@Krull Gamers who do have a lot of time on their hands (especially youtubers) certainly have more to look forward to on other consoles than what nintendo makes these days. Especially when it comes to third party games, since the switch versions are either as good or worse.
And back in the Sega Vs. Nintendo days, Nintendo was consistently better. even if you prefered sonic to mario, Nintendo's consoles always had a larger variety of games to play that were liked far more. Final Fantasy made a name for itself on Nintendo consoles, as did other games. The genesis ports were the least popular, more often than not. That's not to say that the genesis didn't have good games, phantasy star is still a thing. But as a gamer, you didn't need both consoles to have plenty of good games to play. you could choose one or the other and be happy.
But today? let's be honest. they ONLY thing that really makes the switch a good home console is exclusives, and there aren't too many of those. I would be downright bored and wanting for more if all I owned was the switch. Heck, the only reason I even want a gaming PC is due to the fact that I can mod games on it. other than that, my PS4 would be more than enough for me.
I will say this in the switch's favor though. I'm more interested in getting a switch, than I am an Xbox one. There's almost NOTHING on the Xbox that i want. So no, the switch isn't to bad of a console. but it's proof that Nintendo is a shell of what it used to be.
Also, not exactly sure what you mean by your statement about me wanting attention. if i did, i'd become a youtuber. There's plenty of people who agree with my views. I'm sure i'd become succesful enough. So no, this isn't attention seeking. It's simply me sharing my opinion with people who apparently don't want to hear it.
You know, i wonder what i'd have to do to get banned from this site? I seriously regret making an account here, and as long as I have one, i'm probably going to use it to share my opinion.
so the warriors games are doing poorly on the switch... huh, well that's interesting. seems the people who wanted to play them already have. I would say that this means that warriors fans aren't buying into the switch as much as i thought, but apparently, FE warriors is doing well enough. Guess most warriors fans who own a switch, also own other consoles.
So this is why people don't mind the fact that the switch doesn't have many good games. they haven't put their eggs all in one basket.
It's sad to say, but thats about the only way you can even be happy with nintendo consoles these days. There once was a time when nintendo was so good, you could ignore the competition. But nowadays? it's sad, it really is.
@LemonSlice Well, if you want to see it, there is at least one site out there that has it available to watch. I don't think I'm allowed to list sites like that here. Not sure if it has fan subs or not though.
@Agramonte agreed, that's why i don't completely deny buying the Switch. It has good games, but there's just not many on there for me yet. Heck, I'm saving up for a gaming PC myself.
You can't really say that a gaming PC is the same as an Xbox though. There's loads of good indie games that just don't come to consoles, or at least, the consoles I own. But they're on PC usually. Also, PC games get mods.
But yeah, the Vita is a nice looking system and it does have some good games on it, but if you have to chose between one or the other, the 3DS will likely win out in most cases due to not only having good games, but having many more of them. And also, it's cheaper, so a parent is more likely to buy it for both their kid AND themselves.
Can't deny though, I'd like to have a vita just to be able to play Hero of Leaf Valley again. That was one good harvest moon game...
@GC-161 Let's talk about that for a moment. Sonic sells better on Nintendo consoles... Ok.
The only multi platform sonic games to be released in oh... the past 11 years, were Sonic '06, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic 4, Sonic Generations and Sonic Mania.
only 4 of those were sold on Nintendo platforms, and Sonic 06 is utter garbage that NO ONE misses, so let's talk about Unleashed first.
When it comes to gameplay, it's hard to deny that the non Nintendo versions were better due to including hub worlds. However, the Wii dominated that generation due to it's motion controls. However, it also lacked many good games, so people who owned the console that wanted a decent experience had few options. And Sonic Unleashed certainly wasn't a bad choice, even without the hub worlds.
Next, Sonic 4. Now Episode 1 was released across the board. It was also hated by many 2D sonic critics. And Episode 2? That one didn't touch a Nintendo console despite being the better game.
And now Sonic Generations. This one didn't release on a home console for Nintendo, but it DID release on the 3DS, as an exclusively 2D experience that VASTLY differs from it's console counterpart on PS3 and 360. At the time, modern sonic games were still enjoyed by many sonic fans, but at the time, the outcry for 2D sonic was getting much louder, so naturally, an all 2D sonic game that played well? Why WOULDN'T fans jump on board?
The problem there is that they were two completely different games that shared the same name. So it's not that the 3DS version sold better. instead, the 3DS GAME sold better due to being what people asked for.
And now, Sonic Mania. I honestly don't know what to say here. I don't know sales figures, but I do know this. It's not a performance heavy game at all. So getting the Switch to run it shouldn't be hard. The only platform I think it did poorly on was PC and that was due to poor anti piracy software.
And as for the rest of the sonic games released since? They were all Nintendo exclusives due to an agreement. So of course the sales figures are going to be there.
With that said, why should Sega spend the extra resources to go just that extra mile? The appreciation of their fans? The very fans who pan the games they make? How well did Lost World do? And Sonic Boom? IIRC, they had POOR scores overall. So as a company, if people are saying "your games are garbage!", i'm not gonna put the extra effort into making a weaker version perfect for the ONE CONSOLE i make it for.
@Agramonte So just the 3DS then. I might be a Sony fan now (not a fanboy, just a fan) but even I'll admit that they shouldn't bother making a handheld as long as Nintendo's still doing it.
@GC-161 I don't blame sega for nintendo making a console that's not up to current gen standards, no.
Is it Square Enix's fault that DQH2 plays worse on the Switch than the PS4, especially in handheld mode? They even gave it s*** graphics and the switch STILL couldn't compete.
Think about it. Most of the GOTY material games on the switch are first party titles. And why is that? Because they were designed FOR THE SWITCH. a multi platform publisher shouldn't have to lower their standards for ONE CONSOLE that can't keep up. Nintendo does it not just because they can, but because if they don't, NO ONE ELSE WILL, and the console would be dead within a month.
That said, they are producing some FINE looking games for the console, and i'm VERY tempted to buy one closer to the XB2 and MP4 launch dates.
@NinNin Because people do that kind of thing a lot. I've done it in the past myself. Ditch a game on an old console just for the convenience of playing it on my new console. Of course, it was a fighting game, so i lost no real save data by switching.
@NinNin You say that like it's not many... considering the fact that the Wii U was a commercial flop, i'd say 700K is quite a bit.
That being said, most of the people who would buy this game again on the switch either had it already on the Wii U or probably played it on their other console. The only bonus here is portability. I mean sure, the Vita had it too, but that was a bigger flop than the Wii U I think.
The Rayman games are usually released on as many consoles as possible, even decades after release. Well, the good ones are anyway. So it is something to be expected. I mean, if it wasn't a working business strategy, they wouldn't do it. And if the games weren't good, it likely wouldn't work.
I'm honestly kinda surprised this sold well. Not only was it on other consoles first, one of those consoles was the Wii U. I guess Nintendo fans like buying a game more than once? ...Meh, it's the best portable way to play the game, so I'll give ya that. But still...
I don't like timed exclusives, but I don't think this works like they usually do. I'll either get the PC version or PS4 version. Not buying a switch until there's enough truly exclusive games that I want to play.
I just hope this doesn't become another MN9. But then, I would think that game was a lesson in how to not make a mega man clone.
You know what would REALLY make this a must buy? Add a Samus mode that lets you play through with Samus. Arm canon, unique weapons, all the good stuff. it would REALLY help hold people over for Metroid Prime 4 I think. Heck, i'd even consider getting the game again. And a switch to go with it.
Oh good, people are using a subjective term for a divisive game. And surprise surprise, people are debating it. Silly humans, opinions vary from person to person! As long as we've infested this planet, you'd think that would be universal knowledge by now, but apparently, it's not.
SSSSSSSSSSSenran Kagura Peach Beach Splash on my PS4 probably. If anything nintendo related, it'll be on my SNES classic. So maybe Kirby then. Or LTTP. Or SMRPG.
it'd be decent if you payed up front and the game wasn't designed to drain your wallet with microtransactions, but considering it is, I'll never accept it as a real Animal Crossing game.
My expectations are so low, they have disintegrated in the earths core. Problem is, this game will make nintendo loads of cash. I know this to be a fact, because mobile games make money. Especially when they have micro transactions.
Not saying all hope is lost, even Jim Sterling doesn't have a problem with well done micro transactions. But this type of game is perfect for implementing them.
I'm actually glad to see that the fans here are leery of them, even if it is a nintendo game.
@PtM nope. places like Gamestop do that. Trade ins do indeed kill sales. I do it. my cash is limited, so i'm not gonna drop $60 on a game I may not like just to trade it in for $25.
I'm saying that trade ins are great and buying used games helps people like me, but when you think about it, legality is the only reason people don't pirate games. If you can buy used, why not pirate? the company is out the cash either way.
If you don't use a timeframe, then people will just say "why should I even buy the game at all? someone will dump it almost as soon as it's released and i'll just get it that way." and with things like the 3DS emulator that exists, that's certainly possible.
A time frame benefits both sides. The people who want to pirate a game or buy it used for whatever reason (boycott, low cash, low interest, want to test before buying). and the companies who do lose the cash they've earned because of people who just don't give a damn.
But putting a set time limit may be troublesome. Maybe allow the window to vary? or maybe make it based on how much the game has earned?
And don't forget, people will still pay cash for the game after this time frame. Some people just like new copies of games. some do it to support the companies, some do it because they don't trust used games and some do it just because they like their copies to be new and untouched.
A compromise works out best for both sides. And besides, I'm just suggesting it. There's no way 1 person can enforce it. I don't really look at myself as an arbiter either. just a guy with an idea and a point to be made.
@NinNin Wow, I should've tried this method years ago. You're actually making my points for me. The whole "Piracy is evil!" argument people make nowadays makes no sense to me. You seen how pointless the arguments i was making were. You're completely right.
It is indeed NOT piracy to play a game that is out of print. As such, it shouldn't really be considered piracy to download said game and play it on an emulator.
And here's why. If there is indeed a legal alternative that allows for you to play a game without it's copyright holder making money, then the illegal methods should indeed be considered morally acceptable and for that matter, not illegal at all.
Buying a used game at one point was called "legal piracy". I understand the point of that statement but if the company's not making money either way, then who cares how I play the game?
However, companies need to make money to continue making games. With that in mind, I do believe that there should be a "do not pirate" time frame. Give the company time to make the money they have earned. because let's face it. the moment someone trades the game in, that's a lost future sale.
In short, i'm saying there should be a sort of compromise between those who fly the jolly roger, and those who seek to demonize them.
@NinNin "Someone purchased the cartridge, so the publisher already received money. If you argue that it's in the past, then if you buy a game today and play it tomorrow, it's the same as piracy because the publisher doesn't receive money tomorrow. That's nonsensical."
And thus you have proven my point.
These games aren't being made anymore, but they were once. Pirating them is no different than popping your old carts into your old console or a new clone console.
This point alone kills most arguments "anti piracy" people have. I'm not really stealing by playing a rom of an old console, because they're losing the same amount of money as if I bought the game from someone else and popped it into a clone SNES.
You made a statement that it's also easy to download the game from the e shop. And you're right. It's incredibly easy. But you're paying for the right to play the game on a modern console. why do that when you can just as easily pirate the game? morally, you're in clear, since they would still lose money if you went for cart and console.
@Dreamcaster-X Still, they allow you to play video games that were released years ago, which Nintendo is still trying to milk those same games today. Playing them on this console is, in effect, no different than piracy.
I'm not trying to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't do, but rather make a point and maybe start a conversation.
Using a console like this to play your old carts gives nintendo and other game copywright holders no cash at all, just like download a rom and running it on an emulator.
And to be honest, the emulators tend to work better than most of these clone consoles. Heck, even the SNES Classic has a few glitches here and there in my experience.
So, from a LEGAL standpoint, pirace bad, clone/original console good. But from a common sense standpoint and a moral standpoint, who honestly cares?
Nintendo isn't losing anything by me download a rom of Super Metroid because i could just as easily buy a used copy from Ebay and pop it into a SNES or clone console.
@Kayfios Yeah, I get that, but the cartridges exist now, and Nintendo isn't producing them anymore. They're just milking the games through VC.
So if I were to play the cartridge OR pirate the rom of it, either way, nintendo's still not making money on it. Playing the old cartridges is now comparable to piracy in terms of effect.
I'm not saying anyone SHOULD pirate games, but I do think this is worth discussing. Legally it's wrong. But morally? Financially?
@Menchi187 Less of a joke and more of a point of discussion that you nailed perfectly.
I'm actually kind of surprised this kind of thing is allowed to exist. It allows people to play their old games again instead of downloading them on virtual console shops.
And people still complain about piracy... LOL! proceeds to download Chrono Trigger to insert into SNES Classic
Also, I need to make a slight retraction. I'm not sure if this is news, but apparently, Blazblue Cross Tag Battle is indeed coming to Switch, so it's not a PS4 exclusive. It's listed along side PS4 and Steam at the end of the new character trailer:
@Thexare WO3 universe is technically done. Warriors All Stars does the same thing basically, except it doesn't have as many playable characters (30 in total), it's an all new story, and all of the demons are replaced with furries.
On the up side, the gameplay improvements make it a decent experience. Watch Jim Sterling's review of the game. He sums everything up nicely.
BTW, I happen to like furries, so that too is an upside for me.
@DEADCELL No, it's DW Empires 8. It's just a naming thing. In japan, after the first dynasty warriors game, the series was renamed slightly. Then, they started adding numbers after that. So they're 1 number behind on the names over there is all. And it's all because the very first Dynasty Warriors game was actually a fighting game, not a hack n slash.
@SakuraHaruka Clear enough. I'm not trying to impose my opinion and i'm sorry if it's coming off that way. But I have indeed stated facts that some people just deny. A lot of Nintendo fans are very dedicated to the company, and they reject opinions without much thought. So if someone like me is going to make an intelligent point, I have to use facts that are hard to deny. But try as I might, some people still refuse to accept the facts.
My opinion doesn't really matter. It's the facts that matter. And the fact is, many Nintendo fans, for whatever reason, feel a dedication to a company that listens to them far less than it should.
@raisenv There was little doubt that the 3DS would do well once Nintendo ironed out the kinks. Of course however, at the early stages, it did resemble the Switch's current situation.
That being said, you're right. The Switch is at far to early of a stage to make this kind of argument. However, i seriously doubt it will pick up. It may be successful in the end, but if Nintendo doesn't do something about the lack of decent games in the near future, handheld or not, I don't see much of a future for the console.
However, my point still stands. it's getting ports of old games, and it's ports aren't up to par with it's home console competition. The only way these ports are worth anything on the console is the possibility to play them on the go.
And honestly, I think that alone will be the console's selling point. There's no way a PS4 or PC can compete with that. Only question is, will people want it for that reason? Time will tell.
As for the site being full of ravenous nintendo fanboys, maybe it's not full of them, but there are indeed loads of them here.
And as for there being people on the site who own multiple systems, if they do, that's great. As a gamer, I'm glad to hear it.
I myself want the Switch. But my time is full, and most of the games I want to play are on PS4 and PC. If I had the extra cash, spare time and there was more than just BotW waiting for me on the Switch, i'd jump on it.
@SakuraHaruka 2 things. 1: grammar. learn it. 2: Your opinion is not better than mine. It's simply your opinion. My opinion is also not better than yours.
@raisenv that is indeed a fair point. But counterpoint: There's not much on the horizon that is exclusive to the switch that looks very good. Metroid Prime 4 and we haven't even seen any gameplay.
@KryptoKrunch No, microsoft and sony don't listen to their fans. But they do deliver a console that they enjoy. As for FE Warriors, fair enough, they listened to their fans. But I do recall Star Fox Zero's devs ignoring people's pleas for better controls, only to have the game fail at launch. and instead of giving metroid fans a new 2D metroid game, they instead gave them a remake of one of the least liked games in the franchise. Sure, people are liking it, but it's still not a "new" game.
And your last point, Splatoon 2 is basically Splatoon 1 with a few extra bells and whistles. the story is basically the same as well. At least from what i've heard. As for BotW, it's also available on Wii U. so it's not exclusive to the switch. As for Bomber man, how many times can you re-release the same game with a new coat of paint? bomber man is bomber man. The only real exceptions were the N64 and Bomber man and Max games, and the latter was stretching it a bit. So that leaves Arms, Mario+Rabbids, FE Warriors and Mario Odyssey. 4 truly new, exclusive games. Heck, i'll even give you Prime 4 and Xenoblade 2. 6 new exclusive games.
All while every port the console receives suffers from lower frame rates and lower quality graphics. Not to mention the fact that many of them are games that other consoles had long before now.
And yet on PS4, people are enjoying games like Horizon Zero Dawn, Persona 5, Uncharted 4, Gundam Versus, The Last Guardian, Final Fantasy 15 and will soon be enjoying Blazblue Cross Tag Battle. And this is only a few of the console exclusives.
And please note that i have shown no bias towards any of the games mentioned. I'm sure Splatoon 2 is a good game. And maybe it is indeed different enough from Splatoon 1 to call it a new game. But even added to your total, (would be 7) I have listed just as many PS4 exclusives, and can list more. You however, can't. Because you've exhausted your list. And I even added to it for you.
And then there's PC. Not to mention multi console games that just aren't on switch at all. Street Fighter 5 and Nier Automata to name two.
And they're all good, enjoyable games. Games that you, as a switch owner, are missing out on. are the games you listed that good? be honest with yourself. If you can honestly say "yes, i'd gladly take these games over the ones you've listed and the exclusives you haven't." and not have any hesitation, then there's nothing more for me to say.
@meppi SW4 was kind of fun, but SW4 II was better overall. And DWGundam 3 is old. DWGundam Reborn is newer and much better.
Oh, and you're not missing much with the Dragon Quest games. I beat the first one, and it was meh. I tried to like the second one, but despite it's improvements, it failed to impress me.
@edhe Guess I did sound like that a bit. But it's true. Switch is getting old games that aren't worth playing anymore. If you'd gotten a PS3 or PS4, you wouldn't have had to wait this long to play them. And what did you gain by getting a switch? Mario Odyssey , and upgraded versions of Splatoon and Mario Kart 8. That's it. You'd have been better off sticking with your Wii U.
I'm not saying Nintendo ONLY makes bad things. The 3DS is certainly worthwhile. better than the Vita, no question. I'm not a Sony, Microsoft or PC fanboy trying to tell you your console is bad. I'm a gamer trying to tell you your console is bad.
Better to jump ship than to sink with it. Look at NBA 2K18. A horrid greed fest of a game, that's only made worse by being released on the Switch. You seriously think that's worth championing?
N fans: "Alright! We're getting Dynasty Warriors 8 Empires!" Other fans: "Already had it." N fans: "So what? We've got Zelda and Mario!" Other fans: "I've got games like Zelda too. And I've got other platformers to replace Mario." N fans: "They're not as good though!" Other fans: "Why? Because they're not Zelda and Mario?" N fans: "Yes!" Other fans: "..."
Played WO3U on PS4. Played DW8E on PS3. Even bought DLC. Sold the games because I got bored with them after clearing them out. So Switch is finally getting them? Boring. Nothing to see here. Move along. Oh yes, PS4's getting DW9 soon. Oh, and we also have Warriors All Stars. So there's that.
Seriously guys, stop wasting time and money here. You deserve a real gaming system, so until Nintendo decides to LISTEN to their fans and make one, go PS4 or XB One, or heck, PC's got good games. Don't support Nintendo's dripfeed. You all deserve better.
@DairyOverdrive Port begging is a good way to gauge interest. You think they'd have taken Sony up on an offer of exclusivity if they thought they could make more money by going multi platform? And it's not even a guarantee Sony offered them cash.
Nintendo fans would rather believe the worst about Sony and Microsoft than accept that Nintendo just isn't what it used to be.
@ClassSonicSatAm I dunno, sonic forces is already disappointing people. I think it looks interesting though, so i'll wait and read through a few reviews before dropping cash on it.
I am a weirdo though: I actually enjoyed the werehog stages in Sonic Unleashed.
if there's one thing Ubisoft loves to do, it's port the heck out of rayman games. with that in mind, good game or not, how many people are willing to play through the same game yet again? i've had my fun with it, and it doesn't really scream "replay value" after the first run or two. I will admit to having played through twice, but there won't be a third run.
@Angelic_Lapras_King Fair point. I guess the game's reputation has it pretty well sunk. I tried to go back to it myself, but after having finished it once, I just wasn't up for fighting with it's problems again. And I didn't even have that many glitches when I played it.
Also, as a kid of the 90's, I know exactly what you're talking about.
@Angelic_Lapras_King '06 could have done without Silver for sure. I'd have kept Shadow though. Fix the glitches, remove the garbage "speed" sections from sonic's story, maybe tighten up shadow's controls and it would have been a much better game worthy of the Adventure titles it tried to emulate.
LOL! I guess I shouldn't be surprised that people are going to nitpick this game until they find something that makes them hate it.
Fanbases: Give them exactly what they want, and they'll tell you you're doing it wrong.
Sonic fanboys, please don't take this personally. the Dragon Ball fanbase and Mega Man fanbases are the same way. I should know, I sit squarely in both and hear it all.
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Re: Sonic Forces Struggles in Japan as Super Mario Odyssey and Switch Lead Charts
@Krull Gamers who do have a lot of time on their hands (especially youtubers) certainly have more to look forward to on other consoles than what nintendo makes these days. Especially when it comes to third party games, since the switch versions are either as good or worse.
And back in the Sega Vs. Nintendo days, Nintendo was consistently better. even if you prefered sonic to mario, Nintendo's consoles always had a larger variety of games to play that were liked far more. Final Fantasy made a name for itself on Nintendo consoles, as did other games. The genesis ports were the least popular, more often than not. That's not to say that the genesis didn't have good games, phantasy star is still a thing. But as a gamer, you didn't need both consoles to have plenty of good games to play. you could choose one or the other and be happy.
But today? let's be honest. they ONLY thing that really makes the switch a good home console is exclusives, and there aren't too many of those. I would be downright bored and wanting for more if all I owned was the switch. Heck, the only reason I even want a gaming PC is due to the fact that I can mod games on it. other than that, my PS4 would be more than enough for me.
I will say this in the switch's favor though. I'm more interested in getting a switch, than I am an Xbox one. There's almost NOTHING on the Xbox that i want. So no, the switch isn't to bad of a console. but it's proof that Nintendo is a shell of what it used to be.
Also, not exactly sure what you mean by your statement about me wanting attention. if i did, i'd become a youtuber. There's plenty of people who agree with my views. I'm sure i'd become succesful enough. So no, this isn't attention seeking. It's simply me sharing my opinion with people who apparently don't want to hear it.
You know, i wonder what i'd have to do to get banned from this site? I seriously regret making an account here, and as long as I have one, i'm probably going to use it to share my opinion.
Re: Sonic Forces Struggles in Japan as Super Mario Odyssey and Switch Lead Charts
so the warriors games are doing poorly on the switch... huh, well that's interesting. seems the people who wanted to play them already have. I would say that this means that warriors fans aren't buying into the switch as much as i thought, but apparently, FE warriors is doing well enough. Guess most warriors fans who own a switch, also own other consoles.
So this is why people don't mind the fact that the switch doesn't have many good games. they haven't put their eggs all in one basket.
It's sad to say, but thats about the only way you can even be happy with nintendo consoles these days. There once was a time when nintendo was so good, you could ignore the competition. But nowadays? it's sad, it really is.
Re: Nintendo is Close to a Major Deal for a New Mario Bros. Movie
@LemonSlice Well, if you want to see it, there is at least one site out there that has it available to watch. I don't think I'm allowed to list sites like that here. Not sure if it has fan subs or not though.
And yeah, it is pretty obscure. I learned about it through http://www.themushroomkingdom.net/ and that was years ago.
Apparently, there was also an anime series as well. Just found out about this one. http://www.themushroomkingdom.net/mania/anime_amada.shtml
Re: Nintendo is Close to a Major Deal for a New Mario Bros. Movie
@MonkiPlays HAHAHAHAHA! Everyone's calling this the second mario movie! HAHAHAHA!
Haaa... okay kids, time to take y'all ta school:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_Bros.:_Peach-Hime_Kyushutsu_Dai_Sakusen!
That's right, not only is it ANIMATED, but it's also ANIME, and came out YEARS before the live action movie. So yeah, this is the first Mario movie.
The new one would be the third.
Have fun with your newfound knowledge!
Re: Video: Digital Foundry's Analysis Points To Switch Sonic Forces Being The Worst Version
@Agramonte agreed, that's why i don't completely deny buying the Switch. It has good games, but there's just not many on there for me yet. Heck, I'm saving up for a gaming PC myself.
You can't really say that a gaming PC is the same as an Xbox though. There's loads of good indie games that just don't come to consoles, or at least, the consoles I own. But they're on PC usually. Also, PC games get mods.
But yeah, the Vita is a nice looking system and it does have some good games on it, but if you have to chose between one or the other, the 3DS will likely win out in most cases due to not only having good games, but having many more of them. And also, it's cheaper, so a parent is more likely to buy it for both their kid AND themselves.
Can't deny though, I'd like to have a vita just to be able to play Hero of Leaf Valley again. That was one good harvest moon game...
Re: Video: Digital Foundry's Analysis Points To Switch Sonic Forces Being The Worst Version
@GC-161 Let's talk about that for a moment. Sonic sells better on Nintendo consoles... Ok.
The only multi platform sonic games to be released in oh... the past 11 years, were Sonic '06, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic 4, Sonic Generations and Sonic Mania.
only 4 of those were sold on Nintendo platforms, and Sonic 06 is utter garbage that NO ONE misses, so let's talk about Unleashed first.
When it comes to gameplay, it's hard to deny that the non Nintendo versions were better due to including hub worlds. However, the Wii dominated that generation due to it's motion controls. However, it also lacked many good games, so people who owned the console that wanted a decent experience had few options. And Sonic Unleashed certainly wasn't a bad choice, even without the hub worlds.
Next, Sonic 4. Now Episode 1 was released across the board. It was also hated by many 2D sonic critics. And Episode 2? That one didn't touch a Nintendo console despite being the better game.
And now Sonic Generations. This one didn't release on a home console for Nintendo, but it DID release on the 3DS, as an exclusively 2D experience that VASTLY differs from it's console counterpart on PS3 and 360. At the time, modern sonic games were still enjoyed by many sonic fans, but at the time, the outcry for 2D sonic was getting much louder, so naturally, an all 2D sonic game that played well? Why WOULDN'T fans jump on board?
The problem there is that they were two completely different games that shared the same name. So it's not that the 3DS version sold better. instead, the 3DS GAME sold better due to being what people asked for.
And now, Sonic Mania. I honestly don't know what to say here. I don't know sales figures, but I do know this. It's not a performance heavy game at all. So getting the Switch to run it shouldn't be hard. The only platform I think it did poorly on was PC and that was due to poor anti piracy software.
And as for the rest of the sonic games released since? They were all Nintendo exclusives due to an agreement. So of course the sales figures are going to be there.
With that said, why should Sega spend the extra resources to go just that extra mile? The appreciation of their fans? The very fans who pan the games they make? How well did Lost World do? And Sonic Boom? IIRC, they had POOR scores overall. So as a company, if people are saying "your games are garbage!", i'm not gonna put the extra effort into making a weaker version perfect for the ONE CONSOLE i make it for.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry's Analysis Points To Switch Sonic Forces Being The Worst Version
@Agramonte So just the 3DS then. I might be a Sony fan now (not a fanboy, just a fan) but even I'll admit that they shouldn't bother making a handheld as long as Nintendo's still doing it.
Re: Video: Digital Foundry's Analysis Points To Switch Sonic Forces Being The Worst Version
@GC-161 I don't blame sega for nintendo making a console that's not up to current gen standards, no.
Is it Square Enix's fault that DQH2 plays worse on the Switch than the PS4, especially in handheld mode? They even gave it s*** graphics and the switch STILL couldn't compete.
Think about it. Most of the GOTY material games on the switch are first party titles. And why is that? Because they were designed FOR THE SWITCH. a multi platform publisher shouldn't have to lower their standards for ONE CONSOLE that can't keep up. Nintendo does it not just because they can, but because if they don't, NO ONE ELSE WILL, and the console would be dead within a month.
That said, they are producing some FINE looking games for the console, and i'm VERY tempted to buy one closer to the XB2 and MP4 launch dates.
Re: Rayman Legends: Definitive Edition Update Tackles Load Times and Framerate on Switch
@NinNin Because people do that kind of thing a lot. I've done it in the past myself. Ditch a game on an old console just for the convenience of playing it on my new console. Of course, it was a fighting game, so i lost no real save data by switching.
Re: Rayman Legends: Definitive Edition Update Tackles Load Times and Framerate on Switch
@NinNin You say that like it's not many... considering the fact that the Wii U was a commercial flop, i'd say 700K is quite a bit.
That being said, most of the people who would buy this game again on the switch either had it already on the Wii U or probably played it on their other console. The only bonus here is portability. I mean sure, the Vita had it too, but that was a bigger flop than the Wii U I think.
The Rayman games are usually released on as many consoles as possible, even decades after release. Well, the good ones are anyway. So it is something to be expected. I mean, if it wasn't a working business strategy, they wouldn't do it. And if the games weren't good, it likely wouldn't work.
Re: Rayman Legends: Definitive Edition Update Tackles Load Times and Framerate on Switch
I'm honestly kinda surprised this sold well. Not only was it on other consoles first, one of those consoles was the Wii U. I guess Nintendo fans like buying a game more than once? ...Meh, it's the best portable way to play the game, so I'll give ya that. But still...
Re: Random: Say Goodbye To Miiverse With This Touching Tribute
My last respects... ok.
DING DONG THIS S*** IS DEAD!
Seriously, nothing of value is being lost.
Re: Super Mighty Power Man Is The Mega Man Game You Always Wanted On Switch
I don't like timed exclusives, but I don't think this works like they usually do. I'll either get the PC version or PS4 version. Not buying a switch until there's enough truly exclusive games that I want to play.
I just hope this doesn't become another MN9. But then, I would think that game was a lesson in how to not make a mega man clone.
Re: Random: Did Reggie Just Accidentally Reveal Switch's Next Big Game Announcement?
while it wouldn't surprise me, he could be referencing the fact that Retro has worked on both series in the past.
Re: Bethesda Adopts "Popular Internet Saying" To Promote DOOM On Switch
You know what would REALLY make this a must buy? Add a Samus mode that lets you play through with Samus. Arm canon, unique weapons, all the good stuff. it would REALLY help hold people over for Metroid Prime 4 I think. Heck, i'd even consider getting the game again. And a switch to go with it.
Re: Existential Adventure Night In The Woods Could Be Coming To The Switch
Normally, I'd say something about how this is old or whatever, but if ANY of you have yet to play this, fix that ASAP. This one's good. I loved it.
Re: Super Mario Odyssey Is The Best Rated Game Of All Time
Oh good, people are using a subjective term for a divisive game. And surprise surprise, people are debating it. Silly humans, opinions vary from person to person! As long as we've infested this planet, you'd think that would be universal knowledge by now, but apparently, it's not.
Re: Talking Point: What Games Are You Playing This Weekend? - Halloween Edition
SSSSSSSSSSSenran Kagura Peach Beach Splash on my PS4 probably. If anything nintendo related, it'll be on my SNES classic. So maybe Kirby then. Or LTTP. Or SMRPG.
Re: Animal Crossing: Pocket Camp Will Arrive on Mobile in Late November
it'd be decent if you payed up front and the game wasn't designed to drain your wallet with microtransactions, but considering it is, I'll never accept it as a real Animal Crossing game.
Re: Feature: Five Things We Expect from the Animal Crossing Mobile Direct
My expectations are so low, they have disintegrated in the earths core. Problem is, this game will make nintendo loads of cash. I know this to be a fact, because mobile games make money. Especially when they have micro transactions.
Not saying all hope is lost, even Jim Sterling doesn't have a problem with well done micro transactions. But this type of game is perfect for implementing them.
I'm actually glad to see that the fans here are leery of them, even if it is a nintendo game.
Re: The Analogue Super Nt Is The Ultimate SNES Clone, And You Can Pre-Order Now
@PtM nope. places like Gamestop do that. Trade ins do indeed kill sales. I do it. my cash is limited, so i'm not gonna drop $60 on a game I may not like just to trade it in for $25.
I'm saying that trade ins are great and buying used games helps people like me, but when you think about it, legality is the only reason people don't pirate games. If you can buy used, why not pirate? the company is out the cash either way.
If you don't use a timeframe, then people will just say "why should I even buy the game at all? someone will dump it almost as soon as it's released and i'll just get it that way." and with things like the 3DS emulator that exists, that's certainly possible.
A time frame benefits both sides. The people who want to pirate a game or buy it used for whatever reason (boycott, low cash, low interest, want to test before buying). and the companies who do lose the cash they've earned because of people who just don't give a damn.
But putting a set time limit may be troublesome. Maybe allow the window to vary? or maybe make it based on how much the game has earned?
And don't forget, people will still pay cash for the game after this time frame. Some people just like new copies of games. some do it to support the companies, some do it because they don't trust used games and some do it just because they like their copies to be new and untouched.
A compromise works out best for both sides. And besides, I'm just suggesting it. There's no way 1 person can enforce it. I don't really look at myself as an arbiter either. just a guy with an idea and a point to be made.
Re: The Analogue Super Nt Is The Ultimate SNES Clone, And You Can Pre-Order Now
@NinNin Wow, I should've tried this method years ago. You're actually making my points for me. The whole "Piracy is evil!" argument people make nowadays makes no sense to me. You seen how pointless the arguments i was making were. You're completely right.
It is indeed NOT piracy to play a game that is out of print. As such, it shouldn't really be considered piracy to download said game and play it on an emulator.
And here's why. If there is indeed a legal alternative that allows for you to play a game without it's copyright holder making money, then the illegal methods should indeed be considered morally acceptable and for that matter, not illegal at all.
Buying a used game at one point was called "legal piracy". I understand the point of that statement but if the company's not making money either way, then who cares how I play the game?
However, companies need to make money to continue making games. With that in mind, I do believe that there should be a "do not pirate" time frame. Give the company time to make the money they have earned. because let's face it. the moment someone trades the game in, that's a lost future sale.
In short, i'm saying there should be a sort of compromise between those who fly the jolly roger, and those who seek to demonize them.
Re: The Analogue Super Nt Is The Ultimate SNES Clone, And You Can Pre-Order Now
@NinNin "Someone purchased the cartridge, so the publisher already received money. If you argue that it's in the past, then if you buy a game today and play it tomorrow, it's the same as piracy because the publisher doesn't receive money tomorrow. That's nonsensical."
And thus you have proven my point.
These games aren't being made anymore, but they were once. Pirating them is no different than popping your old carts into your old console or a new clone console.
This point alone kills most arguments "anti piracy" people have. I'm not really stealing by playing a rom of an old console, because they're losing the same amount of money as if I bought the game from someone else and popped it into a clone SNES.
You made a statement that it's also easy to download the game from the e shop. And you're right. It's incredibly easy. But you're paying for the right to play the game on a modern console. why do that when you can just as easily pirate the game? morally, you're in clear, since they would still lose money if you went for cart and console.
Re: The Analogue Super Nt Is The Ultimate SNES Clone, And You Can Pre-Order Now
@Dreamcaster-X Still, they allow you to play video games that were released years ago, which Nintendo is still trying to milk those same games today. Playing them on this console is, in effect, no different than piracy.
I'm not trying to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't do, but rather make a point and maybe start a conversation.
Using a console like this to play your old carts gives nintendo and other game copywright holders no cash at all, just like download a rom and running it on an emulator.
And to be honest, the emulators tend to work better than most of these clone consoles. Heck, even the SNES Classic has a few glitches here and there in my experience.
So, from a LEGAL standpoint, pirace bad, clone/original console good. But from a common sense standpoint and a moral standpoint, who honestly cares?
Nintendo isn't losing anything by me download a rom of Super Metroid because i could just as easily buy a used copy from Ebay and pop it into a SNES or clone console.
Re: The Analogue Super Nt Is The Ultimate SNES Clone, And You Can Pre-Order Now
@Kayfios Yeah, I get that, but the cartridges exist now, and Nintendo isn't producing them anymore. They're just milking the games through VC.
So if I were to play the cartridge OR pirate the rom of it, either way, nintendo's still not making money on it. Playing the old cartridges is now comparable to piracy in terms of effect.
I'm not saying anyone SHOULD pirate games, but I do think this is worth discussing. Legally it's wrong. But morally? Financially?
@Menchi187 Less of a joke and more of a point of discussion that you nailed perfectly.
Re: The Analogue Super Nt Is The Ultimate SNES Clone, And You Can Pre-Order Now
I'm actually kind of surprised this kind of thing is allowed to exist. It allows people to play their old games again instead of downloading them on virtual console shops.
And people still complain about piracy... LOL! proceeds to download Chrono Trigger to insert into SNES Classic
Re: Take a Look at Three Musou / Warriors Games Heading to Switch in Japan
@bluesdance Actually, i hate all sports equally.
Also, I need to make a slight retraction. I'm not sure if this is news, but apparently, Blazblue Cross Tag Battle is indeed coming to Switch, so it's not a PS4 exclusive. It's listed along side PS4 and Steam at the end of the new character trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGY-JDYidlY
Re: Take a Look at Three Musou / Warriors Games Heading to Switch in Japan
@Thexare WO3 universe is technically done. Warriors All Stars does the same thing basically, except it doesn't have as many playable characters (30 in total), it's an all new story, and all of the demons are replaced with furries.
On the up side, the gameplay improvements make it a decent experience. Watch Jim Sterling's review of the game. He sums everything up nicely.
BTW, I happen to like furries, so that too is an upside for me.
Re: Take a Look at Three Musou / Warriors Games Heading to Switch in Japan
@DEADCELL No, it's DW Empires 8. It's just a naming thing. In japan, after the first dynasty warriors game, the series was renamed slightly. Then, they started adding numbers after that. So they're 1 number behind on the names over there is all. And it's all because the very first Dynasty Warriors game was actually a fighting game, not a hack n slash.
@Steel76 @OGGamer agreed.
Re: Take a Look at Three Musou / Warriors Games Heading to Switch in Japan
@SakuraHaruka Clear enough. I'm not trying to impose my opinion and i'm sorry if it's coming off that way. But I have indeed stated facts that some people just deny. A lot of Nintendo fans are very dedicated to the company, and they reject opinions without much thought. So if someone like me is going to make an intelligent point, I have to use facts that are hard to deny. But try as I might, some people still refuse to accept the facts.
My opinion doesn't really matter. It's the facts that matter. And the fact is, many Nintendo fans, for whatever reason, feel a dedication to a company that listens to them far less than it should.
@raisenv There was little doubt that the 3DS would do well once Nintendo ironed out the kinks. Of course however, at the early stages, it did resemble the Switch's current situation.
That being said, you're right. The Switch is at far to early of a stage to make this kind of argument. However, i seriously doubt it will pick up. It may be successful in the end, but if Nintendo doesn't do something about the lack of decent games in the near future, handheld or not, I don't see much of a future for the console.
However, my point still stands. it's getting ports of old games, and it's ports aren't up to par with it's home console competition. The only way these ports are worth anything on the console is the possibility to play them on the go.
And honestly, I think that alone will be the console's selling point. There's no way a PS4 or PC can compete with that. Only question is, will people want it for that reason? Time will tell.
As for the site being full of ravenous nintendo fanboys, maybe it's not full of them, but there are indeed loads of them here.
And as for there being people on the site who own multiple systems, if they do, that's great. As a gamer, I'm glad to hear it.
I myself want the Switch. But my time is full, and most of the games I want to play are on PS4 and PC. If I had the extra cash, spare time and there was more than just BotW waiting for me on the Switch, i'd jump on it.
Re: Take a Look at Three Musou / Warriors Games Heading to Switch in Japan
@SakuraHaruka 2 things. 1: grammar. learn it. 2: Your opinion is not better than mine. It's simply your opinion. My opinion is also not better than yours.
@raisenv that is indeed a fair point. But counterpoint: There's not much on the horizon that is exclusive to the switch that looks very good. Metroid Prime 4 and we haven't even seen any gameplay.
@KryptoKrunch No, microsoft and sony don't listen to their fans. But they do deliver a console that they enjoy. As for FE Warriors, fair enough, they listened to their fans. But I do recall Star Fox Zero's devs ignoring people's pleas for better controls, only to have the game fail at launch. and instead of giving metroid fans a new 2D metroid game, they instead gave them a remake of one of the least liked games in the franchise. Sure, people are liking it, but it's still not a "new" game.
And your last point, Splatoon 2 is basically Splatoon 1 with a few extra bells and whistles. the story is basically the same as well. At least from what i've heard. As for BotW, it's also available on Wii U. so it's not exclusive to the switch. As for Bomber man, how many times can you re-release the same game with a new coat of paint? bomber man is bomber man. The only real exceptions were the N64 and Bomber man and Max games, and the latter was stretching it a bit. So that leaves Arms, Mario+Rabbids, FE Warriors and Mario Odyssey. 4 truly new, exclusive games. Heck, i'll even give you Prime 4 and Xenoblade 2. 6 new exclusive games.
All while every port the console receives suffers from lower frame rates and lower quality graphics. Not to mention the fact that many of them are games that other consoles had long before now.
And yet on PS4, people are enjoying games like Horizon Zero Dawn, Persona 5, Uncharted 4, Gundam Versus, The Last Guardian, Final Fantasy 15 and will soon be enjoying Blazblue Cross Tag Battle. And this is only a few of the console exclusives.
And please note that i have shown no bias towards any of the games mentioned. I'm sure Splatoon 2 is a good game. And maybe it is indeed different enough from Splatoon 1 to call it a new game. But even added to your total, (would be 7) I have listed just as many PS4 exclusives, and can list more. You however, can't. Because you've exhausted your list. And I even added to it for you.
And then there's PC. Not to mention multi console games that just aren't on switch at all. Street Fighter 5 and Nier Automata to name two.
And they're all good, enjoyable games. Games that you, as a switch owner, are missing out on. are the games you listed that good? be honest with yourself. If you can honestly say "yes, i'd gladly take these games over the ones you've listed and the exclusives you haven't." and not have any hesitation, then there's nothing more for me to say.
Re: Take a Look at Three Musou / Warriors Games Heading to Switch in Japan
@meppi SW4 was kind of fun, but SW4 II was better overall. And DWGundam 3 is old. DWGundam Reborn is newer and much better.
Oh, and you're not missing much with the Dragon Quest games. I beat the first one, and it was meh. I tried to like the second one, but despite it's improvements, it failed to impress me.
Re: Take a Look at Three Musou / Warriors Games Heading to Switch in Japan
@edhe Guess I did sound like that a bit. But it's true. Switch is getting old games that aren't worth playing anymore. If you'd gotten a PS3 or PS4, you wouldn't have had to wait this long to play them. And what did you gain by getting a switch? Mario Odyssey , and upgraded versions of Splatoon and Mario Kart 8. That's it. You'd have been better off sticking with your Wii U.
I'm not saying Nintendo ONLY makes bad things. The 3DS is certainly worthwhile. better than the Vita, no question. I'm not a Sony, Microsoft or PC fanboy trying to tell you your console is bad. I'm a gamer trying to tell you your console is bad.
Better to jump ship than to sink with it. Look at NBA 2K18. A horrid greed fest of a game, that's only made worse by being released on the Switch. You seriously think that's worth championing?
N fans: "Alright! We're getting Dynasty Warriors 8 Empires!"
Other fans: "Already had it."
N fans: "So what? We've got Zelda and Mario!"
Other fans: "I've got games like Zelda too. And I've got other platformers to replace Mario."
N fans: "They're not as good though!"
Other fans: "Why? Because they're not Zelda and Mario?"
N fans: "Yes!"
Other fans: "..."
Re: Take a Look at Three Musou / Warriors Games Heading to Switch in Japan
Played WO3U on PS4. Played DW8E on PS3. Even bought DLC. Sold the games because I got bored with them after clearing them out. So Switch is finally getting them? Boring. Nothing to see here. Move along. Oh yes, PS4's getting DW9 soon. Oh, and we also have Warriors All Stars. So there's that.
Seriously guys, stop wasting time and money here. You deserve a real gaming system, so until Nintendo decides to LISTEN to their fans and make one, go PS4 or XB One, or heck, PC's got good games. Don't support Nintendo's dripfeed. You all deserve better.
Re: Square Enix Explains Why The Secret Of Mana Remake Isn't Coming To Switch
@DairyOverdrive Port begging is a good way to gauge interest. You think they'd have taken Sony up on an offer of exclusivity if they thought they could make more money by going multi platform? And it's not even a guarantee Sony offered them cash.
Nintendo fans would rather believe the worst about Sony and Microsoft than accept that Nintendo just isn't what it used to be.
Re: Random: Super Mario World Artist Confirms Mario Really Was A Jerk To Yoshi
From Game Theory to Game Fact! Mat Pat called it! And people doubted him! Suck it haters!
Re: Video: Check Out the Opening Cinematic for Sonic Mania
@ClassSonicSatAm I dunno, sonic forces is already disappointing people. I think it looks interesting though, so i'll wait and read through a few reviews before dropping cash on it.
I am a weirdo though: I actually enjoyed the werehog stages in Sonic Unleashed.
Re: The Rayman Legends: Definitive Edition Demo is Live, For Real This Time
if there's one thing Ubisoft loves to do, it's port the heck out of rayman games. with that in mind, good game or not, how many people are willing to play through the same game yet again? i've had my fun with it, and it doesn't really scream "replay value" after the first run or two. I will admit to having played through twice, but there won't be a third run.
Re: Video: Check Out the Opening Cinematic for Sonic Mania
@Angelic_Lapras_King Fair point. I guess the game's reputation has it pretty well sunk. I tried to go back to it myself, but after having finished it once, I just wasn't up for fighting with it's problems again. And I didn't even have that many glitches when I played it.
Also, as a kid of the 90's, I know exactly what you're talking about.
Re: Video: Check Out the Opening Cinematic for Sonic Mania
@Angelic_Lapras_King '06 could have done without Silver for sure. I'd have kept Shadow though. Fix the glitches, remove the garbage "speed" sections from sonic's story, maybe tighten up shadow's controls and it would have been a much better game worthy of the Adventure titles it tried to emulate.
Re: Video: Check Out the Opening Cinematic for Sonic Mania
LOL! I guess I shouldn't be surprised that people are going to nitpick this game until they find something that makes them hate it.
Fanbases: Give them exactly what they want, and they'll tell you you're doing it wrong.
Sonic fanboys, please don't take this personally. the Dragon Ball fanbase and Mega Man fanbases are the same way. I should know, I sit squarely in both and hear it all.