Topic: why no 3rd party support

http://playeressence.com/nintendo-is-3rd-party-publishers-wor...

i read this article and it makes a valid theory as to why nintendo doesn't recieve great 3rd party support.

i'm sure this isn't new to many of you but it is interesting nevertheless

Made some valid points, which struck a better chord with the previous generation of hardware and the Wii, but it does overlook the fact that the Wii U is under-powered compared to what its two rivals can produce. There's some truth to his theory there I think though.

Good points. It comes off too conspiracy theory, which he points out. Who doesn't love control over their product? Nintendo wants to keep control over their products as much as 3rd Parties do. Sony and Microsoft are moving towards a more open environment, like Smart Phones have, which isn't good for the industry. (just look at the Smart Phone market, it is even more money hungry that EA)

I don't understand on why this topic is brought up again cause we already discuss this already.

The article brings another point of view to light.

The article made some good points i'll give them that. And who ever made the article knows his stuff,and it's so true about the PS4, the xbox one and PS vita. Which if they didn't have third party support they would be done. But the thing that he said in the article that stucked with me is that third party support does not want to compete with nintendo's first party games, which they know it won't out sell them which is all so true.

@kereke12 Where have we talked about this topic?

I think much of it is kind of Silly.....Rockstar won't put GTA on a Nintendo console because they don't want to be outsold by Nintendo games? That doesn't make sense unless you are thinking they have some sort of ego involved.

The bottom line is money....no body gives a Flip.

If Nintendo sales of GTA were projected to be significant enough to make enough money to make the effort and cost of releasing a Nintendo version than they would do it. They wouldn't care if Mario outsold them.

Rockstar made a fully original GTA for the DS....if that was a smash hit we would have got more. I think its sales were lukewarm at best.

Meh... Don t really see his point, apart some cospiration fanboy theory... numbers say that 3rd parties don t sell... Probably is a mix between castrated versions and nintendo users "taste"

This... actually makes a lot of sense.

Quality is subjective but that’s the risk that 3rd party publishers must take if they make games for Nintendo consoles and most of them do not want to take that risk. Things are a little bit different with the PlayStation- and Xbox crowd. 3rd parties can get away with releasing an average-at-best video game on PS4 and Xbox One. PS4- and Xbox One fans will buy the game, especially if it’s a first person shooter with realistic graphics. Making games for PS4 and Xbox One is less risky for them.

Especially this part, let me blunt here: these observations are actually kind of right, While not all gamers on the PS4 and Xbone platform are like that, a good chunk of the vocal ones, especially on IGN and the like, are. Heck, I know a lot of people like that irl, especially since shooters are the big thing right now. Though I'm not quite sure about the quality average-at-best jab. But, if your game fails to sell on Nintendo console, quality must be an issue (or just being overlooked (cough cough most-Wii-titles cough cough)).

The part that is true is that Nintendo is the only console maker that can survive with weak 3rd party support because Sony and Microsoft got in to the console business.

Nintendo started out in the games business....they make hardware and software.

Its basically different business models and until the Wii U Nintendo was by far the more profitable even making money with N64 and Gamecube

It's totally true about how much power 3rd parties have. Microsoft and Sony only have a handful of exclusives that actually make a difference(Uncharted, Halo, Gears, Forza, etc.). Nintendo has far more exclusives, and most of them sell, for the most part, or at least they have. That is why Sony and Microsoft are reaching out for more exclusive games.

We've been saying that about online for a long time, too. It's also why Nintendo isn't as obligated to provide a subscription service that gives other values. You already save $50-60 on online that can be spent somewhere else, and the eShop has tons of deals as it is.

This is also why Activision will not sell games on the eShop. They can control demand and scale product awareness to better suit their intentions.

I wouldn't say everything in the article is for sure, but the bit about how having 3rd parties, 1st party, free online, and even more indies making it a very appealing console is totally true. I wouldn't say they don't want Nintendo to have that power, but they don't want Nintendo to have that power without them having their fair share. If they support Nintendo and Nintendo benefits from it more than than the 3rd parties do, there will be some bad mojo, so there definitely needs to be a balance on what all parties can and can't do.

Like say if Ubisoft was going to release a new Rayman game and had a release date announced and everything, then Nintendo said that Mario was going to come out at the same time. That would be a total jerk move. Nintendo knows the 3rd parties are important, so they are trying to appeal to them. How it affects us consumers is an entirely different subject.

So while I agree some of it has some truth, there's more to it still.

It depends.

PS4 software attach rate = 3.01 from a total of 10 million consoles
Wii U software attach rate = at least 6 from a total of 7 million consoles or so
Xbox One software attach rate = 2.61 from a total of around 5 million consoles or so

I can't find any numbers from recent enough, so I'm just figuring here. PS4's software attach ratio is the worst of all the 8th gen consoles, which means Wii U and Xbox One have currently made more money than PS4, in software to date.

Is there anything as bad as the Nintendo Web Framework stuff on the Xbone or PS4 ? (Even on mobile I wouldn't touch anything that was not tons better than any of that.)

@unrandomsam How is that even an argument ? The Web Framewroks engine is just one of many ways for devs to create their WiiU games with relative ease. The Xbo360 had the ability through their Indie games and believe me, there was tons and tons of utter crap on that service too.
But no one complained about it, since those games were a neat side dish.
Your complaint is just unreasonable.

Thanks for sharing this article, I found it very interesting.

Such as what? What was made using the Nintendo Web Framework engine that is so bad? Also how did that engine make those games bad?

Also about not touching anything that was not tons better than whatever on Smart Phones, that is kinda my point. How many releases are there on Smart Phones weekly and how many of those are note worthy, or even how many of those would you buy even for a dollar?

Actually they kinda do. Microsoft pays for early DLC releases on their platform, part of the money Mircrosoft gets from Subscriptions goes into paying for this. I think Sony does that with a lot of EA games too

They see enough money from those two other than the PSN/XBL money. MS and Sony are known to "bribe" their way into exclusive deals, or start shining the boots of major devs in the way, that they offer them a certain spotlight on their respective online shops.

Well YES, the entire enviroment is like a little bit chauvinist and been beated by Mario could be a hard pill to swallow.