Topic: Why doesn’t Switch have achievements yet?

@Tasuki Not at all what I said, I said judging people on their lack of achievements would be an extremely childish mindset, not the achievements themselves. I already have filled up the Pokédex but again like I said, having achievements would make it even more satisfying and worthwhile. If you’re obsessive over the fact that people would judge how much of a gamer you are based on your achievements or lack of then that’s down to your own insecurity

“So don't expect to come in and just flame people and feel like a boss, cuz that's not how we do things.” If you aren’t implying I was then why would you say that?

Why would you be staring at half completed achievements if had absolutely no interest in going for them? Surely if they did add achievements and you weren’t a fan of them, the last thing you’d want to do is start looking through them

Correction, my gamerscore is 158,502. HobbitGamer.

Some people want achievements, some are ambivalent, some are opposed. This isn't new. But resorting to opinions about age and maturity, validation and self-esteem, doesn't tend to move the opinion scale at all.

I think we can all agree we're good here.

@HobbitGamer Lol it does seem pretty silly the whole “back in my day we didn’t have achievements” or “if you need achievements then you need validation”. I just don’t see how a feature like achievement support that can be used by people who enjoy it and ignored by those who don’t be such a bad thing and something that people can get upset over

@NNGaming900 I don't completely agree with the validation thing, but a gamer score card IS connected to online bragging rights, there's no denying that. The same does count to some extent for completing a game 100% or getting the highest score, but what I've been trying to tell you multiple times now is that the BIG difference is that these two examples are already in the game to begin with, and achievements are an additional feature. (edit: and you DEFINITELY also can't deny that there's literally a truckload of achievements that either make no sense, are no intrinsic part of a game's story or are even actual achievements to begin with. For example: completing a tutorial is NOT an achievement, so it's nothing to brag about or get awarded with points for, and yet it does happen in quite a few games... )

So, yeah, to answer your question: I was usually happy with being able to improve my high scores, or get them in the first place, but again: those are mechanics already in the game, so they are an intrinsic part of the game itself. And besides that, as many others have also tried to explain to you, getting that high score or improving upon that, was for myself, not about having a score card to boast about against others.

Even if I had friends over, I never showed them all the games I got high scores or completed levels on. We just played what we liked, without worrying or fussing over such relatively trivial things.

What about that is so difficult for you to understand? No offense, but if you ask people to come in and join the conversation, and all you do is either counter, ridicule or combat their opinion on the matter, while never even considering the possibility that some of what they say might just be a valid argument, then I don't know what else to tell you, because it kinda makes it look like you're saying that your opinion is the only correct one.

Also, the Switch is definitely NOT a system aimed at younger people. If by that you're referring to the whole "Nintendo is for kiddies" trope, then you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Nintendo is and has always been about the family. Getting EVERYONE involved in gaming, and the same is true for the Switch.

Look, in the end, all I can say is that I agree to disagree on the validity and benefits of achievements, but if people want them and they put them in, then I'm okay with that, because it'll just be an option, so as long as I can either turn them off or ignore them, then that's fine by me.

@Octane "Untitled" says enough?

@ThanosReXXX You have to fix your browser

@Octane
I cannot see the image too.

All I want is an option to use it or not if they bring it over. It matters to me. Options are good because it keeps everyone happy. Simple really

@NNGaming900

It better work now.

@Octane It works alright, but I'm wondering what you're trying to say with it, because it could mean anything, like no achievements but still sold that many, or could have sold WAY more if they had achievements, or that Nintendo is outside of the main competitor line... (which they pretty much are, because they're always doing their own thing anyway)

Oh, and I use Firefox, the best browser there is, so I don't need fixing...

@ThanosReXXX You don’t completely agree with the validation thing, aren’t you the one that first brought it up when you spoke about how it’s just a representation if self worth? 😂 And if you believe it’s about bragging rights you’d also believe that there’s no one who just plays the games on a certain platform on their own who choose to go for achievements? Because I can assure you there are many. Yes there will be some who see it as a competition with their friends but who cares, why would that bother you the way other people treat certain things? You also speak about not considering the others point of view yet when you’re doing the EXACT same thing yourself lol. Like I said, if they were to be added then everyone is a winner, those who want them get them and those who don’t can ignore them, how can you dismiss that point when it would have no affect on you?

As for the difference between high scores and achievements, there isn’t any. Whether it’s implemented in the games menu or on an achievements list, it is still achievements for the game and some games actually share both in game achievements with trophies/achievements themselves. I think the reason you are seeing them as such different things is because back in your day you didn’t have them, that’s the only difference.You also even pointed out how you were happy yourself with getting heigh scores ect and didn’t show your friends, but just because there would be a separate list for achievements that automatically makes it about bragging rights and self worth? Lol come on now.

I’m not exactly “countering” any argument, I’m just discussing and giving my thoughts. Also if you go back and read the OP and title I asked why it doesn’t achievements yet and if people think we will ever get them, I didn’t ask if people would want achievements or not. Bashing achievements and saying why they are silly to you doesn’t exactly answer why they’re not on the Switch yet, especially since all other platforms have them. Nintendo consoles are often about games with the family (especially with the Wii), but they also have pretty much always been aimed at a younger audiences, their main mascot is Mario, you can’t really tell me that Mario games are AIMED at all ages.

If you were with them being added why did you go on multiple rants about why they are silly and shouldn’t be added? You’ve backtracked quite a bit in this one.

Ultimately, though, as I have said, @NNGaming900 .... We don't know why Nintendo chose to not include achievements or trophies. They haven't said anything about them, either, so it seems unlikely they'd introduce them anytime soon but you'd really need to ask them directly for a definite answer

@NNGaming900
"why it doesn’t have achievements yet ?"

My short answer : I dunno. 😕
Ask Nintendo HQ for the best answer.

I don't understand what do you want by making this thread.
A lot of peoples here already said Achievements and Trophies were not needed on Nintendo Switch since some peoples didn't care or like to completing their games 100% or hunting for highest score ever.
Those were the answers for your question.
And if peoples didn't care with the trophies, why did you felt disagree ?

@NNGaming900 I'm not ranting, that's how you apparently see my comments. I'm just a bit tired of constantly having to reiterate my valid points and/or disappointed concerning your apparent inability or unwillingness to at least consider any of the things we bring to the discussion. Discussing things should be a two-way street, not just "well, this is my opinion, and I don't care what any of you say, because you're all wrong".

You say you're not countering any argument, and maybe you truly think that you aren't, but regardless of all the points that me and plenty of others have brought up, I haven't seen a single shred of evidence that you can at the very least understand or relate to any of those points, or see why we mention them, instead just sticking to your own idea that achievements are a good or even great thing to have.

I also have no idea how you are interpreting my replies to you, because I'm constantly trying to be as clear and also as polite and calm as I can possibly be, and what I get in return reeks of ridicule, anger and/or annoyance, while you were a LOT more relaxed in the beginning of this thread, even apologizing to us, even though that wasn't necessary. How about acting a bit more laid back instead? We don't have to be attacking each other in any way, regardless of any difference of opinion.

As for the validation comment: I personally never mentioned that. I just jokingly referred to the gamer card as a digital representation of self-worth. @Tasuki mentioned validation and the rest. I just agreed with him for the most part.

And I'm not backtracking, because I'm still pretty clearly sticking to my points about achievements. And I'm not bashing ALL of them, I'm just saying that there's plenty of proof towards totally ridiculous achievements, and there is, that's something that's quite easily proved. There's even entire websites and YouTube videos dedicated to ridiculous achievements/trophies.

And besides that, they don't add anything for me personally. That doesn't mean that others can't enjoy them, so if they do, then that's fine by me, but I don't really need them to enjoy my games, or to find more replay value in them. And that's what I've been saying all along.

I also already answered the original question on page 2, in case you overlooked that:

So, to come back to the original question of this thread: why doesn't the Switch have achievements yet?

Well, probably because Nintendo themselves also recognize this point that you don't need an extra points counter bolted on to make a game better or provide more longevity. That can just as easily be achieved by making the game itself better and/or more addictive, so you'll want to keep playing regardless.

And for some weird reason, you still don't understand the difference between a high score and an achievement score. I'll mention it one last time: even in modern games, high scores and points, coins, kill shots, stars, or whatever kind of item list tallies are ALREADY IN THE GAME. An achievement only adds a SEPARATE points value ON TOP OF THAT, meaning that it's an ADDED extra and regardless of how stubbornly you want to continue to believe that, NOT an INTRINSIC PART of a game.

Heck, even most developers will acknowledge that, because whenever they mention achievements or trophies, they will mention nine out of ten times having added them AFTER a game was completed, so basically an add-on, while all the other things I mentioned will already be in the game itself.

And yes, the gamer tag and the connected points list, most definitely IS for online bragging rights. I'm not saying you must make use of it, or that all achievement hunters are braggers, but ask yourself this: if it isn't for online comparing/bragging, then why are these gamer tags and their scores posted and viewable online for all friends and other gamers to see? And then there's also the online walls of fame and such, all mentioning those achievements, also for all to see.

So, yeah... I rest my case. It's pretty clear to me anyways.

@BruceCM @Anti-Matter So if you both have no ideas as to why they don’t have achievements yet, as well as no interest at all in achievements, why even bother clicking on this thread at all, let alone commenting on it. But thanks for the pro tip. The fact that a huge percentage of people do care about achievements on other platforms (either hardcore or casually) should be enough proof that people would also care about them for the Switch, that is more of an accurate representation than a handful of responses to a forum post who claim they wouldn’t want them. But thanks for the advice, I’ll be sure to ask Nintendo themselves why they don’t yet have achievements xo

Because you're asking here, @NNGaming900 .... I never said that nobody cared about achievements? It was possible you thought the forums are run officially by Nintendo or something. In fact, I've said that I don't mind them!

@NNGaming900
When you made a question thread, expect the three kinds of answers: Yes or No or I dunno.

Some users answered trophies were needed on Nintendo Switch.
Some users answered they didn't need trophies / achievements on Switch and no interest to care about.
Some users answered I dunno.

You made the question.
I answered your question.
I said i didn't need trophies nor even care.
Then you replied to me why did i answered your question if i have no interest with trophies.
That was my answer, my opinion.
What's wrong with that?

Eh, it's the same to anyone expressing any opinion here, @Anti-Matter .... It's a bit of a loaded question, with the 'yet' on the end, implying Switch should have them by now Then, I've tried to be reasonable & not said anything against achievements, like some have but I still get the same responses Not offended, just don't get what the OP is hoping for here!