@NintendoByNature Yeah exactly. Ultimately you are posting your comment on the Internet for others to see, so it’s helpful to keep that in mind and be civil.
I’m also a fan of franchises, big and small, so it’s quite interesting to see what people have to say. In the age of Kickstarter campaigns designed to recapture nostalgic feelings and “giving the people what they want” something is sometimes lost in the process. I like comfort food but I also like creators giving me something I didn’t think I wanted. I’m not referencing Pokémon as an example here, but as @Zuljaras said earlier, listening to what everyone wants is not always the best way forward.
Being skeptical doesn’t have to mean being dismissive, because sometimes what we really want is not what we think.
That is probably poorly worded, but I’m going with it anyway 😆
@NotTelevision yep. I think a good example on my end was cadence of hyrule. I was VERY skepticle and dare i say, disappointed in the idea of a rythym based zelda game. It's my favorite franchise and i was a little worried that id hate it. By no means was I so frustrated that I took to social media to voice my issues. I ended up trying it out and as it turns out, it's one of my favorite zelda outings. Thus, my profile pic 😁. Moral of the story, you can easily be surprised when you didn't think you would be.
@Anti-Matter Nobody cares, buddy. Nobody cares. Look to yourself first, then point at others. If you don't want people to react negatively towards you, then don't post such ridiculous comments. Oh, and "Bratz" is a brand name, not a name for a spoiled person. That's written with an S at the end, not a Z...
@Zuljaras Of course there's a lot of similarities, but that's also because they can't just make completely different looking models, because they have to look, and even more importantly: "feel" the part.
I mean after all: if you compare N64's Pokémon Stadium models to the ones on the GameCube, then these are also practically the same, but that doesn't mean that the N64's models were simply ported over to the GameCube. And now, with the Switch, that isn't the case either. The architecture is radically different, the way the hardware handles in-game content is completely different, and even more important: it's been made with a completely different engine, so put all of that together, and all these conspiracy theorists simply haven't got a leg to stand on.
Not that it's going to stop them doing what they like so much, but still...
@ThanosReXXX I meant the model skeletons not 2 pictures. I meant it as 2 files opened and put next to each other. That is what I saw from the video. And now I have doubts if it is real or not.
Anyway I really want to see the sales report. And with the holidays coming it will be huge!
@Zuljaras Well, simply consider this: the 3DS is a 240p screen console/handheld, so they'd have to blow up the model skeletons/wire frame models as well, to get them to 720p and higher. And as I said: the game is running on a completely different engine as well. Save but the most generic files, such as images and sound files, you can't just port models from one custom engine to another, unless you use some kind of converter and/or adapter, and for that many models, it would mean SO much extra time and effort into remaking them into HD versions, that it would pretty much be an enormous waste of time to do, so it makes no sense whatsoever.
And YouTube videos being made to create sensational, not always completely true or highly embellished content is happening everyday, so no surprise there. A lot of these channels are like today's digital version of tabloids.
If the developers say that they made the models from the ground up, and explain in detail why they did, then that's what happened, not what some attention wh*** of a YouTube "celebrity" said...
If the developers would lie, then they'd only undermine their own credibility, so it's highly unlikely that this is the case.
@Eel bahahah i just played the boss in the castle and my skeptical self said, "there's No way his brother beat that guy in 10 seconds." Much to my surprise, I pulled out the rocket launcher and boom, achievement for defeating him lol. It's really a cheese way to win, but...... I saved a ton of ammo in the process and regret nothing hahaah
@ThanosReXXX
Eh, sorry for the typo. 😅
Btw, do you play Pokemon Sword / Shield too ?
Looks like i will getting my Pokemon Sword on this Sunday after i got notification on my Whatsapp if Pokemon Sword / Shield is already available at Surabaya.
@Anti-Matter No, not yet. I might get the game after Christmas, but I'm not sure yet. There's a lot of other games that I also want, so we'll see what happens when the time comes.
'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'
@NintendoByNature So it was like: "Hey, man/monster, before we start this fight: it looks there's something in your eye" (monster looks only ever so slightly confused). You: "Oh, wait, it's a rocket from my BAZOOKA!!!"
'The console wars are like boobs: Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'
I know nothing of the models used in the new Pokémon games and I don't really care about the whole controversy surrounding the game. I'm 8 hours into the game and really enjoying it so far.
That said, I do believe X & Y had high quality models. That was already known back when the games came out. There're plenty of videos and screenshots of the games running in HD and the models themselves aren't hard to acquire either. Everyone can compare the models themselves soon enough. Not that it makes any difference anyway.
3D models are data, just like images and sound. In their simplest form, they are just connected dots. Porting games would be much harder if models wouldn't work from one console to another.
It's kind of hard talking about these things since it's very easy to come off as mean to somebody even though I don't mean to do so. That's actually pretty accurate when anyone says anything in the internet nowadays. I was just thinking I haven't visited The Chit-Chat Thread for a long while and this was the on-going discussion so here I am. Hi.
Check out my Gaming Nonograms thread here on Nintendo Life if you are into Picross or other similar games.
@Late Welcome back, then. You're certainly doing your name justice...
But all kidding aside, I don't think anyone here minds you stepping in or thinking you're aggressive or what not. It's what this thread is for: it isn't called the Chit-Chat thread for nothing, right?
As for the Pokémon models discussion: as @Zuljaras already mentioned, it was not so much about the ACTUAL Pokémon models, but about the skeletons/wire frame models that they're made from.
The important thing to understand about that particular subject, is that different programs use different file formats, so like I previously said, you can't just port any file from any game engine to another game engine, unless it has converters or adapters to make that possible.
And as also previously mentioned, the developers themselves have already explained what they actually did, instead of what some people choose to keep believing:
@NintendoByNature haha yeah it’s quite the ammo and time saver! It’s also a fun way to ruin the moment.
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In regards to my dentist appointment, it went well. I have one tooth less in my mouth, back to the desirable normal amount of teeth again.
The little stinker had a hook shaped root, so it was a bit of a pain to remove it, and he had drill off a tiny little bit of the good tooth it was impacting. But well. It’s out now.
@Eel yea it's prob not the most fair (?) Way to do it but ah...oh well. As for the tooth, sounds painful, but looks you're doing well. So that's a good thing.
I guess I just want to be extra cautious when it comes to this topic. The news section gets quite heated at times. The forums have always been nicer place for discussions.
To me it seems like they're pretty much using the same engine. At least their battle engine seems to be intact with next to no changes. Don't quote me on that. I studied game engines for 4 years and worked on some too but I'm no expert. 3D model support should not be a problem even if they did change engines. The first thing I'd do when switching engines would be to check if my earlier stuff worked with it.
The dots I mentioned earlier are what make the wireframe, together with ids that say which dots to connect to form polygons. Then you shade and render them. And the skeletons used for animations are just data too. More numbers to store into a file.
Their goal with the X/Y models were that they could reuse them for a long while. They've added some animations, sure, so they probably had to rework some rigging and stuff every once in a while but as far as I know, the models were used in Let's Go too. So it's not like they haven't already used them on Switch.
From what I've gathered people are angry because Game Freak said they had to redo all models and now they see it's not the case. Am I correct? I am not fully up to date with things.
I read the article you linked, as well as the article that was used as a reference and the original Japanese interview with Google Translate (probably not the most accurate translation...) but I failed to find the sentence where they said they made new models. The English articles say they were made from scratch, sure. But they were never in quotes and I don't see where that even came from. And if they never actually said such a thing, they didn't lie.
I believe the same thing happened with the "high quality animations" stuff too. Game Freak never specified they were talking about battle animations and who knows if the translation was correct in the first place. They've certainly added plenty of animations elsewhere. Up to the point that it kind of bothers me that the characters have pretty solid mouth movement but they aren't voiced.
I was trying to keep this short but I can get carried away. Maybe this is the reason I haven't visited this thread for a while? Time to get some sleep.
Check out my Gaming Nonograms thread here on Nintendo Life if you are into Picross or other similar games.
I actually bought sword today. First Pokemon game ever for me. Not sure what to expect honestly.. plan on playing with my daughter so we can both experience it for the first time.
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