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If we don't change we might die

Aonuma is at least cognizant of Nintendo's conservatism. "With regard to... breaking the mold or changing the formula, I certainly hear the thoughts of fans. The impressions of fans that maybe it's getting a bit stale," he admitted. So, change is coming. "The concept of the item will be completely different than what you've experienced before," he says.

Are you ready for some change?

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MAB

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The competition might need to think on this sort of level too ;)

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He's right. Looking at the PS4 and One, i see no evolution in game design. Focusing soley on fancier visuals only will kill the industry, and if it were just left up to Sony and MS than the industry desserves to crumble and die. I'd like to see how the touch pad on the Dual Shock 4 is put to use rather than just being a tacked on after thought, and if Kinect 2 will offer bigger experiences rather than being utlized for forgettable mini game compilations that only the Golden girls would be excited for.

As far as the one and PS4 are concerned, these are dark times indeed for the industry, Nintendo's still got it. They are the only spark in the industry that's retaining that magic instead of jumping on the bloated hollowyoodized cinematic bleak & brown bro fest shooter craze where game design is the least important thing, with visuals and story telling taking centre stage....I'd say this type of crap took up about 75% of sony and MS's E3 conferences. it's beginning to become a big giant blur, since a lot of them look pretty darn simular to one another. :p

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Whatever Aonuma and Miyamoto feel is best. There's so very few games outside of N first party that I enjoy on the same level. The source of change? Well im no game designer and I don't trust outside developers who say yeah I could make that nintendo franchise kick donkey if they gave it to me. So Im open of course to whatever new inventions the Nintendo producers feel is right.

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WaveBoy wrote:

He's right. Looking at the PS4 and One, i see no evolution in game design. Focusing soley on fancier visuals only will kill the industry, and if it were just left up to Sony and MS than the industry desserves to crumble and die. I'd like to see how the touch pad on the Dual Shock 4 is put to use rather than just being a tacked on after thought, and if Kinect 2 will offer bigger experience rather than forgettable mini game compilations.

As far as the one and PS4 are concerned, these are dark times indeed for the industry, Nintendo's still got it. They are the only spark in the industry that's retaining that magic instead of jumping on bloated hollowyoodized cinematic blreak & brown bro fest shooter craze, which took up I'd say about 75% of sony and MS's E3 conferences. it's beginning to become a big giant blur, since a lot of look simular to one another. :p

Thats false sterotyping. Sony has a lot more than shooters and puts forth new ideas for games and evolves them,

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WaveBoy wrote:

He's right. Looking at the PS4 and One, i see no evolution in game design. Focusing soley on fancier visuals only will kill the industry, and if it were just left up to Sony and MS than the industry desserves to crumble and die. I'd like to see how the touch pad on the Dual Shock 4 is put to use rather than just being a tacked on after thought, and if Kinect 2 will offer bigger experiences rather than being utlized for forgettable mini game compilations that only the Golden girls would be excited for.

As far as the one and PS4 are concerned, these are dark times indeed for the industry, Nintendo's still got it. They are the only spark in the industry that's retaining that magic instead of jumping on the bloated hollowyoodized cinematic bleak & brown bro fest shooter craze where game design is the least important thing, with visuals and story telling taking centre stage....I'd say this type of crap took up about 75% of sony and MS's E3 conferences. it's beginning to become a big giant blur, since a lot of them look pretty darn simular to one another. :p

Its funny you say that when Anounma and alot of other Nintendo guys idea of change is probably more to do with the story/cinematic side that it does with gameplay. (not that wouldn't change as well)

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Jaz007 wrote:

WaveBoy wrote:

He's right. Looking at the PS4 and One, i see no evolution in game design. Focusing soley on fancier visuals only will kill the industry, and if it were just left up to Sony and MS than the industry desserves to crumble and die. I'd like to see how the touch pad on the Dual Shock 4 is put to use rather than just being a tacked on after thought, and if Kinect 2 will offer bigger experience rather than forgettable mini game compilations.

As far as the one and PS4 are concerned, these are dark times indeed for the industry, Nintendo's still got it. They are the only spark in the industry that's retaining that magic instead of jumping on bloated hollowyoodized cinematic blreak & brown bro fest shooter craze, which took up I'd say about 75% of sony and MS's E3 conferences. it's beginning to become a big giant blur, since a lot of look simular to one another. :p

Thats false sterotyping. Sony has a lot more than shooters and puts forth new ideas for games and evolves them,

These new idea's if you even want to call it that are teathered to a traditional controller with practically the same funcionality of Sony's original dualshock that released in the mid to late 90's Sony hasn't evolved their franchises beyond the standard traditional controller. I mean, there's only so much you can do with a dual shock, where as Nintendo is pushing innovation forward with the unique capablities of the Wii u gamepad(The screen is a 2nd window into the gaming world i guess you could say, and more)

Where as the dualshock 4 has a tiny little touch pad aside from the Move light bar which i'm assuming churns out the same results as the wii remote plus, except being more akward and less versitle since you're holding a dualshock rather than the wii remote which can imitate a variety of things....Has DS4's touch pad been put to use other than being used for tech demo's that will never see the light of day? You can already do whatever it does and more with the wii u's screen, so i don't see the touch pad pushing gameplay forward, it feels tacked on. if Anything when used in combination with the new Eyetoy(or whatever it's called) than i guess that's an entirely different story, but i have a strong feeling it's not going to get the love it desserves...And will eventually be the PS4's lonely sidekick. :p

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A few games have shown using the touchpad but I don;t expect it to be used alot.

Also your confusing Hardware innovation with software innovation. While they do work in tandem sometimes they're completely different.

Plus I could easily say Nintendo is a boring company because they don't strive to innovate on Narrative and instead decide to appeal to the least common denominator when they should arguably be the pixar of games at the point.

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Sony_70 wrote:

WaveBoy wrote:

He's right. Looking at the PS4 and One, i see no evolution in game design. Focusing soley on fancier visuals only will kill the industry, and if it were just left up to Sony and MS than the industry desserves to crumble and die. I'd like to see how the touch pad on the Dual Shock 4 is put to use rather than just being a tacked on after thought, and if Kinect 2 will offer bigger experiences rather than being utlized for forgettable mini game compilations that only the Golden girls would be excited for.

As far as the one and PS4 are concerned, these are dark times indeed for the industry, Nintendo's still got it. They are the only spark in the industry that's retaining that magic instead of jumping on the bloated hollowyoodized cinematic bleak & brown bro fest shooter craze where game design is the least important thing, with visuals and story telling taking centre stage....I'd say this type of crap took up about 75% of sony and MS's E3 conferences. it's beginning to become a big giant blur, since a lot of them look pretty darn simular to one another. :p

Its funny you say that when Anounma and alot of other Nintendo guys idea of change is probably more to do with the story/cinematic side that it does with gameplay. (not that wouldn't change as well)

If their idea of change is with Story/cinematics than why aren't we seeing it already with Nintendo games(Aside from Metroid: Other M. But that was all because of Team Ninja.) They're definitly more keen on the idea of evolving the way you PLAY games. The DS, Wii & Wii U are the perfect examples.

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WaveBoy wrote:

Sony_70 wrote:

WaveBoy wrote:

He's right. Looking at the PS4 and One, i see no evolution in game design. Focusing soley on fancier visuals only will kill the industry, and if it were just left up to Sony and MS than the industry desserves to crumble and die. I'd like to see how the touch pad on the Dual Shock 4 is put to use rather than just being a tacked on after thought, and if Kinect 2 will offer bigger experiences rather than being utlized for forgettable mini game compilations that only the Golden girls would be excited for.

As far as the one and PS4 are concerned, these are dark times indeed for the industry, Nintendo's still got it. They are the only spark in the industry that's retaining that magic instead of jumping on the bloated hollowyoodized cinematic bleak & brown bro fest shooter craze where game design is the least important thing, with visuals and story telling taking centre stage....I'd say this type of crap took up about 75% of sony and MS's E3 conferences. it's beginning to become a big giant blur, since a lot of them look pretty darn simular to one another. :p

Its funny you say that when Anounma and alot of other Nintendo guys idea of change is probably more to do with the story/cinematic side that it does with gameplay. (not that wouldn't change as well)

If their idea of change is with Story/cinmatics than why aren't we seeing it with Nintendo games(Aside from Metroid: Other M. :p )? They're more keen on the idea of evolving the way you PLAY games. The DS, Wii & Wii U are the perfect examples.

Miyamoto plain and simple. Its been stated multiple times by Aonuma and Tezkua that they usually have to fight tooth and Nail to get any non basic story in the games. Galaxy Is one of my favorite games but Tezkua said the EAD guys worked on the narrative and the Star Princess stuff being Miyamoto's back. Other M is a bad example as its made by a guy who's in love with the character. Its sad too as Super Metroid and the first prime are excellent examples of non transitional story telling in the medium. My favorite Nintendo game of Late is probably Kid Icarus uprising for the story itself and how its pretty indepth and well done yet keeps the Nintendo charm.

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MadAussieBloke wrote:

The competition might need to think on this sort of level too ;)

More like the industry as a whole...

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WingedFish wrote:

MadAussieBloke wrote:

The competition might need to think on this sort of level too ;)

More like the industry as a whole...

That's eactly what I said... The entire industry is Nintendos competition ;)

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WingedFish wrote:

MadAussieBloke wrote:

The competition might need to think on this sort of level too ;)

More like the industry as a whole...

What do you mean? Aren't you looking forward to New Super Stale Bros. 17? :p

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WaveBoy wrote:

WingedFish wrote:

MadAussieBloke wrote:

The competition might need to think on this sort of level too ;)

More like the industry as a whole...

What do you mean? Aren't you looking forward to New Super Stale Bros. 17? :p

No way bro! I'm getting Dark and Gritty Shooter 42!

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WaveBoy wrote:

WingedFish wrote:

MadAussieBloke wrote:

The competition might need to think on this sort of level too ;)

More like the industry as a whole...

What do you mean? Aren't you looking forward to New Super Stale Bros. 17? :p

I'm most certainly looking forward to the upcoming Mario games, yet I'm not blind to the fact that ol' Mario, like a quite a number of ongoing current franchises, has lost some (or in other series' cases, a lot) of his luster. But at the same time I understand Nintendo's reasons behind making the same similar games, i.e. bringing the most money since the same old titles, whether we like it or not, sell the most. But of course, such a business system can only be successful for so long...

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My guess is that the game will take place during the development of Hyrule, right from the beginning.
So, the direct sequel(give or take how many years since) to Skyward Sword.

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MAB

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Link & Zelda should get all Jay Z & Beyonce and go street level gritty n grime up in this mofo ;)

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Chrono_Cross

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Every studio Nintendo owns should work towards change.

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MAB

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Yeah Sega changed and look what happened to them... It's good that Ninty is whipping them back into fine form for Lost World though ;)

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MadAussieBloke wrote:

The competition might need to think on this sort of level too ;)

Funny thing to say as the only thing Nintendo changed as far is the controller, and that not real change when you think about it, we already have the 3DS.

Nintendo is pushing innovation.

By applying on idea to another really pushing forwards the boundaries of innovation, next you'll probably be saying how the decades old Mario is pushing boundaries.

Those casual gamers love there gimmicks and Nintendo kowns it.

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