Topic: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U - OT

Wolf isn't a freaking clone or semi-clone, and Lucas is a semi-clone. smh.

I have no issue with any of these characters except for the first two. Playable characters work better for playable character slots, so I'd put in Dixie and Sylux to additionally rep. Donkey Kong and Metroid respectively. That said, due to the fact the only other playable characters aside from Samus in the Metroid series aren't that well known or impactful, I'd say Metroid is right where it should be at 2 reps unless they decide to add another Samus in the form of Justin Bailey, which I'll admit could be interesting.

I'm just going to assume that you inserted a huge "GENERALLY" in your post, because I can point out a lot of characters in Smash that are not normally playable otherwise.

WHAAAAAAAAAAATTTTT????

I can't believe I have not tried this yet, but the alternate costumes for Bowser Jr. are the seven Koopalings. Why did it take me so long to find this?

Ganondorf - became playable in Hyrule Warriors
Sheik - became playable in Hyrule Warriors
Duck Hunt
Palutena
Wii Fit Trainer

There are only five characters in Smash 4's roster that haven't already been playable to some extent outside of the series. That's no where near a lot. It's around 10% of the game's total roster. Playable characters are better suited for playable character slots in this game.

Lucina's alternates are the female characters of Awakening

K. Rool: don't really care. I think Dixie would be a better choice
Ridley: sure if 1. They can make him work (unlikely) and 2. To convince stubborn Ridley fans
Wolf: sure
Mewtwo: yes but also to convince stubborn Mewtwo fans
Bandana Dee: not a chance
Roy: nope. gimme Chrom instead if we have to have another FE rep
Lucas: yes
Isaac: yeah, only because his exclusion so far is suspicious

I still think we could see a Rhythm Heaven character, Impa, Excitebiker, and (dare I say it) Proto Man.

Bass and Zero trophy. Also Roll and Proto Man are mention too

Woah those trophies look awesome!!

I think we can all agree that Ganondorf should have been based on his Hyrule Warriors play style, he also wouldn't be a slow Captain Falcon clone that way.

Hyrule Warriors is probably too new for Sakurai to have pulled inspiration from (another reason why I'm a little unsure about Impa). Who knows if he even knew what Ganondorf was like in the game if Koei Tecmo was developing it. At the very least I think it's reasonable to say Sakurai didn't know much about Ganondorf in the game at the time of Smash's development.

"Pic of the day. Here's Bass, a trophy for the Wii U version!! When I first saw this, I was really surprised by the quality of this trophy and Treble's presence. Even though this will only appear as a trophy, this was made from the ground up. Designers really are amazing."

"Zero's here too!! There are also trophies of Roll and Proto Man."

Wow, these Trophies look beautiful. I'm very surprised also that these were from the ground up. Can't wait to see more Trophies in gorgeous HD.

I guess the mention of Proto Man as a Trophy probably kills my theory of him being playable DLC. My only question now is why they didn't make him an Assist...

Also, seeing more MMX stuff makes me really hope that they add some music from the X series in the Wii U version. There are many great tracks in Mega Man X1 that I would love to see get some remixes. Then again, a MMX song might not work for the Dr. Wily stage...

Bass? Treble? Zero?!! !!!! !!! !!!!!
HHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!

Is it only me that's annoyed by the lack of lighting on the trophy screen shots? The models all look fantastic, but all trophy models are just put on top on a Smash Brothers disc model, without casting any shadows. I get the impression that this would never happen if it had been made by a Nintendo EAD (look at the 3D awards at the end of a MK8 cup for example).

While that doesn't bother me too much, I understand what you mean completely.

I think why people call Lucario a clone (I say Copy, Paste and Edit job.) off Mewtwo because of the similarities. Outside Smash: They both have bipedal bodies. They talk through telepathy. Can learn very similar moves and both had a movie with Mew along with having massive rolls in the Pokemon universe. Often people compare these two as rivals and even both are very iconic and have a fan base that most of the time attack each other in my veiw.
In Smash: I play Mewtwo more up in peoples face than Lucario. Lucario can do that too, but I also see a high gameplay of defensiveness too. Both have long rolls, good juggling air attacks such as Forward and Up, Up smashes kinda the same except Mewtwo hits multiple times, both Side Smash's have sweet spots, both have pretty good recovery and with both I commonly see them get Ko'ed by launch, both are floaty and light, both have good grabs and pummeling is kinda the same, the Nautral B is the same. Forgot to mention Shadow Energy was basically replaced by Aura purple flame.
These are what are similar between the two for me and maybe these are why people say "Clone".

So much detail.

What's everyone's top 10 bests/mains? Would be interesting to know everyone's. I can start off:

1. Charizard
2. ROB
3. Captain Falcon
4. Luigi
5. Doctor Mario/Mario (they are both technically the same)
6. Ike
7. Donkey Kong
8. Bowser
9. Villager
10. Greninja

Got my Yoshi classic controller that looks like a Gamecube controller yesterday. The time to Super Smash with it is soon to come.