ARMS Update Adds LAN Play and Arena Mode

WooHoo... !!!
Max Brass !
Now, I will use Springman / Byte & Barq / Max Brass oftenly as Boys characters.
Of course, I will not forget about Ribbon Girl.

Why did they make accessing the LAN mode so convoluted?

And so it begins...

Local and LAN? The confusion.

And it's typical Nintendo making it hard to find things!

I really hope they add more outfits for the fighters or some form of character customisation . It's such a basic feature that all other fighters have on launch (if minimally at first) and I fail to see why ARMS shouldn't have it.

@BornInNorway81 In this case, LAN is wired local area, "local" is wireless local area.

@BornInNorway81 Local is using one Switch console. LAN is using multiple Switch consoles.

@BornInNorway81 Maybe Local is Splitscreen mode on same Switch console and then with LAN play mode is multiple Switch consoles in private LAN.

@Jeronan @Muez No, local is with multiple Switches connected through a wireless connection. LAN is that every Switch is in the dock and they each have a wired connection to the same router.

@Meuz @Jeronan
No and no. Local is wireless local play with multiple switches. LAN is wired local play with multiple switches.

So what Nintendo mean is LAN and WLAN. Why call it Local if what they mean is WLAN?

This tells me Nintendo ain't kidding about esports.

We should all be thankful to Nintendo for making these massive updates free and future upcoming updates free too.

@John_Mcclane Welcome to 2017, glad you could join us. Games devouring storage space with patches and updates and forced installations has been an issue in this industry for a good decade now.

This doesn't help anyone unless everyone has a copy of Arms. In other words, if two people in the same household own a switch and would like to play each other, that family must own two copies of arms. I called Nintendo 1-800-255-3700 and told them that they're advertising is very misleading. I also expressed my displeasure that there's no web browser, Virtual Consol, YouTube or Netflix apps. I also had to argue with them for an extended amount of time about my Joy Cons disconnecting. I have owned my Switch since lunch. They charged me $112 for a new set of Joy Cons.

@John_Mcclane It's a 110MB patch, and I presume some of that space in future patches is an even swap (meaning if the next patch is 150MB, some percentage, maybe 50-70MB may just be replacing data from this patch rather than just consecutively adding. New maps and things will definitely add more size though.

But I don't think we have to worry with Arms, the whole game is 2.2GB, and the first patch is 110MB. This isn't Playstation were 20+GB patches are common

@Bengals76 You... do realize you can go to any store and BUY a new pair for $80 right?

@Bengals76 Err, requiring two copies to play local multiplayer is standard on all consoles and handhelds, and for well over a decade and a half has been standard on PC as well. The days of multiple installs is long over. 3DS provided the Download Play feature on select games, and that was WONDERFUL, but rare. Most other console games (and even a majority of PC games these days) don't even HAVE a LAN option, all play must be online.

As for Switch and ARMS, it supports split screen local multiplayer, both in docked TV mode and in tabletop mode. If you don't want to buy two copies of the game, the game already has a way for not just two but FOUR people to play together locally, lag-free. Playing handheld with two screens and/or two Switches and two copies of the game is a luxurious convenience however.

Nothing misleading about the advertising for a game that gives 4 separate ways to play with others (split screen TV, split screen tabletop, local wired/wireless with other consoles that have a copy, and online with other consoles that have a copy...) Especially in a day and age where most games give only ONE way (online, only.)

And why would they charge you $112 for $80 JoyCons you can walk into any GameStop, Best Buy, Target, Toys R' Us or Walmart and buy a grey set? Heck even AMAZON has been getting them in stock (grey only.) Are you sure you called Nintendo?

Ha ha, my wife and 7 year old consistently own me in ARMS. I've had to pull out Mario Kart on more than one occasion to save some face.

@Moshugan Most likely because only Hardcore player will even consider using LAN Mode and non-traditional gamers will just get confused.

@NEStalgia
Nintendo would not sell me a set of Joy-Cons, I had to purchase the left and right separately($49.99 each) the rest was tax and or shipping.

@link3710
I do now. Nintendo would not sell me a set together. I had to purchase the left and right separately $49.99 each. Why should I have to pay anything? These Joy-Con are defective! Nintendos customer service is terrible!!!

Good on the wired LAN implementation, at least it seems Nintendo is starting to get serious about ARMS being an upstart newbie for tournament consideration. You can't quite go all the way unless the controllers are wired too, though. Even milliseconds of input delay can make a difference at the highest levels.

@Bengals76 That makes some sense actually. Unlike Nintendo UK, NoA (nintendo.com) doesn't offer their own retail sales/online sales directly at all. The service department sells parts (which is also on the website) and occasional refurbs, but not new product retail sales of any kind.

So, that was, of course the service department. They set up RMA repairs, they're not a retailer, so if you ordered through them I'm guessing your ordered as parts rather than retail sales. It make sens they don't have "kits", or "packages" just individual joycons as parts. Of course if you were talking to them they'd have repaired the left joycon if defective, or you could have bought just the left joycon from them (or retailers.) But if buying a whole second set, it definitely would have made more sense to just buy a second set at retail rather than parts.

But didn't they offer to repair them under warranty? Other forum members here have had good experiences with NoA repair service for the joycon issue (turning around the order in 3 days or so.)

@PlywoodStick System update 3.0.0 added support for wired pro-controller usage. Lets face it, nobody's using motion in a LAN tournament

@NEStalgia To be fair, every PC game that could have had LAN but was retracted due to "change in direction" (such as Blizzard with Battle.net 2.0) has inevitably encountered major issues. There has even been at least one StarCraft II tournament where a competitor disconnected from Battle.net in the middle of a tournament being watched internationally by potentially millions of people. Unbelievably embarrassing. They went back to LAN play at tournaments pretty soon after that. Not quite the same issue as wireless connections, but nevertheless a lesson that every extra potential complication can and will eventually activate Murphy's Law.

Nice to see they're adding stuff so soon, still haven't found a copy of the game near where I live.

@Anti-Matter Y u no Twintelle is bae?

@PlywoodStick "Change in direction" means "anti-piricy validation", of course Stripping LAN play was just cloud DRM in disguise. I find it gross that Playstaions and Xboxen have RJ45 jacks and none of them can use it for anything but connecting to a cloud server. PCs it's even more sad.

But of course they moved to LAN play only at tournaments under their control/approval, and don't offer the option to everyone for normal play.

@PlywoodStick
Eh...
Not really interested with Twintelle.
I prefer Ribbon Girl.

Good that Nintendo are taking people's desire for proper connections seriously if they try to be big on competitive games.

@Manjushri Personally I've found that I was getting mauled by the AI in level 5 Gran Prix, but played through it with Mechanica with relative ease. HOWEVER, I find that against human players I do better with just about anybody BUT mechanica. The AI seems to play pretty differently from humans, and Mechanica's defensive style seems to exploit that difference well. (Still, yikes, lv7....I'm not sure I'm ready to try that even with mechanica )

@Pod I find it funny how "always behind the times Nintendo" is the only console without a built in ethernet jack, yet the only one that actually properly supports LAN play.

Thank GOD the next character is a male, if not then we would have to deal with those thicc memes. But this shows that Nintendo ain't messing around with ARMS. They look like they'll punch their way to eSports...

Ok, I see the door I'm leaving, but not after saying NANANANANAAAAAAAAA

I don't really care for ARMS, but I'm glad they added more modes and multilayer optiona

lol what ? LAN ? not even Valve has LAN on Dota

Nintendo breaking walls

@Reignmaker
I feel for ya, many times was my butt handed to me by my family, namely my brother; only cause he remembered more combos than me. Considering ARMS is more reading body language, I may have an edge.
@Bread-Not-Toast
Hopefully I'll be able to grab hold before the rush is gone.
Also, I can't be the only one imagining Max Brass as a character in The Tick

@Linoshi you do know all the characters in Arms have four color palettes you can select between, correct? Or are you saying four isn't enough?

@ShadJV Recolours of the same outfit are not four different outfits nor does it present any real level of customisation. ARMS doesn't promote any form of individuality, which is why a lot of competitive multilayer games are so successful.

@NEStalgia
That may make sense to you as a Nintendo fan, but to me as a nonbiased consumer, charging me $112 for a new set of Joy-Cons because mine are defective makes absolutely no sense.

@Bengals76 It doesn't have anything to do with being a Nintendo fan. If you call the service department about a defect and instead of getting an RMA for repair/exchange you tell them to sell you new spare parts instead of buying a retail kit from actual retail...that's what happens.

It's like going to the dealership to to get a new OEM oil filter from the parts department because your 2017 model's filter sprung a leak. They could have repaired it under warranty in the shop, or you could have just bought a new filter from a parts distributor/retailer, but the shop will sell you one...for a high price.

In this case they didn't up-charge you. They just don't sell sets as parts in the service department apparently, just individual units as replacements. $50/each. is the actual retail price for joycons sold individually, not as a set. You paid full retail for a second set of joycons, each bought separately, because one of your existing joycons had a defect covered under warranty? I can understand not wanting to bother with the hassle of an RMA, but if you wanted another set, why not buy a set anywhere? Or just buy the one joycon that was defective from Nintendo rather than both?

They didn't charge you $112 to repair or replace your joycons, they charged you $112 (or $100 + tax & shipping), the retail price, for two individual joycons to own in addition to your other (defective?) pair.

If Nintendo did anything wrong, or at least the CSR did, it was not telling you that you could send it in for repair if they did not tell you that, then that was the fault of that individual. The appropriate response from them was to offer repair, or at most exchange. If they didn't do that, then they indeed did wrong, or at least the rep that answered your call did.

If they did offer that and you refused and chose to purchase a second set of controllers at the individual controller prices instead, that was your prerogative. But there's no point blaming them for charging you exactly what you asked them to charge you for, unless they omitted the repair/exchange options from the conversation in which case you should really call them back to get that repair you are owed.

@NEStalgia
My call was escalated to the supervisor position. I did not buy an extra set of joy-cons, I still have to send the defective ones back. Trust me when I tell you Nintendo's customer service is horrible. I can't tell you how many times I had to call them back. I spent at least an hour on the phone with them troubleshooting as they tried to blame the joy con issue on interference in the home. This is not the same Nintendo from the late 1980s early 90s.

@Bengals76 I don't doubt the horror stories about bad service and hours on the call, and multiple callbacks at all. Such is service in 2017. BUT I think either you or they are really confused about the joycon thing. Somebody is misunderstanding something. You don't get charged for a full retail purchase of joycons just to send yours back for repairs. Either they're doing an "advanced RMA" where they send you the replacement at full price and then refund you when they receive the defective ones, OR something got lost in translation and you BOTH set up a repair AND bought a second set of joycon.

If you paid for a second set, AND are sending the other set back, you're either getting refunded in full or pro-rated, OR you did just buy a second set of joycons. They don't charge for new joycons to do an exchange....even if they have the worst service in the world, they're not doing that

Bad service or not, I'm pretty sure it's being compounded by confusion on one or both ends. Make sure to clarify that with them BEFORE you send yours in....someone needs to clarify what exactly the current situation is!

@Bengals76 wow I just phoned up they sent a mail bag and postage label and within 7 days fully fixed no issues............all for free! LOVE NINTENDO

They sent me a return shipping label, I can assure you I have not purchased a second set of joy cons.

@Bengals76

For some reason I felt you weren't/aren't telling the whole story. They replace/repair the joycons free of charge.

Did you want them to send you a new pair before sending yours in? Yeah they're gonna charge you there otherwise what keeps you from stealing the new joycons they send you? Usually in that instance they send you refurbs, place a hold/charge on your CC and then refund you when you send in the defective units.

Like I said, you aren't giving the whole story. I sent in both Left joycons I own and got them back in less than a week with no charge.

I think LAN option is necessary, because at public competitive event, an uninteruptable connection is a must.. Well, even i got some issues when play mario kart wirelessly at 1 meter apart..

Mechanica FTW

@tebunker
Well the charge has gone though on my credit card for the joy cons ($112) and it has been over a week. I still have not received them! You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. So before you chime in and and accuse me of not telling the whole story you need to understand that your experience with Nintendo may be, and is different than mine.

@NEStalgia
I don't know what all this talk is about a three day turnaround with Nintendo when it comes to replacing joy cons. I'm going on a week now and have gotten nothing from Nintendo.

@Bengals76 wow, i can't say if their service is good our bad, but something seems REALLY lost in translation in your case. I know a few people here had good experiences with NoA, though maybe it was only nearer launch..... @jaxonh is the only one that comes to mind. Maybe he can share some insight as to what's up?

Did you get confirmation that they're actually expecting your return and intending to repair or refund?

@NEStalgia @Bengals76
All I can say is what happened for me. I contacted Nintendo by phone, and they emailed me a shipping label before I hung up. Shipped out Monday, it arrived Wednesday, was fixed Wednesday, shipped back out Wednesday, and was on my doorstep Thursday when I got home from work. Was about 72 hrs.

Of course this was right after launch and I'm sure they were paying for overnight shipping to mitigate negative attention. I doubt they're still doing that so it's probably going to take around 10 days (that's how long it normally takes, and exactly how long it took them to fix my gamepad years back).

I wouldn't sweat it too much. Give it about 7 to 10 days I'd say.

@NEStalgia
I just got my package today with my new joint cons. You'll never believe what happened, the right joy con is new in box with a wrist strap. The left joy con was in a hodgepodge plastic package with no wrist strap and stripped out screws on the back. Because I paid $112 for these controllers I called Nintendo, they told me it was only cosmetic and to go ahead and use it. That doesn't help the fact that I'm still missing a wrist strap for the left joy con. They are going to supposedly send me out a new wrist strap which will probably take two weeks because of Fourth of July holiday. Take it from me Nintendo's customer service is pathetic!

@nuff64 You have your house set up with four Switches, four TVs, and an Ethernet hub?? Holy cow!

@NEStalgia
It just keeps getting better! Apparently Nintendo has different color wrist straps now. And of course Nintendo sent me the wrong color. So I do have a new joy con (with stripped screws), but it has a miss match wrist strap. I have the original color grey from launch. I really wish I could send you pictures of all this. lol

@Bengals76 This is all unbelievable. I haven't heard too many people talk about Nintendo service, but I've only heard generally decent stories (people that sent 3DS's back like 4 times to replace screens, like Jaded_Drybones, etc.) I can't believe it's all going so bad for you! That's just scary!

FWIW, as far as wrist straps go, they make straps in every color of Joycon. But new joycons, no matter the color, come with black straps. The colored straps have to be purchased separately no matter what (so if they sent you a black strap, it's the right one. If they sent you a colored strap, you might want to actually hang onto it...they charge for those, while black straps are a dime a dozen )

@NEStalgia Its actually a light grey, like they changed the grey color. I called Nintendo again, they said they are sorry and to send all the stuff back. Nintendo is sending me 2 new matching grey joy cons and wrist straps. I hope all goes well this time around!

@Bengals76 Interesting. I think the original ones were black, the straps so maybe the gray clips are a new thing (maybe it's pre-release!) But, yeah, good luck! That's a really awful service experience!

@Bengals76 I'm one of those dedicated to local multiplayer LAN parties, and do own four Switches for now. I'm not into online multiplayer, and was so happy to find that the Nintendo Switch has LAN party support.

As it's so hard to find information, Ive started a facebook group to share info and advice called "Nintendo Switch Multiplayer Fun (LAN Parties & Single-Screen)"

It's for (more than four) people who like to get together in one room and game over the Switch.

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/06/arms_update_adds_lan_play_and_arena_mode#reply