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Ryno

I could barely get through a couple paragraphs of the article before I had to stop. I couldn't take it anymore. What rubbish.

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arnoldlayne83

Plus, why then 3rd parties were all on board (even EA) at WiiU launch?

The more i think, the more this article sounds like fanboysm rant to me..

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MsJubilee

@arnoldlayne83 Alot of third party said they were on board, like take two , deep silver and rockstar.And then what happen they left, just because they say they are going to do something.Does not mean their going to do it. And don't talk about EA they made like four games and then what they left and never came back.

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SCRAPPER392

So, GTA V only sold around 650,000 on PS3, in Japan. I guess that makes his point about 3rd parties selling less than Nintendo games being a concern pretty pointless, but most people didn't care about this guy's blog, anyway. It's only one region, but it shows that western 3rd parties aren't as appealing to Japan on it's most popular gaming device(3DS).

Maybe they would do better if they tried to appeal to the Japanese market for once.

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rezo2013

the reason of no 3rd party support is sony and microsoft are loosing money and nintendo is getting great support sony has 87% of going bankrupt so to keep the company alive they spend millions to these 3rd party companys to show only on the 2 consoles why no wii u because look at the great games that has come out so far mario kart 8 smash bros soon xenoblade whyy would people want a ps4 or xbox one? both companys are loosing money

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DualWielding

it doesn't receive third party support because the cost of porting the games to Wii U is more than developers stand to make so its not worth it

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TuVictus

Wasn't the whole first year of the Wii U intentionally kept barren so 3rd parties could have a time to shine? Or was that just an excuse for Nintendo defenders

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Punished_Boss_84

They aren't profitable, there is no conspiracy, bias, hatred or anything else towards Nintendo. It all comes back to money and profit.

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Samurai_Goroh

Yes, there is a conspiracy. It's the Illuminatti versus Nintendo.

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shingi_70

DefHalan wrote:

Good points. It comes off too conspiracy theory, which he points out. Who doesn't love control over their product? Nintendo wants to keep control over their products as much as 3rd Parties do. Sony and Microsoft are moving towards a more open environment, like Smart Phones have, which isn't good for the industry. (just look at the Smart Phone market, it is even more money hungry that EA)

I wouldn't say its a bad thing per say. While there something to be said for proper Validation I think the eshop, PSN, and XBLM being more open is a good thing in the long run. I know we can end up with somethings like the Letter which is a pretty terrible game, but on the flipside were seeing smaller games like Bockdrop U or sixty second shooter prime is a good thing.

Moderation is still needed however.

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Punished_Boss_84

Samurai_Goroh wrote:

Yes, there is a conspiracy. It's the Illuminatti versus Nintendo.

That's funny, I'd actually loled

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MikeLove

SCAR392 wrote:

So, GTA V only sold around 650,000 on PS3, in Japan. I guess that makes his point about 3rd parties selling less than Nintendo games being a concern pretty pointless, but most people didn't care about this guy's blog, anyway. It's only one region, but it shows that western 3rd parties aren't as appealing to Japan on it's most popular gaming device(3DS).

Maybe they would do better if they tried to appeal to the Japanese market for once.

It sold 650,000 in Japan, and another 30+ million worldwide. I'm sure Rockstar is very upset that only a small percentage of the billions of dollars they made from GTAV came from Japan, a historically xenophobic country that only supports and purchases products/companies produced by themselves.

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DefHalan

shingi_70 wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

Good points. It comes off too conspiracy theory, which he points out. Who doesn't love control over their product? Nintendo wants to keep control over their products as much as 3rd Parties do. Sony and Microsoft are moving towards a more open environment, like Smart Phones have, which isn't good for the industry. (just look at the Smart Phone market, it is even more money hungry that EA)

I wouldn't say its a bad thing per say. While there something to be said for proper Validation I think the eshop, PSN, and XBLM being more open is a good thing in the long run. I know we can end up with somethings like the Letter which is a pretty terrible game, but on the flipside were seeing smaller games like Bockdrop U or sixty second shooter prime is a good thing.

Moderation is still needed however.

We are getting Blockdrop U without being completely open. Nintendo seems open to the idea of allowing smaller indies to develop for their console while not allowing everyone. There is good and bad with both but over saturated markets are not good.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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blaisedinsd

DualWielding wrote:

it doesn't receive third party support because the cost of porting the games to Wii U is more than developers stand to make so its not worth it

Well that is pretty clearly the reality of it in my view...unless you want to believe the conspiracies laid out in the article.

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SCRAPPER392

@Beetlejuice
I know. I'm just saying that Japan obviously doesn't care about GTA as much as the rest of the world. My point was more that RockStar could probably make a game that appeals more to Japan that is not GTA, because 3DS is still dominating basically everything and that's a big market.

@Operative
I've never seen anyone say the game drought was a specific time frame for 3rd parties to do well on an otherwise barren system. I've seen people say that that was what 3rd parties should have done, but nothing like it was required or anything.

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TuVictus

SCAR392 wrote:

@Beetlejuice
I know. I'm just saying that Japan obviously doesn't care about GTA as much as the rest of the world. My point was more that RockStar could probably make a game that appeals more to Japan that is not GTA, because 3DS is still dominating basically everything and that's a big market.

@Operative
I've never seen anyone say the game drought was a specific time frame for 3rd parties to do well on an otherwise barren system. I've seen people say that that was what 3rd parties should have done, but nothing like it was required or anything.

Ah okay I see. Thank you

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LegatoSkyheart

It really is all about sales. This article is stupid.

Nintendo dropped the ball when they made the WiiU the way it is. If Nintendo made the WiiU something more like the PS4 or Xbox One it would have created a much better buzz than what it got back in 2012 and the WiiU would have been THE console to go to and probably would have gotten games like Farcry 3, Tomb Raider, Darksouls 2, and GTA V.

Instead WiiU got Bad Press and lack luster 3rd Party ports and poor support.

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SCRAPPER392

@LegatoSkyheart
It actually isn't all about sales, though. There are a ton of other factors, besides sales, that can affect the support of a console. Wii U being a new PowerPC console is an entirely different situation than Xbox One and PS4 being new x86 consoles, and that isn't a bad thing. Does it affect the type of support it has? Definitely, but Wii U being similar to Xbox One and PS4 in anyway would have done more harm than good. We can't have 3 consoles being really similar without the scope ultimately being limited.

Even if Wii U's support isn't as good, for the time being, it's actually a safe counter measure to have a different console than one that blends in with the others, which is why Microsoft and Sony are competing so hard right now. Add a hypothetical Nintendo platform in the exact same arena, and things are still not guaranteed to automatically play into their favor, despite popular belief.

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LegatoSkyheart

SCAR392 wrote:

@LegatoSkyheart
It actually isn't all about sales, though. There are a ton of other factors, besides sales, that can affect the support of a console. Wii U being a new PowerPC console is an entirely different situation than Xbox One and PS4 being new x86 consoles, and that isn't a bad thing. Does it affect the type of support it has? Definitely, but Wii U being similar to Xbox One and PS4 in anyway would have done more harm than good. We can't have 3 consoles being really similar without the scope ultimately being limited.

Even if Wii U's support isn't as good, for the time being, it's actually a safe counter measure to have a different console than one that blends in with the others, which is why Microsoft and Sony are competing so hard right now. Add a hypothetical Nintendo platform in the exact same arena, and things are still not guaranteed to automatically play into their favor, despite popular belief.

No see, if Nintendo had gotten the same specs as the Xbox One or the PS4, the one that would be left in the dust would be Xbox One. Look at what happened, The Xbox One actually got WORSE rep than the WiiU, The WiiU pretty much just confirmed disappointment with it's consumers that what we were getting was the Wii all over again (aka No Real 3rd Party Support and LOTS of Niche games with Nintendo Titles which so far has been somewhat true.)
IF WiiU was stronger it would have not only gotten better rep from Game Journalist and Gamers it would have easily been a lead console in the race with it getting a year head start, AND EA wouldn't have jump ship so easily, Titanfall wouldn't have been a Xbox One Marketing Giant, All of that Marketing would have been for WiiU instead if the WiiU had the correct specs to entice 3rd Party Devs and Gamers (remember pre 2012 EA was ALL for Nintendo).
WiiU would have gotten Farcry 3 as a Holiday item considering that game actually launched close to the system's launch date, so it would have easily pumped more blood into the system. Tomb Raider and Bioshock Infinite wouldn't have skipped the console and Neither would have Crisis 3 or Metro Last Light.

It all comes back to how Nintendo handled the WiiU with it's hardware. Nintendo should have hit a definite home run here. Instead they played WAY too safe and cheap to ultimately kill their brand. Now NO 3rd Party Developer wants to make games for their console, They rather go make games for a Console that has SOLD LESS than this one (the Xbox One) and STILL make the excuses of "The Install Base is too small" (like the Xbox One's isn't?)
What if I wanted to play Metal Gear Solid Ground Zeros on the WiiU? What if I wanted Castevania Lords of Shadow 2? What if I did want to buy the Mass Effect Trilogy again for WiiU? What If...you know what I mean? I bet loads of you would die for another FPS game, Heck we only have 3 on the WiiU. THREE. One that sucks, One that has mix reactions in it's community, and one that has Zombies. No I'm not talking about ZombiU, I was talking about Call of Duty BLOPs2, Ghosts, and that 007 game. ZombiU doesn't even have Online play, way to go Ubisoft.

in the end this is truly Nintendo's fault. They knew what they should have done and they didn't do it. The Hardware is more than capable of handling a lot of games as it has been shown before. Looking at games like Pikmin 3, Super Mario 3D World, Assassin's Creed IV, Call of Duty BLOPs2, and heck Need For Speed Most Wanted U and all shows us that the WiiU is more than capable of Running games like Tomb Raider, Borderlands, Skyrim, Grand Theft Auto, Dark Souls, etc...But what is keeping 3rd Parties from releasing these games?

US the gamers, What were some articles you saw when WiiU launched? Slow Load times, Bad Frame rate, Horrible Textures, Missing Details, Jaggies, and a horrible sin to Developers...Gamers NOT playing the Online Multiplayer (BLOPs 2 Online at Launch had about 500 or less people playing on WiiU and they were all on Team Deathmatch)...These words were poison to WiiU's launch and it has YET to be remedied. While Nintendo is doing a GREAT job of bringing the WiiU up with games like Mario Kart, Smash Bros, and Bayonetta 2, it's very doubtful that Nintendo will get 3rd Party back so soon.

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SCRAPPER392

@LegatoSkyheart
None of that even matters, dude. If you mean that Nintendo should have basically just made a x86 machine with similar specs, then you don't know Nintendo very well and are out of your mind. They have never just straight up used x86 as their hardware base.

Besides, if Nintendo would have wanted to directly compete with Sony and Microsft, they would STILL have to out spec them, because things would be too similar, and that would be way too expensive. All the consoles use a second screen, and not having a camera of some sort like Kinect and PS Camera would utterly detroy them with similar hardware. I don't think you realize what kind of situation having similar hardware would throw the Wii U into. You think having a $600 console to slightly outspec the PS4's graphics is a good idea? People are already complaining about $400 with 7th gen games as it is.

Not having those 3rd party games isn't even that big of a deal. 3rd parties could have pushed Wii U harder than they did, but why would they do that if an immediate jump to x86 was going to happen? We could have gotten games like 2K14 on Wii U in the form of 2K13. That was 3rd partys' fault. Wii U would have gotten a few games that Xbox One and PS4 didn't get, and by the time next rolled around, they would have automatically benefited from that. Competition wise, Nintendo absolutely made the right decision, because they kept a certain area to themselves instead of jumping into the same arena.

You can still play those games on your Xbox 360 and PS3. There are alot of cross gen games, even still. Specs is hardly a worry with all that taken into consideration. If you are really concerned so much about the specs, than you're not understanding anything, really.

EDIT: You're contradicting yourself. If you think Wii U is capable enough to run the games 3rd parties are releasing, that is the most obvious sign EVER that specs is not the issue, amd all those poorly optimized games are all 3rd party's fault. What a surprise! sarcasm

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