Look at the upcoming software - Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart 8, DKCR - doesnt it look like Nintendo is targeting 3DS owners as potential Wii U buyers? Or is it just me?
Nope, the unoriginality of this is just an honestly great way to get titles that will be popular out before its too late. Though I wouldn't be too surprised if the 3DS version of DKCR exists partially to remind Nintendo consumers that that game exists and is awesome.
Similar reasons why 3DS had to have a confirmed rushed Mario Kart and N64 remakes before getting actual must-own titles like KI:U, New Leaf, Fire Emblem Awakening etc.
Look at the upcoming software - Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart 8, DKCR - doesnt it look like Nintendo is targeting 3DS owners as potential Wii U buyers? Or is it just me?
A proper Pokemon game should come to the console, surely it'd sell consoles. Online play would solve any problems that come about from it not being on a portable console, would it not?
Every generation of Nintendo consoles and handhelds has lots of cross over so this is just more of the same. It worked out real well for them in the NES-SNES/Gameboy days and Wii/DS. But N64 and Gamecube in each console's respective life cycle didn't garner the same success as the handhelds were having. So far that seems to be the case for Wii U in comparison to 3DS. Wii U sales aren't anything a price drop, good advertising and more first party games can't fix though. PS4 and X1 will both be pretty expensive for a while and eventhough both have some franchises that are big sellers, main ones being Uncharted for Sony and obviously Halo for Xbox, neither sells on the level of Mario, Mario Kart or Smash.
Look at the upcoming software - Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart 8, DKCR - doesn't it look like Nintendo is targeting 3DS owners as potential Wii U buyers? Or is it just me?
Nope, the unoriginality of this is just an honestly great way to get titles that will be popular out before its too late. Though I wouldn't be too surprised if the 3DS version of DKCR exists partially to remind Nintendo consumers that that game exists and is awesome.
Similar reasons why 3DS had to have a confirmed rushed Mario Kart and N64 remakes before getting actual must-own titles like KI:U, New Leaf, Fire Emblem Awakening etc.
Well as a Mario Kart fan I might be a bit biased but I thought Mario Kart 7 was fantastic. Same with the OoT remake which was a port but was very, very well done and I expect the same from the Wind Waker HD remake. Nothing wrong with those titles....
I think we're reading into randomness a bit here. If the Gamecube was the last Nintendo success story we probably would have been talking about how they tried to boost Wii sales by releasing the NPC games. Maybe we'd still be talking about how they were trying to revive the Wii U and 3DS with Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion and Pikmin. They're pulling titles from all over the place not just the 3DS.
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"Don't stir the pot" is a nice way of saying "they're too dumb to reason with"
It just seems like it as this is the closet we've had a Nintendo console and handheld released/announced to each other. So were seeing a ton of the same IP and games as Nintendo gets the most popular stuff to try and get the Wii U back on track.
For reference there are two killzone games releasing this year.
Well yes, Mario Kart was on the console first, but no game has ever been called Mario Kart 2, Mario Kart 3 etc.... Now, after a succesful Mario Kart 7, Mario Kart 8 is on the Wii U. This and using Mario 3D Land brand seems to suggest they're going with 3DS brands
Point is, all 3 of these games sold well on 3DS (which has a bigger install base than Wii U, meaning not every 3DS owner has a Wii U) and now they all coming to Wii U, with the 3D Mario and Mario Kart using the 3DS brand. That aint no coincidence when you're trying to sell stuff
They've been using similar branding across platforms since the NES and GB era. They had Kirby's Dream Land and then Kirby's Adventure, they had Super Mario Bros and then Super Mario Land, they had Metroid on the NES and then Metroid 2 on the Gameboy. So to say that this is somehow a "Wii U is struggling, lets use 3DS games to save it" and nothing more is a bit of a stretch. You could pick any two Nintendo consoles of the same era and you'll find series that had a version on both.
Also if it was purely that and not just the same old using popular brands to sell games there's something missing. The 3DS also had Luigi's Mansion, Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus, Animal Crossing, Mario & Luigi and a remake of Starfox 64. The Wii U doesn't have any of those on the horizon. Instead it is getting/has Pikmin 3, Game & Wario, The W101, Lego City, X and Bayonetta 2. None of which have 3DS success stories to back them and most have never been portable games.
And sorry for not responding to your pooint about Pokemon. I dont play the game so I cant constructively debate it.
Just making a point that Nintendo looks like its trying to sell the Wii U to 3DS owners, with the games its putting out
Well it's clear that you don't if you think Pokemon is as easily translatable to a home console as Mario Kart or 3D Land
I wrote that while Iwas suppose to be working. I apologise for those horrible sentences.
I can't think of any direct sequal, from the handheld to home console platform. Maybe there are examples, but I can't name any...so excuse me if I persist with my point.
Surely Nintendo have considered that it might be easier to sell the Wii U to 3DS owners, than any other target market? That makes sense, as part of an executive thought process, doesn't it?
It's Mario 3D World that really made me think this is part of their thinking. I mean, Mario 3D Land has got 3D in the title because of the 3D effect of the handheld, not because it isn't a 2D platformer. The title 'Super Mario 3D World' makes no sense, in any other context beyond targeting Super Mario 3D Land players.
Then a few minutes later, in the E3 Direct, they announce Mario Kart 8. All Mario Karts before Mario Kart 7 have unique titles, but not this one. It sounds much more like a sequal than any other Kart. Again, a sequal to a game played by 3DS owners.
But maybe I am wrong. And it is all a coincidence. Regardless, I believe in my reasoning.
And in relevance to the thread, because of this, it would not surprise me if the biggest Pokemon ever imagined, was announced for the Wii U, tomorrow.
I'm been thinking about something for a while. This is something I want to ask to all of you 3DS owners that are fence-sitting on the Wii U:
what if Nintendo were to release Miiverse on the 3DS accessible only to Wii U owners through their Nintendo Network ID?
what if at the same time Nintendo converged both the 3DS and the Wii U eShop into the Nintendo eShop, meaning both account credits would be connected, plus streamlined the Deluxe Digital Promotion so that digital downloads on both a NNID's Wii U and 3DS would be taken in account for the 10%-off promotion?
What if they did that with the September/October Wii U update, thus giving incentive to 3DS owners in "upgrading" to the Wii U among fresh new releases (Pikmin 3, The Wonderful 101) and games that in titles seem to be in the continuity of 3DS blockbusters (Super Mario 3D World, Mario Kart 8)? What if they did that with a "strict account management" also intended to erase fears of Nintendo's console-tied downloadable software system?
What if at that time they released in the West the white 32GB, 8-hour battery Wii U with the DDP and without Nintendo Land for 300 dollars/euros?
So again, what if Nintendo is indeed planning to unify both of their public, 3DS and Wii U owners?
@Tim_Slim
I already mentioned a few handheld titles that got home console sequels in the past. Kirby was originally a Gameboy Game before Kirby's Adventure, New SMB was on the DS first, the Art Style series was originally on the GBA before it appeared on the DS and Wii, Rhythm Heaven was a handheld game first. It's not unprecedented.
The reason it usually goes the other way is because handhelds are usually a couple of generations behind in terms of graphical power. Luigi's Mansion, Pikmin, Metroid Prime and Animal Crossing wouldn't have worked on the GBA. Starfox, Mario Kart and Super Mario RPG/Paper Mario wouldn't have worked on the Gameboy. Regardless of how good the idea might have been and even proved to be now it couldn't be done with the handheld tech of the time.
Yes, 3D World is a strange title and Nintendo is great for strange titles. It can however make sense in a strange sort of way and it's not necessarily purely there as a Wii U marketing strategy to make it 'seem like a 3DS'. The New SMB series was called that because it was a revival of the 2D Mario which had been buried since Super Mario Land 2 in 1992. So they have a history of naming things in a way that makes sense in a way but is a little bit weird. In a similar way the Super Mario 3D series wasn't built for stereoscopic 3D but was actually built as a game to take place between the 2D and 3D Marios.
We felt that there was something missing in the evolution of Mario gaming between Super Mario World and Super Mario 64. This feeling gave us the idea that we could create something interesting by applying 2D Mario rules to the 3D Mario know-how that we had accumulated.
So their stated reason for it is the same as the one for New SMB. There was a gap in the currently released games of the series so they filled it. Simple as that.
As for Mario Kart 8 I really don't know how that's proof of anything at all. It's definitely not proof of the 'inevitability' of a massive Pokemon game on the Wii U built specifically to capitalise on the success of the 3DS. Actually I'm fairly sure that if they had called the two Mario Kart games "Mario Kart 3D" and "Mario Kart U" you'd probably be saying the same thing. Like I said, you're reading into patterns that have existed across every single console Nintendo have ever made.
@DePapier
Wouldn't make a difference. It's something we want but at most a unified system would be a nice little perk. Plus if they unify them this
@skywake Not if they want to keep the spirit of the Wii U's Miiverse by making sure everyone on Miiverse owns a Wii U. How would they manage 10x times the size of the Wii U audience while keeping it an empathy network? What if they don't give another option?
I appreciate it's a basic concept and it's easy to be countered. But I stand by my belief that Nntendo are specifically, and deliberately, targeting 3DS owners with their upcoming line-up.
I'm keen to hear about what else they've got in development. And whether it's from the 3DS cannon.
P.S. I definitely didn't say Mario Kart 8 is proof on an 'inevitable' massive Pokemon game.
@skywake Not if they want to keep the spirit of the Wii U's Miiverse by making sure everyone on Miiverse owns a Wii U. How would they manage 10x times the size of the Wii U audience while keeping it an empathy network? What if they don't give another option?
Not really. Let me put it this way, if they had kept facebook as a University network that wouldn't have meant higher university enrollments. If they had kept twitter as an SMS only service that wouldn't have resulted in a higher usage of SMS services. It would have just meant that those services never became what they are now. MiiVerse only allowing Wii U owners when it goes live on the 3DS wouldn't drive Wii U sales. It would just mean it would never have a chance to become big outside of the Wii U.
I appreciate it's a basic concept and it's easy to be countered. But I stand by my belief that Nntendo are specifically, and deliberately, targeting 3DS owners with their upcoming line-up. I'm keen to hear about what else they've got in development. And whether it's from the 3DS cannon.
P.S. I definitely didn't say Mario Kart 8 is proof on an 'inevitable' massive Pokemon game.
And in relevance to the thread, because of this, it would not surprise me if the biggest Pokemon ever imagined, was announced for the Wii U, tomorrow.
but ok, fine. As for what's in development for Wii U we already know a fair amount.So let's just ignore 3D World, New SMB, Mario Kart and Donkey Kong Country Returns... even though all but the Super Mario 3D were bigger on Wii than 3DS. Whatever, let's do it and pretend those games are built to specifically target the 3DS userbase. Even with that concession which is ludicrous the Wii U still has Wind Waker HD, Nintendo Land, Game & Wario, Lego City, Pikmin 3, W101, Bayonetta 2, X, Smash Bros, Wii Fit U, new Zelda and Yarn Yoshi.
I think it's pretty clear that you're cherry picking games and ignoring the fact that this happens between all sorts of platforms and not just 3DS -> Wii U. Why not make a point about how the 3DS is trying to leverage the success of Wii games with DKCR, Wii Fit and New SMB? Why not make a point about the popularity of Gamecube games being leveraged with Luigi's Mansion, Pikmin, Animal Crossing and Wind Waker? Why not make a point of how they're leveraging the popularity of SNES games with a Link to the Past sequel, Super Mario 3D World and Donkey Kong Country?
There is a LOT of this going on, pretending it's just the 3DS being used in this way ignores all of the other stuff that's going on.
Look at the upcoming software - Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart 8, DKCR - doesn't it look like Nintendo is targeting 3DS owners as potential Wii U buyers? Or is it just me?
Nope, the unoriginality of this is just an honestly great way to get titles that will be popular out before its too late. Though I wouldn't be too surprised if the 3DS version of DKCR exists partially to remind Nintendo consumers that that game exists and is awesome.
Similar reasons why 3DS had to have a confirmed rushed Mario Kart and N64 remakes before getting actual must-own titles like KI:U, New Leaf, Fire Emblem Awakening etc.
Well as a Mario Kart fan I might be a bit biased but I thought Mario Kart 7 was fantastic.
As a Mario Kart fan I am biased against rushed games for the series.
I mean for a rushed game it's good and the quality was still there including the excellent tracks that were as good as ever, but it's still one of the most pointless gaming purchases I've made.
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Well its the game on my 3DS that I've spent the second most time playing behind Animal Crossing. My main and pretty much only complaint was that it lacked a way to track time trial records online anywhere near as good as Mario Kart Wii. Even the streetpass trading of ghosts was a bit gimped because it was only for one random track. For every other aspect it improved on previous games a lot.
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"Don't stir the pot" is a nice way of saying "they're too dumb to reason with"
You have listed examples of games across platforms. Those may be true examples. But even so, that doesn't change the fact that both Mario 3D World and Mario Kart 8, are direct sequels to 3DS games. In a time when Nintendo is struggling to sell home consoles and thriving in the handheld market. So you can stick to your point that there are other examples, but it doesn't counter anything.
Yes I have cherry picked. I was specifically using those games as an example. Of course I picked them on purpose. That doesn't take any weight against my argument. I never said every Wii U game is a 3DS game.
And I would like to make a point that you have a habit of incorrectly saying that I've said something. I never said Pokemon was inevitable, I said it wouldn't surprise me. And I never said that it's only the 3DS being used this way. Stop doing that, please.
back to the topic of console wars I think the key to winning is making a game called "console wars" where players with any console or even PC can fight against each other to see wich system is the best! and so dramatically reducing the number of people going to gaming sites of companies they dislike only to troll!!! and ending the internet discussions because everyone that cares will be playing to show their console is the best. never bothering those who just want to chat with other players with same videogame tastes without childish fights
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You think its ludicrous to suggest that Nintendo are deliberately building games to target the 3DS userbase?
You can spin your points anyway you like. But I'm gonna going to be as stubborn as you are, and say you are wrong.
I don't agree with you and you don't really make sense IMO.
I mean yeah someone who owns a 3DS would possibly be more likely to buy a Wii U than somebody who doesn't own one. But at the same time, I own a 3DS and am not a Wii U owner, and with the current line up I'm less likely to buy a Wii U because I own a 3DS and I feel as though I can get a 'better' Nintendo experience on my 3DS at the moment than I could if I got a Wii U. I mean yeah there are some awesome games on the Wii U that'd I'd love to play and some awesome games coming out. But right now the only real game for the Wii U that I'd want to play would be Wind Waker HD because it's one of my favorite Zelda games of all time and would love to play a remake of it. But at the same time 3DS owners are getting a new Zelda game before the Wii U so I mean it's like why would I spend $350 on a Wii U when there are hardly any games that I'd like to play and almost all the Nintendo games that I'm looking forward to are coming to the 3DS. So I would say Nintendo isn't trying to target 3DS owners specifically, if they did that then they would just lose money. Besides, I can't speak for every 3DS owner, but they already have plenty of my money.
Basically what I'm saying is: I feel like I get a superior Nintendo experience on the 3DS, so why buy a Wii U?
But I do love the Wii U, I haven't played it but it's an awesome console with tons of potential and I'm sure one day I'll get one, but not right now.
On topic, I'm sure a Pokemon game would boost Wii U sales, but mainline Pokemon games should stay on handhelds, that's where they were born and that's where they should stay. I mean the whole foundation of them is just meant for a handheld so I don't think it would work too well on a console. But I mean if they made one with the Wii U in mind, I could potentially see it working out.
I don't disagree with your point that 3DS is the better experience. And it may well be completely true.
AlthoughI I would take exception to you saying the only reason to buy a Wii U, as a 3DS owner, is Wind Waker. Those are your feelings. There will always be individuals.
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