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@WebHead
Same here. I don't think it's consumer sales, though. There probably is 5 million consoles or so out there... Given the situation, I wouldn't consider it that bad. Financially, it isn't that great(obviously), but the quality and support will continue to grow, and that can only make things better.

@BrightBeing
It depends on what you mean by power. Wii U is a flexible and efficient system.

This whole argument has to do with whether Wii U is 8th gen. It factually is, even specs wise. That's why it's annoying to hear otherwise, because it's ignorant.

What benchmarks and games are you talking about, exactly? All I see is ports that weren't designed for Wii U, and lacked as a result. How you, or anyone else is drawing conclusions from that, basically confirms that you don't know anything about the hardware.

EDIT: It's not even really an argument, because I know WTF I'm talking about. It rarely takes more than 1GB to a video game, Wii U has the 32MB of cache to make more connections happen, and it's GPGPU is a more capable than anyone can even grasp, right now.
Did you know?:
Project Cars on Wii U = 1 CPU core with it's GPGPU
Project Cars on Xbox One/PS4 = resources across 4 CPU cores with its GPU

Wii U is efficient, so it gets more from less. Google is right there, bro.

@Sean_Aaron
They are still selling Wii consoles, though. It wouldn't really make sense to allow a trade of something that's still currently on sale. Unless they plan on making those trade in consoles as products for China, it won't really work. They basically can't resell that stuff here, if they allow it to be traded in. That's my take.

I think adding cross-buy/play would probably give 3DS and Wii U owners incentive to buy the Nintendo system they don't already have(if they don't already have one or the other).

There needs to be more software, and they need to make buying a Wii U as stress and risk free as possible. Find a way to make Wii owners want to upgrade, and get new Nintendo system owners on board by offering more system features.

Wii Street U or Art Academy may not seem like killer apps, but if Nintendo fills the screen with apps like that as system standard apps(like Weather Channel, News Channel, Check Mii Out, etc), I think it would make the system look valuable, even if you don't buy any software at all.

@nintykid
That's a porting problem. If devs knew how to utilize the Wii U, those framerate issues wouldn't even exist.

Look at Lego City, then compare to Lego Marvel. They basically have the same graphics and everything. The difference is that Lego City was designed for Wii U, and had the hardware in mind. However, figuring out how to port games correctly will fix that issue.

@BrightBeing
The Wii U isn't even under powered. It's designed to run software without requiring hardware heavy tasks. Efficient doesn't necessarily mean "underpowered".

Go compare a 4 cylinder from 1980. Now compare a 4 cylinder from 2013. It's a world of difference, despite having arguably the same specs.

The efficiency basically gives it more power. Plus, Wii U's GPGPU isn't weak at all, but it also requires the CPU to make more use of it.

@Skyfox2000
So basically, the entire eShop will be on smartphones/tablets, and PC. Then you will presumably link your NNID, and everything will download to your Nintendo system at home, or whatever.

If your smart device has 3G/4G wifi sharing, you could download 3DS games onto your 3DS, via your smart phone, on the go, or for your Wii U(at home).

http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/31/nintendo-eshop-pc-smartphone/

http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/10/28/nintendo-3ds-eshop-expands-to-pc-smartphones

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-31-nintendo-launching-eshop-for-smartphones-and-pc-by-years-end-report

@Skyfox2000
If anything, Nintendo would allow 3rd party cross buy on multiple platforms, but not with their exclusives.

i.e. Buy EDGE on Wii U, you then have it on 3DS, and your smartphone. This still does not include the exclusive on any system.

Even asking for CoD to be free on whatever console you own, once you bought it on one is probably impossible. Say if I bought CoD on Wii U, I would have it on Xbox One, that's just as unlikely, because then console manufacturers would basically be selling 3rd party games for themselves, and everyone else.

@Skyfox2000
eShop buying has been confirmed(buy on smartphone anywhere, Wii U downloads it at you home). Miiverse will basically become Nintendo's social network, and will be available on smart devices. A subscription magazine is possible. Streetpass and Nintendo Zone will probably be there. Nintendo Video.

If Nintendo absolutely needs to, they will allow your NNID to be relevant on more than their own devices, but that does not include games.

@Skyfox2000
No, because then people will want the whole thing. You either give them everything, or nothing at all. You can't give people demos, and expect them to not want the whole thing on the device they played it on.

3rd parties still have the freedom to publish on anything. Anything exclusive, needs to stay that way. Maybe asking iOS/Android devs to put their games on 3DS, would be more fitting?

@Skyfox2000
BTW, I never said advertising games on Android and iOS is a bad thing. I'm encouraging it, actually. Nintendo games should not, and will not show up on smart devices.

If people really want smartphones to be successful game machines, they'll buy that, instead of Nintendo. 3DS games won't be on PS Vita, either.

Asking for Nintendo games to be on anything other than Nintendo, is ludicrous. You don't see PS or Xbox exclusives on Nintendo, so why expect the opposite?

@Skyfox2000
Putting games on iPhone and Android would probably actually backfire. People won't want 3DS as much, if they can play those games on something they already have.

I realize they're popular, but that doesn't mean that Nintendo should go out on a limb to make Google and Apple customers happy. You don't buy a Chevy with a Ford engine, at the Chevy dealership, that sells new cars.

Be happy with what you have on your smartphone. If Nintendo games are worth your time, you'll buy a Nintendo system, It's that simple. Smartphone games are making their way to 3DS and Wii U, anyway. If people want games, they'll go to Nintendo. Angry Birds and Cut the Rope are already on Nintendo systems. Candy Crush will probably be on there too eventually.

The market is actually moving to Nintendo, if software is anything to go by.

@Jazzer94
That's why you give them time. It's not a coincidence that both Nintendo and Microsoft are trying to make their profucts more worthwhile, after release. If we judged either, as of now, it would be drawing a premature conclusion.

The Wii U has only been out for over a year, and Nintendo plans on making this system last long as possible, just like any other. The GamePad and Kinect need to stay to make these consoles worthwhile, in the long run. Making the GamePad optional, when it's a core part of the system(which Nintendo admittedly needs to work on), will make the whole project go up in smoke.

@Jazzer94
That still doesn't equal public perception. Kinect did pretty well on Xbox 360, so raw numbers say otherwise.

@Jazzer94
That's where money comes into play. Sony didn't make money on around half of the PS3 consoles they sold. Wii sold at a profit, and Xbox 360 sold at a loss, although not as large as the losses Sony made.

Define public perception. I'm presuming you mean PS fans? People can form their own stance, besides public perception.

@Skyfox2000
The 3DS is right there. That's why.

@unrandomsam
That's because they're separate devices. The Wii U and GamePad are essentially one device. If I want portable gaming, I'll buy a 3DS(which I already have).

@Jazzer94
Critics aren't the "rulers" of popularity, and short term success doesn't always mean long term success.

@Peach64
The GamePad needs to be sold with every Wii U, because it has a touch screen, and can be utilized by itself, or with your TV. The Wii U, as a conceot, isn't new(i.e. iPad + Apple TV, whatever Android does). The only difference is that you're getting it as one device, instead of 2, and it does things better the examples I gave in the parenthesis, for less than half the price.

@Jazzer94
That's why you give them time. Xbox One launched a few months ago. That isn't being very patient.

Microsoft and Nintendo have specifically said that the GamePad and Kinect are here to stay. How difficult is that to understand?

@Jazzer94
Making the Kinect and GamePad a requirement, IS competing against Sony.

You still didn't answer my question, and I know why.

@Jazzer94
Says who?

Wii U w/o the GamePad, and Xbox One w/o the Kinect, isn't going to happen.

@Doma
No.

@Doma
3DS is a mobile device.

@Peach64
DS had way more software. My guess is that that has effected sales.

@Peach64
Haha. If people want Nintendo to become a company that they aren't, and shouldn't be, screw them.

They're are making the right decision, and that matters more tham money.

I would rather buy NES Remix for $15, which is essentially the same thing.

I'm getting it, for sure. I'll be using a Circle Pad Pro XL.

Does this mean that there's going to be a patch for existing games to show Bandai-Namco, such as the logo in Tekken Tag 2?

I'm very concerned.

Ok, so this and Cult County are different projects. I was confused for a minute, there...

I agree on the Circle Pad Pro. I would use it for every game that supports it, most likely. Metal Gear, Nano Assault, Monster Hunter, and KH 3D make good use of it, IMO. I have the CPP XL.

I thought their FPS was called Cult County.

It looks decent. The big thing everyone wants from these games, is multiplayer. Hopefully this and Ironfall will be enough...

I just tied for 1st.

More people need to join my group.

I keeped getting screwed over.

I'm playing as Bowser.

Join my game, now.

@Fazermint
I was going to say the exact same thing.

It's common sense that an "anonymous source" could reveal confidential stuff, possibly on accident If he gets confidential info, he threatens someome else's job in exchange of bettering his own. It's being disrespectful to everyone involved.

I think PM handled the situation pretty well. It's definitely not honest work, considering the risk he put his source at(losing his job). Seriously, what was he even trying to prove? Any supposed news that he just made, was basically voided.

@Slapshot
There was still a chance, and you know it as much as I do. I said before, there have been lies or false claims. It's not that unwarranted to question a similar article.

The fact that one employee doesn't represent the entirety of a company, still stands.

I would hardly call this "EA source", a spokesman.

@JohnRedcorn
Good one.

@midnafanboy
"EA left the wiiu last year and left to help the ps4 and the xbox one"
^this^

@JohnRedcorn
Seriously, go ask Peter Moore on his Twitter, where the Wii U games are. That's the only way you'll get an answer, so I don't get why you keep bugging me.

@JohnRedcorn
Ya, and if we're asking where the Wii U games are, that doesn't have anything to do with Sony and Microsoft. Sony and Microsoft having announced games isn't the answer to where Wii U's games are.

@JohnRedcorn
We don't know what information EA and Nintendo are telling each other. Ask Peter Moore, not me. Go on his Twitter, and ask if they have any games for Wii U. I'm not EA's CEO, so I can't answer your question.

@JohnRedcorn
I'm not holding my breath. All this negativity doesn't indicate anything. That's all I'm trying to say. Who cares if an EA employee thinks Nintendo is for kids?

As I already said, EA's CEO just confirned that all this "dead" stuff, is BS. You're telling me that I don't know what's going on, but the CEO of EA just confirmed all the "blindness" that I have.

@JohnRedcorn
Ya. That was a year ago. EA CEO said this TODAY.

The whole articlle was about partnership, not their release schedule.

The only thing this guy said, that is true, is that Mass Effect was basically guaranteed to fail on launch day. So were alot of other games, because they were 7th gen. EA, Activision, Ubisoft, etc companies put games on the Wii U that were most likely going to be DOA.

If anything, that should show how strong their partnership is. They released a game for Wii U, knowing it wouldn't sell well.

@JohnRedcorn
He's not just one boss, he's THEE boss. He knows more about EA than the person who said this, 100%.

EDIT: None of us work at EA, and the CEO just told us that this story is BS. How much more information do you need to know?

@JohnRedcorn
One employee doesn't represent the entire outlook of a company. He doesn't have the position to be saying things like this. The guy will probably get fired now, so who cares what he says.

@Windy
Your post didn't make any sense. Are you actually trying to say that Wii U's hardware is below standard?

@Yorumi
There are legitimate EA employees that have spoken out about Nintendo, but their words don't represent the entirety of EA, so it ultimately doesn't matter.

There was that 1 EA guy that said that Wii U wasn't 8th gen, and Nintendo was horrible. People just lash out in weird ways, whether it's true or not.