I had a hard time choosing from these for my birthday, so I asked UKVGDeals on Twitter for advice. Eventually lead to the decision that Super Mario Maker was the best one. A few of them had better prices than retail versions but SMM is the best one.
If they were offering Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE, then I would've totally went for that if it was a good price. I really want that game :/
@Frosty_09 Just finished it, and I agree to the max that the new opposition is extremely annoying. (SPOILERS FOR ANYONE ELSE WHO HASN'T PLAYED YET!)
Sebastian Debeste has a really terrible pun in his name and his ego was just downright annoying. I also noticed how incredibly stupid and air-headed he was. Justine Courtney was also very annoying in that she kept wanting to take Edgeworth's badge off him. I hope she gets her comeuppance by the end of the game. When you say 'bad guy', you're referring to Dogen right? I'm assuming he doesn't come back. I actually enjoyed Ray Shields. I like his theme and his personality, very smooth. I have seen at least one person say it's a masterpiece while also saying that he thought the first Investigations was 'meh'. I'm enjoying it though and I loved Investigations too. The case overall though? I enjoyed it very much. Loved how the suspect just changed from one to the other to the next. I loved the plot twists too and how the case unravelled itself slowly. It was a very enjoyable case overall. Though I do tend to be a positive person, but I do get annoyed by certain things like the 2 characters I mentioned above.
I recently started playing the fan translation of Investigations 2 known as Prosecutor's Path. Really enjoying it so far, it's intriguing. On case 2 right now.
@Bass_X0 5/10?? I looked at all of them and they've either been 8, 9 or N/A.
@jbopatrick That's what my point was, I don't know why they keep using that style for the default. Thing is, I do have the PC ones but I don't know how to do pixel art if I wanted my own sprites and stuff.
@Utena-mobile RPG Maker XP and 2003 didn't have an ugly chibi look. I want something similar to that style back. :/
I mean seriously, who wants all their characters looking like children who are 1 square high? No wonder these games aren't popular.
And when comparing the character sprites size to the size of other objects like trees, those things are absolutely tiny! That's stupid.
@Yorumi Well, level based games don't matter much. But I was referring to other types of games like RPGs, but Nintendo has yet to fully implement cross features. Child of Light's a good example in the case of PlayStation of course. It doesn't have cross save but it does have cross buy, don't see the point in that case of starting all over again on another system.
If NX is a hybrid, then it HAS to have cross buy and cross save.
I don't really see the point of proper cross buy unless there's cross save as well, otherwise what's the point? No one wants to start all over again unless maybe it's years later from the last time they played it.
@whanvee Nintendo still censored Fatal Frame though. XD
They removed some bizarre costumes, but leaving them in wouldn't have made a difference as it still would have been M rated.
TMS#FE is based in Japan, shouldn't parents know about cultural differences?
How exactly would parents even find this game anyway? I would think they would just go into a game store, but the shelves usually just contain mainstream titles so parents wouldn't be able to see it there. This is a very niche game. I can't imagine them paying eShop prices either...
If parents really were to get this game intending for their kids and then complain about the content being inappropriate for them, then there would be tons of reports for loads of other niche T-rated games because the same thing would easily happen for those. What makes this one special? Nothing, because it's still niche just like others. I wouldn't expect a parent to find this game easily unless they already knew about it, but if they knew about it, they wouldn't get it because of the content in it.
TMS#FE still isn't suitable for kids anyway, so basically parents are fine with their kids learning foul language and a urge to drink alcohol? Because that's what's in the game according to ESRB.
There's also some inconsistencies with the censorship, the video I posted in a previous comment explains them at 3:25, 4:28 and 6:08. Here you go for convenience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsjWqCHPZ0w
Oh boy, can't wait to hear the reports of parents complaining about the content in the game. /sarcasm
None of your points referring to this game make sense, if Nintendo really was 'trying' to make the game safe for kids to play so parents wouldn't complain at them, well, they weren't really trying were they?
So clearly there's another reason as to why they censored it.
Also, another thing: Some costumes in the game, before it was censored, are normal. Why would parents complain about those? A wedding dress and bikinis. Literally every person in the world including children should have seen those things in real life. Heck, my mother goes around in a bikini whenever it's sunny and hot.
To summarize my points:
1. Parents should know about cultural differences themselves.
2. Parents wouldn't find this game on any store shelves because it's niche.
3. Parents wouldn't even look for this game if they knew about it because of the content in it.
4. Parents complaining about the content in it if they did somehow get the game? The same thing would happen for loads of other niche T rated titles.
5. There's other inappropriate content that parents should be more concerned about in the game, such as foul language and alcohol, which is still in.
6. Inconsistent censoring of costumes and cleavage.
7. Nintendo isn't trying to stop parents complaining at them if their kids are playing it.
8. There's clearly another reason for this censorship.
9. Costumes in this game are NORMAL: bikinis and a wedding dress. Parents would NOT be complaining about those.
@whanvee You could have just looked on my profile for my age, y'know? And how is the way I speak in any way related to age? Everyone has a different way of talking. (By the way, most of the people I've met, teenagers, have terrible grammar, spelling, etc. and I was literally the only one who preferred typing/writing correctly and still do. Though, my family also seem to have bad grammar and use slang.)
"These guys keep telling you about Nintendo's public image and the public's point of view. You seem to perceive this as people not being able to differentiate video games from real life." Because that's clearly the case. Nintendo's public image won't be ruined if they use the logical move of telling the people who complain that video games are different from real life. They can please both parties then: The people who complain about censorship and whoever complains about the content being in there or whatever.
"Sadly not everyone has such good parents. Some people don't bother teaching their kids this." Seriously? It's a fact of life, I've known loads of people who know the difference. It's other things they don't teach their kids really, such as how to use money properly and how to behave properly.
"Japan and U.S. are two entirely different cultures. What is acceptable in one might not be in another. Take a minute to widen your understanding of cultural differences and how the smallest of things can cause an uproar in a part of the world where elsewhere not even a shrug is induced." Hey, I know about cultural differences, but there's loads of games already released that don't get censored, or as much as what TMS#FE got and they're completely fine. Go look at ESRB's listing for Persona, that's one of the most popular JRPGs that's also niche. TMS#FE isn't nearly as bad as that without the censoring, I think it still would have got a T rating if the content was still in. Bayonetta 2 was published by Nintendo and that wasn't censored at all. Senran Kagura is on the 3DS, how come that's allowed, actually, how come it's allowed to release at all? Now you see, TMS#FE wouldn't have been given a second thought if it wasn't censored. The only headlines it's got is "Nintendo's censored Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE".
Also, I suggest you think for a minute about ludicrous the censorship is in TMS#FE... they censored a wedding dress, how exactly is that harmful in western countries? That's a normal thing that children and literally every person in the world has seen in real life. Actually, now that I think about it, everything is normal in that game, so why censor it in the first place?
@ziffy The internet is different. I'm not the type of person that just walks up to random people and starts a conversation out of nowhere. If you met me outside in real life, I would be really quiet and just try to avoid you. I only read a bit at the beginning of that article. Again, I find it uninteresting. Anyway, when I said 'disturbing', I meant for them to talk about it, not just me. I mean, I'm not the type of person to even bring up a conversation about a girl's body, because that would sound weird, they would probably call me a pervert. That's the first they would do, then they would call the police.
@MGray There's also a patch for FE: Fates if you're interested, but you'd have to research on that yourself, because I have no idea where it is or how to do it.
@AVahne Again, there is a fan made patch that de-censors everything in the game and restores it to the way it was before, so you can get still get the full experience that way.
@MGray There is a fan made patch that de-censors the game completely and restores it to the way it was before, so you could play it the way it's supposed to be played without worrying about your image of the game. You can find a link to it on a Nintendo Life article from a few days back.
@Dakt So I guess you're going to say that my family doesn't understand how the world works, because they do and far more than you do. All of my sisters, brothers and parents are older than you and know how the world works, they also know for a fact that games along with other media are works of fiction and don't affect reality. My friend thinks you're a 9 year old by the way.
Seriously though, I suggest you get your brain checked, because this is beyond ridiculous. It's like you think you're in Narnia.
I've reached my limit now in this argument, good bye forever.
@Dakt You clearly said Nintendo is a kids company.
Did you even read that part after I said what that parent should think? Nintendo would need to tell the idiots themselves. If I was in charge of those decisions, I definitely would have done that and I would lead them to glory.
By the way, if I'm a brick wall then you're a potato.
@TrueWiiMaster I honestly give up with you. It's clear I can't get through to you myself.
@ziffy 1. Of course it's nothing to do with what you think, but the public should understand that games are a work of fiction. Simple enough.
2. I don't talk to people I don't know anyway. The women I did meet in my life were either family or teachers/tutors, none of which I want to discuss a rather uninteresting and disturbing topic.
3. I have no idea what games you're on about, I only know of the ones they've released in the west as well as the popular unreleased ones like Mother 3.
4. Haa haa, very funny. I object to you sir, for I am terrible at piano.
@Dakt My point with those games wasn't whether they were censored or not, it was to argue with your point that you think Nintendo is a kids only company. Do you seriously think that a kid would play a horror game like Fatal Frame? Think again, because that would traumatize the poor things. Same goes for Eternal Darkness. Kids wouldn't play a game like Bayonetta 2 either, because it's far too hard and the various content in it would be bad for their poor ears and eyes.
Again, VIDEO GAMES ARE FICTION AND DON'T IMPACT REALITY.
You said something that can easily be counteracted: 'If a parent sees a headline titled "Nintendo says NO to gays"', if that were to happen, that parent then just needs to think to themselves that video games are fiction and that they're not meant to represent real life. Either that or, they complain about it, then Nintendo just needs to say the statement themselves: "Dear sir/madam, Video games in general, including the one you're complaining about, are a work of fiction. They are not meant to represent reality in any shape or form. Thank you for your time and happy gaming."
There, now that's not so hard is it? It's as easy as 1, 2, 3 and a, b, c. Even my 12 year old nephew could understand this that games are a work of fiction and don't impact reality.
I'm comparing you to a 12 year old, how do you feel now?
@Dakt Oh look, a kids company published Fatal Frame 5, Bayonetta 2 and Eternal Darkness. All M rated. Might I add that if I remember correctly, Nintendo voluntarily published B2 and covered all costs for it. I also found out that they wanted the extra Nintendo themed costumes in B2 as sexual as possible.
If you were to actually use your brain once in this conversation, you would realise that we would get nowhere by arguing with the same things back and forth, therefore neither of us will get anywhere.
Thing is, I've already explained my point, like, 5 times already: VIDEO GAMES ARE FICTION AND HAVE NO IMPACT ON REALITY. Seriously, I don't see kids eating red/green polka dot mushrooms, red/blue flowers, leafs, or anything that resembles a power up from Mario. I don't see anything of the sort that happens in a video game being reenacted in real life. I've also never heard of any reports on people trying to act out the events in Persona, which involves teenagers engaging in sexual things and the like, which is similar to TMS#FE. That series wouldn't even be played by children and neither would TMS#FE, because they're not aimed at kids, it's rated M and T after all. And if kids did play Persona, they would probably be traumatized. Also, I doubt that kids would understand games like Fire Emblem and dark Zelda games like TP & MM. If Nintendo was truly a kids ONLY company, then why the heck did they even make Fire Emblem and those Zelda games? Wouldn't they make more simple games that kids would understand? Why did they publish the above games I mentioned? (Bayonetta 2, etc.) Why didn't they get censor the rest of the content in TMS#FE(Foul language and alcohol as mentioned by ESRB)? Do you think Nintendo thinks that those things are alright for kids? Those things are far worse than some stupid bikinis. Then there's Metroid, that series would probably scare kids. Also, Samus in her Zero Suit... why? She has a big chest & behind and I don't think Nintendo would have that if they were truly a kids ONLY company. She was in her Zero Suit a lot in Other M, that game was rated 16+ in Europe, by the way. Also, why does Nintendo allow T rated and M rated games from other publishers even go on their console? If they were truly a kids ONLY company, then they would be like "No, we're not allowing T rated or M rated games on our consoles. Censor it all the offending content and then we'll talk."
Sigh... I think I'm done, but that's a LOT. There's several questions for you to think about that should nullify your point of "Nintendo's a kids company".
@Dakt No, I did know about the Tomodachi Life thing. But that doesn't matter, because you still don't understand that video games are a work of fiction.
Y'know what? I'm getting bored of this conversation. I'll say this though: I was telling my dad about these idiots on here who think that works of fiction affect things in real life and he basically just said how people have been brainwashed to believe this nonsense. And you know what? He's right, so I'm ignoring anyone who does believe that nonsense and that means you.
Have a good day in your fictional world of pure imaginative nonsense. Good bye.
@Dakt Headlines? What headlines? They shouldn't care. You and many others don't seem to grasp that video games are a work of fiction.
To quote one of my previous comments "No offense, but I think you need to see a psychiatrist if you seriously think FICTIONAL teen characters in a VIDEO GAME set in a FICTIONAL version of JAPAN, where the ages aren't as strict anyway, would be an issue in REAL LIFE. If you were to look in the game's files, you can see they're just a bunch of polygons, pixels and stuff, not flesh and bone with a soul."
All Nintendo has to do is put "This video game is a work of fiction, do not think any of the events or characters in the game are real. They are done purely for entertainment purposes only. Thank you." and be done with it, not waste time and effort in censoring content in which case this is what they're getting now: 1000s of fans complaining. Note: maybe not 1000s of fans for this game alone, FE Fates of course is a lot more popular.
@TrueWiiMaster Gravure modelling was what the game was based on, therefore this game has contradictions to the source material. The game was based on Japan culture, meaning this censorship = a misinterpretation of what Japan is like. THAT is NOT minor. At 5:42 in the video, "Overseas, she overcomes the fear of simply regular modelling", this makes NO sense in the slightest, why on Earth would anyone be scared of regular modelling? It makes much more sense for her to be scared of gravure modelling. THIS is a major change in the game's plot and character development, to change this back would mean you would have to change everything else back to match, so yes, this IS a major change. Then there's the fact that she's meant to spin to strip her clothes off, not somehow magically put more fancy clothes on, where does she even get those extra clothes from?? Also, one DLC was not released in the west, that's major.
@TrueWiiMaster Most of them are minor? OBJECTION! A WHOLE chapter was changed in TMS#FE, and in total in the game, over 300 lines of dialogue was changed. People are shocked that they even went so far as to redo the voice acting for the lines, even though no one understood Japanese so that wouldn't even matter. If you think that's minor, then I suggest you get your brain checked. A lot of the content related to the story, but that was changed and now contains contradictions to the source material of what it was based on, which was idol culture.
@ziffy No offense, but I think you need to see a psychiatrist if you seriously think FICTIONAL teen characters in a VIDEO GAME set in a FICTIONAL version of JAPAN, where the ages aren't as strict anyway, would be an issue in REAL LIFE. If you were to look in the game's files, you can see they're just a bunch of polygons, pixels and stuff, not flesh and bone with a soul.
Have you played Persona? I haven't played it, but I do know for a fact that it has teenagers doing sexual things or something like that, even more so in P4 Golden. That's probably one of the most popular yet niche titles ever released, I don't see anybody complaining about that.
@shonenjump86 There's a fan made patch that de-censors everything and basically restores it to the way it was before. Nintendo Life has the link in this article to another article about it.
@whitespy12 Oh, I get what you mean. But this is a niche game, is anyone really going to care about the content in it besides the people who like these types of games? The general public aren't going to go look up games, see this and look up the publisher, then go bash Nintendo for pointless reasons. Nintendo talks about taking risks with their own franchises like Zelda, why don't they do that here? Are they seriously that scared? They're meant to please and care about their fans, not the general public, but if they do then that's a great bonus. By the way, Nintendo published Bayonetta 2, EXPLAIN THAT. None of the general public cared about what was in it or what it was about and that game is 1000x worse than TMS#FE. Sony doesn't censor any games on PlayStation, I mean, look at all the fan service games on the Vita(as well as several on PS3/PS4). Oh, and go look at the latest Pokemon trailers, there's a beach scene with a girl wearing a bikini, I guess they're going to censor that too?
Y'know, what I don't understand is that Nintendo decided to censor the 'risqué' content, but they didn't censor the other things which ESRB has on their site for the game such as foul language and alcohol, because I personally think that the former is far worse than some silly bikinis. Because they left those things in, why censor the other things? Kids aren't interested in playing this type of game at all and their parents wouldn't allow them to play a game with foul language in it anyway. Nintendo's 'logic' is backwards, this game is aimed at ages and the types of people who don't mind any of the things that were censored. Then there's the fact that, well, I'm pretty sure that it still would have been a T rating if they didn't censor it at all so I have no idea what they were thinking...
@Matclip Nintendo doesn't have as much popularity as the other companies, compare their subscribers on YouTube as well as their Twitch followers, Twitter followers and Facebook likes. Doing an event can help gain popularity for them, though they also need to advertise more.
@TsukiDeity I hope you're right. When I looked at the dates for TGS, I thought it would be really crazy if it was revealed then and then they had the NX playable the following week in the UK. I wonder how long it takes to get these things set up for events like that. It would be even crazier that the UK would get to try out the NX before the US too, which I think is a first, right? When's the next US games event after September?
@Jazzer94 I'm glad it's in Birmingham, because I live really far away from London and Birmingham is just that little bit nearer than London. Manchester would have been even more nearer though. :/ It's also my first time going this year, can't wait.
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Re: Nintendo of Europe Formalises the Nintendo Account 'Just for You' Birthday Deals
I had a hard time choosing from these for my birthday, so I asked UKVGDeals on Twitter for advice. Eventually lead to the decision that Super Mario Maker was the best one. A few of them had better prices than retail versions but SMM is the best one.
If they were offering Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE, then I would've totally went for that if it was a good price. I really want that game :/
Re: Capcom UK Gets Hopes Up for a Localisation of The Great Ace Attorney
He later said nope and then said sorry. He said he just really liked that music and didn't mean to troll anyone.
Re: Multiple Discount Options Coming with SteamWorld Heist on Wii U
@imageform Cool, thanks. That should give me enough time to save up.
Re: Multiple Discount Options Coming with SteamWorld Heist on Wii U
How long do the offers last?
Re: Video: Capcom Celebrates 15 Years of Ace Attorney
@Gauchorino No, a new game. The sequel to The Great Ace Attorney, which still hasn't released outside Japan.
Re: Video: Capcom Celebrates 15 Years of Ace Attorney
@Frosty_09 Just finished it, and I agree to the max that the new opposition is extremely annoying.
(SPOILERS FOR ANYONE ELSE WHO HASN'T PLAYED YET!)
Sebastian Debeste has a really terrible pun in his name and his ego was just downright annoying. I also noticed how incredibly stupid and air-headed he was. Justine Courtney was also very annoying in that she kept wanting to take Edgeworth's badge off him. I hope she gets her comeuppance by the end of the game.
When you say 'bad guy', you're referring to Dogen right? I'm assuming he doesn't come back.
I actually enjoyed Ray Shields. I like his theme and his personality, very smooth.
I have seen at least one person say it's a masterpiece while also saying that he thought the first Investigations was 'meh'. I'm enjoying it though and I loved Investigations too.
The case overall though? I enjoyed it very much. Loved how the suspect just changed from one to the other to the next. I loved the plot twists too and how the case unravelled itself slowly. It was a very enjoyable case overall.
Though I do tend to be a positive person, but I do get annoyed by certain things like the 2 characters I mentioned above.
Re: Video: Capcom Celebrates 15 Years of Ace Attorney
I recently started playing the fan translation of Investigations 2 known as Prosecutor's Path. Really enjoying it so far, it's intriguing. On case 2 right now.
@Bass_X0 5/10?? I looked at all of them and they've either been 8, 9 or N/A.
Re: Nintendo Download: 8th September (Europe)
You forgot to mention the costume bundle is free for the first week.
Re: Yooka-Laylee To Make Playable Debut At EGX 2016
YES, British people get to play before Americans.
Re: The Nintendo 3DS Is Getting A New RPG Maker Game
@jbopatrick That's what my point was, I don't know why they keep using that style for the default.
Thing is, I do have the PC ones but I don't know how to do pixel art if I wanted my own sprites and stuff.
Re: The Nintendo 3DS Is Getting A New RPG Maker Game
@Utena-mobile RPG Maker XP and 2003 didn't have an ugly chibi look. I want something similar to that style back. :/
I mean seriously, who wants all their characters looking like children who are 1 square high? No wonder these games aren't popular.
And when comparing the character sprites size to the size of other objects like trees, those things are absolutely tiny! That's stupid.
Re: The Nintendo 3DS Is Getting A New RPG Maker Game
@Pikachupwnage Enterbrain makes them, but Degica Games localises the ones on PC. You can find the latter on Twitter and Steam.
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@TheDavyStar I'm hoping for a non-chibi sprite art style, that art style in RPG Maker MV and VX Ace is ugly as heck.
Re: French Mayor Says "Non" To Pokémon GO
I think the guy needs Pokemon Go in his life.
Re: Dragon Fantasy Developers Explain the Difficulties of Implementing Cross-Buy for Nintendo Platforms
@Yorumi Well, level based games don't matter much. But I was referring to other types of games like RPGs, but Nintendo has yet to fully implement cross features.
Child of Light's a good example in the case of PlayStation of course. It doesn't have cross save but it does have cross buy, don't see the point in that case of starting all over again on another system.
If NX is a hybrid, then it HAS to have cross buy and cross save.
Re: Dragon Fantasy Developers Explain the Difficulties of Implementing Cross-Buy for Nintendo Platforms
I don't really see the point of proper cross buy unless there's cross save as well, otherwise what's the point? No one wants to start all over again unless maybe it's years later from the last time they played it.
Re: Pokémon GO is Now Available in the UK
Won't work on my iPhone 4S. :/
Re: Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Co-Director Was Initially "Disappointed" With Western Localisation
@ziffy ... I really don't think so.
Re: Pokémon Red, Blue & Yellow Virtual Console Releases Getting Discounted in Europe
Hmm... not bad. I was planning on getting them anyway, but I suppose I could get them sooner than I was intending.
Re: Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Co-Director Was Initially "Disappointed" With Western Localisation
@whanvee Nintendo still censored Fatal Frame though. XD
They removed some bizarre costumes, but leaving them in wouldn't have made a difference as it still would have been M rated.
TMS#FE is based in Japan, shouldn't parents know about cultural differences?
How exactly would parents even find this game anyway? I would think they would just go into a game store, but the shelves usually just contain mainstream titles so parents wouldn't be able to see it there. This is a very niche game. I can't imagine them paying eShop prices either...
If parents really were to get this game intending for their kids and then complain about the content being inappropriate for them, then there would be tons of reports for loads of other niche T-rated games because the same thing would easily happen for those. What makes this one special? Nothing, because it's still niche just like others. I wouldn't expect a parent to find this game easily unless they already knew about it, but if they knew about it, they wouldn't get it because of the content in it.
TMS#FE still isn't suitable for kids anyway, so basically parents are fine with their kids learning foul language and a urge to drink alcohol? Because that's what's in the game according to ESRB.
There's also some inconsistencies with the censorship, the video I posted in a previous comment explains them at 3:25, 4:28 and 6:08. Here you go for convenience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsjWqCHPZ0w
Oh boy, can't wait to hear the reports of parents complaining about the content in the game. /sarcasm
None of your points referring to this game make sense, if Nintendo really was 'trying' to make the game safe for kids to play so parents wouldn't complain at them, well, they weren't really trying were they?
So clearly there's another reason as to why they censored it.
Also, another thing: Some costumes in the game, before it was censored, are normal. Why would parents complain about those? A wedding dress and bikinis. Literally every person in the world including children should have seen those things in real life. Heck, my mother goes around in a bikini whenever it's sunny and hot.
To summarize my points:
1. Parents should know about cultural differences themselves.
2. Parents wouldn't find this game on any store shelves because it's niche.
3. Parents wouldn't even look for this game if they knew about it because of the content in it.
4. Parents complaining about the content in it if they did somehow get the game? The same thing would happen for loads of other niche T rated titles.
5. There's other inappropriate content that parents should be more concerned about in the game, such as foul language and alcohol, which is still in.
6. Inconsistent censoring of costumes and cleavage.
7. Nintendo isn't trying to stop parents complaining at them if their kids are playing it.
8. There's clearly another reason for this censorship.
9. Costumes in this game are NORMAL: bikinis and a wedding dress. Parents would NOT be complaining about those.
Re: Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Co-Director Was Initially "Disappointed" With Western Localisation
@whanvee You could have just looked on my profile for my age, y'know? And how is the way I speak in any way related to age? Everyone has a different way of talking. (By the way, most of the people I've met, teenagers, have terrible grammar, spelling, etc. and I was literally the only one who preferred typing/writing correctly and still do. Though, my family also seem to have bad grammar and use slang.)
"These guys keep telling you about Nintendo's public image and the public's point of view. You seem to perceive this as people not being able to differentiate video games from real life."
Because that's clearly the case. Nintendo's public image won't be ruined if they use the logical move of telling the people who complain that video games are different from real life. They can please both parties then: The people who complain about censorship and whoever complains about the content being in there or whatever.
"Sadly not everyone has such good parents. Some people don't bother teaching their kids this."
Seriously? It's a fact of life, I've known loads of people who know the difference. It's other things they don't teach their kids really, such as how to use money properly and how to behave properly.
"Japan and U.S. are two entirely different cultures. What is acceptable in one might not be in another. Take a minute to widen your understanding of cultural differences and how the smallest of things can cause an uproar in a part of the world where elsewhere not even a shrug is induced."
Hey, I know about cultural differences, but there's loads of games already released that don't get censored, or as much as what TMS#FE got and they're completely fine. Go look at ESRB's listing for Persona, that's one of the most popular JRPGs that's also niche. TMS#FE isn't nearly as bad as that without the censoring, I think it still would have got a T rating if the content was still in.
Bayonetta 2 was published by Nintendo and that wasn't censored at all. Senran Kagura is on the 3DS, how come that's allowed, actually, how come it's allowed to release at all?
Now you see, TMS#FE wouldn't have been given a second thought if it wasn't censored. The only headlines it's got is "Nintendo's censored Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE".
Also, I suggest you think for a minute about ludicrous the censorship is in TMS#FE... they censored a wedding dress, how exactly is that harmful in western countries? That's a normal thing that children and literally every person in the world has seen in real life. Actually, now that I think about it, everything is normal in that game, so why censor it in the first place?
Re: Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Co-Director Was Initially "Disappointed" With Western Localisation
@ziffy The internet is different. I'm not the type of person that just walks up to random people and starts a conversation out of nowhere. If you met me outside in real life, I would be really quiet and just try to avoid you.
I only read a bit at the beginning of that article. Again, I find it uninteresting. Anyway, when I said 'disturbing', I meant for them to talk about it, not just me. I mean, I'm not the type of person to even bring up a conversation about a girl's body, because that would sound weird, they would probably call me a pervert. That's the first they would do, then they would call the police.
Re: Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Co-Director Was Initially "Disappointed" With Western Localisation
@MGray There's also a patch for FE: Fates if you're interested, but you'd have to research on that yourself, because I have no idea where it is or how to do it.
Re: Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Co-Director Was Initially "Disappointed" With Western Localisation
@AVahne Again, there is a fan made patch that de-censors everything in the game and restores it to the way it was before, so you can get still get the full experience that way.
Re: Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Co-Director Was Initially "Disappointed" With Western Localisation
@MGray There is a fan made patch that de-censors the game completely and restores it to the way it was before, so you could play it the way it's supposed to be played without worrying about your image of the game. You can find a link to it on a Nintendo Life article from a few days back.
Re: Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Co-Director Was Initially "Disappointed" With Western Localisation
@MGray What do you mean by 'image of the game'?
Re: Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Co-Director Was Initially "Disappointed" With Western Localisation
@Dakt So I guess you're going to say that my family doesn't understand how the world works, because they do and far more than you do. All of my sisters, brothers and parents are older than you and know how the world works, they also know for a fact that games along with other media are works of fiction and don't affect reality.
My friend thinks you're a 9 year old by the way.
Seriously though, I suggest you get your brain checked, because this is beyond ridiculous. It's like you think you're in Narnia.
I've reached my limit now in this argument, good bye forever.
Re: Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Co-Director Was Initially "Disappointed" With Western Localisation
@Dakt You clearly said Nintendo is a kids company.
Did you even read that part after I said what that parent should think? Nintendo would need to tell the idiots themselves. If I was in charge of those decisions, I definitely would have done that and I would lead them to glory.
By the way, if I'm a brick wall then you're a potato.
Re: Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Co-Director Was Initially "Disappointed" With Western Localisation
@TrueWiiMaster I honestly give up with you. It's clear I can't get through to you myself.
@ziffy 1. Of course it's nothing to do with what you think, but the public should understand that games are a work of fiction. Simple enough.
2. I don't talk to people I don't know anyway. The women I did meet in my life were either family or teachers/tutors, none of which I want to discuss a rather uninteresting and disturbing topic.
3. I have no idea what games you're on about, I only know of the ones they've released in the west as well as the popular unreleased ones like Mother 3.
4. Haa haa, very funny. I object to you sir, for I am terrible at piano.
@Dakt My point with those games wasn't whether they were censored or not, it was to argue with your point that you think Nintendo is a kids only company. Do you seriously think that a kid would play a horror game like Fatal Frame? Think again, because that would traumatize the poor things. Same goes for Eternal Darkness. Kids wouldn't play a game like Bayonetta 2 either, because it's far too hard and the various content in it would be bad for their poor ears and eyes.
Again, VIDEO GAMES ARE FICTION AND DON'T IMPACT REALITY.
You said something that can easily be counteracted: 'If a parent sees a headline titled "Nintendo says NO to gays"', if that were to happen, that parent then just needs to think to themselves that video games are fiction and that they're not meant to represent real life. Either that or, they complain about it, then Nintendo just needs to say the statement themselves: "Dear sir/madam, Video games in general, including the one you're complaining about, are a work of fiction. They are not meant to represent reality in any shape or form. Thank you for your time and happy gaming."
There, now that's not so hard is it? It's as easy as 1, 2, 3 and a, b, c. Even my 12 year old nephew could understand this that games are a work of fiction and don't impact reality.
I'm comparing you to a 12 year old, how do you feel now?
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@Dakt Oh look, a kids company published Fatal Frame 5, Bayonetta 2 and Eternal Darkness. All M rated. Might I add that if I remember correctly, Nintendo voluntarily published B2 and covered all costs for it. I also found out that they wanted the extra Nintendo themed costumes in B2 as sexual as possible.
If you were to actually use your brain once in this conversation, you would realise that we would get nowhere by arguing with the same things back and forth, therefore neither of us will get anywhere.
Thing is, I've already explained my point, like, 5 times already: VIDEO GAMES ARE FICTION AND HAVE NO IMPACT ON REALITY.
Seriously, I don't see kids eating red/green polka dot mushrooms, red/blue flowers, leafs, or anything that resembles a power up from Mario. I don't see anything of the sort that happens in a video game being reenacted in real life.
I've also never heard of any reports on people trying to act out the events in Persona, which involves teenagers engaging in sexual things and the like, which is similar to TMS#FE. That series wouldn't even be played by children and neither would TMS#FE, because they're not aimed at kids, it's rated M and T after all. And if kids did play Persona, they would probably be traumatized.
Also, I doubt that kids would understand games like Fire Emblem and dark Zelda games like TP & MM. If Nintendo was truly a kids ONLY company, then why the heck did they even make Fire Emblem and those Zelda games? Wouldn't they make more simple games that kids would understand? Why did they publish the above games I mentioned? (Bayonetta 2, etc.) Why didn't they get censor the rest of the content in TMS#FE(Foul language and alcohol as mentioned by ESRB)? Do you think Nintendo thinks that those things are alright for kids? Those things are far worse than some stupid bikinis. Then there's Metroid, that series would probably scare kids. Also, Samus in her Zero Suit... why? She has a big chest & behind and I don't think Nintendo would have that if they were truly a kids ONLY company. She was in her Zero Suit a lot in Other M, that game was rated 16+ in Europe, by the way. Also, why does Nintendo allow T rated and M rated games from other publishers even go on their console? If they were truly a kids ONLY company, then they would be like "No, we're not allowing T rated or M rated games on our consoles. Censor it all the offending content and then we'll talk."
Sigh... I think I'm done, but that's a LOT. There's several questions for you to think about that should nullify your point of "Nintendo's a kids company".
Re: Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Co-Director Was Initially "Disappointed" With Western Localisation
@Dakt No, I did know about the Tomodachi Life thing. But that doesn't matter, because you still don't understand that video games are a work of fiction.
Y'know what? I'm getting bored of this conversation. I'll say this though: I was telling my dad about these idiots on here who think that works of fiction affect things in real life and he basically just said how people have been brainwashed to believe this nonsense.
And you know what? He's right, so I'm ignoring anyone who does believe that nonsense and that means you.
Have a good day in your fictional world of pure imaginative nonsense. Good bye.
Re: Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Co-Director Was Initially "Disappointed" With Western Localisation
@Dakt Headlines? What headlines? They shouldn't care. You and many others don't seem to grasp that video games are a work of fiction.
To quote one of my previous comments "No offense, but I think you need to see a psychiatrist if you seriously think FICTIONAL teen characters in a VIDEO GAME set in a FICTIONAL version of JAPAN, where the ages aren't as strict anyway, would be an issue in REAL LIFE.
If you were to look in the game's files, you can see they're just a bunch of polygons, pixels and stuff, not flesh and bone with a soul."
All Nintendo has to do is put "This video game is a work of fiction, do not think any of the events or characters in the game are real. They are done purely for entertainment purposes only. Thank you." and be done with it, not waste time and effort in censoring content in which case this is what they're getting now: 1000s of fans complaining.
Note: maybe not 1000s of fans for this game alone, FE Fates of course is a lot more popular.
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@TrueWiiMaster Gravure modelling was what the game was based on, therefore this game has contradictions to the source material.
The game was based on Japan culture, meaning this censorship = a misinterpretation of what Japan is like. THAT is NOT minor.
At 5:42 in the video, "Overseas, she overcomes the fear of simply regular modelling", this makes NO sense in the slightest, why on Earth would anyone be scared of regular modelling? It makes much more sense for her to be scared of gravure modelling. THIS is a major change in the game's plot and character development, to change this back would mean you would have to change everything else back to match, so yes, this IS a major change. Then there's the fact that she's meant to spin to strip her clothes off, not somehow magically put more fancy clothes on, where does she even get those extra clothes from??
Also, one DLC was not released in the west, that's major.
Re: Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Co-Director Was Initially "Disappointed" With Western Localisation
@MGray If you want, you can get more details on the censorship here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsjWqCHPZ0w
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@TrueWiiMaster Most of them are minor? OBJECTION!
A WHOLE chapter was changed in TMS#FE, and in total in the game, over 300 lines of dialogue was changed. People are shocked that they even went so far as to redo the voice acting for the lines, even though no one understood Japanese so that wouldn't even matter. If you think that's minor, then I suggest you get your brain checked.
A lot of the content related to the story, but that was changed and now contains contradictions to the source material of what it was based on, which was idol culture.
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@ziffy No offense, but I think you need to see a psychiatrist if you seriously think FICTIONAL teen characters in a VIDEO GAME set in a FICTIONAL version of JAPAN, where the ages aren't as strict anyway, would be an issue in REAL LIFE.
If you were to look in the game's files, you can see they're just a bunch of polygons, pixels and stuff, not flesh and bone with a soul.
Have you played Persona? I haven't played it, but I do know for a fact that it has teenagers doing sexual things or something like that, even more so in P4 Golden. That's probably one of the most popular yet niche titles ever released, I don't see anybody complaining about that.
Re: Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Co-Director Was Initially "Disappointed" With Western Localisation
@shonenjump86 There's a fan made patch that de-censors everything and basically restores it to the way it was before. Nintendo Life has the link in this article to another article about it.
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@Dakt Look at my last comment which is just above yours, please.
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@whitespy12 Oh, I get what you mean. But this is a niche game, is anyone really going to care about the content in it besides the people who like these types of games? The general public aren't going to go look up games, see this and look up the publisher, then go bash Nintendo for pointless reasons.
Nintendo talks about taking risks with their own franchises like Zelda, why don't they do that here? Are they seriously that scared? They're meant to please and care about their fans, not the general public, but if they do then that's a great bonus.
By the way, Nintendo published Bayonetta 2, EXPLAIN THAT. None of the general public cared about what was in it or what it was about and that game is 1000x worse than TMS#FE.
Sony doesn't censor any games on PlayStation, I mean, look at all the fan service games on the Vita(as well as several on PS3/PS4).
Oh, and go look at the latest Pokemon trailers, there's a beach scene with a girl wearing a bikini, I guess they're going to censor that too?
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@Dakt And yet loads of other niche JRPG developers/publishers are just fine with keeping content intact.
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Y'know, what I don't understand is that Nintendo decided to censor the 'risqué' content, but they didn't censor the other things which ESRB has on their site for the game such as foul language and alcohol, because I personally think that the former is far worse than some silly bikinis.
Because they left those things in, why censor the other things? Kids aren't interested in playing this type of game at all and their parents wouldn't allow them to play a game with foul language in it anyway. Nintendo's 'logic' is backwards, this game is aimed at ages and the types of people who don't mind any of the things that were censored. Then there's the fact that, well, I'm pretty sure that it still would have been a T rating if they didn't censor it at all so I have no idea what they were thinking...
Re: Nintendo Outlines Ambitious Plans For UK's Hyper Japan Festival 2016
@TsukiDeity Oh, cool. Thanks for the info.
Doesn't the US have PAX? I have no idea when that happens though.
Re: Nintendo Outlines Ambitious Plans For UK's Hyper Japan Festival 2016
@Matclip Nintendo doesn't have as much popularity as the other companies, compare their subscribers on YouTube as well as their Twitch followers, Twitter followers and Facebook likes.
Doing an event can help gain popularity for them, though they also need to advertise more.
Re: Nintendo Outlines Ambitious Plans For UK's Hyper Japan Festival 2016
@Matclip I actually doubt it will be a Nintendo Direct, they're not as big as E3 and other events.
Re: Nintendo Outlines Ambitious Plans For UK's Hyper Japan Festival 2016
@TsukiDeity I hope you're right. When I looked at the dates for TGS, I thought it would be really crazy if it was revealed then and then they had the NX playable the following week in the UK. I wonder how long it takes to get these things set up for events like that.
It would be even crazier that the UK would get to try out the NX before the US too, which I think is a first, right? When's the next US games event after September?
Re: Nintendo Outlines Ambitious Plans For UK's Hyper Japan Festival 2016
@crimsontadpoles Your shoes are the NX controller, that would probably make The Bit Block happy. He's so obsessed with shoes. XD
Re: Nintendo Outlines Ambitious Plans For UK's Hyper Japan Festival 2016
@crimsontadpoles (Laughs) Shoes? Yeah, you'll love these shoes, they play the games for you even! XD
Re: Nintendo Outlines Ambitious Plans For UK's Hyper Japan Festival 2016
@Jazzer94 I'm glad it's in Birmingham, because I live really far away from London and Birmingham is just that little bit nearer than London.
Manchester would have been even more nearer though. :/
It's also my first time going this year, can't wait.
Re: Nintendo Outlines Ambitious Plans For UK's Hyper Japan Festival 2016
@Vegaphil I think they'll have Breath of the Wild ready for EGX in Birmingham instead. (September)
Re: Nintendo Outlines Ambitious Plans For UK's Hyper Japan Festival 2016
@Matclip But how would they reveal it in the west? Tokyo Game Show is Japan only.