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Topic: 3DS processsing power. How close to the wii can it get.

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McGruber

41. Posted:

You guys think the 3DS is on par with the ps3 and 360 graphically. I'm sorry guys but I am not seeing this. The comparisons don't even look on par with the wii. The 3DS looks like it doesn't have as many polygons and has a lot of jagged edges. Definitely does not look on par with the graphics of the Wii, and I highly doubt much changes with the 3D effect turned on. Still can't wait to get it and I will be more than happy with it's graphics.

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Lionsgate wrote:

You guys think the 3DS is on par with the ps3 and 360 graphically. I'm sorry guys but I am not seeing this. The comparisons don't even look on par with the wii. The 3DS looks like it doesn't have as many polygons and has a lot of jagged edges. Definitely does not look on par with the graphics of the Wii, and I highly doubt much changes with the 3D effect turned on. Still can't wait to get it and I will be more than happy with it's graphics.

Yeah, keep saying its close to a GCN or PS2 than the current generations.

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eripmav

43. Posted:

You got to remember also that in screenshots, you're not getting the full detailing of the graphics. Graphics will always look worse unless they're touched up, given FSAA, AA X* etc etc.

Let's face it, if it's as powerful as the Wii or slightly more so, we'll all be happy. Considering it's capable of running an incarnation of the RE5 engine is pretty damned amazing.

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44. Posted:

Polygon power wise, of course it's not on par with the 360/PS3....Again it's the incredible shaders that has everybody fooled. Yet with RE Revelations and MGS Snake eater 3D it definitly looks on par with the Wii Polygon wise and maybe even better. Kid Icarus Uprising, Mario Kart 3D, and most of the other titles look PS2/GCN-ish with super sparky gorgeous shaders/lighting to make them appear more impressive than they actually are, it's a nice little awesome illusion NIntendo has created to make up for the lack of polygon power, yet which is also impressive for a handheld. All wrapped up on a small high res screen with 3D effects is the crazy ultra insane icing on the cake. But really, screenshots don't do the graphics justice and will always look better in person, so take that in to mind.

Yet what kind of bugs me is that apperantly you're supposed to keep the 3DS 1 foot and a half away from your face to 2 feet. Honestly, when my play my DS Lite it's less than 1 foot away from my face.lol The 3DS's 3D won't work right if it's too close to your face which kind of sucks........It seems rather finicky

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eripmav

45. Posted:

Also I suppose if its pushing out 3D, its overall graphical appearence will be lower than if it's pushing out 2D. Doing the game in 2D would lessen the GPU/CPU load and therefore free-up cycles and power for mroe graphical eyecandy. So I suppose it's a case of whether developers want to jump on the 3D bandwagon or just use it in certain parts of the game, all throughout or just skip it totally.

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astarisborn94

46. Posted:

@Protozone: Could you re-link some of those pictures? They don't work for me.

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Macaronius

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http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/...
http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/3ds_psp-3.jpg
http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/...
http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/3ds_psp-1.jpg
http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/...

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J_K

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Again like I said using those MGS shots on this page here for comparison. The 3DS is basically Wii powered, but with PS3/360 shaders and lighting tech among other little things. So expect a good pile of polygons, but a lot of eye trick candy crap thrown into the hardware to make it appear much more yummy than it really is.

Waveboy there has the right idea in post 46 there spelling out what I've been saying in a few posts already. You got a Wii powered polygon count working for you, but using PS3/360 type shaders and other junk to trick the mind into thinking you got a lot more going on there than you really do.

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49. Posted:

What about iPad & iPhone 4's A4 Chip VS Nintendo 3DS?

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J_K

50. Posted:

The Apple format itself basically due to the bloated overhead of its operating system knocks it down a bit to come in around being equal with the PSP on its better efforts. Had so much bloat me left behind though the iPad type devices would be able to make the PSP look dated.

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51. Posted:

ProtoZone wrote:

http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/...
http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/3ds_psp-3.jpg
http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/...
http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/3ds_psp-1.jpg
http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/...

The links won't work for some reason for me, lol.

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52. Posted:

BellGoRiiing wrote:

ProtoZone wrote:

http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/...
http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/3ds_psp-3.jpg
http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/...
http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/3ds_psp-1.jpg
http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/...

The links won't work for some reason for me, lol.

Sorry, they're broken links.

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Macaronius

53. Posted:

As I said before...
Wii+iPad+((PS3+XBox 360)x0.60)=GamecubexGamecube=Wii and then some=3DS

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54. Posted:

ProtoZone wrote:

BellGoRiiing wrote:

ProtoZone wrote:

http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/...
http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/3ds_psp-3.jpg
http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/...
http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/3ds_psp-1.jpg
http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/...

The links won't work for some reason for me, lol.

Sorry, they're broken links.

No they work. Just click in the adress bar and press enter.

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romulux

55. Posted:

hideo kojima says this on the DS news page:

"The high level models are about the same quality as the stuff we made on the PlayStation 3, although it's tough to see this. If we'd had a bit more time, we could have made something better.."

so in his opinion it really is close to the HD systems. the idea that those shots are not only looking worse than they can because they're not in 3D, but because the developers rushed the game, is pretty nuts, because it still looks amazing.

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56. Posted:

oh my goodness. i dont understand why ppl say it dont beat the wii graphics. the wii graphics are kind of blury, and also it looks kinda..... idk..... u know what i mean. but the 3ds...... amazing! animal crossing on it is gonna be killer! oh and also i hope they make a monster hunter for this system..... AAAAAAHHHHh!!!! COME OUT ALREADY!

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J_K

57. Posted:

Here's the article where that quote came from out of Kojima http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/07/07/kojima_on_mgs_3ds/

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Arcanum

58. Posted:

all thats left to announce on the 3DS is that they are gonna finally make another luigi game. but i still wouldnt mind a luigis mansion port. Dammit i just want a luigi game! dont get me wrong i love mario games but theres like 50 games on mario and one game with luigi. and i dont just want luigi as a "playable character". i want a "luigi is the main character" game.

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59. Posted:

romulux wrote:

hideo kojima says this on the DS news page:

"The high level models are about the same quality as the stuff we made on the PlayStation 3, although it's tough to see this. If we'd had a bit more time, we could have made something better.."

so in his opinion it really is close to the HD systems. the idea that those shots are not only looking worse than they can because they're not in 3D, but because the developers rushed the game, is pretty nuts, because it still looks amazing.

And the fact that these games are STILL in development pretty much declares that they will only look better by the time they release. Mario Kart Wii looks so much better now than it did back in 2007 when screens and videos were released. But I think they added small things to make it look much crisper and cleaner- since it didn't change COMPLETELY, yet it looks better now.

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The one thing you must admit is that all of the 3DS comparisons are from FMV scenes. That is may not be the actual quality of the game play footage. The processor for the 3DS is supposedly confirmed as the DMP PICA200. Specs Sheet: Waring, this is a 5+ Megabyte PDF file. The way it looks, it runs on OPENGL which is very interesting. If you do not know, OPENGL is an older way to generate 3D, similar to Direct3D that the PS3, Xbox360 and PC's use. One thing to know is that OPENGL used to be able to produce a tremendous amount of quality 3D with frame rate of up to 60 FPS. This is a great boon if it is really the real deal. The specs seem pretty nice but they don't layout an actual speed. Vertex performance is 15.3 M polys per second and pixel performance is 800 M polys per second. With just that, combine it with higher res screens, yeah, it going to look amazing!

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