ign had an article that actually answered a few of these questions-
"Developers working on the system say that if they were developing a 3DS game that didn't use 3D, they could theoretically use the extra processing power for additional texture passes and more complex object and environment geometry, or even up a framerate from 30 frames per second to 60."
that means the 3DS is capable of looking even better than what we've seen so far, but at the cost of 3D. the real question is how much it matters; of course the 3DS is capable of producing much better 2D shots than the ones we've been seeing, but the benefits of 3D almost certainly outweigh the extra power you'd get by disabling the effect, so it's kind of irrelevant.
"Several developers that have experienced 3DS in its current form have reported, off the record, that it has processing capabilities that exceed the Nintendo Wii, and with 3D shaders they can make games that look close to current generation visuals on the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 on the lower resolution screens."
no arguing with that one. it's pretty clear that in most regards the 3DS is miles ahead of the wii. it seems to be lacking polygons and what not, but if the shots we've seen so far are anything to go on, the 3DS has the greater abilities overall.
So far I have to admit that the 3DS looks really gorgeous screen-wise, but I heard reports that the characters and environments in 3DS games look a lot sharper with the 3D effect on, with some even claiming that the graphics were on par with the PlayStation 3! Could you imagine that? Nintendo using Sony's own technology or some illusion of it to gain the upper-hand!
WOO! Go Nintendo! The 3DS is almost as good as finally getting to try some of Peach's delicious cake!
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So far I have to admit that the 3DS looks really gorgeous screen-wise, but I heard reports that the characters and environments in 3DS games look a lot sharper with the 3D effect on, with some even claiming that the graphics were on par with the PlayStation 3! Could you imagine that? Nintendo using Sony's own technology or some illusion of it to gain the upper-hand!
WOO! Go Nintendo! The 3DS is almost as good as finally getting to try some of Peach's delicious cake!
Yeah, no. If you put a 3DS title up on a 1080p TV it wouldn't look as good as a PS3 game, at all.
People forget that the PS3 is a powerhouse because it's designed for really, really huge TVs. The 3DS' chipset is just not capable of matching that. Nor should it - it's a handheld. Why anyone would want to compare 3DS to a TV console baffles me - better off comparing it to the PSP2 if that is ever formally announced.
Yeah, no. If you put a 3DS title up on a 1080p TV it wouldn't look as good as a PS3 game, at all.
People forget that the PS3 is a powerhouse because it's designed for really, really huge TVs. The 3DS' chipset is just not capable of matching that. Nor should it - it's a handheld. Why anyone would want to compare 3DS to a TV console baffles me - better off comparing it to the PSP2 if that is ever formally announced.
My point is that people are saying that the 3DS' visuals provide the illusion that they are as good as a PS3's visuals when the 3D effect is on. I myself think that they have been greatly improved over the Wii's graphics, but they're not the same as a PS3's graphics, illusory or otherwise. Nintendo's graphics have their own distinct charm, isolated from every other console manufacturer's machine's graphics in every way. The graphics of PlayStation and Xbox systems are designed for the most part to be realistic, whereas Nintendo's are in a class of their own, designed to be enjoyed in a different way. Nobody wants to play a Mario game in which the star plumber appears as a normal, everyday person with a moustache, red cap and blue overalls - it would destroy the magic and charm that Nintendo put into the game. There's a reason Nintendo is top of the console leaderboard at this point in time, and it's not photo-realistic graphics. It's fun, charming gameplay with gorgeous, imaginative visuals and charming characters with whom everybody can relate.
In conclusion, Nintendo's graphics totally pwn Sony's and Microsoft's by a wide margin! GO NINTENDO!
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Yeah, no. If you put a 3DS title up on a 1080p TV it wouldn't look as good as a PS3 game, at all.
People forget that the PS3 is a powerhouse because it's designed for really, really huge TVs. The 3DS' chipset is just not capable of matching that. Nor should it - it's a handheld. Why anyone would want to compare 3DS to a TV console baffles me - better off comparing it to the PSP2 if that is ever formally announced.
My point is that people are saying that the 3DS' visuals provide the illusion that they are as good as a PS3's visuals when the 3D effect is on. I myself think that they have been greatly improved over the Wii's graphics, but they're not the same as a PS3's graphics, illusory or otherwise. Nintendo's graphics have their own distinct charm, isolated from every other console manufacturer's machine's graphics in every way. The graphics of PlayStation and Xbox systems are designed for the most part to be realistic, whereas Nintendo's are in a class of their own, designed to be enjoyed in a different way. Nobody wants to play a Mario game in which the star plumber appears as a normal, everyday person with a moustache, red cap and blue overalls - it would destroy the magic and charm that Nintendo put into the game. There's a reason Nintendo is top of the console leaderboard at this point in time, and it's not photo-realistic graphics. It's fun, charming gameplay with gorgeous, imaginative visuals and charming characters with whom everybody can relate.
In conclusion, Nintendo's graphics totally pwn Sony's and Microsoft's by a wide margin! GO NINTENDO!
No, they don't. Both the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 are significantly more powerful graphical tools than the Wii, and 3DS too, for that matter.
You almost seem to be saying it's the console that's creating the "charm" in the graphics. Let me explain this to you - what is inside the Wii has nothing whatsoever to do with "charming" graphics. That's up to the creative decisions a developer makes. There is no reason a Playstation 3 or Xbox 360 game cannot be just as charming visually as a game on a Nintendo console, in fact, the additional power both consoles have would, if anything, make it easier for a developer to do such a thing than on the Wii.
For any number of reasons, the majority (but not all) of PS3/ Xbox 360 games do shoot for visual realism, but again, that's not because the hardware inside either console forces the graphics to be realistic. Its not like if you could somehow chip the PS3 to play Wii games, and stuck Mario into it, the game would suddenly become an R-rated gorefest.
How can anyone seriously care about the 3DS's processing power? Just look at Kid Icarus. Just look at Resi and MGS. Whatever the exact numbers, it can do that. For announcement games. Which are almost always substantially weaker than games released towards the end of its life when they've learnt to squeeze all the power out of it. The numbers don't matter.
Besides which, it has Paper Mario. Figures be damned.
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in 01-02 I worked for Midway before it went downhill, since then off/on in the gaming media, and currently out but my brother is a producer for a branch of THQ so I get little tidbits of info still. I was told to expect this system to be on the level of the Wii in output potential, but obviously sporting the whole 3D thing. But, the twist was that parts of the hardware allow the system to do visual tricks the Wii lacks but 360/PS3 do with shaders, lighting, and a few other little gems which can boost the clarity obviously over Wii in that regard.
Take that as you will and you can choose to or not to believe me on it, but I'd say your worst looking 3DS games should look like the most badass of the PS2 (MGS3 3D demo) releases put to market, and the high end I could only guess considering people haven't been making games on the hardware for a few years yet to learn more little tricks and loopholes.
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When you slide the depth slider from off to 3D you'll see a MAMMOTH jump in visual clarity and quality. It's like smoothing all of the jagged edges out completely. I can't wait for people to see it in action on the 3DS. And as fantastic as these games looked in action, you also have to remember that many were early demo versions. As developers figure out how to use this hardware, visuals will get even better.
Yeah, no. If you put a 3DS title up on a 1080p TV it wouldn't look as good as a PS3 game, at all.
People forget that the PS3 is a powerhouse because it's designed for really, really huge TVs. The 3DS' chipset is just not capable of matching that. Nor should it - it's a handheld. Why anyone would want to compare 3DS to a TV console baffles me - better off comparing it to the PSP2 if that is ever formally announced.
My point is that people are saying that the 3DS' visuals provide the illusion that they are as good as a PS3's visuals when the 3D effect is on. I myself think that they have been greatly improved over the Wii's graphics, but they're not the same as a PS3's graphics, illusory or otherwise. Nintendo's graphics have their own distinct charm, isolated from every other console manufacturer's machine's graphics in every way. The graphics of PlayStation and Xbox systems are designed for the most part to be realistic, whereas Nintendo's are in a class of their own, designed to be enjoyed in a different way. Nobody wants to play a Mario game in which the star plumber appears as a normal, everyday person with a moustache, red cap and blue overalls - it would destroy the magic and charm that Nintendo put into the game. There's a reason Nintendo is top of the console leaderboard at this point in time, and it's not photo-realistic graphics. It's fun, charming gameplay with gorgeous, imaginative visuals and charming characters with whom everybody can relate.
In conclusion, Nintendo's graphics totally pwn Sony's and Microsoft's by a wide margin! GO NINTENDO!
No, they don't. Both the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 are significantly more powerful graphical tools than the Wii, and 3DS too, for that matter.
You almost seem to be saying it's the console that's creating the "charm" in the graphics. Let me explain this to you - what is inside the Wii has nothing whatsoever to do with "charming" graphics. That's up to the creative decisions a developer makes. There is no reason a Playstation 3 or Xbox 360 game cannot be just as charming visually as a game on a Nintendo console, in fact, the additional power both consoles have would, if anything, make it easier for a developer to do such a thing than on the Wii.
For any number of reasons, the majority (but not all) of PS3/ Xbox 360 games do shoot for visual realism, but again, that's not because the hardware inside either console forces the graphics to be realistic. Its not like if you could somehow chip the PS3 to play Wii games, and stuck Mario into it, the game would suddenly become an R-rated gorefest.
Like I said once before, to me the 3DS looks like its around the GCN and/or PS2 visually. From what I've seen so far it doesn't even come close to PS3 or whatever, maybe close to the Wii's but I dunno. Rather wait till I'm holding the thing in my hand till I say something, lol.
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More comparisons. Metal Gear Solid comparisons Remember, several of the screenshots of the 3DS games have been stretched beyond the dimensions of the screens of the actual 3DS, so the pixellation that is seen in the screenshots won't be seen when playing the actual 3DS system.
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You guys think the 3DS is on par with the ps3 and 360 graphically. I'm sorry guys but I am not seeing this. The comparisons don't even look on par with the wii. The 3DS looks like it doesn't have as many polygons and has a lot of jagged edges. Definitely does not look on par with the graphics of the Wii, and I highly doubt much changes with the 3D effect turned on. Still can't wait to get it and I will be more than happy with it's graphics.
You guys think the 3DS is on par with the ps3 and 360 graphically. I'm sorry guys but I am not seeing this. The comparisons don't even look on par with the wii. The 3DS looks like it doesn't have as many polygons and has a lot of jagged edges. Definitely does not look on par with the graphics of the Wii, and I highly doubt much changes with the 3D effect turned on. Still can't wait to get it and I will be more than happy with it's graphics.
Yeah, keep saying its close to a GCN or PS2 than the current generations.
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You got to remember also that in screenshots, you're not getting the full detailing of the graphics. Graphics will always look worse unless they're touched up, given FSAA, AA X* etc etc.
Let's face it, if it's as powerful as the Wii or slightly more so, we'll all be happy. Considering it's capable of running an incarnation of the RE5 engine is pretty damned amazing.
Also I suppose if its pushing out 3D, its overall graphical appearence will be lower than if it's pushing out 2D. Doing the game in 2D would lessen the GPU/CPU load and therefore free-up cycles and power for mroe graphical eyecandy. So I suppose it's a case of whether developers want to jump on the 3D bandwagon or just use it in certain parts of the game, all throughout or just skip it totally.
Again like I said using those MGS shots on this page here for comparison. The 3DS is basically Wii powered, but with PS3/360 shaders and lighting tech among other little things. So expect a good pile of polygons, but a lot of eye trick candy crap thrown into the hardware to make it appear much more yummy than it really is.
Waveboy there has the right idea in post 46 there spelling out what I've been saying in a few posts already. You got a Wii powered polygon count working for you, but using PS3/360 type shaders and other junk to trick the mind into thinking you got a lot more going on there than you really do.
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