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PopetheRevXXVII wrote:

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Characters shouldn't be what matters...it's gameplay. Your arguemnt is now rendered invalid.

Also, there were more new SNES franchises because Nintendo didn't have many franchises to work with at that time.

By the way, Miyamoto has stated that he has a new IP in the works...

By the way, I want a new F-Zero aswell.

I'm tired of seeing Mario. Remember when a new Mario game was a big deal? Now it's OH ANOTHER Mario game. Zelda games are less frequent but how much more can you really do with Link? SO what does Miyamoto do? REMAKE WINDWAKER and just like with the Gamecube everyone wants the link in the Tech Demo...we get toon Link. I do hope this new Ip is something memorable though. I know Nintendo aren't really story tellers infact stupid Nintendo thinking is keeping the new Smash Brothers from having anything that even Resembles a Story. But I hope the New Ip tells some kind of story along with new/different gameplay experiences. The Last of Us set the bar REALLY REALLY REALLY High in terms of combining story with Gameplay if Nintendo wants to get in favor with older gamers like me again people who grew up with them but moved on to different brands after the SNES they should thinking about doing something that both plays well in the beloved Nintendo style, and combining it with an amazing story that maybe Nintendo isn't so well known for telling.

Or maybe we don't want story Driven Nintendo games...Look at Metroid Other M. Sorry But Samus don't need to answer to to man.

They're remaking WW to hold us over until the next Zelda...ALBW should show you that there is much more to be done...

If you care about characters and such more than gameplay, then go watch a movie or read a book. Games are not for you. I'm not against great stories (Xenoblade is my favorite game), but there should also be great gameplay (which Xenoblade has).

Also, if the graphic matter tha much to you, then you aren't a real gamer. You should be watching movies or looking at paintings, not playing games.

I don't really care if Smash Bros. has a story. The gmes were great w/o them.

Also, I don't think Other M had a bad story. The only issue I had was that she cried...Since when does Samus cry?!?

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PopetheRevXXVII wrote:

How often does a Non Nintendo fan join a Forum for Nintendo fans to discuss the topic of why he doesn't like Nintendo?

It's pretty common actually. Alot of people here are PS fans and like to say Nintendo hasn't done stuff right since the SNES, when they were probably playing Sega Genesis instead anyway.

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I'll admit I'm more PS fan then a Nintendo fan. But I didnt like the wildly successful wii. I think they sacrificed too much. Not soo much hardware as online. I think they underestimated how quick online would catch on. Now I'm on wait&see patrol

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SCAR392 wrote:

PopetheRevXXVII wrote:

How often does a Non Nintendo fan join a Forum for Nintendo fans to discuss the topic of why he doesn't like Nintendo?

It's pretty common actually. Alot of people here are PS fans and like to say Nintendo hasn't done stuff right since the SNES, when they were probably playing Sega Genesis instead anyway.

True that, SCAR392. If anything, PopetheRevXXVII deserves credit for admitting where he stands.

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I think Third Parties have never liked Nintendo.. with that being said.. I think third parties get away with treating Nintendo like crap. because of general gamers attitudes.. for instance.. some posts I read on another site...

OP: Here is a list of third party games not coming to the Wii U.. Translation: Here is the 1,000th Racing, FPS, Survival horror game that I have played 999 times before but am hyped about.. because they have pretty graphics.. except maybe two games that are completely different.. the only reason I am going to touch some of these after the first month is because of Online Play.. However I will come back and say oh look another Mario and roll my eyes when Nintendo announces it and releases it..

Nintendo Fan: goes through looks at the list marks off the ones he is not interested in.. leaves a few on the list... and replies.. well these are the only ones I am interested in.. (Translation: I am a Nintendo Owner and gamer.. and vote with my wallet too.. and while I will not complain if Nintendo got all those games.. I am only interested in a few..

OP: And that is the reason why third parties skip Nintendo (Translation: I love it when third parties have the attitude that all their games need to sell.. otherwise it justifies them to drop the system completely and not support them.. but only if it is a Nintendo system and not my system preference because then I would be kicking and screaming...

Another Gamer: OOOOOO Burn.. (Translation : All hail third parties and their attitude of all must sell or Nintendo gets ignored.

Me: Well I for one refuse to buy a game that does not come with DLC content.. and any company refuses to actually put an effort into making something that looks better than PS3.. and plays good on the Wii U... (Translation: Go ahead third party B- - - hes and save me some money.. I don't care... if you can't give me a complete game.. that looks and plays good.. and that has the DLC all the other versions do I refuse to buy your stuff.. plain and simple..

Im addition no third party company like to break the mold for new tech.. for instance.. on The Wii U.. you have to utilize the GPU to do some main computing to bring out the full potential on the system.. third parties are not used to this.. on PS4 and XBOX One.. all you have to do is come up with a code that uses primarily the CPU.. they are used to this.. and so narrow and closed minded that they don't want to put forth the effort of actually figuring out the new tech.. on the Wii U.. (Gamepad is the same way for the most part)..

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They're remaking WW to hold us over until the next Zelda...ALBW should show you that there is much more to be done...

If you care about characters and such more than gameplay, then go watch a movie or read a book. Games are not for you. I'm not against great stories (Xenoblade is my favorite game), but there should also be great gameplay (which Xenoblade has).

Also, if the graphic matter tha much to you, then you aren't a real gamer. You should be watching movies or looking at paintings, not playing games.

I don't really care if Smash Bros. has a story. The gmes were great w/o them.

Also, I don't think Other M had a bad story. The only issue I had was that she cried...Since when does Samus cry?!?

Few games draw me in with story but also play well. The Last of US is one, Shenmue is another. The Old school Ninja Gaiden games probably the first example of gameplay and story. I hear Red Dead Redemption is another prime example and Deus Ex Human Revolution. It's not Story over Gameplay it's story that plays along side gameplay, again The Last of US Being a perfect example of what I mean.

I don't play shmups or fighting games for story (besides the amazing story mode Mortal Kombat had) and I have a preference lately for 8 bit style games.
(So Shovel knight is on my radar) I play all sorts of games. But I lack that Nintendo magic right now. Only Nintendo games I have on Gamecube at the moment are F-Zero GX, SSB Meele and Chibi Robo.

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I'm tired of seeing Mario. Remember when a new Mario game was a big deal? Now it's OH ANOTHER Mario game.

I want you to tell me this, how many of these Mario games are exactly alike? I agree Mario is an all too familiar face, but would Mario Kart or other high selling Mario spinoffs sell half as much if they stared someone else? Brand recognition is a powerful tool, and one that would be foolish to not use.

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Zelda games are less frequent but how much more can you really do with Link? SO what does Miyamoto do? REMAKE WINDWAKER and just like with the Gamecube everyone wants the link in the Tech Demo...we get toon Link.

I can hardly even make out half of what you're saying here. It sounds like mindless rant babble.The reason they're remaking The Wind Waker is to:

A) Experiment with the art style for future Zelda games.

B) Gain experience in HD development.

C) Build up the Wii U's library of games to stir up interest in the console.

D) Do the above three at a cheaper cost.

E) Appease Zelda fans while waiting for a new Zelda game.

F) Make money to be put toward the next Zelda game.

G) Build up the Wii U's library of games to stir up interest in the console.

Sounds like a smart move to me, even if I don't agree with it fully. Also, what's wrong with Toon Link? Does he make the game bad? Should they just insert OoT Link's character model in the game so it will get a 9/10 instead of a 7/10? And, heck, use MM Tingle for that matter.

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I know Nintendo aren't really story tellers infact stupid Nintendo thinking is keeping the new Smash Brothers from having anything that even Resembles a Story. But I hope the New Ip tells some kind of story along with new/different gameplay experiences. The Last of Us set the bar REALLY REALLY REALLY High in terms of combining story with Gameplay if Nintendo wants to get in favor with older gamers like me again people who grew up with them but moved on to different brands after the SNES they should thinking about doing something that both plays well in the beloved Nintendo style, and combining it with an amazing story that maybe Nintendo isn't so well known for telling.

I loved the story in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Captain Falcon's internal conflict in determining whether or not using the Falcon Punch to destroy that giant R.O.B. at the cost of so many Pikmin lives was so touching I almost cried. Stories are not necessary in all games. If it's there and good, great! If it isn't, fine by me. I'll play a JRPG, watch a movie, or read a book.

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PopetheRevXXVII wrote:

I'm tired of seeing Mario. Remember when a new Mario game was a big deal? Now it's OH ANOTHER Mario game.

I want you to tell me this, how many of these Mario games are exactly alike? I agree Mario is an all too familiar face, but would Mario Kart or other high selling Mario spinoffs sell half as much if they stared someone else? Brand recognition is a powerful tool, and one that would be foolish to not use.

I think Kotaku posted a video that sums up my feelings quite well. http://kotaku.com/mario-needs-to-stop-dwelling-on-the-past-87...

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69. Posted:

I actually agree with @PopetheRevXXVII on the Mario comment. As of late, the Mario games have been lacking in "wow" factor. I want another jump, like World to 64 or Sunshine to Galaxy. Something remarkable, and different. Something I could never come up with based on past experiences.

It's not that I hate the new Mario games, it's that I don't love them like before. They don't feel special anymore. Granted, I'll still probably get 3D World, but I don't think it'll be one of those games I just adore like Mario Galaxy. And I doubt it'll get the kind of critical acclaim Galaxy got, either.

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@PopetheRevXXVII : What a fantastic opinionated monologue. It spoke to me. But, that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Remember, one Mario game is always someones first.

I don't support the idea of Mario being used as much as he is, I share some of the same feelings about his overuse, but even still, what's wrong with using Mario? The games still sell, so why stop making them? It's called smart business. Sell what people will buy. Activision does it with Call of Duty, albeit worse. It could very well stagnate the industry if abused, but it works. If anything Nintendo does it very well. There has been one New Super Mario Bros per console versus yearly rehashes of other franchises. The only reason people complain about Nintendo is because they have been in the industry for longer. Do I wish the main Mario franchise would find a way to become fresh again? Yes I honestly do, but, it's a plague to the entire video game industry. No company is innocent.

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A Mario game should be special, not a cheap cash grab and not a recycling of ideas People Only keep buying Call of Duty because all their friends do. I stopped playing Call of Duty when it when Annual same with Assassin's Creed. Now Mario has that same Burnout those franchises had. Disney put Mickey Mouse to rest for a few decades for a reason.

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PopetheRevXXVII wrote:

A Mario game should be special, not a cheap cash grab and not a recycling of ideas People Only keep buying Call of Duty because all their friends do. I stopped playing Call of Duty when it when Annual same with Assassin's Creed. Now Mario has that same Burnout those franchises had. Disney put Mickey Mouse to rest for a few decades for a reason.

Let's be fair here. Assassin's Creed still has effort put into it, despite it's annual release. Although I agree entirely about COD. People only buy it because of their friends.

You need to think about games in terms of gameplay nd quality, not characters

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As many terrible games as he's been in, I'm not sick of Sonic infact Generations left me wanting more and for better or worse sonic changes up the gameplay enough for better or worse. Mario, not so much I get bored with Mario. I get REALLY bored with Mario when he keeps doing the same thing. Mega Man was the same core game but the weapons in each installment kept it fresh. I enjoyed the first new Super Mario brothers but after that it was just more of the same bringing nothing new to the table and Mario Himself just isn't that interesting. I have to imagine that Mario is all doped up on Shrooms and every game is just a bad trip he's having.

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74. Posted:

Afternoon ladies and gents, I'd just like to bring your attention to the starter of this thread. He is a known troll and has readily admitted that he is only here to troll and frankly should be banned.

PopetheRevXXVII or "God of Hardcore" as he's known elsewhere has been run out of multiple forums, including Neo Geo and AssemblerGames (multiple times, but he keeps coming back, we really wish he wouldn't and its beyond me why he is not banned yet). God of Hardcore is a plague who emulates the games he came here to troll about and is pretty infamous for having ridiculous views, amongst those are Gumpei Yokoi being murdered by Nintendo and other outlandish bull.

You can see this thread where he readily admits he is only here to troll:http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?46846-You-wanna-know-why-people-don-t-take-nintendo-serious&p=690316&viewfull=1#post690316

We at AssemblerGames (and the few of us who had the displeasure of knowing him at NeoGeo forums) do not condone his bs and do not agree with his views. Ban him before he begins to routinely stir up trouble at this forum.

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GoHIsAMoron wrote:

Afternoon ladies and gents, I'd just like to bring your attention to the starter of this thread. He is a known troll and has readily admitted that he is only here to troll and frankly should be banned.

PopetheRevXXVII or "God of Hardcore" as he's known elsewhere has been run out of multiple forums, including Neo Geo and AssemblerGames (multiple times, but he keeps coming back, we really wish he wouldn't and its beyond me why he is not banned yet). God of Hardcore is a plague who emulates the games he came here to troll about and is pretty infamous for having ridiculous views, amongst those are Gumpei Yokoi being murdered by Nintendo and other outlandish bull.

You can see this thread where he readily admits he is only here to troll:http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?46846-You-wanna-know-why-people-don-t-take-nintendo-serious&p=690316&viewfull=1#post690316

We at AssemblerGames (and the few of us who had the displeasure of knowing him at NeoGeo forums) do not condone his bs and do not agree with his views. Ban him before he begins to routinely stir up trouble at this forum.

Damn, so this situation is THIS serious... :O Thanks for having me informed. Hopefully this isn't Miiverse where he would have already found a way to have your message deleted...

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@PopetheRevXXVII Dude, with all due respect, I think it's time to leave:

http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?46846-You...

https://miiverse.nintendo.net/users/Luther
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http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2013/01/15/f-zero-wii-u-lets-dream-it/
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DePapier wrote:

GoHIsAMoron wrote:

Afternoon ladies and gents, I'd just like to bring your attention to the starter of this thread. He is a known troll and has readily admitted that he is only here to troll and frankly should be banned.

PopetheRevXXVII or "God of Hardcore" as he's known elsewhere has been run out of multiple forums, including Neo Geo and AssemblerGames (multiple times, but he keeps coming back, we really wish he wouldn't and its beyond me why he is not banned yet). God of Hardcore is a plague who emulates the games he came here to troll about and is pretty infamous for having ridiculous views, amongst those are Gumpei Yokoi being murdered by Nintendo and other outlandish bull.

You can see this thread where he readily admits he is only here to troll:http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?46846-You-wanna-know-why-people-don-t-take-nintendo-serious&p=690316&viewfull=1#post690316

We at AssemblerGames (and the few of us who had the displeasure of knowing him at NeoGeo forums) do not condone his bs and do not agree with his views. Ban him before he begins to routinely stir up trouble at this forum.

Damn, so this situation is THIS serious... :O Thanks for having me informed. Hopefully this isn't Miiverse where he would have already found a way to have your message deleted...

He's just a pain and didn't like it when you guys didn't bite on his other thread. I suggest you just GIF spam any other threads he creates until he leaves, that is if you can't get him banned.

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78. Posted:

Oh so now you want to act like children? I am a well respected member of Assemlber and simply wished to get a good dialog going with Nintendo fans.

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80. Posted:

Up until the real troll showed up we had a good dialog going.

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