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PopetheRevXXVII

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I need to make some rather clear, I am NOT a Nintendo fan I won't get into why but I'm not. But I was wondering and wanted to hear it from the Hardcore Nintendo fans. What up with Nintendo 3rd party relationships? The general consensus amongst 3rd parties for the Wii U seems to be ABANDON SHIP and most of 3DS games appear to be by the same 5 or 6 publishers.

I dunno that's just my vantage point. I'd like your take. I'll keep it civil. I know how Militant Nintendo fans can be.

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Torchwood

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The reason is simple. The Wii U's processors and graphics are that of current gen games, so once the PS4 and One come out, 3rd parties won't feel compelled to support the system. Nintendo systems are just too different from the other systems to encourage 3rd parties to release their games on them. And when 3rd parties don't make games for them, sales do poorly, and they feel even less compelled to develop for Nintendo.

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what Torchwood said and also between competing with Nintendo's often majorly successful titles and Nintendo not being interested in paying tons of money to 3rd parties just to get more games, 3rd parties would prefer to be paid lots of money just for the honor of having their game on a console and then put it on multiple systems more easily.

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Nintendo are no fun at parties.

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3DS seems to be doing just fine from what I've experienced.

WiiU isn't selling, so there's no point for 3rd party devs to support it really due to low install base.

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Torchwood wrote:

The reason is simple. The Wii U's processors and graphics are that of current gen games, so once the PS4 and One come out, 3rd parties won't feel compelled to support the system. Nintendo systems are just too different from the other systems to encourage 3rd parties to release their games on them. And when 3rd parties don't make games for them, sales do poorly, and they feel even less compelled to develop for Nintendo.

This made no sense at all.

EDIT: The Wii U uses a more similar architecture to last gen than Xbox One and PS4, but it also has enhanced it. This isn't just a copy/paste job of Xbox 360 and PS3.
The only difference is the GamePad and Wii remote. As for 3rd party games, they aren't even releasing much of anything until Xbox One and PS4 come out, anyway. People expect 8th gen games from Nintendo before anyone else has them out.

There has always been a console that has released a year before all the others. The Wii U is on equal ground with Xbox One and PS4.

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Torchwood

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@Scar92 Sorry, it was poorly worded. What I meant is that 3rd parties like to simultaneously release the same game across different systems. But Nintendo systems tend to be less powerful, and then there's the Gamepad. It's just extra work for the third party to figure out how to integrate it, so why should they bother on a system with low sales? With nobody developing for a system with a low install base and worse processing, third parties don't want to make games for the Wii U that have to compete with Nintendo first party titles and will sell low numbers. It's a shame that they have this attitude, since it means they barely even try to develop for Nintendo, but the Wii U launch titles being mostly ports and Ubisoft backing off of support really shows that that attitude exists.
EDIT: The online structure and controllers for the Wii U might not be THAT different, but the Wii U is lacking Unreal Engine 4 along with other noteworthy things in the next-gen consoles. I wouldn't call Wii U current gen, but it is rather different from PS4 and One, you can't just say it's on the same playing grounds.

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LordJumpMad wrote:

Nintendo are no fun at parties.

this explains what happened with Mario Party.

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@Scar92 Sorry, it was poorly worded. What I meant is that 3rd parties like to simultaneously release the same game across different systems. But Nintendo systems tend to be less powerful, and then there's the Gamepad. It's just extra work for the third party to figure out how to integrate it, so why should they bother on a system with low sales? With nobody developing for a system with a low install base and worse processing, third parties don't want to make games for the Wii U that have to compete with Nintendo first party titles and will sell low numbers. It's a shame that they have this attitude, since it means they barely even try to develop for Nintendo, but the Wii U launch titles being mostly ports and Ubisoft backing off of support really shows that that attitude exists.
EDIT: The online structure and controllers for the Wii U might not be THAT different, but the Wii U is lacking Unreal Engine 4 along with other noteworthy things in the next-gen consoles. I wouldn't call Wii U current gen, but it is rather different from PS4 and One, you can't just say it's on the same playing grounds.

Nintendo systems tend to be less powerful? The Wii was basically the only home console Nintendo has ever made that was weaker graphically, and it balanced that with motion controls.
The processing isn't worse. It's different, but it is in no way worse. I'm sure PS4 and Xbox One are SLIGHTLY more powerful, but Wii U no doubt has most of the same capabilities as the other 8th gen consoles.
The reason why Wii U got 7th gen ports is because there was nothing else to put out. There is ZERO 8th generation games out right now. The PS4 and Xbox One aren't even out, so we can't expect 8th gen multiplats with out multiple 8th gen consoles being available.

The Wii U is very capable, and it's far from being over. People were "doom and glooming" the Wii U as far back as summer 2011 before anyone knew anything, so it's kinda hard to take some of the "doom" speculation seriously.

Wii U will need to show what it can do when Xbox One and PS4 show up, but that day is not today.

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Not many people have wii u, so not many people will but 3rd party games. But i think this fall and winter, tons of people will buy wii u because so many cool 1st party games are coming, so 3rd parties will make games.

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kletro wrote:

Not many people have wii u, so not many people will but 3rd party games. But i think this fall and winter, tons of people will buy wii u because so many cool 1st party games are coming, so 3rd parties will make games.

Not to mention. Wii U has a bigger install base than Xbox One and PS4, which is understandable, but it's true.

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The Wii U community is so weird. Its hard to say what they are. Some will buy Mass Effect, some will buy Rabbids, and others will buy Rayman. Its very split and unballanced. This is what Nintendo gets for making their audience too broad.

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So this doesn't bother you? Rather than making something Unique that uses that Second screen they all just jump ship.

5 Million sold in less than a year is nothing to sneeze at. I'd always been led to believe that Nintendo just doesn't have good relationships with 3rd parties going way back.

That's one of the reasons I find it hard to support Nintendo (Amongst other things I'm sure will come up later)

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Torchwood

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@Scar392 I completely agree with you. I'm not saying the Wii U is entirely incapable, I'm just saying that those are some hurdles it has compared to the other next gen systems that might deter 3rd parties from wanting to develop at the moment. I think they might not want to develop in the future still because of the differences, but because PS4/One aren't even out yet, it wouldn't be fair to judge the Wii U for being different.
However, you have to admit that there is something wrong with the fact that current gen multiplatform games that were released this year have t been brough to the Wii U.

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Tylr

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Because 3rd parties don't like change and doing things differently from what they normally do.

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PopetheRevXXVII wrote:

So this doesn't bother you? Rather than making something Unique that uses that Second screen they all just jump ship.

5 Million sold in less than a year is nothing to sneeze at. I'd always been led to believe that Nintendo just doesn't have good relationships with 3rd parties going way back.

That's one of the reasons I find it hard to support Nintendo (Amongst other things I'm sure will come up later)

Generally, people buy Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games. There are the odd unique third party offerings, but those cannot be relied on.

Third parties are lately irrelevant because many people who are after the experiences that are offered there buy either a Sony or Microsoft product to compliment their gaming collection.

The only reason there should be for not wanting to support Nintendo is the system not having the games you enjoy most. Simple.

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@Torchwood
What other games could have been released besides 7th generation ports? None. Nintendo released Lego City, NSMB.U, and Game & Wario. Besides those, some exclusive eShop games, and VC, there was literally nothing else to release.

The Wii U would have even less games out for it if 3rd parties didn't release 7th gen games. Companies like Activision, Namco, Ubisoft, EA, etc. have all been hard at work on 8th generation games in the meantime during this past 8 months or so.

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Well willobee that is a well put point. Some of the problems I have with Nintendo are the same problems I have with Microsoft and XBOX (same games over and over) While the PS3 is the one getting all the interesting 3rd party exclusives.

Right now just talking about games, not talking about Nintendo as a whole. The only games on the Wii U that interest me are Bayonetta 2 and Smash Brothers WII U. Not enough to sell me on the system. I have other problems with Nintendo I'd like to discuss with Nintendo fans but I need to find the right forum section to bring it up.

Oh and I'm sure somebody is bound to bring it up. "If you're not a Nintendo fan why are you here?" I'm not going to troll. I'll be fair Every place needs a little yang to their ying. And until around E3 I was planing to get a Wii U until several things changed my mind.

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Torchwood

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@PopetheRevXXVII
If you'd like to rename this thread or make a new one and discuss your problems with Nintendo, I'd be happy to hear them! Even as a Nintendo exclusive gamer, I can't pretend that Nintendo's hardware and practices are perfect. I'd very much like to discuss your opinions with you.

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In my honest opinion, 3rd-parties have historically disliked Nintendo because Nintendo has its own way of doing things to which they are reluctant to adapt; especially when competitors definitely can't live without third-party support, and hence do all that they can not only to keep 3rds on board, but also to hinder their potential relationship with Nintendo.

All in all it's just business. Comes March 2014, when install base and momentum will be compared for all 8th generation consoles, were the Wii U on top we shall see the true nature of third-party support.

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