Valve Announces Steam Deck OLED, Says Switch OLED Paved The Way

Sorry Vita owners. Valve just refuses to recognize greatness.

In any case, I'm okay with them doing this. From what I can tell, the improvements are significant enough to warrant purchasing. Makes me glad I held off on buying a Deck for so long.

I'm still probably going to wait to get a refurbished OLED, though.

Oh man that definitely means Switch 2 is right around the corner.

"we dont compete with the switch" so why are you literally copying nintendo?

Do you hear that? Listen.

It's the wail of thousands of early adopters crying out into the ether.

@Rika_Yoshitake The Vita had an OLED screen first as well as that form. Switch did create the Joy Cons which was pretty smart but the Steam Deck doesn't have anything similar. They all copy each other and compete to a certain degree but it's true, the Steam Deck hasn't been a direct competitor. Either way, why do you care? You are a client, and as such, you benefit from the competition between them.

As others pointed out: Don’t dismiss the Vita! Yeah it didn’t light the world on fire but it was certainly ahead of its time.

Oh and yeah Steam Deck.

I think it was the Linus tech tips video where they said Valve was evasive when asked why this awesome new 90htz OLED screen doesn't have Variable Refresh Rate (VRR). They conjectured that this oled panel has been made possible by the economies of scale created by the Switch Oled, but those economies don't play out well if you try to add VRR. It's a bummer, but I'm still really wanting to get one of these. If Nintendo releases a handheld that does 90fps, HDR, and OLED, and can run BOTW and Tears of the Kingdom (at that awesome 90fps smoothness), then I'm done for. I won't want to do anything else but ride a horse or fly an elevator rail aircraft around Hyrule in smooth heaven!

Cool of Valve to give credit to Nintendo and praise the Switch OLED.

Poor Vita lol, not surprised they didn't acknowledge it though. Even Sony hates the Vita.

@120frames-please
I'm sure Nintendo could do that, but a console that costs 1000$ and probably even more will sell worse than the Wii U.

@Rika_Yoshitake They arent, theyre targeting a completely different market than nintendo.

Damn Greg never heard of Vita?

Anyway can’t wait for the Valve fanboys to come back out of the woodworks again with the “This will kill the Switch” for another go around.

@calbeau So many people racing to sell their 512G model lol.

I may change out the screen and battery on mine, but I've no intention on replacing it. I'm happy for new purchasers tho! Steamdeck is pretty amazing. Hopefully publishers and devs will start optimizing more and reducing the ridiculous file sizes.

i would be interested in this, but ill wait on it for now. I dont have a steamdeck, though i do think its really cool! I think ill just wait to see what the next nintendo console looks like, and i'll go from there.

I imagine the PS Portal is not on because it died when the owner forgot it existed.

RIP Nintendo! Switch had a good run! Jokes aside, I think it’s guaranteed that the Switch 2 won’t just be a simple increase in power. There’ll be some differentiating features for sure, and Switch still offers the most accessible hybrid option. How crowded the portable space has become, will be interesting to see what Nintendo does to separate themselves from the others.

What’s a PS Vita? Can it be eaten? 🤔🤔🤔

Very "smart" of you, Valve, to not acknowledge the OG Vita as the 1st to have the OLED screen before the Switch & Steam Deck did.

But...each to their own, I suppose. I, however, will still acknowledge the Vita still. As it was a very good handheld in my opinion. Sony really squandered it's potential because of their incompetent choices.

Shame that some people make the Vita as joke still. Yeesh...

Get the new 1 The battry life is worth it

While I know they're not relying on the Deck, I know ASUS really softened up their sales. In the first two months, the ROG Ally sold 500,000 units, so I'd guess by the one year mark it will be over 1 million. The Legion Go is being killed the real Deck killer, it's more upgrade friendly with Lenovo allowing Micro Center to push upgrade options for the SSD.

Glad I sold my Steam Deck for the Legion Go, it was a fun idea, but Valve can't seem to figure out what they want to do with SteamOS. Windows is going to dominate PC gaming for years to come, plus they will take over the portable PC market too. Nintendo will not feel it from Valve... at all. Not only did macOS users fall, but Linux took a big tumble last month in their hardware survey.

Of course, NL didn't think RE4 Remake and RE Village on the iPhone 15 Pro was REAL news for Switch owners. I bet the vast majority of Switch owners own an iPhone or iPad than a Steam Deck (or any portable PC).

@roy130390 Really? I’d didn’t know that! That’s pretty cool! Despite how the vita did, it sounds like they help pave this a path in the end.

Definitely getting one next year. I couldn't get my first Steam Deck to work with Dragon Ball FighterZ no matter what GE-Proton I used (even though it work with most people SD) so hopefully the OLED one will let me.

The prices for those Steam Deck OLED's are so outrageously expensive....

I hope that more and more people realizes now that the dream about Switch 2 being on PS5 level, or even on PS4 Pro level is impossible now. It will easily cost +$2000 then if on PS5 level then.

Steam Deck is below PS4's level, with single exception of having doubled RAM, yet it costs so much more than Switch despite that the technology of PS4 is now soon 11 years old!

I have a feeling that Switch 2 will be at XboxOne level, or even below.

@Rainz and yet Nintendo always gets accused of using gimmicks but they often are successful or become mainstream.

If Switch 2 is only just a powerhouse upgrade, it wouldn't be very Nintendo.

I'm up for 3d coming back as they really nailed that in the end. The effect on the 3DS still impresses me.

All of the reviews are awesome. I love my Switch, but I'll definitely get a Steam Deck too at some point.

I don't need one since I'm pretty content with my LCD Steam Deck, but its nice enough I guess.

I was far more interested in the next Steam Deck, Steam Deck 2 or whatever they may call it.

@Snatcher Yup, it was a pretty good console for it's time with many, many stupid decisions around it. The expensive memmories and how they handled their games basically killed it. But yeah, you are right, at least it paved the way for these ones.

@BobaTheFett Wonder how much that one will be.

@Duncanballs
Indeed, more often than not their “gimmicks” become innovations. Even the simple business strategy of offering multiple iterations of your system is business model innovated by Nintendo. Now look at Valve copying it. I’d say they might have released their Steam Deck OLED version a little too early as this is a bit of a slap in the face to those early adopters. It always pays off to wait on these consoles is the messaging.

I’d be down for a 3D feature on the Switch 2. I still think glasses less 3D has potential, it was pretty mind blowing to experience it for the 1st time on 3DS. They did dabble with augmented reality too, would work well with Pokémon and Pikmen games for example

And now a moment of silence for my OG PS Vita and the accompanying very expensive proprietary-for-no-reason 64GB memory card.

May they rest in peace.

@Rainz Nintendo often come back to tech they have experimented with. Unfortunately, 3d died with the drop off of 3d film popularity. I think 3d in gaming never got a fair chance.

It was mind blowing as a kid in the eighties with blue and red specs. It's still mind blowing today.

I'm still waiting to see what Nintendo does with VR and excited to see their spin on it.

Metroid Prime in VR would be amazing.

Somehow I didn’t realize the deck wasn’t OLED from the start. That being said I will wait I think. Want to work on getting my retro systems to work on my current tv.

Credit where credit is due, it's a clever move for Valve to extend a gesture of good faith to Nintendo, especially if Valve wants to continue expanding in the portable gaming market, which has been historically dominated by Nintendo since portable gaming became a thing.

I don't think they swim in the same ocean now, but maybe some day, who knows.

@blindsquirrel If Valve can do it for $550, I bet Ninty could do it for less.

You can see why Nintendo are so revered in the industry. "Thanks for the ideas Nintendo."

@Rika_Yoshitake Fun fact! No, Nintendo did not invent every idea ever first.

The original Steam Deck already is an amazing device and now it has a way better screen, bigger battery and other improvements

If you don't have a SD already and are even a tiny bit interested in it it should be a no brainer to get one

So Valve copied Nintendo, Nintendo should return the favor and copy Valve with the Switch 2: a lot more powerful.

@120frames-please
Do you have any proof, not even the PS5 and Series X can hit 90 fps. I know the Steam Deck is supposed to be a portable computer, but 90 fps still seems like a bit of a pipe dream.

Nintendo does need to hit 60 with their new console though.

I thought the Vita was going to be mentioned. That system's OLED screen was the stuff of dreams. As one who doesn't have a Switch OLED, I kind of miss the visual quality.

I've been enjoying my Steam Deck and Switch interchangeably and wasn't looking to get any new devices any time soon, but I think this might be just the inspiration I need.

@sanderev Hey! Wanna learn something fun today? Ever heard of the PS Vita from Sony? Well guess what! It had an OLED screen. Thus meaning Nintendo copied Sony first.

I have both Switch and the Steam Deck and for me those two devices are not comparable — Nintendo is doing its own thing and Steam Deck is a nice sweet bridge between consoles and windows gaming. But I’m not going to get the OLED model because I don’t think my gaming preferences work well with such display tech. I would be pissed off when part of my picross or rpg game burned in the screen 😅

Pfoe that PS portal looks ugly.
Now i am thinking about getting the Deck also. The screen was kinda holding me back a bit.

@Rika_Yoshitake They can claim to be a more "premium" device and they don't produce their own games exclusive to it. I think their main target is people who already have Steam accounts.
I already have a Switch and bought my GF Switch Lite, but Steam Deck is what I will likely prioritize over "Switch 2" when I have the funds. Simply because I have 400+ games on Steam already.

@Frailbay30 Even Sony forgot about the PSVita TBH. And it's OLED screen was a lot worse than the Switch OLED screen. Yes I know, I had one.

I may be tempted to pick one up next year, if it can play pretty much every new third party release as 30fps then it's definitely worth getting. Not too sure I like those touch pads though.

Makes sense to reference the Switch oled as the precursor since they're obviously after that market.

Of course the Vita had an oled screen.
But nobody had a Vita.

Interesting point - why hasn't Nintendo protected Switch better?

The good side is that we can now choose plethora of Switch ripoffs on the market

The downside is that it discourages further creativity in the market even more. What's the point of thinking of a revolutionary technology only for the competitors to steal it and make easy buck

@Rika_Yoshitake in what way are they "literally copying Nintendo"?

"Quantities are highly limited, and are only available in the United States and Canada." Bit of a nut kicker for us Brits

@N00BiSH The Vita's OLED is absolutely blinding unless you're in full sunlight, just because they did it first doesn't mean they did it right.

I own a deck but more and more I’m seeing games I’d like to play not supported, some saying minimal graphics settings don’t go low enough. For current owners probably not worth picking up, but for anyone considering a deck it’s a great proposition

How pathetic is this, I kept quiet when they just copied the idea of the switch, but now they are just blatantly copying Nintendo. They are painting themselves like some Chinese fake company that has no ideas of it's own. They should be embarrassed

@dew12333
Nintendo didn’t invent OLED screens, microSD storage or video output/dock function. The only new thing that Nintendo implemented were the detachable joycon controls - which the Steam Deck doesn’t have.

@dew12333 I'm gonna choose to believe your post is 100% sarcasm.

I’m somewhat interested, but some initial thoughts put me off:
1. The price. That’s a big chunk of money…
2. My Switch backlog. So many games to get through, should I really be adding more?
3. The Switch successor. If a Switch 2 release is around the corner that can potentially play more demanding games and gets even more third party support, do I really need a Steam Deck?

This will always be niche, and never any real threat to the Switch brand. also I do find it funny when the core slate the Switch and it's 720p screen, but then overlook the fact the Steam Deck also has a 720p screen, funny that.

@Frailbay30 it was so good that Sony had to remove it in later versions 😂

@Cero Never made a claim about it's quality. Just pointed out OLED isn't a Nintendo original idea.

By all means laugh it up.

@Xbox_Dashboard There it is, the major fly in the damned ointment. One of a few, anyway.

@roy130390 Brand loyalty sadly...

@CaptainCluck I know they didn't invent those things, however they did mainstream them into the gaming market. So another big company copying ideas just shows a major lack of innovation on their part.

@GooseLoose1 No, but I 'm certainly getting it from your message to me.

They completely missed the opportunity to go head to head with Asus and Lenovo by adding the new Z1 Extreme SoC into this OLED version.

With the larger/improved battery, they could have used the new Z1 Extreme SoC and have similar battery life than the old Steamdeck, but with greatly improved performance.

So why would anyone buy this Steamdeck, when they can get the new Lenovo Legion GO instead for similar price, with much better performance, 144Hz QHD+ screen and Z1 Extreme SoC.

@johnvboy
The screen is 800p on steam deck. It is an uncommon 16:10 aspect ratio, which was chosen to allow better emulation of games that output in 4:3.

@Frailbay30 but it’s an idea to use it to upgrade an already successful product.
The other one was just too unlucky to get even downgraded in the end

@dew12333 So you admit Nintendo didn't come up those ideas right? Then the only other word is is copy.

It's fine to admit Nintendo copies ideas themselves you know. They've been doing it for quite awhile.

@Rika_Yoshitake nobody does because Nintendo DOMINATES the industry!!

Do about 80% of my gaming on my Steam Deck now, it's possibly become my favorite console of all time. I'll almost certainly be getting this next year, although after reading the Digital Foundry review I'm trying to stop myself ordering it on the 16th.

@Imani The real magic of the Steam Deck isn't it's power (others far more powerful as you mention).. its in its amazing steam integration and over all UX. Everything just works so well, and if doesn't yet it soon will. It offers a legitimate console like level of polish and functionality with PCs high level of customization. It's astonishing.

@Sequel It really is amazing. I play most games on there now with my Switch as an exclusives/Tetris 99 machine.

It’s definitely not perfect, the worst part about it is not knowing whether future games are going to run well (if at all), sometimes you won’t even know until the day it launches. Overall though it’s a killer machine

@Bratwurst35 Everybody copies. But there are only a few who make it a success. The iPod wasn't the first MP3 player, but it was the first real successful one. The Switch isn't the first hybrid gaming console, but it's the first real successful one.

And honestly this has been happening for decades. Since the NES wasn't the first Game console, but it was the first real successful game console.

Valve is releasing this SteamDeck OLED because of the success of the Switch OLED, that is very clear. Nintendo didn't release the Switch OLED because of the success of the PS Vita (oled), because that one wasn't very successful.

@Bratwurst35 Pretty much everything is a copy of something. All companies can use each other ideas to create their own market, in their own way. Unlike steam deck that is following the same pattern as the switch. IN MY OPINION

@dew12333
Sony were first to mainstream with the PSP and Vita over 10 years ago. I wouldn't accuse Nintendo of a lack of innovation.

@Rika_Yoshitake Switch was not the first to use Oled.
Switch was not the first portable console.
Why are they copying?
Was not switch copying Vita then?

This is the only thing that the most expensive model was missing. I have always considered getting one, but there is also Asus Rog Ally to consider, the ergonomics and power seem nice and it runs Windows by default. It's not an easy decision.

Exactly what I've been waiting for!

@mlt
there were dozens of us!!

I just hope that Nintendo sticks with the OLED screen for the new Switch but rumours seem to all suggest it may be an LCD screen which would be disappointing tbh.

Things I would want from next Switch -

8 inch OLED screen
Better joy cons
Backward compatibility

Not much to ask but along with more power, that would do me fine and dandy!

@Rika_Yoshitake At this point, I can't tell if this is satire or not.

@CaptainCluck What are you referring to the devise that Sony bought in for competition of the handheld gaming market. I think the switch has enough unique ideas to separate itself from that device.

But if you don't think the deck is not following a similar pattern to the switch then that is your opinion and I respect that. I have stated that I think they have, I am not trying to change your opinion or push mine in your face.

@sanderev Yes, I know everyone copies. That's my point. Im not arguing what became successful or not. Im just pointing out copying has been a thing and Nintendo has done it themselves.

@Jeronan Lots of reasons to choose steam deck over legion go:

1. $100-$150 cheaper depending on storage
2. Considerably lighter in the hands
3. Better battery life generally
4. Even better efficiency with retro/2d games
5. SteamOS vs. Windows 11
6. OLED screen

AAA performance isn’t nothing, but it isn’t everything either.

@roy130390 I have a vita, switch oled and steam deck. I dont agree that people are claiming valve outright "copied" the switch but the Steam deck is vastly closer to the switch than the vita. The vita was a dedicated handheld, The switch and steam deck run AAA games on the go and are both hybrid systems. So the steam deck is not an outright copy of the switch but its the closest thing to it in the pc space.

Im excited for this. My steam deck is being repaired by valve and once it comes back im selling it and buying the steam deck oled. I dont play playstation or xbox, I only play Steam and Nintendo. and I have 500 games on steam and like at least 2/3 of my steam library works on steam os.

@Arcata The idea of Valve "copying" Nintendo is what's wrong here. People are pretending as if Nintendo invented everything first, and everyone else is copying them.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. And the praise does seem sincere. Steam is their main source of income anyway, so I don't think Valve have any ambitions of competing with Nintendo. Heck, they even released Portal on the Switch.

@GoshJosh Well I love the steam deck and the switch but Lets be honest here. Would the steam deck have existed if the switch did not come out?

@GoshJosh Also copying is not a bad thing. Look at Apple. I dont use them but they constantly copy android features and make them more appealing for the less tech savy normies. Thats not a bad thing you can copy something and innovate on how it works to.

I would buy this but I've already got a bunch of roms and third party stuff like Power tools that I don't feel like setting uo

Still, this looks cool and I might grab it later or wait to see what Deck 2 looks like after 2025. Hell, I'd be interested in a more powerful Steam Machine is Valve ever brought that back

The number of PS3/Xbox 360 era games I've revisited with high settings and 60 fps on my Steam Deck is quite astounding. Some of them I'm done with as they haven't aged that well, but others I will return to.

Even most of the PS4 (some of them also available on PS5) era games are running surprisingly well on the Steam Deck (Resident Evil Village is close to 60 fps with reasonably high settings and so is Elex for example).

Others like RE 4 remake are sadly not so well optimized and you have to turn down settings quite a lot (there's even a certain area that runs equally bad in both the main game and in the Ada DLC - don't know what it is other than bad optimizing).

All in all Steam Deck has been really good to me (approaching 650 hours of playtime in just over a year and a month); it really has saved my gaming a** this last year or so (but then again I can live without an OLED screen - I think LCD screens are looking just fine).

I love my Switch OLED. Has the OG Switch and upgraded on day 1 to OLED. It makes some games like Wolfenstein look like entirely new games. It's brilliant

It’s really funny to see people saying that Valve is now copying Nintendo. It’s an OLED screen. Nothing special; it has been on the market for ages 😂 Even if Nintendo didn’t release the Switch OLED, somebody else would’ve done so, even the Steam Deck.

The irony is that, sans the screen, the Switch can’t do even half of what the Steam Deck is capable of doing. The Steam Deck is a true portable PS4, with ray tracing to boot and a huge historic catalog of games. Call me when the Switch 2 does all of that.

Never got into the Steam Deck hype. The Switch is still my favorite modern handheld because it has a soul, an identity of its own. The Steam Deck just feels like a piece of tech, one that will be replaced the second something better comes along. That's cool if that's what you care about, but the Switch is just special to me.

@Arcata You are missing the point. Of course the Steam Deck is gonna be closer to the Switch, after all, the Vita is an older console but that's not really relevant. Also, it's not only the screen and form, it's stuff like including analog stick and other advances. Then the Game Boy devices precede those in many other ways, including the concept of a portable device. It's not about who came first, it's about them taking some concepts from others and implementing them and your question could be applied to the Switch too. Saying that yes, it would be what it is today without the others while not applying it to other consoles would be some clear bias. As I mentioned before, it's useless to care and involve on console wars and who copied as customers. It's a necessary aspect for them to constantly improve and a benefit for us. That's the point of the discussion, not which console is closer to the Steam Deck.

As for Vita being a "dedicated" device (not sure what you mean) and not running AAA games on the go it's not true. AAA games are those that are produced by mid or big publishers. There were many like Call of Duty: Declassified, Uncharted, Killzone, God of War, Resistance, Assassin's Creed, etc.

If you meant ports, it's also false: there's Borderlands 2, Metal Gear Collection HD, Sly Collection, Ratchet and Clank Collection, indies like Guacamelee, etc.

It's nowhere close to the library of the Switch but it doesn't change that.

@roy130390 Almost all those vita games you mentioned were dedicated handheld releases that did not come to other platforms right? Thats what im meaning about AAA. I dont think activision put the budget of Cod mw2 into COD Declassified. Thats like saying Metroid Prime Hunters on d.s was a AAA game. It was a mobile only game.

The vita is not a hybrid, yet both the steam deck and switch are hybrid console/pc.

But i think you understand me wrong im not apart of the "console wars" I love my steam deck and my switch. Im playing the new Yakuza on it right now and its amazing. However Its just clearly obvious that the steam deck was a pc copy of the switch. And im not saying thats a bad thing Im glad it happened. And after Steam deck copied Nintendo, Asus Copied Valves steamdeck with the AOG Ally.

Copying is good for the industry, not bad, but we gotta call a copy a copy lol.

@Arcata Yes, the Steam Deck would exist regardless of the Switch. Would it be as we know it now? Probably not. Things are being created, and innovated everyday with or without Nintendo's involvement.

The thing is, from what Im reading from these comments, is people seem to hate the idea of Nintendo copying anything. As if that's some big sin only other gaming companies commit.

Nintendo has copied ideas, and they will do so in the future. As you said copying is not bad, and that I agree. So it shouldn't be bad when N does it as well.

@Rika_Yoshitake LOL nobody else can ever use an OLED screen in their device because Switch did it first?? A they didn’t even do it first because PS Vita did. Why is Nintendo copying Sony??? 🥴

I'm perfectly fine with my current LCD Steam Deck, but for newcomers the OLED options are great.

@Arcata That's not what a AAA game means. As I explained, it's practically based on a mid to big budget and publisher. And no, Hunters isn't a "mobile only" game. You mean and exclusive, and yes, it was a DS exclusive which is a portable console. And yeah, it probably was AAA as long as it had a mid to big budget. Exclusives can and usually are AAA games. AAA games aren't always exclusives though.

As I told you, you are referring to ports (of AAA games), and yeah Vita also had those. Wether it's stuff that only came to PS3 like the Sly Cooper and Ratchet and Clank or stuff that came to more consoles like Borderlands 2. Again, size of library isn't relevant. They did stick with more ports from their own brand on PS3 but not exclusively and it's still a port as it's the same version and not a "dedicated one" as, let's say, the Spider-Man games that came on DS that were nothing like the console counterparts or the Killzone game on Vita.

And you are still missing the point. I'm not thinking you that you are a part of the console wars, I'm saying that the point of the conversation was to explain that they all copy from each other and that it's good (which you agree with). Not which console was closer to each other. Yeah, the Switch and Steam Deck are closer to each other, why would they take things from an older console? But the thing is that the Vita crawled so that the Switch could walk and it goes on and on. It doesn't matter what you want to call it, that's up to you and it's valid. Personally I wouldn't call it a copy.

@dew12333 Nothing is wrong with other companies developing handheld consoles that are similar to others. As long as they don't violate patents, etc, it is fine. No need to make a big deal of who is copying who.

Imo, more companies should make their own handheld console like the Switch, or something different but somewhat similar.

This is one of the ways how people innovate, they look at an existing product, and come up with ideas and ways to make it their own in their way, etc. It would either be better than the existing product or not, or something completely new, etc.

(Just imagine your argument is for laptops instead, now you would sound silly heheh.)

@Arcata “Almost all those vita games you mentioned were dedicated handheld releases that did not come to other platforms right? Thats what im meaning about AAA.”

Just because a game is system exclusive doesn’t make it AAA. Many console exclusive games end up being crap. For that, the games need to be from a very recognized dev, have a big budget, have high expectations to be a good game and sell millions of copies. Those Vita games you mentioned are spin-offs of the bigger budgeted games, made by a significantly smaller team with a more limited budget to low-key promote the bigger games from that series.

I love the Steam Deck, just as I love the Switch. The Switch is great for the exclusives and the Deck is great for my PC library and emulation.

@Quiet2down Well im not one of those who say nintendo never copies. I do think the industry copies them alot (which is usually good) But Nintendo copies others alot to. For instance Nintendo even admitted they only thought of an open world Zelda like breath of the wild after the success of skyrim, So if there was no skyrim there would probably be no btw.

@Savage_Joe Well what I mean is if a game is made for like a gba for example even if the same game is on gamecube and ps2. The gba version would not be considered AAA right? Same thing with a vita version vs a ps3 or 360 version of a game. And if its exclusive to it that still kind of applies. Especially for the mobile versions of games that they always used to have to make a different game entirely for the portable consoles compared to the pc and console versions of the same game.

I like how every time there is an article about the steam deck, the comment section is flooded lol. I am all for this as I love hybrid systems like the Switch and Steam Deck. More options for the consumers and they all have their strengths and weaknesses.

@sanderev More like they both copied the PS Vita, the first ever OLED display gaming handheld.

@roy130390 I dont think the Vita walked so the switch could run though. The vita is a dedicated portable console and the Switch is both a handheld and a home console, Which is the exact same concept the Steam Deck uses.

@shgamer I love playing gta4 on my steam deck its my favorite gta.

@Arcata The AAA tern is applied to the game itself. This means that even if said game is ported to a toaster oven, that version is still a AAA game. A spin-off, however, is not, unless it becomes massively successful on its own. An example of this is the Persona games, being a spinoff of SMT, became its own beast and a AAA series.

@Rainz @Rika_Yoshitake Switch was not the first to use Oled.
Switch was not the first portable console.
Why are they copying?
Was not switch copying Vita then?

@sanderev No, Nintendo copied Vita in case that was the first handheld console to have OLED.

@sanderev Is releasing OLED by the same reasons that Nintendo released it.
Because the OLED screen has good features, same as Vita.

@Arcata Dude, what you are referring to as "dedicated" doesn't make much sense. For example, you asked Savage Joe about a the "same" game made on a GBA and a GameCube. If you mean that they are literally the same game, as long as it really is the same game it is a port, despite of being downgraded like most Switch ports are. If you are just referring to having the same name like say, Spiderman Web of Shadows on the DS and the PS3, then that one is referring to what you call as a "dedicated" version as they are 2 different games with the same name. Killzone and Uncharted on Vita may not have the scale that the PS3 ones had and we're exclusively made for it, but they are still AAA games. By your logic, most Pokemon games aren't AAA because they are made exclusively for the Nintendo portable devices and that's not how it works. Vita had both exclusives and ports, so no, it's not a dedicated device. It just had a crappy library compared to the Switch because Sony gave up on it.

As for the Steam Deck and Switch being both "hybrid", I suppose that you refer to them connecting to the TV? Steam Deck is referred as a "hybrid" just because it also counts as a PC.

Even if the Switch became a hybrid console or the Vita being a "dedicated" device as you call it, that in no way negates that it added stuff from the Vita. That's the thing, they all add and improve things. You are free to think whatever you want in that regard though.

@kryz let it go. Some Nintendo fans are unarguable and will make you lose your sanity. Ignore/block them and move on

@Qwiff Exactly. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them continue to bring games to Switch/whatever its successor is, they know it’s a different market.

There was an interview on a podcast with someone from Valve around the time the Steam Deck was announced (Friends Per Second I think) and he heaped praise on the Switch but said the Deck isn’t out to compete with Nintendo, it’s for a completely different market. It’s more for people who already have a PC and giving them an option to take their games on the go as well as providing an avenue for people to get into Steam easily without building a PC.

@turntSNACO Only cheaper in the US/Canada, which, after more than 2 years are still the only two countries the Steam Deck is legally available for purchase.

It's not available here in Europe other than via grey import with limited to no warranty at almost double the price, so significantly more expensive than even the newly released Lenovo Legion GO.

Regardless of Nintendo not being the first to make a portable console with OLED, it was Nintendo that rendered it mainstream, hence Valve not acknowledging Vita. They were inspired by Nintendo and their success with the Switch.

@roy130390 Pokemon games on gba were not AAA Pokemon Games on Switch are much more expensive to make so they are AAA on switch. (even though the gba games were better but thats another discussion) And no the steam deck is not considered a hybrid for it being a pc its considered a hybrid because just like the switch, The steam deck can be docked into a tv. Thats why its called a hybrid. My steam deck is in the official valve made dock connected to my tv as we speak right next to my switch lol.

for example. the gba pokemon games had around 80 to 95 staff working on them. When they moved on from sprite based games to 3d games now around 500 people work on pokemon.

@Arcata There was a different standard to what was considered a big game in those days than what it is now. As for 80 to 95 staff members, that's a good size for a team then. Nowadays it's 100 or more staff for AAA games so even now they weren't far from those standards and they possibly qualified as AAA back then. I do agree that it's a different topic though.

I see, so it is indeed the TV thing.

@Jeronan "Similar price" was part of your question, but sure. You shouldn't buy an $1100 Steam Deck with no warranty instead of a $750 Legion Go. You asked why "anyone" would get a deck instead of a Legion Go despite the weaker chip, and I think I answered that.

I have both Switch OLED and a Steamdeck. This new Steamdeck updates are way to small for me to buy this new one.

@120frames-please Biologists are fairly confident the average human eye can’t detect anything beyond 70 or so frames per second. Anyone looking for 90 fps is asking for something thats literally indistinguishable.

@blindsquirrel One of the YouTube videos about the new OLED Deck talks about how awesome Dead Cells looks on the new screen running at 90fps. Lots of lightweight games can run at 90fps or higher, and will more responsive and beautiful for it.

@thesilverbrick Gamers have enjoyed frame rates above 100 for decades (there are awesome old CRTs that go up to 180fps, maybe higher). I didn't get to experience it until relatively recently because I've mostly stuck to consoles. I can say that I really enjoy the smoothness of 144fps. It's very noticeable to me.

@120frames-please
There is a large difference between running a game like Dead Cells at 90 fps and running a game like TOTK at 90 fps.

Apples to oranges

Sorry but the controls on that think are ridiculously unproportioned for anyone’s hands.

@blindsquirrel Didn't Valve just release a console that does all that for $550? Where did you get the $1000 figure? Nintendo can get a similarly specced console for less than $500. Probably even $400 if they really want to. And considering that the SoC rumoured for the Switch 2 sounds comparable to the Steam Deck's, that's probably a good point of comparison.

@thesilverbrick That is purely false. Eyes don't see "fps"; the more still images exist, the smoother the motion appears. While there is an argument to be made for what the upper bound for diminishing returns is, it's way above 60hz. There's a reason that all commercial displays are now getting higher refresh rates (TVs, smartphones, laptops, etc.) - people can notice it. The difference becomes less the higher the numbers go, but it exists.

@Parkour_LMan
That’s not what I’m talking about. The person I was responding to wanted the switch 2 to run games like TOTK at 120 fps in 4k. With the proof that it could be done affordable being Dead Cells running at 90 fps on the new Steam Deck.

But yes, Nintendos next system should be along the lines of at least the base Steam Deck in terms of power.

@blindsquirrel It can't really be 4K on a 720p display, can it? But TOTK might be able to run at 720p 90fps with the new hardware, if it's at least 3x as powerful as the original Switch, because it means drawing the same frames in 1/3 the time. It's certainly possible, though it depends on how fast they'll have the SoC run.

As for 4K, that will be completely impossible, but upscaling via DLSS could get there, or at least close to it. Nvidia has recently boasted about massively improving upscaling from 720p to 4K, so it could apply to the new console.

@Rika_Yoshitake Nintendo had a good idea with OLED screens. I don't think Valve is trying to steal Nintendo customers with a handheld PC marketed to adults.

@KryptoniteKrunch I love my Vita but the memory cards keep dying

Damn. I’ve only had my steam deck for about three months. Of course I didn’t have to pay for it…my company bought it for me 🤣

@kryz
I never said Nintendo invented OLED and stop acting like the Vita was the original everything it’s not even comparable to the Switch or Steam Deck. Nintendo has been an innovator in terms of offering multiple iterations of their portable consoles. Valve is taking cues from Nintendo, they’ve even been quoted as saying as such.

@Rainz The point is the Vita was the first handheld gaming system with an OLED display, but no one acknowledges it because the Vita didn't sell very well and didn't "pave the way" for the OLED being standard on handhelds.

@thesilverbrick That's not how that works. It's rendered frames on screen. There's a stark difference between 60 and 90FPS. It's how smooth the image looks in motion. This comparison is so stupid and doesn't make any sense.

@kryz Nintendo didn't copy the Vita. There was an 8 year release gap between the two and even Sony's second Vita system ditched the OLED as they were really expensive at the time. Sadly, it's a blip compared to the impact the Switch OLED made. I'm a diehard Vita fan (got one on launch day).

@nimnio They may as well credited Pioneer who put the first ever OLED display in a car stereo in 1997. Or how about Kodak who put the first OLED display in a consumer electronic in 2003.

I mean for FFS people it's a DISPLAY TECHNOLOGY.

@DdG1408 You've clearly never held one. It's one of the most ergonomic handhelds ever made. Way better than the Switch with the standard Joy-Cons (sorry they're uncomfortable and terrible). The Steam Deck just kind of melts into your hands and you forget about the controls. It's very well balanced weight wise too. A lot of thought went into the controls and hand-feel.

@blindsquirrel I would probably never ask for anything to run at 4k. I like smooth frame rates so much that I'm totally OK with 720p or even lower.

@BinaryMessiah The steam deck does feel very close to perfect in my hands. I also love the back buttons, they're just fun to idlely push, lol

@BinaryMessiah Years ago I was posting on nintendolife about how awesome the Vita OLED was/is. Beautiful screen!

@BinaryMessiah been there done that actually. The system is bulky and lacks many games on it and it is big and bulky. The controls are even worse than a PS controller is and are in no way at all ergonomic as you claim. The joysticks are located in very piss poor places. Switch beats it hands down and so does a laptop with a freaking Xbox controller and especially for the price.

@IceEarthGuard Hi, I think in a perfect world you may be correct, but I imagine a marketing department doing sums in order to see what to attach themselves to in order to steel some of that market from someone else. Then popping out to another department to ask them to make a switch, to which they will answer 'but we can't do that because of patent's'. 'Bah!, don't worry about that get a solicitor he tell you how we can get round that'. Then a short while later in a sales meeting 'sales numbers are dwindling, what are we going to do?', replied with 'just copy the switch thing again, get an oled screen. To which they all pat themselves on the back for that great innovation! Overall I would like to see real innovations and expect more from companies. But I am a cynical old git, and nintendo fanboy so a very blurred opinion.
I also thought of your analogy on laptops, couldn't help but think that was different market, but I certainly could see your point.

@blindsquirrel Some games on series x DO hit 120 frames per second. I've noticed it with games like Control, Alan Wake Remastered, and recently in No man's Sky while exploring solo. It's buttery smooth.

@DdG1408 It feels a lot more natural in your hands than it looks. I have small hands and the Deck is very comfortable to hold and control.

@Frailbay30 ...an OLED screen that they released first, then backed away from. It was 2011, waaaaay before its time. Nowadays an OLED makes sense. I don't think Nintendo looked at the Vita and said "okay we NEED to replicate this failed device!"
I do love my Vita. Just wish it had a larger library.

@Rainz Oh no, Valve is not taking anything from Nintendo.
OLED is an old technology that nintendo didn't invent at all.
Valve is doing exactly as Nintendo did, upgrading their hardware to give to the users the best experience.
The handheld consoles are there since long time ago, and switch is not doing anything new, even the joy-cons are not anything wonderful and they are useless are bugged as hell.
So Valve is not copying anything from Switch, oh no.

@Rainz Steam Deck is way superior to Nintendo Switch as switch is superior to Vita.
The hardware is in another league and the games that it can play and the performance as well.
Not even Nintendo was the first company to create a handheld console, Game Boy as many people asserts.
So OLED screens are used in phones and gamers mobiles and in other consoles.
But when nintendo add an old technology to their hardware all the next hardware that includes that old technology is copying Nintendo?
Nah make no sense, only for a blind and funboy nintendo person.

@BinaryMessiah I just said if Valve copied Nintendo then Nintendo copied Vita and we can continue like this forever.
There are sometimes when tech companies really invent something new and then other companies copy them.
But in the case of OLED technology, nintendo can't get the credits of that tech.
Specially when we have hundred of mobiles and mobiles specialized in gamers that already have OLED.
Nintendo switch is good, they have done a good job, specially being nintendo and having those unique games on it.
But didn't invent anything new with this model, yes with the 3d technology, was the first to have something like that, even was not so funny to play.

@kryz
Clearly you cannot read.