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Knuckles-Fajita

Interesting tto note we are havingg discussions about why we shouldnt be paying for online a whopping 17 months aftter they said we would be paying.

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kobashi100

No PES 2019 on switch guys.

Really don't understand konami.

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Scrummer

If VC isn't coming to Switch, I really hope they have a greater variety of the games you can play with the online service, and not just NES games.

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Knuckles-Fajita

Konami never ceases to amaze me. You make a game for the system that becomes a million seller, the system sells near 18 million units already, and you're like, nah, we good.

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Galarian_Lassie

South Park is at #10 on the US EShop while South Park is at #11 on the UK EShop same as it was yesterday.

Where am I going! Nowhere, unless if I say otherwise!

NEStalgia

@Therad "imposing a tax on other devs to fund your own development, just because you are a platform holder" Is that not, and hasn't it always been, the point of being a platform holder? Why own a platform and build it from the ground if you're not doing that. Might as well just make games for general purpose computing devices otherwise.

What I fear is the coming subscription wave across publishers, starting with what emerged on XBox. You pay for Gold. You can pay for Game Pass, MS games + a selection of other games. Then on top of that you can pay for EA Play to play EA games. No doubt in the future then you can pay for UPlayLive, and 2KLive, and THQ Live, and Square-Enix: For the Games: Revision of Value: Second Try. and before you know it it's $180/mo in subs for every publisher's content, and we've successfully turned gaming into Big Cable.

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FragRed

@kobashi100 @YummyHappyPills There are people in Mensa who have been trying to understand Konami, and they've all had nose bleeds and migraines for weeks. Einstein had an easier time working out the formula for E=MC2 than understanding Konami. Sometimes you just have to accept that some things man is never going to be able to answer.

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ilikeike

For the record, I want to make this clear. I do NOT think that the current selection of NES titles in the Online Service is worth the price of admission. If Nintendo was going to focus solely on one console, basically any other Nintendo console would have been better than the NES.

But the general concept of gaining access to classic games through a yearly subscription service is fantastic, and a great improvement over the old fixed prices of VC. If we start getting SNES, N64, or GC games then it'll be a truly fantastic service. It just seems like we'll have to wait for that.

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Alber-san

Nintendo didn't even say they aren't going to sell retro games. They said they're dropping the virtual console banner. What's all this drama about no more retro games?

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Knuckles-Fajita

@Alber-san People only read headlines.

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Saw a dream that Switch was Nintendo's last game console, there was that "time to move on" thing. We'll see how that turns out.

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subpopz

@Alber-san It's the internet, people overreact and blow things up. Somehow, to some, Nintendo dropping the Virtual Console brand name means they will never again sell any other retro titles at all in any shape of form.

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Ralizah

In fairness, Nintendo invites this kind of alarmism by not immediately revealing plans for a replacement service. We know there'll be NES games offered through the online service, but that's it.

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Alber-san

@Ralizah
Yeah but using that logic Nintendo is never going to release a new Animal Crossing on Switch because they haven't announced it, and their last two games have been a party game and a mobile game. People just like to find any possible thing to complain about Nintendo.

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Knuckles-Fajita

They are held to weird different standards.

Either things will be fine. Just remember the headline isn't the entire story.

Hell, I'll give you a perfect example: "Girl has leg reattached backwards after cancer surgery"

You all thought the same thing: They made a mistake, right?

Wrong: Read the actual story and it says: [strong]"Amelia Eldred from Tamworth, in Staffordshire, was diagnosed with bone cancer in her left leg last year and had surgery to amputate the limb.
A rare procedure called rotationplasty was used by doctors at Royal Orthopaedic Hospital, in Birmingham, to reattach the lower part of the leg backwards to allow the ankle joint to work as a knee joint."[/strong]

And this is why the headline "No Virtual Console" is a misleading thing.

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Ryu_Niiyama

@Ralizah but that doesn't mean that there are no other retro games access (and you still have access to the prior VC and the mini systems) people are making illogical leaps that A =WTFBBQ and it is silly. We even have Hamster showing an easy alternative to the VC so it isn't like there are no retro games on switch and thus we can try to reach for the assumption that losing VC means losing retro games.

Also VC wasn't the only offering even on wii and wiiu, other companies still did collections (plus VC was full of holes- due to licensing so I do understand) but it was never a full, comprehensive solution from the start. There are very few games that were offered on VC that you couldn't get in some other fashion.

It is needless panic because people hear what they want to instead of what Nintendo actually said.

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JaxonH

Can't speak for everyone, but personally the issue isn't because I believe no VC = no retro games sold ever again. Of course they'll still sell retro games through various means.

The issue is there won't be nearly as many games, there won't be nearly as many platforms represented, there will overall be 5-10% of the selection, with entire systems being skipped and ignored outright. Forget N64 and GameCube. That's not happening now.

We'll be lucky just to see a few SNES games, and those that do potentially come will likely be limited to those with MP capabilities for the Online Classics range.

Nobody thinks this means no retro games. But anyone who thinks no VC has no bearing on the variety, quantity and platforms offered... isn't being real about the situation.

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subpopz

StuTwo wrote:

The real beauty of the “NESflix” model is that it makes it viable to pop in and out of games with marginal value. Like I’d struggle to justify paying anything for Dr Mario on Switch but if it’s included in a broader subscription that I’m getting for other purposes then I might play it.

This is my take away from it. I see it as a good thing, especially with NES games. So many of them are just not worth buying, but fun enough to jump in and out of when available in a broader subscription.

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subpopz

JaxonH wrote:

The issue is there won't be nearly as many games, there won't be nearly as many platforms represented, there will overall be 5-10% of the selection, with entire systems being skipped and ignored outright. Forget N64 and GameCube. That's not happening now.

Why is this the assumption? Have they outright said this?
The quote is "There are currently no plans to bring classic games together under the Virtual Console banner"
It just says not under the VC brand name. This doesn't even imply they aren't going to have a subscription add-on for other systems (like Hulu does for HBO and Showtime) or sell them in collections a la Mega Man Collection or under some new banner (perhaps one for each system?). What is the 5-10% based on? The number 20 that we know is for sure?
Unless this stuff has been said, it's really just assumption that we're going on when in reality all they have said is the VC banner is no more and some NES games are being enhanced for the sub. Nothing else.
They refused to comment on other systems, which if anything for Nintendo, means something is planned but they're not ready to talk about it yet. Refusing to comment does not mean "no, not ever so forget about it".
I'm not saying you're wrong or right, just the truth seems to be that we just don't know the whole story of their plans and the overreaction at this point is ludicrous because I think people are taking a big leap for taking silence as meaning "no, not ever".
Granted, Nintendo doesn't help it by being so tight-lipped about everything. They keep the most ridiculous things secret, like the online plan itself. There were no big secrets or huge reveals. It was really unnecessary to keep it so secret for so long, but given that's how they've operated since forever, I err to the side of them still keeping secrets about their retro archive.

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