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No More Heroes Outgrowing Wii

Posted by Jon Wahlgren

Creator says next game will need a new platform.

Grasshopper's stylish No More Heroes: Desperate Struggle promises to be a bigger and badder game than its predecessor, but where does it go from there?

Speaking to Edge, series creator Suda51 explained some of his plans for the currently Wii-exclusive franchise's future:

I really want to make NMH a big franchise and with this second episode have bigger success. I’m putting a lot of care into developing this IP, as I feel there’s a lot of potential.

Based on the additions to Desperate Struggle, it's pretty clear Suda is trying his damnedest to reach that potential. Unfortunately, it appears the series' current platform is holding him back some.

I think this is the last NMH that is going to be developed on Wii. To expand NMH to new possibilities, we need a new platform. Wii is a great platform, but we’ve done everything we can with it now.

While it may be disheartening to some Wii gamers to learn that a great exclusive franchise is jumping ship, the multiplatformers among us will surely have nothing but good things to look forward too. At least the series promises to go out on Wii with a bang.

[via edge-online.com]

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No_No_No_Wrong_Way

#4

No_No_No_Wrong_Way said:

@irken

Yeah, it must have been that sandwhich. I loaded it with awesome meats and cheeses, but my stomach just isn't accepting it. I'll have to move on to a better digestive tract for my next meal.

Machu

#5

Machu said:

If I was Travis (which I am) I'd shout "multi-format f***head!" Why not? It sold well (ish) and gathered quite a cult following on Wii. Combine it with a broomstick handle and Natal though, might be good, until you destroy your living room, hmm.

NMH2 woot!

irken004

#6

irken004 said:

I always thought this game belonged on a PS3 or 360, just because those types of gamers think it's "hardcore"

Ricardo91

#7

Ricardo91 said:

Oh well, at least NMH has enough chance to make a name for itself before moving to another console. But I have a 360 anyway, so it's not like it's gonna affect me at all. :D

paulcmnt

#14

paulcmnt said:

Oh-no. Please, Nintendo, release the damn Wii HD till 2012.

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Then again, the world will end in 2012, so it won't matter, anyways.

Objection

#16

Objection said:

I have no problem with this. The 3rd one will likely be on the next-generation of systems anyway. Maybe it can be on all the systems, the PS4, the Xbox480 and the WiiToo.

Gamer1030

#17

Gamer1030 said:

I hope for the best with NMH DS. I guess I can't ask for too much can I? Still have yet to play NMH 1.

SmaMan

#18

SmaMan said:

@irken004
On the contrary, I think this is what made this game stand out. It's a gritty, mature game in a sea of shovelware and cutesy titles. It even kind of pokes fun at them in some parts.

That being said, I think this game could still stand out in another console's library wading in a sea of gritty, mature titles.

KDR_11k

#19

KDR_11k said:

I doubt it'll have success on another platform but whatever, no way to change an auteur's mind.

grenworthshero

#20

grenworthshero said:

This game is perfect for the Wii. I just feel if you are going to move it to another system you're going to have to change the game's personality, or no one is going to buy it. I just think the games on each system have a personality, and to me this feels like Wii (teehee). Therefore, the people who are PS3 people or 360 people, probably wont even pay attention to this game unless the developers do something to "ruin" its original content. Also, this is kind of stupid to me: If it's the third in the series that they're continuing, they're expecting people to own more than one system in order to have played the previous two and to continue to play the upcoming titles, which is an ignorant pretense.

Gamer83

#21

Gamer83 said:

I've got not problem with him wanting to bring the game to other platforms. What I would have a problem with is if Suda chooses to ignore the Nintendo users from here on out. Especially if this game ends up doing better at retail than the first one.

Sean_Aaron

#22

Sean_Aaron said:

I'm more disappointed he wants to make this game into a franchise rather than do something new, but that's his choice. Logically I guess it would be on the PS3 unless he's going to target future releases at Americans...

Sneaker13

#23

Sneaker13 said:

It's a shame that Wii Gamers don't buy these great games as much as the casual games. I've got mine though (hate it being censored though) and will be getting the sequel. Does NMH2 support WM+?

KDR_11k

#24

KDR_11k said:

I didn't like NMH much and I can see why many people wouldn't buy it. People buy what looks good to THEM, not to reviewers. NMH didn't look good to most people.

JimLad

#25

JimLad said:

He's like a new rock band in 1980s, just shown up on the sunset strip brimming with potential and gets signed to a small record label.
Starts getting some respect on the local circuit and writes a few hits but soon he wants more: girls, cars, money... so he moves to New York and ditches everyone that made him what he is, friends, fans, sponsors, and signs with the biggest record company on the east coast. He changes his image and his music starts becoming more mainstream. But in only 2 years time, after his second album tanks he is dropped from the label, and finds himself in a downward spiral of drink and drugs. Once the remainder of his wealth is spent on numerous attempts at rehab, his rochester mansion is reposessed and he finds himself on the street curb playing TV jingles for food stamps.

Moral = Don't move to a high def console where no one knows you, because you will pour your resources into the graphics department only to be washed under the radar by the already established behemoth franchises. Stay on Wii where you have some experience/rep and make your games better.

Ren

#26

Ren said:

Whats the big deal? By the time this comes out it won't be that much longer before another Wii is coming. The Wii life cycle is still as limited as any console, so this is no big deal.

ejamer

#27

ejamer said:

Between this and hearing that Marvelous wants to port other games to 360/PS3, I'm very curious to see what will happen.

Although Wii might not be the "right audience" for these type of games, I really worry that all the hardcore gamers claiming they would have bought the game on a different system were just blowing smoke... especially when porting games that are months or even years old. Given the higher costs related to developing for HD systems, the smaller markets those systems represent, and the increased competition that these niche games would face, it seems like a risky move.

Sean_Aaron

#29

Sean_Aaron said:

@JimLad/ejamer: words of wisdom fellahs. I wonder the same. The fact that the big press-getting games on the PS360 (at least outside of Japan) seem to revolve around killing as many people as possible with all manner of weapons -- whether from a 1st- or 3rd-person perspective -- makes me think this could do pretty well if it gets the right publisher with a lot of money to market it. Little King's Story or Muramasa I'm not quite as convinced of.

I don't think it's the end of the world. If we get two good goes at the same concept and miss out on others, I've still got the first two games and that's cool. I don't feel a need to have a "No More Heroes" shelf!

Supermarioman

#30

Supermarioman said:

Sean Aaron:
You speak the truth in all ways, as long as the Wii Games are good I don't care how many they make on PS3 or 360. But I hope they understand what they are getting into, they would have to embark on multi-million dollar project just to get the game approved for either of the other consoles this generation and I'm pretty sure Suda 51 isn't used to that kind of pressure and commitment with just one project.

Betagam7

#33

Betagam7 said:

My dissapointment with the obvious censorship of the PAL original has stopped me enjoying it as much as I might have but to be honest it wasn't that great from what I've seen. The boss missions are fun but driving around a half empty "city" felt like a sub par version of the Dreamcast game Headhunter.
I might get the sequel and trade in the orginal of the sequel comes out uncut and shows improvements in the boring elements of the orginal.

Interesting that Suda is talking franchises though after allowing his first game to be comprimised to please those with Wallmart tendancies. Punks not dead huh, Suda?
In the words of John Lydon: "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?"

New_Age_Retro_Hippie

#35

New_Age_Retro_Hippie said:

I personally hope it doesn't succeed; not because it's going to other consoles, but it's ONLY one other consoles. Wii owners made it a success, and they deserve to get every entry in the series.

bbb7002004

#36

bbb7002004 said:

Niche games are niche games on any console and will sell as such. fact.

I just think a lot of "Nintnedo Fans" are over reacting to this though. Suda isn't insulting Wii, or its audience, he's just saying that another game would really over saturate the franchise on the system. I mean, I love NMH, and can't wait to play NMHDS, but what's left after that? More assassins to fight? Woo hoo.

Not much else to do with the series, beyond re-hash the same ideas on another console, with a different take on combat with the natural control differences.

davegorack

#37

davegorack said:

I liked the frist game and i cant wait for the secound one.
I can understand why the whould whant to put NMH on a difrent system..
i mean it didnt sell well.

LEGEND_MARIOID

#38

LEGEND_MARIOID said:

I never liked NMH personally but I appreciated very much why some would.

But as stated above, it is extremely niche so what do they expect. I s'pose if they want to sell out and make some more money then that's their choice. Its not a case of "outrgrowing" the Wii. How will it do against the the xbox and ps3 hardcore game multitudes I don't know....

AVahne

#39

AVahne said:

I'm a bit sad that it's jumping ship but i hope it'll return to Nintendo as an exclusive with the next Nintendo system

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