I think we all know by now that Nintendo isn't gonna be stupid enough to dump the Wii U just because of Critics stating it being a flop. Secondly, So far, Wii U has a potential of having great platform games and I love platform games in general. And finally even if the system fails to compete this gen, We all should be happy that Nintendo is allowing us to adapt into new ways of playing games and this should go on for Nintendo and I want them to keep doing this. It makes me happy that Nintendo is the only one trying something new. Rumble feature couldn't have been done without Nintendo. Saves couldn't have been done without Nintendo. 3D platformers wouldn't have been perfect if it weren't for Super Mario 64 and so on.
If only Nintendo could buy more studios.........and make more franchises.........
That whole "blah wouldn't have happened without Nintendo" thing isn't something I buy really. I'm sure that if Nintendo hadn't come out with rumble, analogue sticks, game saves, d-pads and 3D platformers someone else would have. Plus the talent that's at Nintendo would have still existed elsewhere. Same with the idea of motion controlled games or the revival of the industry in the US post-bust and so on. Someone else would have picked up the slack.
Although without Nintendo platformers probably wouldn't still be around and as big as they are. Nintendo owns that genre and has kept it alive almost single handedly. We also probably wouldn't have a handheld console market still, that would have been probably absorbed by phones/tablets by now. The home console market probably wouldn't be as interested in appealing to kids and casuals as it is. So they're a big influence.... I just don't think they're that big.
It's like the idea that without Apple phones wouldn't have had touch screens and portable music wouldn't have existed. No, they were the ones who popularised and innovated the most in that space but without them those things still happen. Some ideas are just a matter of waiting for the tech that'll make it possible to become cheap enough. The one who jumps on at the right time and/or with the best implementation "wins" but without the "winner" second place gets it instead.
Think Wii U lack of sales have become mostly myth now. Every store I've shopped at has been out of stock while I literally see Xbox Ones sitting there (no PS4's) though.
You should call up npd and enlighten them with your anecdotal evidence.
Never mind the fact your local stores could be carrying hundreds of Xbox One's and just a few Wii U's.
Yeah, anecdotal evidence is the least accurate and least indicative evidence of reality and, unfortunately for many, simultaneously the most persuasive.
I have been shopping WAY too much in Target, Best Buy, Toys R Us, etc. It's sad I've been to all these stores so much recently (have kids so such is life). Anyway I have literally seen inventory turn in these stores repeatedly.
Honestly I don't care if the Wii U sells half of the competition. They sell 40-50 million and have the insanely high attach ratios for their software and they are more than fine.
What makes me sick is ALL of these stories, threads etc. The PS Vita is an absolute out and out failure and I don't have to constantly read about how Sony is doomed.
Nintendo is in extremely good financial standing. They will never have a great third party line up because they care mostly about their software and haven't given a hoot about relationships since NES days. Don't care what they say they know how to line THEIR pockets.
This is probably my personal favorite system ever with off screen play and the Nintendo games I want to play so in the end I don't care what current crap is popular.
Well I think (just think) they'll be fine. I will enjoy mine either way.
I'm really interested in seeing what the xbox does after the holiday. I have never seen a new console available this much after launch.
I have been to the same store 2-3 times a day past few days and they have been sitting there. It's odd to see that. All the Craigslist ppl trying to make a profit from hot new system are selling at no profit just to get money back.
This is anecdotal but I'm merely interested. I have no interest in MS or ever owning that system but knowing their business practices wouldn't surprise me to hear about them paying the cost to keep that quiet.
I will get a PS4 or Steam Box eventually but looking forward more to Wii U games coming up. I will always be a Nintendo Nerd first though
I was at Gamestop at my local mall yesterday. Hung out there with my brother for about an hour and a half playing demos, talking to the employees and other people about games and such. I saw 3 people, 2 of them in the same family, try out Knack on PS4 while 8 people(2 teenagers even!) had tried the Wii U while we were there. I was extremely happy to see this. Maybe more and more people are getting tired that the only notable difference between each gen is graphical improvement.
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Waiting for: BOTW 2, Metroid Prime 4, Xenoblade Chronicles 3
To those saying 'hey my store is sold out of Wii U's, I believe it is making a comeback!': Your anecdotal evidence is absolutely meaningless. It's as factual as your opinion, which is also meaningless. Let me explain.
Even if you know the inventory of Wii U systems at EVERY store in your city, and you monitor every change in inventory at EVERY store over an extended period of time (because.. you know.. sales aren't the same every day) you are still accounting for an unbelievably small portion of the market.
There are tens of thousands of cities in the United States. Let's say 30,000. Even if you know EVERYTHING about your city, you are tracking 1/30,000. Which is 0.003% of the US market.
That is right, you are using 0.003% to make a prediction on the Wii U's state. Even if you don't understand why this is idiotic - that's fine, I don't expect everyone here to be a genius - think about it another way. Let's say politics for instance.
Would anyone ever, ever use a sample size of 0.003% of the population, or one city, to estimate who will win a political election? Of course not, certain regions will vote 90% for one candidate, even if that candidate is the overall loser. Apply this to console sales. The Wii U will be a lot more popular in certain cities, regardless of its overall success. Same goes for every other console.
Those using their anecdotal store visits to wave their happy Nintendo flag are not understanding probability, statistics, outliers, etc. Wii U's are out of stock in your store? That's terrific, what about the other hundreds of thousands of stores? Oh never mind them, people are buying Wii U's at your store on one day, surely that's indicative of a long nationwide trend.
Wii U:s sales will not be affecting to me at least at all. Gamecube didn't sell too well, and it has a wonderful catalogue of games. Besides, after Nintendo releases info about new Metroid (they will at some point) and announces the next major Zelda game, it will sell enough (not as much as it's competitors, but why would it matter?) There'll be just too many must have exclusive games at that point.
He's just adding some reality to the situation. What he is saying about anecdotal evidence is right on, and people rely on it far too heavily to form their opinion.
Especially when it comes to something that isn't even subjective. In this case, Wii U sales. Some people "feel" like the Wii U is doing better (or really, really, really want it to), so they choose to believe it is because their local store is sold out of the four they had on hand.
There is nothing wrong with wanting the Wii U to do better. As a huge Nintendo fan I want it do better. But I'm not going to lie to myself to make myself feel better about the sales situation. That's not being cynical, it's being realistic.
I think some people are just saying they don't care all that much about the sales numbers. If no one purchased a Wii U ever again after tomorrow it would have zero impact on my enjoyment.
If I was so down on the Wii U I would simply purchase another system and enjoy that instead. I personally prefer Wii U and it's games compared to my other options.
I don't understand how a plastic box can be doomed.
It really doesn't matter what anybody says on either side. If you like the system, you like the system. If you're a gamer, it's only in your best interest to have as many options available to you as possible. It's really as simple as that.
Would anyone ever, ever use a sample size of 0.003% of the population, or one city, to estimate who will win a political election? Of course not, certain regions will vote 90% for one candidate, even if that candidate is the overall loser. Apply this to console sales. The Wii U will be a lot more popular in certain cities, regardless of its overall success. Same goes for every other console.
Yes, they do it twice weekly. It's called polling. At the last Australian election they were polling between 0.004% and 0.02% of the population and making predictions. Of course their methodology broke this time because there was a new party which got a good 5% of the vote and they made incorrect assumptions on how their constituents would allocate preferences. Other than that they were pretty much on the money. I'll get back to assumptions in a bit.
As for the idea that this person's city is an outlier statistically then you are right that they could be. If they were picked at random then odds are that they wouldn't be and it would be wrong to come to the conclusion that they must be. If you picked two random cities and both were sold out then you could with some confidence say that it was selling well. However this forum is not random. The thing about forums is that you only post things when you think they're noteworthy. That average person may have visited this thread also and just not bothered to mention the fact that there were Wii Us easily available where they are.
Then there's the other assumption. Like the new party in Australian politics that broke their election predictions there might be something else at play. Maybe these particular stores decided not to stock as many because it wasn't selling as well. Assumed it wouldn't sell at all over the next few months and it turns out they moved their 5 units in stock. Meanwhile they sold 20 of their 50 XBOnes. Usually when I have trouble finding a game it's not the most popular one or the million seller. It's the one that tanked and the retailers predicted it would so they didn't stock it. Sometimes I wonder if a game tanks because retailers assume it won't sell and therefore don't stock it....
Your political polling didn't take place in one area. They don't take a poll of only Miami and then guess a Democrat will win.
That would be the point of my post
#1 The majority of cities are not Miami or whatever the Australian equivalent is. Melbourne? They're closer to 50:50
#2 Even the Melbournes of the world have a good 30% voting conservative
#3 Console preferences aren't anywhere near as habitual as voting preferences
Ok, no reputable poll only surveys [insert any city name here]. As for your first number, you have no idea whether or not people here live in the Melbourne of Wii U sales or the Texas of Wii U sales.
And your second and third numbers aren't really relevant to what I said. Nowhere did I say console preferences are habitual, but there are trends which is why testing such small non-randomly distributed sample is insignificant.
Console sales and political elections aren't uniform so anecdotal evidence in isolated areas is not a good estimation for either. If you'd like to make your own analogy that you think works better as to why the people on this site are wrong, be my guest. lol
I think some people are just saying they don't care all that much about the sales numbers. If no one purchased a Wii U ever again after tomorrow it would have zero impact on my enjoyment.
But...if no more Wii U's were purchased, then nobody, not even Nintendo, would make any games for it. That would impact your enjoyment. Poor sales mean people will be less likely to invest money into bringing games to the system. Poor sales absolutely can impact your future enjoyment of the system.
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What market is this for? I like the setup of the chart. but why is Wii U only showing ~1.6M sales LTD? That aside, based on the trends here, the outlook for Wii U is dismal. It's under-performing the DC that sold around 10.5M units total, and is far behind the GCN.
And for everyone who comments that sales don't matter... ultimately they do. Stronger sales = more games. After one year EA already pulled the plug on Wii U (I understand there's more to it than just sales...) I would love to have some new sports games on the Wii U, but unfortunately Madden and FIFA 2013 are all we may get, and that stinks.
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