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CM30

61. Posted:

Maybe he means the 3D platformers where you explore large areas and look for shiny things like stars and jiggies. Think Super Mario 64, Super Mario Sunshine, Banjo Kazooie, Banjo Tooie, Donkey Kong 64, etc.

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62. Posted:

in my opinion if they brought out a game similar to mario 64 it would bomb. they cant just rehash ideas from the 90's because thats what we all love. it would get slammed in reviews and be regarded as lazy.
we need to see the innovation that galaxy brought but down a completely different avenue, i cant think of any examples but thats not my job so its ok.

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A Mario game that is challenging, yet not hair pulling. That is open world but not too sand box-y. A game that retains what made Galaxy legendary and what made Mario 64 revolutionary. A game that not only takes influences from its past but also looks towards the futureas well. A Mario game that is innovative, imaginative and grand as a Mario game should be. I want Nintendo to not hold back in any way, and throw us a few curve balls along the way. That would be a perfect 3D Mario U game for me.

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64. Posted:

Big_L91 wrote:

in my opinion if they brought out a game similar to mario 64 it would bomb. they cant just rehash ideas from the 90's because thats what we all love. it would get slammed in reviews and be regarded as lazy.
we need to see the innovation that galaxy brought but down a completely different avenue, i cant think of any examples but thats not my job so its ok.

^^^THIS we should all calm down and just have faith in EAD TOKYO the best game designer's in the world, i cant imagine what koizuimi is dreaming up, but that's why he is MARIO's new father and i aint.

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65. Posted:

When I want an open-world Mario game, I don't necessarily mean that I want something exactly like Super Mario 64. They can still think of something unique and still create big stages with plenty of exploration at the same time.

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66. Posted:

A Super Mario 64 2 isn't happening. Stop living in the past. I wouldn't mind it, but I would rather something else.

Personally, I think 3D Mario Wii U will be something fantastic! Hopefully it is 1080p X 30 FPS.

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67. Posted:

WebHead wrote:

Stop living in the past.

Tell that to Nintendo.

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68. Posted:

Bingo. They need to get over Super Mario Bros 3 already and accept that they made other good Mario games that they can take inspiration from.

As far as this new game goes, one thing I'd really like are new bosses. No Koopalings, no Boom Boom/Pom Pom, actual boss variety instead. That was good in the Galaxy games.

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69. Posted:

it reminds me of during the GCN era when every game had to force Mario Sunshine references down people's throats to make up for Mario Sunshine not being as well received as 64 (arguably same with Luigi's Mansion). And amusingly how most people stopped hating on those games when they stopped doing that. Mario Power Tennis is the first, and I think the only, game that I disliked exclusively because of how blatant this was.

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70. Posted:

kkslider5552000 wrote:

it reminds me of during the GCN era when every game had to force Mario Sunshine references down people's throats to make up for Mario Sunshine not being as well received as 64 (arguably same with Luigi's Mansion). And amusingly how most people stopped hating on those games when they stopped doing that. Mario Power Tennis is the first, and I think the only, game that I disliked exclusively because of how blatant this was.

To be fair, I don't think that was just a Mario Sunshine thing.

Back in the SNES days, Nintendo shoved Super Mario World references in everywhere. Like the educational games and Super Mario Kart (Donut Plains, Vanilla Lake, Choco Island, etc).

In the Nintendo 64 days, everything looked like and took inspiration from Mario 64. Mario Kart 64 used the same style, Mario Party used the same style and characters, Smash Bros used that version of Mario, etc.

In the Gamecube days, it was all Mario Sunshine and Luigi's Mansion references. Mario Kart Double Dash, Mario Party 4 and 5, Mario Power Tennis...

In the DS days, everything was based on Mario 64 DS. Like how Mario Kart DS had Tick Tock Clock and the Mario 64 DS bosses or how New Super Mario Bros used mini games, models and enemies from the game.

In the Wii era it was eventually all Mario Galaxy style. Not so much for Smash Bros, but definitely so for Mario Kart Wii and the like.

Nintendo always does this with their Mario spinoffs. Always. They'll probably start shoving in references to 3D Land and Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon soon enough...

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71. Posted:

CM30 hit it on the head. References to the latest Mario game, 2D or 3D, in Mario spin-offs is absolutely nothing new. Although, I admit that it would be cool seeing the Evershade Valley ghosts in a Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon-themed track in Mario Kart U, which is a possibility.

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72. Posted:

More than a possibility I'd say. In fact, I'd probably count on it happening some time soon.

They might even reference the game in the next Mario Party or Mario Golf or something too.

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73. Posted:

gavn64 wrote:

Guitardude7 wrote:

A Mario game that is challenging, yet not hair pulling. That is open world but not too sand box-y. A game that retains what made Galaxy legendary and what made Mario 64 revolutionary. A game that not only takes influences from its past but also looks towards the futureas well. A Mario game that is innovative, imaginative and grand as a Mario game should be. I want Nintendo to not hold back in any way, and throw us a few curve balls along the way. That would be a perfect 3D Mario U game for me.

You really dont know what you want do you?

Excuse me, but yes I do. I said it very clearly. In short I want a game that has BALANCE on all accounts. One that strives to go far and into new territory but hasn't forgetten where it came from. Mario games lack balance. They either experiment too much or not at all. Nintendo needs to balance their scales and try to make a game that hits a high note with everyone. One who wants a different game, one who wants a nostalgia trip, one who wants simplicity and one who wants challenge, Nintendo has to try to hit all of these notes in order to make the Mario series grow rather than keeping it in the same place its been for the past 4 years.

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MrGawain

74. Posted:

I would prefer a more traditional 3d area type game like Mario 64, I found Galaxy 1 & 2's camera made me feel quite ill as you ran round upside down and back to front.

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75. Posted:

WebHead wrote:

Hopefully it is 1080p X 30 FPS.

I'd prefer 720p at 60 frames per second if that's the best performance possible. A lower resolution irks me far less than a lower frame rate. Of course, 1080p at 60 frames per second would be ideal.

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76. Posted:

Galaxy's camera was quite divisive, but in terms of moving the genre forward and trying new things (a justifiable agenda when you have the credentials) is was worth a go. It's funny that we describe it as a camera, when it was a removal of a camera. I also felt my stomach flipping around, and a sense of slight disorientation from time to time.

Thing is… I think I liked it.

It was a very different feel to Sunshine with different merits, but on balance I enjoyed it. I enjoyed not having camera work as an in-game job, and as a result it felt like a more free-flowing Mario game.

Honestly, I'm absolutely stumped as to how they will top the Galaxy games in quality. In terms of what they will actually do to justify the series entry - I'd fully expect dual screen trickery.

Whether that's going to beat Galaxy is another question. What's great is that it is - apparently - not far off. That means HD Galaxies a year or 2 after. No way Nintendo will release those while Mario 3D U has sales momentum.

They will look spectacular.

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77. Posted:

I hope it is harder than 3D Land. I love 3D Land, but it is a little too easy for a 3D Mario. One of the things I liked about SMG2 was the difficulty. It was just right, not too hard but not too easy. So yeah, I hope for an SMG2 esque difficulty level.

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78. Posted:

@Innit
I think the camera system works very well in Super Mario Galaxy. The camera is the one thing Super Mario Sunshine did terribly wrong. There are parts of that game that are difficult only because you can't get a good angle on Mario. Mario shouldn't be about battling with a camera. The camera system ought to be as seamless as possible, and Super Mario Galaxy did a tremendously good job at that (I think it's even better in Super Mario Galaxy 2). Now the whole upside down thing is something that just came along with the whole gravity theme of the game. I'd be surprised if that made much of a return in the next Mario game.

As much as I love Super Mario Galaxy (it's certainly a top-class game), I think people overrate it by a bit. I don't think it will be as hard as people think for Nintendo to make an equally as well crafted game. Now they might not be able to come up with as good a twist to the mechanics as gravity alteration. That's the sort of creative thinking almost no one gets a reliable handle on (though I'd be surprised if Nintendo hasn't already thought of dozens of ideas for some time now). But Nintendo understands good game design tremendously well, and their track record with the 3D Mario games is incredible.

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79. Posted:

I am at total peace of mind knowing that the developers behind the Mario Galaxy games are handling this newest installment. The Galaxy games were amazing, but as some have mentioned I'd really dislike Galaxy 3 (Ok that's not completely true, if they manage to pull out new and interesting stuff it might work). As far as what I've heard, Nintendo has confirmed that they're going for something new and original, thus debunking any rumors or ideas regarding a new installment to the Galaxy series. Not to mention of course that they tend to start a whole new idea with every new console.

Personally, as long as the game is creative, original and enjoyable I'll be all for it. Even if it was set in a toilet. (Ok probably not).

If I had one wish though, it'd be that they go in the Super Mario Sunshine direction, meaning I'd really appreciate if they could set aside all the mindless critics and go for something new, introduce a whole new mechanic upon which the game is based, and give us a fun game that we will spend months playing over and over again. Which is admittedly what I did with Sunshine lmao.

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80. Posted:

So be honest: Do you guys expect this to be mind blowing like Galaxy? or something like 3D Land?

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