Topic: Why doesn’t Switch have achievements yet?

@NNGaming900 I never said they were for kids don't put words into my mouth their for a younger generation that needs validation for every little thing they do. Why do I play on a Nintendo system hmmmm because I like their games.

Grinding in an RPG isn't like an achievment you kinda have to grind and level up in an RPG it's part of the game. Getting a pat on the back for doing something that you should do doesn't need to be rewarded and neither should unnecessary stuff in game that doesn't have to do with a story/game play. Why do I need to go out of my way and jump a hundred times in one spot for 20 seconds in say GTA? Who am I proving myself too. Because I don't do some B.S. achievement I am less of a gamer then you??

As I said achievements are fine as long as they relate to the story, get one for the level when you beat it, get one for collecting all the collectibles, get one for a high score, that's fine. But getting one for pressing start??? Or some other superveloce thing that has nothing to do with the game.

@NNGaming900
The people here are fine. You get to know the people on here after awhile. Not many seem to truly get upset about anything, and it's a pretty close community. It's not like most video game forums, which is why I like it. So don't expect to come in and just flame people and feel like a boss, cuz that's not how we do things. There are plenty of people on here that are critical of the Switch and Nintendo, including me. Take that kind of thing to IGN or whatever if you want to get some purchase with it.

At the end of the day there's just something to be said for labels. I'm a geezer and have been gaming since the 80s, so achievements are still "new" for me on my other consoles/PC (Steam achievements lol). You had a good point when you brought up how grinding for levels in an RPG to obtain some sort of optional goal could be considered some form of "achievement" just without the label.

But when most people talk about modern achievements, they're talking about very visible accolades (hrm) on your account that anyone can see, usually along with some sort of point or ranking value.

As with most things, it also depends on the maker of the achievements. A lot of games have common-sense, stream-of-plot achievements that you just naturally get the further you get into the game. Some games, though, are just awful. Playing thousands of matches. Taking stupid deaths. Basically doing things that are either completely dumb and not even part of the story or encouraging playtimes that would never happen if not for achievement-chasers.

@Tasuki I think you are taking phases too literally, when I said “kiddies” I meant people a generation or 1 younger than you, the entitled millennials that need rewards for everything, much like myself. But if you like their games which are clearly aimed at a young audience then why are you acting like achievements would be the worst thing ever? If you’re going to be an older guy playing the likes of Mario and Zelda, I don’t see how you can bash the idea of achievements, you even said yourself that the people who grind achievements are younger guys, so how can you be against an idea of putting something that younger generations like on a console that is primarily aimed at younger generations?

Maybe levelling up isn’t the exact same but you cherry picked that point, what about the points I made about high scores and getting 100% on a game? Those are certainly no different. As for those ridiculous achievements you mention, they are pretty uncommon for the most part and even if they were in a game you enjoy, you don’t have to go for them just because they’re there. I actually agree with you in a way, a few achievements are very random but I’m actually struggling to think of one off the top of my head, in GTA there are ones that have you do a 20 second wheelie on a motorcycle or achieve a 6 star wanted level but those are ones I myself would consider fun as it’s a decent challenge that I wouldn’t have otherwise done or even thought of

@rallydefault I’m flaming people? How so? I was getting salty condescending responses just for asking about achievement support, if that doesn’t make people seem upset then I don’t know what does. 😂 I don’t see a problem with having a level or something on your profile should you want to show it, if you didn’t care for it you could just simply choose not to show or care for achievements like on other platforms. I’m sure there are plenty of chilled guys on the forum but there seem to be a few who defend the Switch and it’s games like their life depends on it, for example I had a thread explaining why I didn’t like BOTW as much as I do previous entries and wanted to know why people rate it so highly and there is a guy getting passive aggressive right away, every console has its fan boys though, that’s certainly nothing new

@NNGaming900 It's not that I am against I feel people put too much value in them. The satisfaction in playing a game should come in finishing it not doing a wheelie on a bike for six seconds. That and as I said earlier developers tend to use them to inflate game time. When a developer or someone says over 100 hour game I expect that to be story not 20 hours of story and then multiple playthroughs to get an achievement. For example some games give an achievement for beating the game on each level of difficulty in actually the game is only 20 hours long but they devs claim it's a 100 hour game cause they count 20 hours for 5 difficult levels to get each achievment which is misleading. As for having an icon or something to represent an achievement why is it needed?? Do your friends think less of you if they have more achievements then you? Are you more a gamer then me because I beat a games story but didn't get an achievement for reloading my gun 2 times in each mission?

LOL 😆
I didn't even talk about games sequel or something like that.
I told to you that i didn't need Trophies or Achievements because it was like a Notification after doing something.
It didn't give me anything (Infinite money, Infinite HP, Super Modding, Discount 50% for every eshop purchase if i can 100% for one game, etc) so why should i care with Trophies ?

@Tasuki Debateably, there’s people who play games just to hunt for achievements but if that’s what they enjoy then who cares? The satisfaction does come from playing the game, but fun challenges like that add to the experience and even give you a little digital points reward to go along with it. I myself only grind achievements for my favourite games, which is why I’d like them for the Switch, getting a full Pokédex would be even more satisfying with a nice achievement to go along with it. I actually avoid games that are insanely long (50+ hours story) for the most part as it’s a massive bore fest to me, there are a few exceptions but for the most part they tend to be very repetitive and tedious before long. Quality over quantity, I’d much rather a 5-20 hour game with a achievements should I choose to go for them. Unlocking something like little avatar pictures aren’t needed and was just an idea but would be something they can add for more verity instead of everyone having the same few to choose from.

You keep asking me if I think you’d be less of a gamer if I had more achievements than you which makes it clear as day that the validation thing you brought up is on you, you feel like people would see you as inferior to them if you had less achievement score, you can’t honestly be that insecure? But answer your question of course I wouldn’t be judgemental on you if you had less achievements, that would be an extremely childish mentality, it’s like how some toddlers and infants would say “my dad is bigger than your dad”

@Anti-Matter What are you talking about? That was clearly an analogy lol, you said that you don’t need achievements as if it’s the sole reason that the Switch doesn’t have them. If you don’t need them that’s cool, no one does need them, but all you have to do is look at the other platforms to see that many people enjoy them

@Anti-Matter Actually Up Until Last November You Used To Be Able To Earn Points By Reaching Certain Trophy Milestones That You Could Then Use To Buy Things Like TV's Video Games Or PSN Credit.

@NNGaming900 Exactly so if they are childish then why do you need them. I don't need them as I stated before but you're the one asking for them. If they give you some sort of accomplishment then do them yourself. Like make a goal for example say hey I am going to best level 1-1 in 5 minutes or less. Or as you said I am going to fill up my pokadex and do it. Why do you need something to pop up on screen and say you did it. You know you did it that's all that matters. If you want to show your friends all you have to do is show them hey look I filled up my pokadex.

I think there's 2 parts to this:

1. Nintendo probably thinks achievements are a fad - See how Nintendo approached BotW for example, when getting all the Korok seeds you get golden poop as a reward.

2. Nintendo's online infrastructure probably isn't good enough for a system wide achievement setup to happen even if they wanted to - Look at the other features like voice chat requires a mobile app and is limited to certain games, there's a feature to invite friends to matches but only supports like 1 game, etc.

Plenty of games have internal achievements, though. Astral Chain comes to mind. There's a mind-boggling list there.

Also, Into the Breach, though I'm not sure if those counts as achievements, really. They're in-game challenges, where you're pushed to complete the game in different ways for unlocks. It works very well. It's a marvelous game.

I'm surprised in 2020 people talk about achievements like their existence or lack thereof has an actual impact on the quality of borderline any video game. I mean, its sometimes a decent excuse to do more things in a game, despite being pointless, but they're still just an excuse. And one that individuals devs can put in their game without needing a universal required achievement system for every game release on a system. And the best example are specific in-game ones that give you things for doing them, since those actually then have a point.

I think that is an ingenious case against "achievements". I can see myself enjoying fetching the Korok seeds, but I am also perfectly content in leaving it be. I think collecting 9,999,999 coins in New Super Mario Bros. 2 has put me off from chasing such stupid "goals".

It seems that those screaming the loudest for "achievements" are those who have little else to show for themselves and feel some sense of accomplishment in boasting how much of their lives they have wasted pursuing menial tasks in a video game, which is quite pathetic.

A hobby should be enjoyable, not laborious, and the general nature of those who love achievements, in my experience anyway, tend to be petty and compulsive types (a specific friend of mine springs to mind, who I love no less, but I just wish they would aspire for something more).

As a gamer who's been at the hobby since it basically began i say what's the point? What so you can hear that ping that says YOU PRESSED START! A winner is you! Gamers these days. Look grandma i beat the boss! I deserve a medal! I wouldn't be against it but i wouldn't care either. Besides some games on switch do have achievements. I was just playing Devil may cry on switch and got one for finding a secret stage.

What happened to the good old days when doing well in a game was rewarded with unlockables? Oh that's right they call that DLC now.😒

The same with cheat codes. Piggish publishers now expect players to PAY for them. -.-

@Silly_G
yep. Sucks when a game already costs upwards of 60 dollars and by the time you buy all the dlc you've spent nearly 100 on it.

It would be easy with a Nintendo account.

@NNGaming900
I never said you were flaming people.

If Nintendo ever bring achievements to Switch or its successor, I hope that they add the ability to completely disable them for the system. Achievements actually reduce my enjoyment of games because I often get into a situation where I am grinding achievements instead of enjoying the game. A lot of achievements are worthless anyway and get shoehorned in.

For anyone saying just ignore them, I would respond that I find that difficult to do. Slight OCD I suppose. Just make it completely optional and everyone is happy. If they bring achievements I don’t want to be staring at a half completed achievements list for a game I’m ‘done’ with.