@WaveBoy Listen man the games on my PC look amazing compared to anything on my Wii U so far.
The Wii U is nowhere near the point to where graphics can no longer improve to make a difference.
Graphics are still important. Mario can be a cartoon but the backgrounds and textures can improve and make the game look 100 x better still than it does right now. His animations can be even more fluid, his clothing can look realistic with the sloth moving in the air, etc.(Physics)
I'm not saying games should make all characters look like real people, but they can stay cartoony and still look way better than what Wii U has shown me up to now. So, saying more power is useless is just non-sense.
More power also allows you to have games like MMORPGs that need power to have all the people on screen at once and a huge open world, etc.
I love nintendo, but I also like to be realistic. Nintendo is lagging behind in everything right now.
Only thing keeping it worth getting a WIi U right now is 1st party titles and so far the Nintendo mario game was not even that good. I hope the Zelda and other games are a lot better.
From what is see so far, Xbox One can do everything the Wii U does, but better.
The controller for Wii U might be a lil better, but that smartglass that lets xbox one use any phone or tablet as a screen sounds nice too.
The UI is terrible on Wii U. Slow dinosaur load times, slow shop which has so many screens just to buy DLC. Just Slow machine overall to switch from doing one thing to another. Xbox one seems like it will be all smooth and load instantly from one thing to the next.
The one thing Nintendo has is 1st party games; Mario, Punchout, Mario Kart, Zelda and so on.
The actual console is pretty much the worst one in terms of power and capability. But the 1st party games will hopefully be best on Nintendo.
Well I pre-ordered resident evil 6 on steam and it came with resident evil 5, the whole season pass and a ton of other goodies. (revelations idk if they got it all since I got 6 and skipped that game).
I will never buy a game on Wii U that is available on PC because PC games are cheaper and also come with bonus content free most times or cheaper too.
If you pre-ordered the game on Steam, then you got all of the Season Pass/DLC and even free games as part of the deal with soundtrack, art book also. So for me it was a no-go on Wii U.
"everyone who pre-orders on Steam will get an art book and 13-song soundtrack when the game launches. Next up is tier two, a free copy of 2007's Lost Planet: Extreme Condition that Capcom will distribute shortly after that pre-order goal is reached. Tier three promises "more weapons and more characters" for Raid mode, with four pieces of additional content to be revealed after the game's launch, all part of the Season Pass."
@LDXD Nobody is saying Nintendo should try to become a tablet or phone. Its that tablets/phones and android on TV devices are all cheaper wasy to game on the go and on the TV and they have way, way , way more and cheaper games too.
Look at this a $99 console that plays android games on your TV. http://www.ouya.tv/discover/ It got 8+ million dollars of kickstarter money and that shows people wanted it.
You can root it and then it plays all games from google play store that you already have. Every game on the official UI has to have a free element to it like a demo of the game at least.
It has a controller too: Wireless controller with standard controls (two analog sticks, d-pad, eight action buttons, a system button), a touchpad
Then steam(valve) is making a steambox console that plays your steam games on the TV. valve has a controller for it also and they have the money and customers to have great support for it.
All this is competition. Nintendo has to see all of the innovation coming out and types of consoles and prices and start to get back to work.
All of this cuts into the sony, microsoft, nintendo profits. For console only devices like the Wii U to be a big success in the next 5 years against all of this, yes they need to have GREAT!!! GAMES!!!
Right now they dont have even 1 Great game on the Wii U yet.
My solution is Nintendo needs to try to gain back all the people that left them for Sony/Microsoft/PC/Tablets/Phones. They used to make games people of all ages loved, true gaming consoles.
Nintendo is selling decently with the 3DS now, but its to kids that play pokemon for the most part. No respectable adult is going to bust out a 3DS and play in public. Even then for example, my 2 nephews are 3 and 5, both have played on tablets since age 2 and neither one owns a DS, kids of today mostly all play with parents phones/tablets and will want one of their own as they started out with touch controls, its no problem for them.
The Wii was sold to stay at home moms and as a gimmick machine to play with your family. It was fun for a couple months, but to true gamers it was a disaster. i bought one but 95% of its life it spent turned off while I played my PC and other stuff.
Do you understand anything at all? We are talking about how Nintendo can gain back a broader audience, not stay the same or shrink even more.
They need better games, better prices and more features online, more marketing for adults, more 3rd party stuff, more 1st party stuff, more everything.
@LDXD I'm not talking only about me personally. I'm telling you, very, very few adults walk around with a 3DS or vita. I guess maybe you do, more power to you, not many people have enough pockets to take it around with a phone/tablet already on them. Plus they consider it a kids toy anyway even if they did.
We are talking about how Nintendo can improve sales, not about what you and I like most.
The numbers show people overall don't prefer Nintendo's new console over any old consoles and that they prefer tablets and phones over Nintendo handhelds too.
Nintendo needs to start thinking on how to gain more sales and stop catering to children first. Adults are the main gamers, idk what they don't understand about this.
A gaming computer and gaming tablet are gaming 1st devices just much more powerful with many more games at a much cheaper price than consoles. You can also buy a work computer/tablet or internet browsing only computer like google chrome. But I build gaming computer and believe me its primary function is to play games.
They just also happen to be able to do other things much better as well. I mean you do realize consoles also try to let you browse the internet, watch movies, and do many other tasks as well as gaming? They just are much weaker so do it all poorly in comparison.
And I'm talking about games like a dungeon crawler or maybe an MMORPG even one like Final Fantasy XIV or similar, Wii U needs those type of games and many other rpgs. Even super mario RPG Wii U version if it was a 1st party one, just something.
FPS they dont need to have a port of all the ones you can get on pc and every console, but they need to have a few for FPS gamers. Even a Nintendo based Tf2 ype game would be awesome, like a smash brothers but FPS type.
They need sports games for sure, can be 1st or 3rd party.
Its just that they have been announcing games that no non-nintendo fan gamer would care about enough to spend $300+ for the console and game.
We are talking about how Wii U can pull in new fans, sell units here, not how they can just keep the nintendo crowd.
Also, I know Wii sold great to kids and stay at home mothers to do "exercise on" for a few months then it collected dust. But I bought Wii U under the impression it would be back to Nintendo making a console for gamers.
@LDXD You don't even have the games man, I wont reply to you anymore. You say horrid controls? No buttons? lol.
Wii U just made a controller that is 50% based on touch controls but with a lower resolution and low quality touch screen compared to tablets. So if you think touch based controls are horrid, I guess you think the Wii u controller is even worse.
I like some games on Wii u so far, it just isnt living up to what it promised and the 3DS is no competition for gaming on tablet sorry. Price, quality, variety, all combined, tablet wins by a long way unless you like pokemon or some other 1st party title enough to just buy both.
Do you even realize there are more tablet/phone games and by far than 3DS games? How are you saying tablets/phones are not on the same level as a dedicated gaming device? Hundreds of games come out each month for them. 3DS has like 10 games a month max?
Yes we all know 80-90% of the day you are either in the water, exploring the islands, dancing and having fun and not gonna be gaming on a cruise. But, when people sit down to eat(which most people do 2 to 4 times a day on a cruise) they pull out their phone/tablet that is all we need to know. Nobody pulled out a 3DS. Same goes for pictures like you mentioned. It all points to not many want a 3DS as it does just one thing play games and games that mostly kids-teens only play. An adult wants to game mobile is getting a good phone or tablet to game/communicate/browse all in one.
Next, you keep mentioning quality. Tablets have a graphics processor, RAM and CPU that is leaps and bounds more powerful than a 3DS. Also their storage is unlimited with SD cards. This means games can be bigger and better on a tablet in terms of what can fit on the machine.
Also about what games are more than 50 hours on a tablet? You realize there are even MMORPGs on tablets? 2d ones, 3d ones, those give you hundreds of hours and even thousands for some people and many are 100% free.
A week or 2 ago I picked up 11 RPGs for $11 by Kemco(android sale). They are all great games, many that easily rival many 3DS rpgs.
Symphony of Eternity
Alphadia
Aeon Avenger
Eve of the Genesis
Grinsia
Dark Gate
Knight of the Earthends
End of Aspiration
Alphadia II
Symphony of the Origin
Covenant of Solitude
Silver Nornir
Those are classic old school looking games. But there are many open world 3d ones as well and again $5 or less and no cash shops. There are hundreds of quality RPGS 20-50+ hours of gameplay and that are good games on tablet/phone.
Now, also there are remakes of classic Square and other company RPGS on there and they usually cost $2-20. Nintendo charges as much or more even for re-releases(no added features) of a game like balloon fight or solomons quest......
Finally, tablets and phones have emulators on them that let you play all of the games on any system. So you really have no reason as an adult to get a 3DS over a phone/tablet. That is the bottom line of what we are talking about.
Nintendo needs to make moves to attract adult gamers how they promised. They said they were making a gaming machine for gamers and are not delivering.
@LDXD OK last time I try to make the point as simple as I can for you.
I was on a cruise Friday to Monday. I saw people on the ship while eating and exploring the islands walking around using ipads, iphones, android phones, etc. playing games, taking pictures, handing them to their kids also to play on them.
I did not see one Nintendo handheld being used and the cruise had 3,000 people on it and many of them kids and teens and people 20-30s. that covers all the main gaming ages.
You do realize that games have dpads and analog type pads built onto the screen right? Not many would use a controller on a tablet/phone as its not needed.
Also, the quality of graphics on a tablet are by far better than a 3DS. People 20-30 freely play games anywhere you look on their phone and tablet proud to show everyone.
A 3DS, I see them in kids hands in malls, sometimes teens in a bus, but very few adults 20-30 use them in public, I live in a major city and am around people daily that are gaming mobile and its like 95% phone/tablet that i see not a Nintendo handheld.
If you do see a man 20-30 using a 3DS in public its like "look at that nerd" from any normal adult, they consider it a kids toy and that the person is a geek using it. However, the people playing a tablet/phone game in public do not get that reaction as people know adults play them all the time.
When did you see a teen-30 yr old girl playing a 3DS in public lol. I see them playing tablets and phones though and all the time.
You actually think a $5 tablet game with 50+ hours of gameplay, story and cinematics and everything is somehow less quality than a 3DS game? YOu pretty much are showing me you don't have a tablet or don't use it at all as that is completely false.
@LDXD Nintendo is only selling games to Nintendo fans only. They are losing gamers daily to phones, tablets, sony, microsoft, iphone/ipad. They are not stealing gamers from other consoles or pulling people away from PC to them.
You don't understand that point? Gamers go to where games are at. Nintendo did great in the mobile gaming world the past 15+ years to keep them afloat. However, with tablets and phones growing by the day, Nintendo will find it much harder to sell their handheld games anymore, especially to adults that own a Google or Apple(even MS) handheld.
Also, Nintendo sells games on mobile for $20+ while tablet and phone games are free - $5 mostly.
@LDXD Tablets and phones both have controllers. You can use bluetooth to use a 360 controller or many other controlers and things like MOGA for phones etc. Look at the Shield by Nvidia.
Also, you really don't think the Square, Gameloft and top RPGs on tablet are better than a game such as Zombie U? hahahaha Seriously?
Stop being a fanboy and look at reality please. I bought a Wii U. I support it. I bought 2 VC games today, buy things for it each week to try to keep supporting it.
But i also look around me and play on PC, mobile and see that they are making huge leaps and bounds in quality while Nintendo is selling me games I played on SNES 20 years ago as their best game of the month. I already sold 4 of my WIi U games because they were either not fun or not quality. The main thing I play on it are Mario, pinball and the old VC games from SNES and NES. They need to up the quality and type of games they have.
They need RPGs, need FPS games, need a lot better multiplayer online games, need more Sports games, need just more variety of games and ways to have fun for people my age. Not stuff made for Nintendo fans only and family/kids.
@Saleemra Umm when i said Nintendo promised us a console that would be appealing to "adults" and "adult games" I mean games that a person 20-35+ enjoys playing. It has nothing to do with adult content. It has everything to do with a console for gamers, not for children. They cannot ignore FPS, sports and other genres that have console selling games on the other consoles.
Nintendo focuses too much on the 8-14 year old gamers and on "family oriented" and "games kids can play together in same room." Seriously I am an adult, I don't invite my friends over to play games anymore. Even kids don't as there is something called the internet where you can team up or play against other people. Games with only local multiplayer are awful nowadays and one look at the box "local multiplayer only" means no sale to me.
Also, you were saying "it doesn't matter if Wii U isn't selling, they still outsell Sony/Microsoft when you count the 3DS and other Nintendo devices." So, I countered you by saying Sony and Microsoft sell laptops, tablets, phones and many other gaming devices that you forgot to include when you mentioned your point.
Wii U has a head start and they are wasting it so far and also the future looks pretty weak as each day a new developer drops Nintendo. They have to focus more on the Wii U and adult gamers and less on the 3DS and children.
Go there and look at Zenonia 5, Real Boxing, Chaos Rings 2(by square), Blade Slinger and the rest of them and that is only games of the past month or so.... They rival console games in gameplay and even graphics. The RPGS on tablet are acvtually better than the ones on console lately as there are so many at such a high quality and many of these games are free or $5 and under....
Seriously if you say you never have seen a good tablet game you really need to look closer.
Nintendo needs to step up. The gaming world is evolving and moving forward and they seem to be only taking baby steps and missing out on a lot of stuff.
@Saleemra http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us is the windows tablet and is selling well. http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us is the phone made by Microsoft and while its 3rd in sales, it is still selling well and making them a good amount of money(i think they sold at least 5 million of these phones+tablets last year) where Nintendo sells 0 phones and 0 tablets right? If you add up every device where you can play games Microsoft outsells Nintendo(especially to true gamers, not children). MS also gains money since this new http://shield.nvidia.com/ uses Windows and can stream pc games to a handheld, etc. They also have "games for Windows" and get so much money from their operating system and games on it. My point is Nintendo needs to step up with the Wii U and start making things for adults and gamers, not only kids. I will never use a Nintendo handheld in public, only kids would be caught using one or adults that are laughed at. Wii is dead, I bought a Wii U as they said it would be a gamers console not only a family/kids device with a gimmick behind it how the Wii was. So far they are not delivering.
@Saleemra Umm if you are going to count all platforms then what about Sony and Microsoft PCs, phones, tablets etc.?
The Wii U in no way should be outsold by the dead Wii. Nobody wants a Wii nowadays, only people buying it are cheap parents that don't want to spend a lil more on another console.
They don't buy FPS games, don't buy sports games. Right there alone they lose at 3rd party consoles as those are 2 of the most sold genres on a console.
With no sports games it means I have to get another console pretty much.... I have a PC so I don't mind very few or no FPS on console, but sports games on PC suck, so its one of the genres where a console is needed for me.
Nintendo always last to adopt ideas. They wait 5-10 years then do what the others are doing. Things like online gaming, hard drive on the console, using discs instead of cartridges, ways to connect with other gamers, etc.
They innovate with controllers and touch/motion, etc. But always lag so far behind in basic features.
I'm glad they will get DLC because if not theyd have even less games as every game pretty much has DLC nowadays.
These games are no good fro the prices. I'll spend $5 on an indie bundle(theres about 5 going on today) and get 6-10 PC games that are better than any of these titles.
I did get Wii u Zen pinball marvel tables that are all on sale for $1.25 each this week though.
Wow there are almost no good games coming to the Wii U...... 1st party there should be some, but come on...... No sports games, no RPGs, i think FPS will be gone now too with no call of duty..... Nintendo WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They should have had FFXIV on the Wii U. That would have brought so many players to the system alone. No matter if the game was great or not, square/final fantasy fans are as loyal as nintendo ones.
Many of these types of games are released daily on steam and in indie bundles. River city was awesome in its day, but nowadays the 8bit/16bit indies are a dime a dozen. Nothing impressive about this to me.
Another slap in the face to NA/EU... Nintendo has to start considering people outside of Japan if they want to keep people buying their stuff.
I support them every machine, and each machine has less and less games that I like. I love RPGS and games not meant for just children, why do they release so few outside of japan?
IDK if I will pick any up. I get 10 games for 5 bucks in indie bundles (many very good games on steam/desura)and Nintendo wants 7 bucks for SMW that I bought who knows how many times in my life.
They need to bundle all the classic games, then release more modern games like Wii VC ASAP.
I got all the cheap .30 ones so far, I think I will wait for SMW and excite bike, the prices are too high IMO for old NES games with nothing added.
I won't be buying this. Woulda been a good launch title since we had few good games, but by September its too late for me, I'll just enjoy the free game while its on Wii U.
Wonderful 101 and pikmin are again little kid games for the most part. Sure anyone can play them, but they are not something a teenager or adult would say, "WOW or COOL!" and want to show off to a friend.
They said Wii U was going to focus on gamers!
All of the 3rd party companies that make games for gamers are giving up on the Wii U already and focusing on other consoles.
Come on Nintendo...........
Also while 3DS is doing good, more and more kids even age 4 are getting ipads and any kid above 10 uses tablets and phones for gaming.
Nintendo has to focus on what people want and get with the times already.
Nintendo is focusing everything for the 3DS and not its console. They release 1-2 junk items for Wii U and then a bunch of great games on 3DS.
The 3DS is for little kids. No adult would be caught dead using one outside the house. We have phones and tablets already.......
Does Nintendo just want to be known as the company for little kids again? I thought this time they were aiming at real gamers? So far they are failing miserably.
Rayman good job, we will all play this free thing and most of us will not buy your game since its on every console now and months late. No way to fix something that broken. Its not even a good game in the 1st place, Rayman was always a mediocre series not that popular to make such a huge deal about.
This is horrible news. To me it just sounds like Nintendo has nothing to show in comparison to Sony and Microsoft, so they want to just use Nintendo Direct to talk to current customers and try to get us to buy more games since they don't make profit on the consoles anyway, but on games.
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Re: Talking Point: The Wii U's Next-Gen Challenge Starts to Take Shape
@WaveBoy Listen man the games on my PC look amazing compared to anything on my Wii U so far.
The Wii U is nowhere near the point to where graphics can no longer improve to make a difference.
Graphics are still important. Mario can be a cartoon but the backgrounds and textures can improve and make the game look 100 x better still than it does right now. His animations can be even more fluid, his clothing can look realistic with the sloth moving in the air, etc.(Physics)
I'm not saying games should make all characters look like real people, but they can stay cartoony and still look way better than what Wii U has shown me up to now. So, saying more power is useless is just non-sense.
More power also allows you to have games like MMORPGs that need power to have all the people on screen at once and a huge open world, etc.
I love nintendo, but I also like to be realistic. Nintendo is lagging behind in everything right now.
Only thing keeping it worth getting a WIi U right now is 1st party titles and so far the Nintendo mario game was not even that good. I hope the Zelda and other games are a lot better.
Re: Talking Point: The Wii U's Next-Gen Challenge Starts to Take Shape
@Twilight_Crow If you don't like machines that try to do everything, why get a Wii U?
Wii U has amazon, netflix, youtube, a browser. It has WiiTV, it is a remote control for your TV.
Nintendo is also trying to make the console do everything music, movies, TV, and games, they just do it sloppy and clunky so far.
You people saying Xbox One is no good because its trying to do stuff with TV are hypocrites because nintendo is trying also.
Re: Talking Point: The Wii U's Next-Gen Challenge Starts to Take Shape
@WaveBoy Yea I mean who wants realistic graphics when we can buy a 20 year old game from nintendo and play it in its 16 bit glory for $10 right?
Gimme a break. Better graphics is a good thing. Gameplay is most important, but graphics should always improve as well.
Apps are also a good thing, the more the console can do to make your time on your TV more fun is good.
Re: Talking Point: The Wii U's Next-Gen Challenge Starts to Take Shape
From what is see so far, Xbox One can do everything the Wii U does, but better.
The controller for Wii U might be a lil better, but that smartglass that lets xbox one use any phone or tablet as a screen sounds nice too.
The UI is terrible on Wii U. Slow dinosaur load times, slow shop which has so many screens just to buy DLC. Just Slow machine overall to switch from doing one thing to another. Xbox one seems like it will be all smooth and load instantly from one thing to the next.
The one thing Nintendo has is 1st party games; Mario, Punchout, Mario Kart, Zelda and so on.
The actual console is pretty much the worst one in terms of power and capability. But the 1st party games will hopefully be best on Nintendo.
Re: Capcom Outlines June DLC for Resident Evil Revelations
Well I pre-ordered resident evil 6 on steam and it came with resident evil 5, the whole season pass and a ton of other goodies. (revelations idk if they got it all since I got 6 and skipped that game).
I will never buy a game on Wii U that is available on PC because PC games are cheaper and also come with bonus content free most times or cheaper too.
Re: New Wii U System Update Goes Live
@LindsayPez You probably have to send it in and pay money for them to fix it.
Re: Capcom Outlines June DLC for Resident Evil Revelations
If you pre-ordered the game on Steam, then you got all of the Season Pass/DLC and even free games as part of the deal with soundtrack, art book also. So for me it was a no-go on Wii U.
"everyone who pre-orders on Steam will get an art book and 13-song soundtrack when the game launches. Next up is tier two, a free copy of 2007's Lost Planet: Extreme Condition that Capcom will distribute shortly after that pre-order goal is reached. Tier three promises "more weapons and more characters" for Raid mode, with four pieces of additional content to be revealed after the game's launch, all part of the Season Pass."
Re: Rumour: Wii U Sold Less Than 40,000 Units In North America In April
@LDXD Nobody is saying Nintendo should try to become a tablet or phone. Its that tablets/phones and android on TV devices are all cheaper wasy to game on the go and on the TV and they have way, way , way more and cheaper games too.
Look at this a $99 console that plays android games on your TV. http://www.ouya.tv/discover/ It got 8+ million dollars of kickstarter money and that shows people wanted it.
You can root it and then it plays all games from google play store that you already have. Every game on the official UI has to have a free element to it like a demo of the game at least.
It has a controller too: Wireless controller with standard controls (two analog sticks, d-pad, eight action buttons, a system button), a touchpad
Then steam(valve) is making a steambox console that plays your steam games on the TV. valve has a controller for it also and they have the money and customers to have great support for it.
All this is competition. Nintendo has to see all of the innovation coming out and types of consoles and prices and start to get back to work.
All of this cuts into the sony, microsoft, nintendo profits. For console only devices like the Wii U to be a big success in the next 5 years against all of this, yes they need to have GREAT!!! GAMES!!!
Right now they dont have even 1 Great game on the Wii U yet.
Re: Rumour: Wii U Sold Less Than 40,000 Units In North America In April
@LDXD
My solution is Nintendo needs to try to gain back all the people that left them for Sony/Microsoft/PC/Tablets/Phones. They used to make games people of all ages loved, true gaming consoles.
Nintendo is selling decently with the 3DS now, but its to kids that play pokemon for the most part. No respectable adult is going to bust out a 3DS and play in public. Even then for example, my 2 nephews are 3 and 5, both have played on tablets since age 2 and neither one owns a DS, kids of today mostly all play with parents phones/tablets and will want one of their own as they started out with touch controls, its no problem for them.
The Wii was sold to stay at home moms and as a gimmick machine to play with your family. It was fun for a couple months, but to true gamers it was a disaster. i bought one but 95% of its life it spent turned off while I played my PC and other stuff.
Do you understand anything at all? We are talking about how Nintendo can gain back a broader audience, not stay the same or shrink even more.
They need better games, better prices and more features online, more marketing for adults, more 3rd party stuff, more 1st party stuff, more everything.
Re: Rumour: Wii U Sold Less Than 40,000 Units In North America In April
@LDXD I'm not talking only about me personally. I'm telling you, very, very few adults walk around with a 3DS or vita. I guess maybe you do, more power to you, not many people have enough pockets to take it around with a phone/tablet already on them. Plus they consider it a kids toy anyway even if they did.
We are talking about how Nintendo can improve sales, not about what you and I like most.
The numbers show people overall don't prefer Nintendo's new console over any old consoles and that they prefer tablets and phones over Nintendo handhelds too.
Nintendo needs to start thinking on how to gain more sales and stop catering to children first. Adults are the main gamers, idk what they don't understand about this.
Re: Rumour: Wii U Sold Less Than 40,000 Units In North America In April
@Saleemra You are wrong in every way.
A gaming computer and gaming tablet are gaming 1st devices just much more powerful with many more games at a much cheaper price than consoles. You can also buy a work computer/tablet or internet browsing only computer like google chrome. But I build gaming computer and believe me its primary function is to play games.
They just also happen to be able to do other things much better as well. I mean you do realize consoles also try to let you browse the internet, watch movies, and do many other tasks as well as gaming? They just are much weaker so do it all poorly in comparison.
And I'm talking about games like a dungeon crawler or maybe an MMORPG even one like Final Fantasy XIV or similar, Wii U needs those type of games and many other rpgs. Even super mario RPG Wii U version if it was a 1st party one, just something.
FPS they dont need to have a port of all the ones you can get on pc and every console, but they need to have a few for FPS gamers. Even a Nintendo based Tf2 ype game would be awesome, like a smash brothers but FPS type.
They need sports games for sure, can be 1st or 3rd party.
Its just that they have been announcing games that no non-nintendo fan gamer would care about enough to spend $300+ for the console and game.
We are talking about how Wii U can pull in new fans, sell units here, not how they can just keep the nintendo crowd.
Also, I know Wii sold great to kids and stay at home mothers to do "exercise on" for a few months then it collected dust. But I bought Wii U under the impression it would be back to Nintendo making a console for gamers.
Re: Rumour: Wii U Sold Less Than 40,000 Units In North America In April
@LDXD You don't even have the games man, I wont reply to you anymore. You say horrid controls? No buttons? lol.
Wii U just made a controller that is 50% based on touch controls but with a lower resolution and low quality touch screen compared to tablets. So if you think touch based controls are horrid, I guess you think the Wii u controller is even worse.
I like some games on Wii u so far, it just isnt living up to what it promised and the 3DS is no competition for gaming on tablet sorry. Price, quality, variety, all combined, tablet wins by a long way unless you like pokemon or some other 1st party title enough to just buy both.
Re: Rumour: Wii U Sold Less Than 40,000 Units In North America In April
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Ravensword: Shadowlands look at this game for tablet/phone
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.crescentmoongames.ravensword2&hl=en
The game is like skyrim but mobile. No 3DS game looks like this or is as detailed a 3d rpg world as this. $7 man! See my point?
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Aralon: Sword and Shadow
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.crescentmoongames.aralon&hl=en ONLY $5
Again a full 3D rpg world. Nothing on 3DS can look like these games or rival them and at this price.
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WILD BLOOD
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gameloft.android.ANMP.GloftWBHM&hl=en
$5 and another great game no 3DS has or will ever have.
Re: Rumour: Wii U Sold Less Than 40,000 Units In North America In April
@LDXD
Do you even realize there are more tablet/phone games and by far than 3DS games? How are you saying tablets/phones are not on the same level as a dedicated gaming device? Hundreds of games come out each month for them. 3DS has like 10 games a month max?
Yes we all know 80-90% of the day you are either in the water, exploring the islands, dancing and having fun and not gonna be gaming on a cruise. But, when people sit down to eat(which most people do 2 to 4 times a day on a cruise) they pull out their phone/tablet that is all we need to know. Nobody pulled out a 3DS. Same goes for pictures like you mentioned. It all points to not many want a 3DS as it does just one thing play games and games that mostly kids-teens only play. An adult wants to game mobile is getting a good phone or tablet to game/communicate/browse all in one.
Next, you keep mentioning quality. Tablets have a graphics processor, RAM and CPU that is leaps and bounds more powerful than a 3DS. Also their storage is unlimited with SD cards. This means games can be bigger and better on a tablet in terms of what can fit on the machine.
Also about what games are more than 50 hours on a tablet? You realize there are even MMORPGs on tablets? 2d ones, 3d ones, those give you hundreds of hours and even thousands for some people and many are 100% free.
A week or 2 ago I picked up 11 RPGs for $11 by Kemco(android sale). They are all great games, many that easily rival many 3DS rpgs.
Those are classic old school looking games. But there are many open world 3d ones as well and again $5 or less and no cash shops. There are hundreds of quality RPGS 20-50+ hours of gameplay and that are good games on tablet/phone.
Now, also there are remakes of classic Square and other company RPGS on there and they usually cost $2-20. Nintendo charges as much or more even for re-releases(no added features) of a game like balloon fight or solomons quest......
Finally, tablets and phones have emulators on them that let you play all of the games on any system. So you really have no reason as an adult to get a 3DS over a phone/tablet. That is the bottom line of what we are talking about.
Nintendo needs to make moves to attract adult gamers how they promised. They said they were making a gaming machine for gamers and are not delivering.
Re: Rumour: Wii U Sold Less Than 40,000 Units In North America In April
@LDXD OK last time I try to make the point as simple as I can for you.
I was on a cruise Friday to Monday. I saw people on the ship while eating and exploring the islands walking around using ipads, iphones, android phones, etc. playing games, taking pictures, handing them to their kids also to play on them.
I did not see one Nintendo handheld being used and the cruise had 3,000 people on it and many of them kids and teens and people 20-30s. that covers all the main gaming ages.
You do realize that games have dpads and analog type pads built onto the screen right? Not many would use a controller on a tablet/phone as its not needed.
Also, the quality of graphics on a tablet are by far better than a 3DS. People 20-30 freely play games anywhere you look on their phone and tablet proud to show everyone.
A 3DS, I see them in kids hands in malls, sometimes teens in a bus, but very few adults 20-30 use them in public, I live in a major city and am around people daily that are gaming mobile and its like 95% phone/tablet that i see not a Nintendo handheld.
If you do see a man 20-30 using a 3DS in public its like "look at that nerd" from any normal adult, they consider it a kids toy and that the person is a geek using it. However, the people playing a tablet/phone game in public do not get that reaction as people know adults play them all the time.
When did you see a teen-30 yr old girl playing a 3DS in public lol. I see them playing tablets and phones though and all the time.
You actually think a $5 tablet game with 50+ hours of gameplay, story and cinematics and everything is somehow less quality than a 3DS game? YOu pretty much are showing me you don't have a tablet or don't use it at all as that is completely false.
Re: Rumour: Wii U Sold Less Than 40,000 Units In North America In April
@LDXD Nintendo is only selling games to Nintendo fans only. They are losing gamers daily to phones, tablets, sony, microsoft, iphone/ipad. They are not stealing gamers from other consoles or pulling people away from PC to them.
You don't understand that point? Gamers go to where games are at. Nintendo did great in the mobile gaming world the past 15+ years to keep them afloat. However, with tablets and phones growing by the day, Nintendo will find it much harder to sell their handheld games anymore, especially to adults that own a Google or Apple(even MS) handheld.
Also, Nintendo sells games on mobile for $20+ while tablet and phone games are free - $5 mostly.
So again you don't understand this?
Re: Rumour: Wii U Sold Less Than 40,000 Units In North America In April
@LDXD Tablets and phones both have controllers. You can use bluetooth to use a 360 controller or many other controlers and things like MOGA for phones etc. Look at the Shield by Nvidia.
Also, you really don't think the Square, Gameloft and top RPGs on tablet are better than a game such as Zombie U? hahahaha Seriously?
Stop being a fanboy and look at reality please. I bought a Wii U. I support it. I bought 2 VC games today, buy things for it each week to try to keep supporting it.
But i also look around me and play on PC, mobile and see that they are making huge leaps and bounds in quality while Nintendo is selling me games I played on SNES 20 years ago as their best game of the month. I already sold 4 of my WIi U games because they were either not fun or not quality. The main thing I play on it are Mario, pinball and the old VC games from SNES and NES. They need to up the quality and type of games they have.
They need RPGs, need FPS games, need a lot better multiplayer online games, need more Sports games, need just more variety of games and ways to have fun for people my age. Not stuff made for Nintendo fans only and family/kids.
Re: Rumour: Wii U Sold Less Than 40,000 Units In North America In April
@Saleemra Umm when i said Nintendo promised us a console that would be appealing to "adults" and "adult games" I mean games that a person 20-35+ enjoys playing. It has nothing to do with adult content. It has everything to do with a console for gamers, not for children. They cannot ignore FPS, sports and other genres that have console selling games on the other consoles.
Nintendo focuses too much on the 8-14 year old gamers and on "family oriented" and "games kids can play together in same room." Seriously I am an adult, I don't invite my friends over to play games anymore. Even kids don't as there is something called the internet where you can team up or play against other people. Games with only local multiplayer are awful nowadays and one look at the box "local multiplayer only" means no sale to me.
Also, you were saying "it doesn't matter if Wii U isn't selling, they still outsell Sony/Microsoft when you count the 3DS and other Nintendo devices." So, I countered you by saying Sony and Microsoft sell laptops, tablets, phones and many other gaming devices that you forgot to include when you mentioned your point.
Wii U has a head start and they are wasting it so far and also the future looks pretty weak as each day a new developer drops Nintendo. They have to focus more on the Wii U and adult gamers and less on the 3DS and children.
Re: Rumour: Wii U Sold Less Than 40,000 Units In North America In April
@LDXD
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/03/20/46-best-and-2-wtf-new-android-games-from-the-last-2-weeks-3713-32013/
Go there and look at Zenonia 5, Real Boxing, Chaos Rings 2(by square), Blade Slinger and the rest of them and that is only games of the past month or so.... They rival console games in gameplay and even graphics. The RPGS on tablet are acvtually better than the ones on console lately as there are so many at such a high quality and many of these games are free or $5 and under....
Seriously if you say you never have seen a good tablet game you really need to look closer.
Nintendo needs to step up. The gaming world is evolving and moving forward and they seem to be only taking baby steps and missing out on a lot of stuff.
Re: Rumour: Wii U Sold Less Than 40,000 Units In North America In April
@Saleemra http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us is the windows tablet and is selling well. http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us is the phone made by Microsoft and while its 3rd in sales, it is still selling well and making them a good amount of money(i think they sold at least 5 million of these phones+tablets last year) where Nintendo sells 0 phones and 0 tablets right? If you add up every device where you can play games Microsoft outsells Nintendo(especially to true gamers, not children). MS also gains money since this new http://shield.nvidia.com/ uses Windows and can stream pc games to a handheld, etc. They also have "games for Windows" and get so much money from their operating system and games on it. My point is Nintendo needs to step up with the Wii U and start making things for adults and gamers, not only kids. I will never use a Nintendo handheld in public, only kids would be caught using one or adults that are laughed at. Wii is dead, I bought a Wii U as they said it would be a gamers console not only a family/kids device with a gimmick behind it how the Wii was. So far they are not delivering.
Re: The Wonderful 101 Launch Dates Revealed
I don't understand the hype for this game. It looks like a little kids version of a champions online or DC universe game.
I will have to try it before buying it to see what its all about i guess.
Re: Rumour: Wii U Sold Less Than 40,000 Units In North America In April
@Saleemra Umm if you are going to count all platforms then what about Sony and Microsoft PCs, phones, tablets etc.?
The Wii U in no way should be outsold by the dead Wii. Nobody wants a Wii nowadays, only people buying it are cheap parents that don't want to spend a lil more on another console.
Re: FIFA 14 is Skipping Wii U Because of "Disappointing" FIFA 13 Sales
Nintendo fans are just bad business.
They don't buy FPS games, don't buy sports games. Right there alone they lose at 3rd party consoles as those are 2 of the most sold genres on a console.
With no sports games it means I have to get another console pretty much.... I have a PC so I don't mind very few or no FPS on console, but sports games on PC suck, so its one of the genres where a console is needed for me.
Re: Resident Evil: Revelations Wii U Demo Scares Its Way Across Europe
@Sherlock Because why would I want a remake of a 3DS game when I just got the better Resident Evil 6?
Re: Resident Evil: Revelations Wii U Demo Scares Its Way Across Europe
I already have RE6 on steam, so wont be picking this up.
Re: Talking Point: DLC's Increasingly Important Role for Nintendo
Nintendo always last to adopt ideas. They wait 5-10 years then do what the others are doing. Things like online gaming, hard drive on the console, using discs instead of cartridges, ways to connect with other gamers, etc.
They innovate with controllers and touch/motion, etc. But always lag so far behind in basic features.
I'm glad they will get DLC because if not theyd have even less games as every game pretty much has DLC nowadays.
Re: Nintendo Download: 9th May 2013 (North America)
These games are no good fro the prices. I'll spend $5 on an indie bundle(theres about 5 going on today) and get 6-10 PC games that are better than any of these titles.
I did get Wii u Zen pinball marvel tables that are all on sale for $1.25 each this week though.
Re: East Meets West In RPG Festival Of Magic, And It's Coming To The Wii U eShop
Looks like crap.
Re: Rumour: Nintendo Helping Developers to Convert Smartphone Games to Wii U
These games cost .25 cents and .99 cents on indie steam bundles and on google play store.
Why would I buy them on Wii U for probably $5-20?
Re: Madden NFL Is Skipping Nintendo Systems For The First Time Since 1991
Wow there are almost no good games coming to the Wii U...... 1st party there should be some, but come on...... No sports games, no RPGs, i think FPS will be gone now too with no call of duty..... Nintendo WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Nintendo Has Plans to Deliver "New Offers" In Download Stores
They should also release a trading card online free to play game where you can buy virtual card packs.
Re: Nintendo Has Plans to Deliver "New Offers" In Download Stores
They should have had FFXIV on the Wii U. That would have brought so many players to the system alone. No matter if the game was great or not, square/final fantasy fans are as loyal as nintendo ones.
Re: New River City Ransom Sequel Confirmed
Many of these types of games are released daily on steam and in indie bundles. River city was awesome in its day, but nowadays the 8bit/16bit indies are a dime a dozen. Nothing impressive about this to me.
Re: Hands On: Getting Competitive in the Rayman Legends Challenges App
This game is better than any actual real game released on Wii U so far.
Shows off graphics, proper use of the gamepad, is fun, and seems like a next gen game(at least more than wii quality...).
Hope more games come out like this one, only better. But this is a good start.
Re: Japanese Wii U Virtual Console Launches With 14 Titles Available To Download
Another slap in the face to NA/EU... Nintendo has to start considering people outside of Japan if they want to keep people buying their stuff.
I support them every machine, and each machine has less and less games that I like. I love RPGS and games not meant for just children, why do they release so few outside of japan?
Re: Nintendo Download: 26th April - Virtual Console (North America)
IDK if I will pick any up. I get 10 games for 5 bucks in indie bundles (many very good games on steam/desura)and Nintendo wants 7 bucks for SMW that I bought who knows how many times in my life.
They need to bundle all the classic games, then release more modern games like Wii VC ASAP.
I got all the cheap .30 ones so far, I think I will wait for SMW and excite bike, the prices are too high IMO for old NES games with nothing added.
Re: Rayman Legends Release Brought Forward to 3rd September in North America, 30th August in Europe
I won't be buying this. Woulda been a good launch title since we had few good games, but by September its too late for me, I'll just enjoy the free game while its on Wii U.
Re: Analyst: Nintendo of America "Forgot Marketing 101" For Wii U
Wonderful 101 and pikmin are again little kid games for the most part. Sure anyone can play them, but they are not something a teenager or adult would say, "WOW or COOL!" and want to show off to a friend.
They said Wii U was going to focus on gamers!
All of the 3rd party companies that make games for gamers are giving up on the Wii U already and focusing on other consoles.
Come on Nintendo...........
Also while 3DS is doing good, more and more kids even age 4 are getting ipads and any kid above 10 uses tablets and phones for gaming.
Nintendo has to focus on what people want and get with the times already.
Re: Hardware Review: MaxPlay Wii U In-Car Adapter
This is why we have tablets and phones already.
Who would want to be using the Wii U outside............. very, very few people would get this.
Re: Wii U System Update Is Now Live
Hopefully the speed up is by a lot. The menus should be instant in 2013, even 10 seconds is way too long.
I never feel like checking anything because I hate waiting 20 seconds for a menu, click, 20 sec again, click 20 sec again.
It needs to really be under 5 seconds t load anything on the machine.
Re: Nintendo Download: 25th April 2013 (North America)
Nintendo is focusing everything for the 3DS and not its console. They release 1-2 junk items for Wii U and then a bunch of great games on 3DS.
The 3DS is for little kids. No adult would be caught dead using one outside the house. We have phones and tablets already.......
Does Nintendo just want to be known as the company for little kids again? I thought this time they were aiming at real gamers? So far they are failing miserably.
Rayman good job, we will all play this free thing and most of us will not buy your game since its on every console now and months late. No way to fix something that broken. Its not even a good game in the 1st place, Rayman was always a mediocre series not that popular to make such a huge deal about.
Re: Nintendo Download: 27th April - Virtual Console (Europe)
Panorama view...... seems so stupid. You have to buy tours where you just look around?
We already have google maps where you can do that free and be anywhere in the world.
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo's Changing the Media Game at E3
This is horrible news. To me it just sounds like Nintendo has nothing to show in comparison to Sony and Microsoft, so they want to just use Nintendo Direct to talk to current customers and try to get us to buy more games since they don't make profit on the consoles anyway, but on games.