintendo amusement park or a real Mario world within a game. Too much work for Nintendo, I guess.
@Bizaster Besides, those excuses would apply to the hardware, but not the software, because Nintendo's development is relatively cheap (Mario Mart World included) and they outsource many games with tight budgets. They just can't justify the price of the games, which is exactly why they admitted they chose what they consider right. It's obvious that the success of Switch has influenced all these decisions, like the paid upgrades, but it remains to be seen what the results will be after the early sales. Not every Switch buyer was an unconditional fan of Nintendo, we all know that.
@molkom I'm not unhappy and I can afford most things I like. On the Nintendo Switch 2 thread, I answered that question in the most objective manner I am able to. I posted the three mistakes that this hardware configuration has. Here, I'm just stating my opinion on the topic in a honest way, like I always do. Actually, it's Nintendo's anti-consumer decisions what I find more disturbing, those that are being discussed everywhere as we speak.
@Dr_Awkward They don't, economists study both incomes and expenses. Always. Inflation is how the price of things change. Every single thing is purchased with money that comes from salaries (or your own business). Actually, inflation is limited by the buying power to a certain degree, they're completely related, and the difference is also studied.
@Dr_Awkward If you discuss inflation isolated, there is literally zero meaning in it. Salary increase is another average, but using just one of them is absolutely pointless. That's why people discuss not just inflation but salaries.
@teo_o You are absolutely right. I mentioned that on the Nintendo Switch 2 thread, that the Final Fantasy VII Remake has the lighting of the Intergrade version. It doesn't mean that Switch 2 is at PS5's level, but the general conclusions are that Switch 2 is at PS4's level, e.g., when comparing Cyberpunk 2077 and Hogwarts Legacy. They compared Metroid Prime 4 with an Xbox 360 game and explained that's the reason it's 4K [EDITED: now it's reported to be 1440p] 60fps on Switch 2.
Like you said, Digital Foundry works with what they have and are very careful with their wording. We can expect many more details and a tear-down once they physically have the console in their hands.
@Jprhino84 Wrong. Watch both directs. I did. 3 hours together, but worth it. I know much more now because of them. They compare Nintendo Switch 2's power (in docked mode!) to PS4 not once but several times and also with Steam Deck. They also discard the 10x more powerful than Switch claims. Still, some people here compares it to a PS5/Series X and even beyond (10th generation)!
@sixrings #52 Absolutely right. While Thomas Morgan makes poor videos, Richard, John and Ollie are the most reliable of the bunch and are the three that did these directs about Switch 2. Richard was also the first person in the industry to check the Series X in person and he did a great job reporting its capabilities accurately. On the other hand, people disregarding them don't provide any objective reasoning other than quoting random youtubers. The only mistake I detected in these two directs (3 hours together) was forgetting about Wii U Chat.
@Altaria_97 Right. Nintendo used to have cutting-edge consoles until the Gamecube, so that also has to be considered. Switch 2 is not a PS5 and PS Portal built together like the user above said. Nintendo is marketing old mobile technology and gimmicks these days.
@Jester676 They used every footage available though and compared the resolution, performance and graphical detail. I recommend you watching both directs analysing the console. Richard is someone that anyone with common sense respects. Switch 2 equals roughly a PS4 in docked mode in terms of results, less in handheld mode. Compared to Steam Deck, Switch 2 is slightly more capable in docked mode, but less capable in handheld mode.
@sixrings @Overzeal According to Digital Foundry, Switch 2 is more like a PS4 in docked mode, with handheld mode being less capable. Certainly, not a next-gen console.
@darkswabber Not just that, but the inflation doesn't affect all products equally, but it's an average. Food and petrol are the most affected products and both are considered essential (petrol will not once all cars are electric).
Highlighting the adjusted prices in bold is misleading. Do we really expect to pay as much difference on food and on technology between 1985 and 2025? I don't remember my parents considering the SNES that expensive in the 90s. Actually, it was a good deal. The Neo Geo, on the other hand...
@fenlix Because it's Nintendo, when the culprit is anybody else they use their common sense. I'm not going to defend Sony because they became arrogant and greedy after the success of PS4, just like Nintendo with Switch, but like you said that price is for a bundle, so the comparison only makes sense if Nintendo offered a bundle with Breath of the Wild, the DLC and Tears of the Kingdom for $100, and still I wouldn't think it's amazing value considering they are charging $50 for each game (same for Sony). $70 for a Wii U game with the DLC excluded is ridiculous. Even more for Wii U owners that already have that version and the DLC, including myself.
@Warioware That's one of the reasons I prefer Virtual Console and SNES Mini rather than Nintendo Online Classics. My Wii U and Nintendo 3DS are packed with classic content. 😊
@Stwert Compression is a very interesting topic to discuss and something that has been massively overlooked on Switch. There are games that are better on Wii U than on Switch in terms of soundtrack and graphics, not to mention more recent ports. There is no wizardry on Switch nor impossible ports, just tons of compression and downgrades. I think Nintendo raised the price of the cartridges on Switch 2, that were already expensive on Switch compared to similar memory cards, so we are not going to see many games with the full game in the cartridge, unless they are first-party, that are usually small games, anyway. If that means that games will be less compressed remains to be seen.
@1day Digital Foundry talked about the old chip technology and size and speculated on a revision with a smaller chip size and a bigger battery. Not only a bigger battery brings more battery life, but a smaller chip technology is even more important, as the second version of Switch proves. In my opinion, it was a mistake choosing an old big size chip and a small battery for the launch model at this price.
@Guitario A price drop might happen. It wouldn't be the first time, but if the inflation excuses coming from fans reach Nintendo's ears, they might increase the price instead and, at this rate, more expensive to develop games by third parties might be sold at $150 or so.
the xbox series s is not native 4K but can upscale, its not the same. Nintendo switch 2 is capable of running native 4K60.
That is false. As an example, Ori and the Will of Wisps runs at native 4K, 60FPS with HDR on Series S. More examples of native 4K on Series S: Hades, The Touryst, Crysis Remastered, Evil Dead, Mass Effect Legendary Edition, Mortal Shell, The Rift Breaker, Wreckfest, Red Dead Redemption, The Falconeer, the two Kingdom Hearts collections...
@Porco @SillyG Right, the Zelda open-world games for instance can't run at 4K but 1440p on Switch 2. Metroid Prime 4 is a 1440p 60fps game that equals a Xbox 360 game in technical terms and I say this while being my most anticipated Nintendo game for years, besides a new Wave Race. At the end of the day, Switch 2 only impress compared to Switch 1 bar battery life, which is perfectly fine for some people, just not a powerhouse for that price.
@mikejs78 Look, I share the excitement about new hardware and I can't wait to see more games running on it, but it's important to have your feet on the ground.
To disregard Digital Foundry, that are unbiased (at least Richard, John and Ollie) and whose job is to analyse video games is something that only makes things worse. It's something that some Nintendo fans do just because Nintendo's hardware is weaker. Let's not forget that Digital Foundry favoured Wii U back in the day, for the little while it was barely the most powerful console. If it wasn't for them, there would be even more corporate bs, and there is a lot already. The more objective information, the better for everyone. Some developers have reacted to their videos and patched their games accordingly. Incidentally, they play an important role in this industry.
"How can you say Switch 2 isn't able to do anything at that level?"
Because it's technically impossible. It's not even capable of matching the graphical settings of PS4 in Hogwarts Legacy and the frame rate does not even reach 30fps smoothly. Wait until a current-gen that is not cross-gen is released for Switch 2 and then see what the next generation coming in two years according to rumours means in terms of third-party games on Switch 2. I'm willing to see everything it brings, but what do you think those specifications will bring using 10 watts in handheld mode? Nintendo's games will be better optimised naturally, but there were no Nintendo Switch miracles, but technically dated games running on dated hardware, or massively downgraded third-party ports.
Everybody is entitled to love, hate or something in between a new product, but the important thing is to know what it is and then make your own decisions, that don't need to match everyone else's. For instance, you can love Switch 2, your neighbour hate it, both are right and that really shouldn't matter to you. You still can be friends. I am an whole-life Nintendo fan myself and don't love everything Nintendo does.
@mikejs78 There is no game that looks better on Switch 2 than on Series S, unless you mean the Series S version of Street Fighter VI that has a texture glitch? Series S runs demanding current-gen games like Alan Wake 2 decently. Switch 2 is not able to do anything at that level.
Every single port that has been shown running on Switch 2 has a last-generation version and the graphics look similar to the last generation. Some Switch 2 ports have updated the lighting, like Final Fantasy VII Remake for example, but the performance and graphical level of all the ports is in PS4 territory, sometimes even worse, e.g., Hogwarts Legacy, and all of this in docked mode.
It is impossible for Switch 2 to match the capabilities of any current-gen console. If it gets current-gen (not cross-gen) games later on, e.g., Alan Wake 2, they are going to be massively downgraded, let alone games developed for the next-gen PS and Xbox consoles, arriving in 2027 according to the rumours.
By the way, they used captured footage, they didn't bring a Handycam and recorded a screen. 😅 I didn't watch the videos on my phone, but on my OLED 55" TV.
@HeadPirate I find your perspective completely reasonable. As a home console is roughly a 2013 console. It's a better deal as a handheld. However, the downsides of Switch 2 as a handheld that I see, more expensive games aside and that being of great importance in the long term, is the battery life and that the screen, while supporting VRR and 120Hz, is not as good as some expected: not OLED nor nano LED. Chip nm and storage figures aren't great either. The battery being small and the console draining 10 watts also mean significant underclocking. What I mean is that the top features of a handheld aren't that great on Switch 2, although it is a huge improvement compared to Switch, but that was already dated when it launched in 2017.
@ElkinFencer10 There are some mistakes in that Series S and Switch 2 comparison. Switch 2 is much less powerful than Series S in terms of performance and graphical capabilities. Digital Foundry compares Switch 2 (docked) with base PS4. It will be less capable than PS4 in handheld mode because it only consumes 10 watts. This is important also when compared to the other handheld consoles/PCs that use more power because they have better batteries.
Both Series S and Switch 2 can technically run games in 4K. Technically. The only comparison between the two that favours Switch 2 is literally that the Series S version of Street Fighter VI has a texture glitch that the Switch 2 version doesn't have. That aside, there is a massive difference between the two consoles.
While Series S runs current-gen games like Alan Wake 2 decently, one of the most demanding games of the current generation and without a last-gen version, Switch 2 runs PS4/Xbox One/Switch ports, e.g., Hogwarts Legacy with slightly worse graphics than PS4 and with a choppy sub-30 frame rate. Metroid Prime 4 can run in 4K 60fps on Switch 2 because it's a 900p 60fps Switch game. It's not Nintendo's magic either, it's a game that can be compared to Halo 4 (Xbox 360) in technical terms (lightning, scope, texture quality, complexity, elements, polygons...) All this doesn't come from my brain, but from the two Digital Foundry directs about the console (around 3 hours together that I have watched).
@Bushi I think that the prices in USA are not definitive yet and there are no pre-orders, at least that's what was reported until yesterday, but typically the USA and EU Nintendo numbers match and in EU the price of Mario Kart World is €90, so maybe someone said that means $90 based on that. Then, the taxes in USA are not included in the price, as opposed to EU, but the conversion is not 1:1 either (€90 = $100). In short, ridiculously expensive in EU and let's see in USA. The price of the console is €470.
@Coversnail Right. In terms of results and with a mobile architecture, it's around base PS4 level, according to the exhaustive analysis of Digital Foundry. They also fear that it will be worse in handheld mode, the chips being underclocked to be able to run games consuming 10watts (because the battery is small), so it's expected to run games worse than PS4 and the original Steam Deck in handheld mode.
@Strumpan Right. I don't know what games are $90, but in EU Mario Kart costs €90 (€20 more than Tears of the Kingdom on Switch). Also, no idea why the other user tags me when I didn't say anything about pricing until now.
I guess yes because it supports the Gamecube adapter that is wired, but I was wondering if Switch 2 supports third-party USB adapters because that's how I use an Xbox controller to play on Switch.
@8bit-Man I understand. I would add that an open world in Mario Kart could have been interesting with story content and a proper lively Mario world with stuff going on, e.g., a fusion of Mario Kart and a Nintendo amusement park. I don't care about the circuits being connected with each other by lanes and meeting my online "friends" somewhere in between to take a picture of our characters. So, this open world in particular is half-baked and it seems to be fluff to justify the title "World" and the higher price. The number of circuits is not great and I expect Nintendo to release additional content not included in its so-called higher value product.
@Dev-N I agree. If I didn't have a Switch and a Series X I would consider getting a Switch 2 despite the things I'm seeing and not liking. In between, Yoshi's Woolly World is one of my favourite games on Wii U.
@jfp Sorry but you can't convince me. Nintendo is greedy and disrespectful towards their fans and I only need to compare them with the efforts made by the other developers in the industry. Nintendo don't need to pay royalties nor extra money for the cartridges and they don't spend as much in development, yet they want to charge more than anyone else for less.
@jfp What about the two Zelda games? It's just a resolution and frame rate update that should be free, especially since the original hardware was too weak to run them properly because Nintendo made Switch weak and relatively expensive on purpose. Third parties and Microsoft offer those upgrades for free on better hardware. Also, the extra content is just an excuse to repackage Switch games. Of course, the full-price Wii U ports on Switch are also greedy. They are doing the same now, but I think it's cheekier now. Who was expecting to pay extra for Breath of the Wild running better on Switch 2?
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Re: Talking Point: How Does Switch 2's Launch Price Compare To Past Nintendo Systems?
@bleeflooflah Exactly. Most of the complainers are long-time Nintendo fans that care. It's actually the few people that defend anything they do unconditionally the jarring part, because Nintendo wasn't like this until recently.
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@Paulo Very good points. On Switch 2, no free game but paid manual and upgrades.
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@WiiWareWave And you are right!
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@sixrings He means the other guy.
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@molkom That's another thing I dislike, all the accessories are overpriced! The DS, DSi, 3DS and Wii U had a camera built in, the extra accessory should be optional for docked mode. After Wii, I promised myself that I would stop collecting Nintendo accessories. I even use an Xbox controller to play on Switch, with an adapter. Actually, now that I think about it, I loved Nintendo handhelds because you didn't need anything else... Switch. Now they're a combination of home, handheld, not excelling at any (2-hour battery) and with more accessories than Wii, and more expensive.
Re: Digital Foundry Digs Deep Into Mario Kart World's Tech And Specs
@KidSparta I will watch it for sure and let's hope it brings good news. The water and flying sections in Mario Mart 7 and 8 were a mere gimmick (like the anti-gravity but I was ready for that). So far, here they look the same, straight, extremely simple and almost automatic. If only they were like in Diddly Kong Racing and Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed!
Re: Digital Foundry Digs Deep Into Mario Kart World's Tech And Specs
@mikegamer Exactly! What's the point when the open world is just lanes linking the circuits? It's not like it looks like Forza Horizon with a ton of content in the world. This was the perfect opportunity to make a Nintendo amusement park or a real Mario world within a game. Too much work for Nintendo, I guess.
Re: Talking Point: How Does Switch 2's Launch Price Compare To Past Nintendo Systems?
@Bizaster Besides, those excuses would apply to the hardware, but not the software, because Nintendo's development is relatively cheap (Mario Mart World included) and they outsource many games with tight budgets. They just can't justify the price of the games, which is exactly why they admitted they chose what they consider right. It's obvious that the success of Switch has influenced all these decisions, like the paid upgrades, but it remains to be seen what the results will be after the early sales. Not every Switch buyer was an unconditional fan of Nintendo, we all know that.
Re: Talking Point: How Does Switch 2's Launch Price Compare To Past Nintendo Systems?
@molkom I'm not unhappy and I can afford most things I like. On the Nintendo Switch 2 thread, I answered that question in the most objective manner I am able to. I posted the three mistakes that this hardware configuration has. Here, I'm just stating my opinion on the topic in a honest way, like I always do. Actually, it's Nintendo's anti-consumer decisions what I find more disturbing, those that are being discussed everywhere as we speak.
Re: Talking Point: How Does Switch 2's Launch Price Compare To Past Nintendo Systems?
@Dr_Awkward They don't, economists study both incomes and expenses. Always. Inflation is how the price of things change. Every single thing is purchased with money that comes from salaries (or your own business). Actually, inflation is limited by the buying power to a certain degree, they're completely related, and the difference is also studied.
Re: Talking Point: How Does Switch 2's Launch Price Compare To Past Nintendo Systems?
@sixrings LOL It's unbelievable how the simplest things in life have to be explained so extensively.
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@Dr_Awkward If you discuss inflation isolated, there is literally zero meaning in it. Salary increase is another average, but using just one of them is absolutely pointless. That's why people discuss not just inflation but salaries.
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@teo_o You are absolutely right. I mentioned that on the Nintendo Switch 2 thread, that the Final Fantasy VII Remake has the lighting of the Intergrade version. It doesn't mean that Switch 2 is at PS5's level, but the general conclusions are that Switch 2 is at PS4's level, e.g., when comparing Cyberpunk 2077 and Hogwarts Legacy. They compared Metroid Prime 4 with an Xbox 360 game and explained that's the reason it's 4K [EDITED: now it's reported to be 1440p] 60fps on Switch 2.
Like you said, Digital Foundry works with what they have and are very careful with their wording. We can expect many more details and a tear-down once they physically have the console in their hands.
Re: Talking Point: How Does Switch 2's Launch Price Compare To Past Nintendo Systems?
@Jprhino84 Wrong. Watch both directs. I did. 3 hours together, but worth it. I know much more now because of them. They compare Nintendo Switch 2's power (in docked mode!) to PS4 not once but several times and also with Steam Deck. They also discard the 10x more powerful than Switch claims. Still, some people here compares it to a PS5/Series X and even beyond (10th generation)!
Re: Zelda: BOTW Switch 2 Edition Won't Include The DLC, Nintendo Confirms
@splinters
"Will the DLC share the graphical improvements as the base game?"
Yes because the only upgrade they get is a resolution and frame rate boost. It's just a very simple patch to apply.
"Are the two Zelda Switch 2 Editions yours to keep forever, even if your NSO expires after your free upgrade?"
No. You will lose access to the improvements when your subscription expires or the service is discontinued someday in the future.
Re: Talking Point: How Does Switch 2's Launch Price Compare To Past Nintendo Systems?
@sixrings #52 Absolutely right. While Thomas Morgan makes poor videos, Richard, John and Ollie are the most reliable of the bunch and are the three that did these directs about Switch 2. Richard was also the first person in the industry to check the Series X in person and he did a great job reporting its capabilities accurately. On the other hand, people disregarding them don't provide any objective reasoning other than quoting random youtubers. The only mistake I detected in these two directs (3 hours together) was forgetting about Wii U Chat.
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@Altaria_97 Right. Nintendo used to have cutting-edge consoles until the Gamecube, so that also has to be considered. Switch 2 is not a PS5 and PS Portal built together like the user above said. Nintendo is marketing old mobile technology and gimmicks these days.
Re: Talking Point: How Does Switch 2's Launch Price Compare To Past Nintendo Systems?
@sixrings
Switch 2 uses ancient 8nm technology and a "custom" chip that supposedly is dated like the Switch one was in 2017, so not much.
Re: Talking Point: How Does Switch 2's Launch Price Compare To Past Nintendo Systems?
@Jester676 They used every footage available though and compared the resolution, performance and graphical detail. I recommend you watching both directs analysing the console. Richard is someone that anyone with common sense respects. Switch 2 equals roughly a PS4 in docked mode in terms of results, less in handheld mode. Compared to Steam Deck, Switch 2 is slightly more capable in docked mode, but less capable in handheld mode.
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@N8tiveT3ch I only had to do some easy errands for my parents to get the SNES and they didn't pay me a fortune. 😂
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@sixrings @Overzeal According to Digital Foundry, Switch 2 is more like a PS4 in docked mode, with handheld mode being less capable. Certainly, not a next-gen console.
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@darkswabber Not just that, but the inflation doesn't affect all products equally, but it's an average. Food and petrol are the most affected products and both are considered essential (petrol will not once all cars are electric).
Highlighting the adjusted prices in bold is misleading. Do we really expect to pay as much difference on food and on technology between 1985 and 2025? I don't remember my parents considering the SNES that expensive in the 90s. Actually, it was a good deal. The Neo Geo, on the other hand...
Re: Zelda: BOTW Switch 2 Edition Won't Include The DLC, Nintendo Confirms
@fenlix Because it's Nintendo, when the culprit is anybody else they use their common sense. I'm not going to defend Sony because they became arrogant and greedy after the success of PS4, just like Nintendo with Switch, but like you said that price is for a bundle, so the comparison only makes sense if Nintendo offered a bundle with Breath of the Wild, the DLC and Tears of the Kingdom for $100, and still I wouldn't think it's amazing value considering they are charging $50 for each game (same for Sony). $70 for a Wii U game with the DLC excluded is ridiculous. Even more for Wii U owners that already have that version and the DLC, including myself.
Re: Zelda: BOTW Switch 2 Edition Won't Include The DLC, Nintendo Confirms
@Warioware That's one of the reasons I prefer Virtual Console and SNES Mini rather than Nintendo Online Classics. My Wii U and Nintendo 3DS are packed with classic content. 😊
Re: Zelda: BOTW Switch 2 Edition Won't Include The DLC, Nintendo Confirms
@Warioware You lose access to the DLC and you also will when the service is discontinued eventually.
Re: Zelda: BOTW Switch 2 Edition Won't Include The DLC, Nintendo Confirms
@Stwert Compression is a very interesting topic to discuss and something that has been massively overlooked on Switch. There are games that are better on Wii U than on Switch in terms of soundtrack and graphics, not to mention more recent ports. There is no wizardry on Switch nor impossible ports, just tons of compression and downgrades. I think Nintendo raised the price of the cartridges on Switch 2, that were already expensive on Switch compared to similar memory cards, so we are not going to see many games with the full game in the cartridge, unless they are first-party, that are usually small games, anyway. If that means that games will be less compressed remains to be seen.
Re: Zelda: BOTW Switch 2 Edition Won't Include The DLC, Nintendo Confirms
Thank you, Nintendo, for all the consumer-friendly decisions regarding Switch 2.
Your fans
Re: Opinion: The Switch 2 Is A Powerhouse For The Price
@1day Digital Foundry talked about the old chip technology and size and speculated on a revision with a smaller chip size and a bigger battery. Not only a bigger battery brings more battery life, but a smaller chip technology is even more important, as the second version of Switch proves. In my opinion, it was a mistake choosing an old big size chip and a small battery for the launch model at this price.
Re: Opinion: The Switch 2 Is A Powerhouse For The Price
@NinChocolate I'm sure that Nintendo struck a good deal with Nvidia after the Switch business, on top of the selected chips being dated.
Re: Opinion: The Switch 2 Is A Powerhouse For The Price
@NinChocolate Nvidia is expensive, but Switch relies on dated 8nm chips which are much cheaper.
Re: Opinion: The Switch 2 Is A Powerhouse For The Price
@Guitario A price drop might happen. It wouldn't be the first time, but if the inflation excuses coming from fans reach Nintendo's ears, they might increase the price instead and, at this rate, more expensive to develop games by third parties might be sold at $150 or so.
Re: Opinion: The Switch 2 Is A Powerhouse For The Price
@DonierGunad
That is false. As an example, Ori and the Will of Wisps runs at native 4K, 60FPS with HDR on Series S. More examples of native 4K on Series S: Hades, The Touryst, Crysis Remastered, Evil Dead, Mass Effect Legendary Edition, Mortal Shell, The Rift Breaker, Wreckfest, Red Dead Redemption, The Falconeer, the two Kingdom Hearts collections...
Re: Opinion: The Switch 2 Is A Powerhouse For The Price
@Porco @SillyG Right, the Zelda open-world games for instance can't run at 4K but 1440p on Switch 2. Metroid Prime 4 is a 1440p 60fps game that equals a Xbox 360 game in technical terms and I say this while being my most anticipated Nintendo game for years, besides a new Wave Race. At the end of the day, Switch 2 only impress compared to Switch 1 bar battery life, which is perfectly fine for some people, just not a powerhouse for that price.
Re: Opinion: The Switch 2 Is A Powerhouse For The Price
@Duncanballs That's exactly why most people are complaining about the price of Switch 2 games.
Re: Opinion: The Switch 2 Is A Powerhouse For The Price
@mikejs78 Look, I share the excitement about new hardware and I can't wait to see more games running on it, but it's important to have your feet on the ground.
To disregard Digital Foundry, that are unbiased (at least Richard, John and Ollie) and whose job is to analyse video games is something that only makes things worse. It's something that some Nintendo fans do just because Nintendo's hardware is weaker. Let's not forget that Digital Foundry favoured Wii U back in the day, for the little while it was barely the most powerful console. If it wasn't for them, there would be even more corporate bs, and there is a lot already. The more objective information, the better for everyone. Some developers have reacted to their videos and patched their games accordingly. Incidentally, they play an important role in this industry.
"How can you say Switch 2 isn't able to do anything at that level?"
Because it's technically impossible. It's not even capable of matching the graphical settings of PS4 in Hogwarts Legacy and the frame rate does not even reach 30fps smoothly. Wait until a current-gen that is not cross-gen is released for Switch 2 and then see what the next generation coming in two years according to rumours means in terms of third-party games on Switch 2. I'm willing to see everything it brings, but what do you think those specifications will bring using 10 watts in handheld mode? Nintendo's games will be better optimised naturally, but there were no Nintendo Switch miracles, but technically dated games running on dated hardware, or massively downgraded third-party ports.
Everybody is entitled to love, hate or something in between a new product, but the important thing is to know what it is and then make your own decisions, that don't need to match everyone else's. For instance, you can love Switch 2, your neighbour hate it, both are right and that really shouldn't matter to you. You still can be friends. I am an whole-life Nintendo fan myself and don't love everything Nintendo does.
Re: Opinion: The Switch 2 Is A Powerhouse For The Price
@mikejs78 There is no game that looks better on Switch 2 than on Series S, unless you mean the Series S version of Street Fighter VI that has a texture glitch? Series S runs demanding current-gen games like Alan Wake 2 decently. Switch 2 is not able to do anything at that level.
Every single port that has been shown running on Switch 2 has a last-generation version and the graphics look similar to the last generation. Some Switch 2 ports have updated the lighting, like Final Fantasy VII Remake for example, but the performance and graphical level of all the ports is in PS4 territory, sometimes even worse, e.g., Hogwarts Legacy, and all of this in docked mode.
It is impossible for Switch 2 to match the capabilities of any current-gen console. If it gets current-gen (not cross-gen) games later on, e.g., Alan Wake 2, they are going to be massively downgraded, let alone games developed for the next-gen PS and Xbox consoles, arriving in 2027 according to the rumours.
By the way, they used captured footage, they didn't bring a Handycam and recorded a screen. 😅 I didn't watch the videos on my phone, but on my OLED 55" TV.
Re: Opinion: The Switch 2 Is A Powerhouse For The Price
@HeadPirate I find your perspective completely reasonable. As a home console is roughly a 2013 console. It's a better deal as a handheld. However, the downsides of Switch 2 as a handheld that I see, more expensive games aside and that being of great importance in the long term, is the battery life and that the screen, while supporting VRR and 120Hz, is not as good as some expected: not OLED nor nano LED. Chip nm and storage figures aren't great either. The battery being small and the console draining 10 watts also mean significant underclocking. What I mean is that the top features of a handheld aren't that great on Switch 2, although it is a huge improvement compared to Switch, but that was already dated when it launched in 2017.
Re: Opinion: The Switch 2 Is A Powerhouse For The Price
@ElkinFencer10 There are some mistakes in that Series S and Switch 2 comparison. Switch 2 is much less powerful than Series S in terms of performance and graphical capabilities. Digital Foundry compares Switch 2 (docked) with base PS4. It will be less capable than PS4 in handheld mode because it only consumes 10 watts. This is important also when compared to the other handheld consoles/PCs that use more power because they have better batteries.
Both Series S and Switch 2 can technically run games in 4K. Technically. The only comparison between the two that favours Switch 2 is literally that the Series S version of Street Fighter VI has a texture glitch that the Switch 2 version doesn't have. That aside, there is a massive difference between the two consoles.
While Series S runs current-gen games like Alan Wake 2 decently, one of the most demanding games of the current generation and without a last-gen version, Switch 2 runs PS4/Xbox One/Switch ports, e.g., Hogwarts Legacy with slightly worse graphics than PS4 and with a choppy sub-30 frame rate. Metroid Prime 4 can run in 4K 60fps on Switch 2 because it's a 900p 60fps Switch game. It's not Nintendo's magic either, it's a game that can be compared to Halo 4 (Xbox 360) in technical terms (lightning, scope, texture quality, complexity, elements, polygons...) All this doesn't come from my brain, but from the two Digital Foundry directs about the console (around 3 hours together that I have watched).
Re: Opinion: The Switch 2 Is A Powerhouse For The Price
@Bushi I think that the prices in USA are not definitive yet and there are no pre-orders, at least that's what was reported until yesterday, but typically the USA and EU Nintendo numbers match and in EU the price of Mario Kart World is €90, so maybe someone said that means $90 based on that. Then, the taxes in USA are not included in the price, as opposed to EU, but the conversion is not 1:1 either (€90 = $100). In short, ridiculously expensive in EU and let's see in USA. The price of the console is €470.
Re: Opinion: The Switch 2 Is A Powerhouse For The Price
@Coversnail Right. In terms of results and with a mobile architecture, it's around base PS4 level, according to the exhaustive analysis of Digital Foundry. They also fear that it will be worse in handheld mode, the chips being underclocked to be able to run games consuming 10watts (because the battery is small), so it's expected to run games worse than PS4 and the original Steam Deck in handheld mode.
Re: Opinion: The Switch 2 Is A Powerhouse For The Price
@Strumpan Right. I don't know what games are $90, but in EU Mario Kart costs €90 (€20 more than Tears of the Kingdom on Switch). Also, no idea why the other user tags me when I didn't say anything about pricing until now.
Re: Opinion: The Switch 2 Is A Powerhouse For The Price
The two Digital Foundry directs about Switch 2 are worth watching, if you want to hear a realistic, unbiased analysis.
Re: Community: What Questions About Switch 2 Do You Still Have For Nintendo?
I guess yes because it supports the Gamecube adapter that is wired, but I was wondering if Switch 2 supports third-party USB adapters because that's how I use an Xbox controller to play on Switch.
Re: Nintendo Understands Switch Owners May Not Be "Ready To Jump To Switch 2"
@ChakraStomps I think you're replying to the wrong person. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I have never talked to you.
Re: Switch 2 GameChat Choppy Frame Rate Explained By Nintendo
Next statement: We decided to use magnets to fix the wobble.
Re: Nintendo Comments On Mario Kart World's Controversial Price
@8bit-Man I understand. I would add that an open world in Mario Kart could have been interesting with story content and a proper lively Mario world with stuff going on, e.g., a fusion of Mario Kart and a Nintendo amusement park. I don't care about the circuits being connected with each other by lanes and meeting my online "friends" somewhere in between to take a picture of our characters. So, this open world in particular is half-baked and it seems to be fluff to justify the title "World" and the higher price. The number of circuits is not great and I expect Nintendo to release additional content not included in its so-called higher value product.
Re: Nintendo Understands Switch Owners May Not Be "Ready To Jump To Switch 2"
@Dev-N I agree. If I didn't have a Switch and a Series X I would consider getting a Switch 2 despite the things I'm seeing and not liking. In between, Yoshi's Woolly World is one of my favourite games on Wii U.
Re: Nintendo Understands Switch Owners May Not Be "Ready To Jump To Switch 2"
@jfp And I respect that because you respect me. 😊
Re: Nintendo Understands Switch Owners May Not Be "Ready To Jump To Switch 2"
@jfp Sorry but you can't convince me. Nintendo is greedy and disrespectful towards their fans and I only need to compare them with the efforts made by the other developers in the industry. Nintendo don't need to pay royalties nor extra money for the cartridges and they don't spend as much in development, yet they want to charge more than anyone else for less.
Re: Nintendo Understands Switch Owners May Not Be "Ready To Jump To Switch 2"
@jfp What about the two Zelda games? It's just a resolution and frame rate update that should be free, especially since the original hardware was too weak to run them properly because Nintendo made Switch weak and relatively expensive on purpose. Third parties and Microsoft offer those upgrades for free on better hardware. Also, the extra content is just an excuse to repackage Switch games. Of course, the full-price Wii U ports on Switch are also greedy. They are doing the same now, but I think it's cheekier now. Who was expecting to pay extra for Breath of the Wild running better on Switch 2?