@MasterGraveheart @YunoboCo @MasterGraveheart Yeah, the omission of her, the mage sisters, and Elfilin feels bittersweet.
Though sadly with the case with Adeleine is to be expected considering Japan's own CERO ratings systems were beginning in regulating years ago against certain types of violence such as punching aimed at human female children, for their A and B games and I doubt Nintendo or Sakurai were going to risk a C rating for this game because of one character.
@N00BiSH I think they mean M-rated characters which apparently and strangely only offends him. Even though in other countries those M Rated characters have a lower rating in other countries like Japan
@Ralizah No kidding, one of the few puzzle game franchises I found enjoyable alongside murder mystery games. I was hyped when I heard they got a new team to handle the puzzles.
Though the franchise that still makes me nervous is Yokai Watch. Really liked the first three games and was saddened that 4 was not getting localized. Though I can see why many in Japan were turned away from that game due to over-dependence on the show.
@Ralizah It did? That's actually excellent news. Honestly, I hope you are right. I guess after rooting them so much during the 3DS days and seeing them stumble so much afterwards and miss a lot of opportunities when they were on high momentum, I guess I found it difficult to root for them.
I heard that Nintendo was the ones that gave the nudge to Level-5 to make the new Professor Layton. Let's hope it pays off.
@Ralizah Might have to put a pin on Level-5 though considering they seem to be making the same mistakes as last time. That and the fandom didn't react too well about the whole AI thing, plus the delays
@John_Deacon Yeah that is an issue that the Rayman may have to face. Considering it happened once already after the last game sold below their expectations and he was sent to mobile games for a decade. And of course this recently happening to the Mario Rabbids series. Even in Activision the Crash series had to cancel all future projects for a similar reason, because 4 sold 5 million while they were expecting it to sell as much as the N-Sane trilogy.
@Abighoul Indeed, spiritual successors of 3D platformers, even if they are made by the original team that worked on those games, don't sell very well either. Taking into account what post #36 made, the game Mameda Bakeru was made by the same team that worked on the Ganbare Goemon series; they just work for Good-Feel instead of Konami now, and that didn't make any notable sales despite selling at a low price. The same goes for your point with Yooka Laylee.
These days, Banjo-Kazooie faces the issue of needing a lot of people to buy the game. It also needs to compete with Microsoft, which expects its franchisees to sell an overwhelming amount that may be unreachable. Otherwise, it will end up with the current problem that Crash and Spyro are facing.
@UmbreonsPapa I agree, unfortunately he's jumping the gun since a lot of SEGA characters outside of Sonic are from M-rated games and to him that's a massive sin.
@Pres_Shinra Technically Sora was GBA (a game and a themed console), DS, 3DS (also games and a themed console) and Switch while Sephiroth was a bit on 3DS and Switch
@NImH In the official Super Mario Encyclopedia there is a section in the initial pages called "Meet the Mario Family" which also mentions "here are all the main characters, without whom it wouldn't be a Super Mario game" which then proceeds to list the characters. Pirahna Plant is included in this section right next to Mario, Luigi, Peach, The Toads (Red, Yellow, and Blue), Goomba, Koopa Troopas, Hammer Bro and the continuing page continues with Bowser, Bowser Jr., The Koopalings, Daisy, Wario, Birdo, Rosalina & Luma, Yoshi. Meanwhile Waluigi isn't listed.
Edit: Daisy also appears in Super Mario Run which is also considered a main Super Mario game.
@backup368
"Yeah, you should expect more Fire Emblem games like you should expect more Kirby and Yoshi games. They could have added "Yarn Yoshi" to "promote" Yoshi's Woolly World that only sold 1.17 million copies on the Wii U. Kirby & the Rainbow Curse doesn't even have concrete sales info."
Yeah I was disappointed by that too and even when they added the crafted version they eliminated my favorite palette swap. I was also hoping for a Yoshi villain but knew they would be overshadowed by other candidates.
"They were allowed to use Kirby's likeness. If you scanned a Kirby amiibo, then you got a Kirby racing outfit. This wasn't the case with any Fire Emblem character."
I remember but Nintendo EPD were also responsible for the production of several Kirby games alongside HAL.
"That game had 38 characters total, all from the same series. Not bad for being the first ever in a series."
The game did start well with 22 followed by Dissidia 012 with Kain, Gilgamesh, Tifa, Laguna (the odd choice), Yuna, Vaan (despite the dev team wanted to add Balthier instead), Prishe, Lightning and Feral Chaos. for 31 base.
Then came the Arcade version with 14 characters and then NT 28 base roster. Followed by odd DLC choices such as making Snow Villiers a villain for some reason and some veterans. That DLC costumes each priced around $12-15. At the same time stripping the game of features that fans like in favor for Esports. And a butchered story with progression methods that are similar to a phone game.
"I don't see how being xenophobic means he's not willing to grant the rights to more of his music"
Xenophobia is only one of the reasons, the other being he believes that adding orchestral tracks will affect the sales of his CDs and concerts (which are exclusive to Japan)
Basically he does grant music just only MIDI tracks.
Unfortunately this is one of the reasons why those that try to get into the series get turned off because of the tracks.
@backup368
-"Super Smash Bros. Ultimate isn't made by Intelligent Systems either. If they only had a few characters to choose from, why not it be from Nintendo's other best-selling series?"
Because the 1st and 2nd party characters that are added have a future with Nintendo or are a part of Nintendo's history (Such as R.O.B., Wii Fit Trainer, Duck Hunt). I may not like FE but even I know that they have a 100% chance of being supported by Nintendo and IE again in the future despite the fact that they have a new rotating cast every game. IE will always find a way to use someone like Chrom again. Unlike let's say Legend of Zelda which always features Links, Zeldas or Ganons and their incarnations while characters like Midna (who isn't as respected by her developers as fans think they do) are thrown away by the end of their games and rarely appear again the only chance of her ever appearing again being a remake.
"Game Freak is treated like a 2nd party to Nintendo where they would need time and paperwork in order to use the Pokemon IP. Kirby is no hit like Splatoon, Animal Crossing, and Zelda have been. This wasn't supposed to be Super Smash Kart."
Because you mentioned why FE is not in Mario Kart
Remember Post #57 "If what you are saying is true then how come Fire Emblem characters were never a thought in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe?"
"Game Freak is treated like a 2nd party to Nintendo where they would need time and paperwork in order to use the Pokemon IP. Kirby is no hit like Splatoon, Animal Crossing, and Zelda have been. This wasn't supposed to be Super Smash Kart."
They would have to both have to apply paperwork as well due to the transition. Nintendo EPD cannot use FE freely despite being first party. Happens a lot in many entertainment companies.
"If you're a Smash Bros. fan, you're used to getting more content with each character. In other fighting games, you basically have only 1 guest character and one music track from a new stage. You typically don't need more than that"
And if you're a SE you get used to their higher ups making sure that fans get barebones content even in crossovers. Not only that Dissidia is all SE first party and have confirmed that the addition of guests in Dissidia is reduntant. Despite knowing that it would make them more money.
How does this make any sense?
In Square Enix the ones that officially own the songs are the composers and not the companies. The composer for DQ Sugiyama is best known for not giving DQ games orchestrated versions of his song. Orchestral songs are even rarer in the west. Western fans found this odd until he started getting political by denying Japanese war crimes as well as stating Xenophobic statements. SE had to issue a public apology but due to his position cannot fire him.
When the Deluxe Edition was announced fans found it a miracle that the game came with orchestral music despite the PS4 version not having it.
@backup368
Because Mario Kart Deluxe 8 is not made by Intelligent Systems.
Nintendo EPD added villager, Isabelle, Link and the Inklings into Mario Kart 8 Deluxe which was made by Nintendo EPD. The same guys that also made the games:
Legend of Zelda: Triforce Heroes, Breath of the Wild and its sequel, Splatoon 2 and Animal Crossing New Leaf and new Horizons. Might as well argue when they added Pac-Man, Ms. Pac Man, Ghosts, Mametchi and Don-Chan due to Bandai Namco. Let's also not forget that SE is the only company with 2 characters and none of them have been base roster, while BN, Capcom, Sega and Konami of all companies did.
Also where's Gamefreak's Pikachu, Eevee and HAL's Kirby?
And when they refer to stingy they refer to lending out their characters. A lot of SE fans knew that when Ultimate was announced the most they were going to get from FFVII were the same thing as in wiiu and 3ds they even know that rumors of a SE newcomer in the base roster was fake. The reason why many fans believe that they are stingy? They have done so before with their own crossover game Dissidia, 012 and NT despite the fact that they make it where only protagonists get priority and if the protagonist is not in the game no other content will be added and even then support for party members in crossovers is considered a miracle (hence why we also got 0 songs and spirits from other FF titles).
Lara Croft in Brawlhalla is basically a glorified costume for another character who has the same moveset, not only that she belongs to western branch of Square Enix. Those guys are about as lax as the Enix branch in Japan and even then Hero only came with 2 Midi songs per character because the composer is a xenophobe.
@backup368
Do you have any proof that those were lies or that Nintendo employees themselves confirmed that those were lies.
Corrin: Exactly Just like how they asked him to make Roy because Nintendo had plans to make him a certain way only for Sakurai to realize that was not the final case. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFmGP3inhB4
Bayonetta: He said that she was the most realizable of the Ballot choices which is true she actually was (Not only that both Sakurai and Iwata commented that the ballot was a suggestion box).
Oh I don't know how about the Higher ups that that legally own the character who Sakurai works for such as the CEO. Reggie does not count since he's the President on NoA they don't get involved until much later after the projects have been decided.
@backup368
Fun Fact: Employees spreading false rumors about companies that they work for result in termination especially if its on open media such as Famitsu and one of the most well known videogame magazines. The fact that Nintendo hasn't done anything or corrected Sakurai's statements (because he has asserted this multiple times) on Famitsu to defend themselves means he was telling the truth. Otherwise It also means that Nintendo allows its employees to produce false statements and when things go wrong slander to be spread to the Japanese audience and even to those on the west that look for the translated media and keeping said employee would be negligent.
@MrCerulean7
When you can't accept a project you have to justify why you can't go forward with it. "Too many FE characters is not an acceptable statement" and "I cant make an unique moveset for a FE character is a false statement" doesn't look well considering he would be saying no to Nintendo's first party character choice
@backup368
The quote you provided is about developing characters not choosing them. In other words Sakurai and his team's approach is that wants to develop the characters as unique as possible.
Nintendo (or more specifically the main branch Nintendo of Japan) brought up the list of franchises and Sakurai chose if it was possible to develop a unique character from those franchises.
You also forget Nintendo are also the ones that decide whether or not an Intellectual Property, Trademarks and copyrights are to be used (a bit loose with 1st parties but not by much), doing so otherwise would be illegal.
Also In my comment I mention franchises not characters big difference. Nintendo provided a list of franchises. Sakurai chose if it was possible or not for him to make a moveset for a character of said franchise.
@mesome713 There is no such thing as a Spring Woman. Also Nintendo chose which franchises should be added to the passes.
Shame on you for threatening someone over something as simple as videogame characters. Someone who donated supplies to his employees during quarantine just so their work goes smoother since their home supplies were insufficient.
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I can practically hear Japan's CERO ratings system's inhuman screech.
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@MasterGraveheart @YunoboCo @MasterGraveheart Yeah, the omission of her, the mage sisters, and Elfilin feels bittersweet.
Though sadly with the case with Adeleine is to be expected considering Japan's own CERO ratings systems were beginning in regulating years ago against certain types of violence such as punching aimed at human female children, for their A and B games and I doubt Nintendo or Sakurai were going to risk a C rating for this game because of one character.
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@N00BiSH I think they mean M-rated characters which apparently and strangely only offends him. Even though in other countries those M Rated characters have a lower rating in other countries like Japan
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@Ralizah No kidding, one of the few puzzle game franchises I found enjoyable alongside murder mystery games. I was hyped when I heard they got a new team to handle the puzzles.
Though the franchise that still makes me nervous is Yokai Watch. Really liked the first three games and was saddened that 4 was not getting localized. Though I can see why many in Japan were turned away from that game due to over-dependence on the show.
Re: Mario + Rabbids Dev Is Hiring For A New 'AAA' Rayman Game
@Ralizah It did? That's actually excellent news. Honestly, I hope you are right. I guess after rooting them so much during the 3DS days and seeing them stumble so much afterwards and miss a lot of opportunities when they were on high momentum, I guess I found it difficult to root for them.
I heard that Nintendo was the ones that gave the nudge to Level-5 to make the new Professor Layton. Let's hope it pays off.
Re: Mario + Rabbids Dev Is Hiring For A New 'AAA' Rayman Game
@Ralizah Might have to put a pin on Level-5 though considering they seem to be making the same mistakes as last time. That and the fandom didn't react too well about the whole AI thing, plus the delays
@John_Deacon Yeah that is an issue that the Rayman may have to face. Considering it happened once already after the last game sold below their expectations and he was sent to mobile games for a decade. And of course this recently happening to the Mario Rabbids series. Even in Activision the Crash series had to cancel all future projects for a similar reason, because 4 sold 5 million while they were expecting it to sell as much as the N-Sane trilogy.
Re: Banjo-Kazooie Composer Explains Why He Thinks Another Game Is Unlikely
@Abighoul Indeed, spiritual successors of 3D platformers, even if they are made by the original team that worked on those games, don't sell very well either. Taking into account what post #36 made, the game Mameda Bakeru was made by the same team that worked on the Ganbare Goemon series; they just work for Good-Feel instead of Konami now, and that didn't make any notable sales despite selling at a low price. The same goes for your point with Yooka Laylee.
These days, Banjo-Kazooie faces the issue of needing a lot of people to buy the game. It also needs to compete with Microsoft, which expects its franchisees to sell an overwhelming amount that may be unreachable. Otherwise, it will end up with the current problem that Crash and Spyro are facing.
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@UmbreonsPapa I agree, unfortunately he's jumping the gun since a lot of SEGA characters outside of Sonic are from M-rated games and to him that's a massive sin.
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@Pres_Shinra Technically Sora was GBA (a game and a themed console), DS, 3DS (also games and a themed console) and Switch while Sephiroth was a bit on 3DS and Switch
Re: Random: Waluigi "Invites Himself" To Super Smash Bros. In This Emotional Fan-Made Trailer
@NImH In the official Super Mario Encyclopedia there is a section in the initial pages called "Meet the Mario Family" which also mentions "here are all the main characters, without whom it wouldn't be a Super Mario game" which then proceeds to list the characters. Pirahna Plant is included in this section right next to Mario, Luigi, Peach, The Toads (Red, Yellow, and Blue), Goomba, Koopa Troopas, Hammer Bro and the continuing page continues with Bowser, Bowser Jr., The Koopalings, Daisy, Wario, Birdo, Rosalina & Luma, Yoshi. Meanwhile Waluigi isn't listed.
Edit: Daisy also appears in Super Mario Run which is also considered a main Super Mario game.
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@Aurumonado Who, Toad?
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@Amin_Parker Yeah Scorpion would be hype. Sadly Mortal Kombat has been banned in Japan for more than a decade no thanks to CERO.
Re: Smash Bros. ARMS Presentation To Take Place From The Comfort Of Sakurai's Home
@backup368
"Yeah, you should expect more Fire Emblem games like you should expect more Kirby and Yoshi games. They could have added "Yarn Yoshi" to "promote" Yoshi's Woolly World that only sold 1.17 million copies on the Wii U. Kirby & the Rainbow Curse doesn't even have concrete sales info."
Yeah I was disappointed by that too and even when they added the crafted version they eliminated my favorite palette swap. I was also hoping for a Yoshi villain but knew they would be overshadowed by other candidates.
"They were allowed to use Kirby's likeness. If you scanned a Kirby amiibo, then you got a Kirby racing outfit. This wasn't the case with any Fire Emblem character."
I remember but Nintendo EPD were also responsible for the production of several Kirby games alongside HAL.
"That game had 38 characters total, all from the same series. Not bad for being the first ever in a series."
The game did start well with 22 followed by Dissidia 012 with Kain, Gilgamesh, Tifa, Laguna (the odd choice), Yuna, Vaan (despite the dev team wanted to add Balthier instead), Prishe, Lightning and Feral Chaos. for 31 base.
Then came the Arcade version with 14 characters and then NT 28 base roster. Followed by odd DLC choices such as making Snow Villiers a villain for some reason and some veterans. That DLC costumes each priced around $12-15. At the same time stripping the game of features that fans like in favor for Esports. And a butchered story with progression methods that are similar to a phone game.
"I don't see how being xenophobic means he's not willing to grant the rights to more of his music"
Xenophobia is only one of the reasons, the other being he believes that adding orchestral tracks will affect the sales of his CDs and concerts (which are exclusive to Japan)
Basically he does grant music just only MIDI tracks.
Unfortunately this is one of the reasons why those that try to get into the series get turned off because of the tracks.
Re: Smash Bros. ARMS Presentation To Take Place From The Comfort Of Sakurai's Home
@backup368
-"Super Smash Bros. Ultimate isn't made by Intelligent Systems either. If they only had a few characters to choose from, why not it be from Nintendo's other best-selling series?"
Because the 1st and 2nd party characters that are added have a future with Nintendo or are a part of Nintendo's history (Such as R.O.B., Wii Fit Trainer, Duck Hunt). I may not like FE but even I know that they have a 100% chance of being supported by Nintendo and IE again in the future despite the fact that they have a new rotating cast every game. IE will always find a way to use someone like Chrom again. Unlike let's say Legend of Zelda which always features Links, Zeldas or Ganons and their incarnations while characters like Midna (who isn't as respected by her developers as fans think they do) are thrown away by the end of their games and rarely appear again the only chance of her ever appearing again being a remake.
"Game Freak is treated like a 2nd party to Nintendo where they would need time and paperwork in order to use the Pokemon IP. Kirby is no hit like Splatoon, Animal Crossing, and Zelda have been. This wasn't supposed to be Super Smash Kart."
Because you mentioned why FE is not in Mario Kart
Remember Post #57 "If what you are saying is true then how come Fire Emblem characters were never a thought in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe?"
"Game Freak is treated like a 2nd party to Nintendo where they would need time and paperwork in order to use the Pokemon IP. Kirby is no hit like Splatoon, Animal Crossing, and Zelda have been. This wasn't supposed to be Super Smash Kart."
They would have to both have to apply paperwork as well due to the transition. Nintendo EPD cannot use FE freely despite being first party. Happens a lot in many entertainment companies.
"If you're a Smash Bros. fan, you're used to getting more content with each character. In other fighting games, you basically have only 1 guest character and one music track from a new stage. You typically don't need more than that"
And if you're a SE you get used to their higher ups making sure that fans get barebones content even in crossovers. Not only that Dissidia is all SE first party and have confirmed that the addition of guests in Dissidia is reduntant. Despite knowing that it would make them more money.
How does this make any sense?
In Square Enix the ones that officially own the songs are the composers and not the companies. The composer for DQ Sugiyama is best known for not giving DQ games orchestrated versions of his song. Orchestral songs are even rarer in the west. Western fans found this odd until he started getting political by denying Japanese war crimes as well as stating Xenophobic statements. SE had to issue a public apology but due to his position cannot fire him.
When the Deluxe Edition was announced fans found it a miracle that the game came with orchestral music despite the PS4 version not having it.
Re: Smash Bros. ARMS Presentation To Take Place From The Comfort Of Sakurai's Home
@backup368
Because Mario Kart Deluxe 8 is not made by Intelligent Systems.
Nintendo EPD added villager, Isabelle, Link and the Inklings into Mario Kart 8 Deluxe which was made by Nintendo EPD. The same guys that also made the games:
Legend of Zelda: Triforce Heroes, Breath of the Wild and its sequel, Splatoon 2 and Animal Crossing New Leaf and new Horizons. Might as well argue when they added Pac-Man, Ms. Pac Man, Ghosts, Mametchi and Don-Chan due to Bandai Namco. Let's also not forget that SE is the only company with 2 characters and none of them have been base roster, while BN, Capcom, Sega and Konami of all companies did.
Also where's Gamefreak's Pikachu, Eevee and HAL's Kirby?
And when they refer to stingy they refer to lending out their characters. A lot of SE fans knew that when Ultimate was announced the most they were going to get from FFVII were the same thing as in wiiu and 3ds they even know that rumors of a SE newcomer in the base roster was fake. The reason why many fans believe that they are stingy? They have done so before with their own crossover game Dissidia, 012 and NT despite the fact that they make it where only protagonists get priority and if the protagonist is not in the game no other content will be added and even then support for party members in crossovers is considered a miracle (hence why we also got 0 songs and spirits from other FF titles).
Lara Croft in Brawlhalla is basically a glorified costume for another character who has the same moveset, not only that she belongs to western branch of Square Enix. Those guys are about as lax as the Enix branch in Japan and even then Hero only came with 2 Midi songs per character because the composer is a xenophobe.
Re: Smash Bros. ARMS Presentation To Take Place From The Comfort Of Sakurai's Home
@backup368
Do you have any proof that those were lies or that Nintendo employees themselves confirmed that those were lies.
Corrin: Exactly Just like how they asked him to make Roy because Nintendo had plans to make him a certain way only for Sakurai to realize that was not the final case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFmGP3inhB4
Bayonetta: He said that she was the most realizable of the Ballot choices which is true she actually was (Not only that both Sakurai and Iwata commented that the ballot was a suggestion box).
Oh I don't know how about the Higher ups that that legally own the character who Sakurai works for such as the CEO. Reggie does not count since he's the President on NoA they don't get involved until much later after the projects have been decided.
Re: Smash Bros. ARMS Presentation To Take Place From The Comfort Of Sakurai's Home
@backup368
Fun Fact: Employees spreading false rumors about companies that they work for result in termination especially if its on open media such as Famitsu and one of the most well known videogame magazines. The fact that Nintendo hasn't done anything or corrected Sakurai's statements (because he has asserted this multiple times) on Famitsu to defend themselves means he was telling the truth. Otherwise It also means that Nintendo allows its employees to produce false statements and when things go wrong slander to be spread to the Japanese audience and even to those on the west that look for the translated media and keeping said employee would be negligent.
@MrCerulean7
When you can't accept a project you have to justify why you can't go forward with it. "Too many FE characters is not an acceptable statement" and "I cant make an unique moveset for a FE character is a false statement" doesn't look well considering he would be saying no to Nintendo's first party character choice
Re: Smash Bros. ARMS Presentation To Take Place From The Comfort Of Sakurai's Home
@backup368
The quote you provided is about developing characters not choosing them. In other words Sakurai and his team's approach is that wants to develop the characters as unique as possible.
Nintendo (or more specifically the main branch Nintendo of Japan) brought up the list of franchises and Sakurai chose if it was possible to develop a unique character from those franchises.
You also forget Nintendo are also the ones that decide whether or not an Intellectual Property, Trademarks and copyrights are to be used (a bit loose with 1st parties but not by much), doing so otherwise would be illegal.
Re: Smash Bros. ARMS Presentation To Take Place From The Comfort Of Sakurai's Home
@backup368 I watched it live and just re-watched it while I was typing my previous comment he didn't
Re: Smash Bros. ARMS Presentation To Take Place From The Comfort Of Sakurai's Home
@backup368
Reggie never mentioned that.
Also In my comment I mention franchises not characters big difference. Nintendo provided a list of franchises.
Sakurai chose if it was possible or not for him to make a moveset for a character of said franchise.
Re: Smash Bros. ARMS Presentation To Take Place From The Comfort Of Sakurai's Home
@mesome713 There is no such thing as a Spring Woman. Also Nintendo chose which franchises should be added to the passes.
Shame on you for threatening someone over something as simple as videogame characters. Someone who donated supplies to his employees during quarantine just so their work goes smoother since their home supplies were insufficient.