... and this is exactly why people branding any and every 3DS game a flop based on just the placement in the UK charts is annoying and yet people continue to do it!
AFAIK although the UK is the largest individual market in Europe it only takes France and Germany to equal it so although some titles may struggle in the UK that doesn't speak for the whole of Europe and definitely not for the whole world.
The think it's because it's got negative connotations. Are the PS3 and 360 versions called ports? Nope(even though they are ports of PC code). So why if the game is launching simultaneously on PS3/360/PC/WiiU is the Wii U the only one regarded as a port?
Did Circle actually develop this inhouse? Not disagreeing with the score but I noticed that on their website it's listed under "cooperation product" so I was curious.
I also noticed that their first eShop game seems to be releasing soon! Sweet Memories: Blackjack(and Devil Band for DSiware) have both been bumped up the list and have "Upcoming" on there. Castle Conqueror Dark Age(the one coming for the eShop) has a spiffy new banner as well!
Anyway, cheers for the review. I won't be downloading this.
This is supposed to be released in Europe at some point but 505 Games haven't announced the release dare then. I will definitely get it whenever it does come out!
@ChocoGoldfish Well TV ads would probably help in some cases(but it'd be wasted budget in others)... maybe it's just me but with the exception of Revelations I don't think there's been any attempt at building excitement for a third party 3DS game. The only games(Revelations excepted) I remember even having banners ads were Street Fighter, DOA, Resi Mercenaries, One Piece and Tekken and all of those are being handled by Nintendo in Europe!
It's even the simplest little things like the fact that Tales of the Abyss doesn't have a page on the eShop. A page on the eShop could potentially help it quite a bit and surely wouldn't cost a lot to put up... so why hasn't Namco done it?
It might be different in other regions... Crystal Bearers got TV ads in Japan and the US and it's whole marketing campaign in Europe consisted of a four page ad in one issue of ONM. It was a really shockingly bad effort.
@Weird_Fox There's just as many Kingdom Hearts games on Nintendo systems nowadays. Sony has KH1, KH2, Re: Chain of Memories and Birth By Sleep. Nintendo has Chain of Memories, 358/2 Days, Re: Coded and Dream Drop Distance.
A lot of people have said "Nintendo should support third parties more", would one of you guys elaborate on how and how that would make a significant difference?
One recent example would be Tekken 3D. Nintendo of Europe is handling distribution duties(as they have for Street Fighter, both Resident Evils, Dead or Alive and One Piece) and those ads you see on Nintendolife will be at least partially funded by Nintendo. Nintendo is showing quite a bit of support in Europe but the problem is the game itself. It has a severe lack of content; with no story mode, or team battle, or minigames or even customisation. The only new thing it offers compared to Tekken 6(which is available on PS3, 360 and PSP!) is young Heihachi and a poorly received movie. So when 3DS owners skip the game will it be because Nintendo didn't support it or will it be because Namco Bandai failed to make it an attractive package?
" Although this analysis is not necessarily fully accurate"
Understatement of the century. FADE=VGChartz=BS Numbers. Nintendo doesn't release numbers for their digital platforms and if they did it would be through their own PR, not a completely unrelated "analysis" group.
..and of course although Nintendolife is UK based you can't just dismiss a title based on its placement in the UK charts. The UK is the biggest individual market in Europe but it's still only represents a small amount of sales worldwide. Also Mercenaries 3D charted worse and still handily met Capcom's expectations.
EDIT: The only third party that has brought any AAA titles to the 3DS so far is Capcom and they already have two million seller(SSFIV3D and Monster Hunter Tri G), something they never achieved on the DS. The next Third Party AAA game is Kingdom Hearts 3D and 358/2 Days did very well on the DS and outsold Birth By Sleep worldwide.
@Son It's because the Japanese voice actor for Heihachi passed away a year or two back so they de-aged him so they could cast someone else without simply replacing him.
People have been saying this same stuff for every 3DS games and it's just getting tiring. People were even saying Mario Kart and Super Mario 3D Land flopped due to chart placement in the UK. As a Brit I can proudly proclaim that in the grand scheme of things UK chart placement means absolutely nothing.
In relation to this everyone was proclaiming Mercenaries 3D a massive flop and it met expectations.
RSG is pretty much the only niche publisher in Europe whilst America has dozens and RSG is the one to open another branch? Where the hell is Atlus Europe!?
saltiness over.
RSG is cool(apart from the whole no RF: Oceans Wii) and they're IMO one of the best publishers on Nintendo platforms.
Fatal Frame IV wasn't released because it had game breaking glitches which Tecmo wouldn't fix. Nintendo was planning on releasing it and had even started running ads.
AFAIK isn't the policy just that you can't publish the data publically? I'm not sure how that would affect finance stuff because you'd be free to share the info with potential investors, banks, etc? It would be nice to get some clarification.
Also big LOL@ TIGA talking about sticking up for developers when they convinced the government not to give the industry a tax break, leading directly to the closure of several developers.
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Re: First Impressions: ATV Wild Ride 3D
The graphics are pretty rough but considering it's an indie eShop game it's probably good enough.
Re: Mario's Presence in UK is 'Smallest in the World'
... and this is exactly why people branding any and every 3DS game a flop based on just the placement in the UK charts is annoying and yet people continue to do it!
AFAIK although the UK is the largest individual market in Europe it only takes France and Germany to equal it so although some titles may struggle in the UK that doesn't speak for the whole of Europe and definitely not for the whole world.
Re: Nintendo to Distribute Heroes of Ruin Across Europe
Nice. Seems Nintendo is doing a lot to help third parties in Europe.
Re: First Impressions: Art of Balance TOUCH! (3DS eShop)
I will buy this(for the second time)
Re: Heroes of Ruin is GAME-Exclusive in UK
That's kinda lame to be honest, I'd prefer to get it from Amazon.
Re: Interview: Ludosity - Alien Chaos 3D
Sounds somewhat interesting. Weird that this is te second eShop game to be an update of an Xbox Indies game. Nintendo must be something right!
Re: Monsters Abound in Terry's Wonderland 3D Trailer
I will get this if/when it comes to Europe.
Also use this engine for a DQVII remake nao!
Re: Aliens: Colonial Marines Wii U Definitely "Not a Port"
The think it's because it's got negative connotations. Are the PS3 and 360 versions called ports? Nope(even though they are ports of PC code). So why if the game is launching simultaneously on PS3/360/PC/WiiU is the Wii U the only one regarded as a port?
Re: SEGA to Cancel Games, Focus on Existing IP
They did have an unannounced Vita game which seems like a good candidate for cancellation considering the device's poor sales.
At least we can count on them to keep milking the olympics!
Re: Pokémon Back on Top of Japanese Charts
So apparently Pokémon + Nobunaga has already outsold all of the Nobunaga games... I guess Tecmo Koei must be happy!
Also Kid Icarus and Kingdom Hearts are coming in the next two weeks. That's a nice one two punch.
Re: Dynasty Warriors' Samus & Link Costumes Move Like This
So is this by the Samurai Warriors Chronicles team?
It is a good thing that the 3DS is getting entries that have unique spins on the franchise and I really enjoyed SW Chronicles(my first Musou game!).
Will get this whenever it is released in Europe.
Re: Nintendo Download: 22nd March 2012 (Europe)
Where is Sakura Samurai?
Good to see demos for eShop games anyway.
Re: Review: Pirates Assault (DSiWare)
Did Circle actually develop this inhouse? Not disagreeing with the score but I noticed that on their website it's listed under "cooperation product" so I was curious.
http://www.cir-ent.com/
I also noticed that their first eShop game seems to be releasing soon! Sweet Memories: Blackjack(and Devil Band for DSiware) have both been bumped up the list and have "Upcoming" on there. Castle Conqueror Dark Age(the one coming for the eShop) has a spiffy new banner as well!
Anyway, cheers for the review. I won't be downloading this.
Re: Arc Style: Soccer!! 3D Shoots, Scores on 29th March
That's a bit of a steep price to be honest.
Re: SEGA Drops Three Sonic Games from Japanese VC
Huh Sonic being removed is a surprise... wonder if it has anything to do with Nintendo Network and/or Wii U?
Re: 3D Beauty Clock Timing a Release on 3DS in Japan
Huh a third party app for free? I thought Nintendo didn't allow that....
Re: Review: Nano Assault (3DS)
This is supposed to be released in Europe at some point but 505 Games haven't announced the release dare then. I will definitely get it whenever it does come out!
Re: Be Careful When Watching This Kid Icarus Medusa Trailer
This trailer is even better in 3D on the eShop!
Can't wait for this game now, by the end of the week I will have the entire series on my 3DS.
Re: Nintendo Download: 8th March 2012 (Europe)
Kid Icarus AND Fun! Fun! Minigolf Touch?
NICE!
Re: Fun! Fun! Minigolf TOUCH! Rattles into 3DS Cup Next Week
@OldBoy $5/€5/£4.50.... which is an excellent price really!
I'm getting this ASAP.
Re: Talking Point: 3DS Depends on Nintendo Titles for Success
@ChocoGoldfish Well TV ads would probably help in some cases(but it'd be wasted budget in others)... maybe it's just me but with the exception of Revelations I don't think there's been any attempt at building excitement for a third party 3DS game. The only games(Revelations excepted) I remember even having banners ads were Street Fighter, DOA, Resi Mercenaries, One Piece and Tekken and all of those are being handled by Nintendo in Europe!
It's even the simplest little things like the fact that Tales of the Abyss doesn't have a page on the eShop. A page on the eShop could potentially help it quite a bit and surely wouldn't cost a lot to put up... so why hasn't Namco done it?
It might be different in other regions... Crystal Bearers got TV ads in Japan and the US and it's whole marketing campaign in Europe consisted of a four page ad in one issue of ONM. It was a really shockingly bad effort.
Re: Talking Point: 3DS Depends on Nintendo Titles for Success
@RR529 I like your tastes in third party games... I'd recommend Revelations. It's pretty darn amazing.
My most anticipated 3DS game is Bravely Default.
Re: Talking Point: 3DS Depends on Nintendo Titles for Success
@Weird_Fox There's just as many Kingdom Hearts games on Nintendo systems nowadays. Sony has KH1, KH2, Re: Chain of Memories and Birth By Sleep. Nintendo has Chain of Memories, 358/2 Days, Re: Coded and Dream Drop Distance.
Re: Talking Point: 3DS Depends on Nintendo Titles for Success
A lot of people have said "Nintendo should support third parties more", would one of you guys elaborate on how and how that would make a significant difference?
One recent example would be Tekken 3D. Nintendo of Europe is handling distribution duties(as they have for Street Fighter, both Resident Evils, Dead or Alive and One Piece) and those ads you see on Nintendolife will be at least partially funded by Nintendo. Nintendo is showing quite a bit of support in Europe but the problem is the game itself. It has a severe lack of content; with no story mode, or team battle, or minigames or even customisation. The only new thing it offers compared to Tekken 6(which is available on PS3, 360 and PSP!) is young Heihachi and a poorly received movie. So when 3DS owners skip the game will it be because Nintendo didn't support it or will it be because Namco Bandai failed to make it an attractive package?
Re: Talking Point: 3DS Depends on Nintendo Titles for Success
" Although this analysis is not necessarily fully accurate"
Understatement of the century. FADE=VGChartz=BS Numbers. Nintendo doesn't release numbers for their digital platforms and if they did it would be through their own PR, not a completely unrelated "analysis" group.
..and of course although Nintendolife is UK based you can't just dismiss a title based on its placement in the UK charts. The UK is the biggest individual market in Europe but it's still only represents a small amount of sales worldwide. Also Mercenaries 3D charted worse and still handily met Capcom's expectations.
EDIT: The only third party that has brought any AAA titles to the 3DS so far is Capcom and they already have two million seller(SSFIV3D and Monster Hunter Tri G), something they never achieved on the DS. The next Third Party AAA game is Kingdom Hearts 3D and 358/2 Days did very well on the DS and outsold Birth By Sleep worldwide.
Re: GAME Not Stocking Tekken 3D Prime Edition
@Son It's because the Japanese voice actor for Heihachi passed away a year or two back so they de-aged him so they could cast someone else without simply replacing him.
Re: GAME Not Stocking Tekken 3D Prime Edition
Amazon.co.uk has the game listed for the 29th as well... lol.(I have it ordered there and I'm not in a rush but still...)
Re: First Impressions: Fun! Fun! Minigolf TOUCH! (3DS eShop)
I'm definitely buying this. Sounds like a lot of content and polish for this... AND it's cheaper than the original.
May be one of my go to games for some quick fun.
Re: Ace Mathician is Goodbye Galaxy's Next DSiWare Game
@HugoSmits You could have mixed Mathematician and Magician. Although I guess Mathemagician might just sound like Math Magician.
Re: Wow, CIRCLE Entertainment Really Likes DSiWare
@Martyn: Going off their website they're already working on eShop stuff. http://www.cir-ent.com/ Scroll to the bottom:
Sweet Memories - Black Jack
Castle Conquerors: Dark Age
and ???????(a mystery project)
...all listed for 3DS W.
Re: Ace Mathician is Goodbye Galaxy's Next DSiWare Game
The fact that Circle Entertainment is publishing it is weird - but cool. DSiware seems to be their main platform!
Re: Nintendo Confirms Takeover of MobiClip
Nintendo might make mobiclip part of the SDK for 3DS and not charge any extra licensing for it, I imagine developers would like that.
Re: Tekken Boss Harada Inspired by Super Smash Bros.
I'm getting this game definitely!
Re: Exclusive: SpeedX 3D Racing to 3DS eShop
@6ch6ris6: Qubic Games are making a new AiRace Tunnel for 3DS! I'm also pretty sure Pyramids is only £3.60/$4.
Depending on the price I'll check this out.
Re: Nintendo Download: 9th February 2012 (Europe)
Not a bad week; not a great one either.
Re: 3DS Big Three Keep on Selling in Japan
Actually I'm fairly sure 3DS is closing in on 5 million sold.
http://i.imgur.com/17cUi.png
Source: Garaph.info
Re: Resi Revelations Takes a Hit in UK Charts
People have been saying this same stuff for every 3DS games and it's just getting tiring. People were even saying Mario Kart and Super Mario 3D Land flopped due to chart placement in the UK. As a Brit I can proudly proclaim that in the grand scheme of things UK chart placement means absolutely nothing.
In relation to this everyone was proclaiming Mercenaries 3D a massive flop and it met expectations.
Re: Hironobu Sakaguchi Tours UK to Promote The Last Story
Nice to see the Gooch promoting the game's western release. Hope to see a 3DS and/or Wii U game from him!
Re: Rising Star Games To Open American Office
can I be a bit salty?
RSG is pretty much the only niche publisher in Europe whilst America has dozens and RSG is the one to open another branch? Where the hell is Atlus Europe!?
saltiness over.
RSG is cool(apart from the whole no RF: Oceans Wii) and they're IMO one of the best publishers on Nintendo platforms.
Re: Official Metal Gear Solid 3DS Accessories Grip Europe
Looks better than the game.
Re: Code of Princess Takes the Fight Online
Hope this makes it to Europe. You know what to do RSG!
Re: Flipper 2 Rushes North America on 26th January
I haven't downloaded this yet... will do so soon though.
Re: Rising Star Explains Rune Factory: Oceans Wii No-Show
@James but the PS3 version is exactly the same? and they are not actually required to do more language; Tales of the Abyss is only in English.
Re: Rising Star Explains Rune Factory: Oceans Wii No-Show
Why wasn't it on the table? NA got the Wii version... I'm even more confused now!
Re: Rising Star Games Commits to 3DS with Five Games in 2012
Wait, they're skipping the Wii version of Oceans? Feels bad man.
Re: 3DS Gets Spooked with Spirit Camera: The Cursed Memoir
Fatal Frame IV wasn't released because it had game breaking glitches which Tecmo wouldn't fix. Nintendo was planning on releasing it and had even started running ads.
Re: 3DS Gets Spooked with Spirit Camera: The Cursed Memoir
@saikun: The game isn't called Fatal Frame/Project Zero in Japan. Spirit Camera is its actual name.
Re: Is GO Series: Undead Storm DSiWare's Left 4 Dead?
Nice, I loved the look of this game when I first saw it.... if it hasn't got download play I may have to download it on my DSi as well.
Re: TIGA Calls for Clarification on Download Sales Secrecy
AFAIK isn't the policy just that you can't publish the data publically? I'm not sure how that would affect finance stuff because you'd be free to share the info with potential investors, banks, etc? It would be nice to get some clarification.
Also big LOL@ TIGA talking about sticking up for developers when they convinced the government not to give the industry a tax break, leading directly to the closure of several developers.
Re: Rumour: GAME User Accounts Compromised
This is just for Game.co.uk not other Game Group websites right?