Topic: I hate hard games!

D: Well it can't get easier than MM10 on easy mode WITH BASS DLC.

Yeah, and Nintendo is probably the biggest offender in this regard. Mario Kart, for example (especially Mario Kart Wii) substitutes challenge with blatant cheatery. Destroying the AI for 2.9 laps and getting hit by a blue shell at the last second for a 12th place loss--not THAT'S the kind of "hard" game that gamers shouldn't have to deal with. But again, that's a game that's hard because of poor design choices. A good challenging game actually tests your skill.

There's a Super Easy mode?!

As long as u have Bass DLC, pretty much

At convenience stores ciggarettes are sold alongside candy, should we also group them together simply because of that?

Furthermore, the example you gave of someone being unable to progress beyond a point in some theoretic movie game is dumb, as button-mashing was rarely of any relevance in gaming and definiely hasn't been rising in popularity of late. If the movie game was worth experiencing, it wouldn't require stupid challenges for progress.

I enjoy when games place tricky sections in front of the ending and require me to practice to achieve my goal. Tis true that often it isn't done so well, like if there are some cheap points, or a huge difficulty spike that the game didn't prepare you for. Many "gamers" nowadays aren't really looking for games nowadays, so much as experiences. Rather than working to overcome some sort of challenge, they would rather just wander about doing as they please without worry. I've got nothing against the games that are more about experiences, and to be honest that is what I spend most of my gaming time with, I just like to relax with a nice stress-free RPG. The annoying thing is the people who begin gaming with these experiences, and then dig deeper, but having been babied they lack skill, and rather than practicing to gain skill they complain since they don't want to have to put effort in because other games don't make them put he effort in.

In this instance the sports comparison is much stronger, than your movie comparison. Just like sports and life, you don't always get what you want, and without work you rarely do. Making games in such a "work leads to reward" type of way, is good as it leads to some type of work ethic. The "buy it and you get rewarded" type of attitude is a bad one, as rather than encouraging work, it instead gives people an unwarrented sense of entitlement.

No, by paying for it, you earned the right to own it and play it. You are not obligated to beat the game, and the developer is not obligated to make it easy for you either.

@Klapaucius: as long as beating the game is humanly possible, the developer has no other obligations to make things easy for you. Also, I kinda resent the implication that the rest of us who are okay with harder games perhaps have more money to blow on them or have them given to us when we ask. The only thing that separates us from those who purchase their own games and whine about the difficulty level (and that's if we don't purchase our own games already) is that we're willing to put in the effort it takes to beat a game when it comes down to it. If you're not willing to put in any effort, just do your homework and don't bother buying hard or tricky games.

Seriously. I don't understand why you think video games are just like movies and novels because they are placed near each other sometimes, yet have nothing in common with sports when in fact video games are sports, and sports are games -- just one isn't athletic. That's extremely inconsistent.

Most story-driven games are extremely easy, anyway, so I don't see why anyone would complain, and if you really just want to see the ending and not play the game, watch it on Youtube. You can save yourself some money that way, too. I actually like watching speed runs of some games.

So many comments in this thread make me a sad panda.

At the risk of sounding like a total jag officer, suck it up people. If you can't get through a hard game, that's on you. Comparing games with any type of passive media is so logic-defying that it hurts my head. If you buy a game that's too hard to get through, congratulations, you learned something. Don't buy another game similar to that if it bothers you that much. Or rent a game to gauge its challenge level vis a vis your personal skills.

There are plenty of games that pish me off because i'll get to a challenging part that i just can't get past. Oh well, i suck. Put it aside and come back to it another day, another month, or another year later.

^{Again, i realize i've probably pished some people off with my comments. But i know Adam's got my back, right? (looks around) Right?}

That's different. That's bad Game design. That's where you should look stuff up before buying a game to make sure it doesn't pull stupid stunts like that, and that's where I'd actually recommend you move on because there's no point wasting time with a bad game.

I don't know, Shpydar. I'm afraid you might turn around and pish on me, and until I discover what this pish substance is, I'm going to be wary.

In case you haven't noticed, but the vast majority of commentors here agree with you 110%. In fact, I think the OP is the only one here who needs to "suck it up".

@Adam: this from the man who regularly leaves poo on people's BL pages?

that said, The Shpydar, there's more than just Adam in here that have your back, dude. :3

I'd still consider it a waste of time. Heck, at that point, I usually just consider the game beaten by commity and just start over from the beginning, enjoying the parts that aren't unfair.

Win. xD
^{And for the record, those weren't typos, just a strange habit i have of typing "pish" rather than "piss". I don't get it either.}

@tbd
And i know you always got my back, unless i try to start a new topic where there's already an existing thread.
^{i'm banned now, aren't i?}

I'm obviously in love with him.

@faildude So you love him yet you call him an insult to the gaming community which would mean he's insulting you. So why do you love him then?

What was tough about Sonic Riders?

Sonic riders wasn't genuinely challenging, it was unfairly tough as punny guy said. This is because of having to go to pits when you run out of air, bad AI, rebounding off walls and other problems.

You don't need to go to pits if you maintain your air, and if you can control your character you don't run into walls.