This article is about whether handheld consoles (or even any dedicated gaming hardware) can compete with Smart Devices. The answer is clearly: 'Yes'. Especially when the 3DS is more or less still the number 1 selling video gaming system right now!
I really don't see any issues with this, apart from it maybe a 'declining' market.
In fact I think 'smart devices' can actually help dedicated handhelds in particular in a way. Especially if it gets the customer used to buying online digital content on a large mass.
Also you have to take in Nintendo's business model for system releases. People initially buy Nintendo systems for one or two quality titles; then the install base grows from there with the library of titles increasing. This causes a chain reaction through word of mouth and then this further increases the install base/choices of titles.
It's completely different to the smart devices market.
Personally, I have faith in competitive free markets to know that quality always shines through.
Yeah, but people are failing to look at the overall picture here.
There are already billions of smart devices already out there, but just last week the 3DS was still the best selling gaming hardware console! (Certainly more than the Xbox 'One', which is doing poorly!)
Smart devices probably do have an impact, but it will never be a real games systems offering quality content. I really do believe that.
wow, well that sound like a collection someone would have on an portable PC! It's still not the high level of output Nintendo publishes on the 3DS though!
And how can it be denial, when the 3DS still outsells all other consoles systems on alternative weeks?
Despite some people defending these smart devices, they really do need proper controls, and quality content. This would also cost more money, so these apps cannot be 'free' or ad supported for long. Even kids aren't that stupid, they understand that Mario and Pokemon are quality titles and the ones that realize this do ask for a dedicated handheld, the ones that don't well they are just not interested in it.
I just feel, these smart devices are at their limit. It probably has an similar affect, like PC gaming has on the home console business.
At the moment the gaming audience is overlapping between:
PC to Home Console to Handheld Consoles to Smart Devices
The whole industry may be stretched from 'AAA' development to smart device developers. It's a real fragmented market, that I don't see any major changes soon. Only a slight merger between Handheld and Home consoles is possible in the near future.
I think cloud computing won't change anything. Even if it does take off, it's just an delivery system. I still think companies will find ways to bring out hardware as needed.
well maybe, there's room for an handheld that has an home console output, like a Playstation TV. You can still have a main home console, if you are going for power.
This is why an Hybrid Home/Handheld console is an good idea, that will happen. We are seeing an indication of it slowly, with Playstation TV and Wii U emulation of the DS library.
I think that's the next logical step forward..................
There is a strong relationship between handheld/home consoles then people like to believe.
@Sean_Aaron no, it's reality. If a child never uses a joypad how would they make a judgement otherwise? Try thinking outside of your own experience and preference. The only thing that will matter to kids growing up with touch controls is whether a game is fun to play. Hell d-pads and buttons aren't the best controls for all kinds of games either - I used to think the Nintendo NES pad was crap compared to a proper joystick!
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Christ, with that sort of thinking, it's a wonder how the hell anyone got into d-pads and joysticks, analog sticks in the first place! Fact is these are still the best control mechanism for game play.
The sole touch-screen experience is actually very shallow and limited.
Nintendo competes in the gaming industry with other dedicated gaming devices. It really, doesn't compete with PCs/Tablets and Phones. How do N stay relevant in the handheld console space? By creating kick-ass games that shift systems.
And yes, as far as I am concerned some fundamental things never change, such as: creating harmonious content between software and its hardware.
@Sean_Aaron . A child that doesn't grow up using a joypad isn't going to miss it. It will be interesting to see how Nintendo continues to be relevant in this space.
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Utter nonsense, unless you think the touch screen is the all supreme game mechanic for controls in gaming!
Unless these smart devices can implement proper game controls, it will never top a dedicated games console/handheld.
I actually think there's going to be some sort of gaming crash too, due to over fragmentation of the market. Playstation TV indicates that even Sony want some kind home console/handheld merger and the Wii U emulating DS games points in the same direction.
With so many devices on the market, I really do think we are overstretched. Even PS4/One, home consoles are not safe, with increasing console/handhelds ports/releases.
Nintendo just need to stick with making gaming the most in depth and pleasant experience possible. People will see the quality. More importantly, there's a market for quality gaming.
Wii U will probably get the odd AAA title release, probably later then on the PS4/One. But as everyone says its main focus is that these systems are designed for selling their own published content.
Nintendo has never released a system, where the top selling title was 3rd party published. I think that says it all really.
They care about their install base and selling their own content and then 3rd parties can join in. Which is how really a platform/publisher should see things. Microsoft and Sony have ulterior motives, that's got to do with these systems being mass media living room hubs. Nintendo is fighting against that sort of mentally.
Tutorials are fine, but hand holding to me is what you get in GTA. On screen prompts telling you to do this now and now do that!
Even MGS, which some people say is an interactive movie (I don't) doesn't give out on screen instructions, though it does tell you what to do via the team backing you up on radio.
You could tell at E3 2012 that Nintendo were not expecting the Wii U to match the sucess of the Wii. I see no option for Nintendo but to continue to see out the Wii U for the next 3-4 years with compelling 1st party output. Then, what they do after that will be interesting.
Nintendo are investing in online services, like eshop, miiVerse and the latest Nintendo Network ID surely points that in the right direction.
Once they get into the 'smart devices' business, there will be no letting go.The next Investor pressure will be micro-transactions up the a**!
Unfortunetely, this is what mobile casual gamers seem to be wanting! So something all 'real' game publishers should be avoiding, as there are so many mobile publishers operating on cow cash game designs as it is!!!
Nintendo need to explain their sales decline and their loss. But stop blaming Iwata. Iwata found out what was wrong with the company in 2003 and fixed it. Again, things are f*** up, but instead of blaming people for the f** up. I wish people understand the reasons behind it!
I am sure Iwata will find out what's f***ed up and fix it!
Personally, I think by building the Nintendo eshop and miiverse; things are going in the right direction as far as their digital ecosystem is concerned.
Moving full versions of Ninty games on 'smart devices' won't do a damm thing, I am afraid.
I don't understand it. Nintendo already has the best selling video game hardware of last year. Moving them onto smartphones would just de-value their offerings. Besides Playstation mobile has not done a damm thing for Sony! And they are not exactly too keen to put Teraway or Gravity Rush or anything else that is a flop on the Vita to smart devices.
This after all the investment they have put into buliding their eshop. It just doesn't make sense at all. The future of Nintendo is their own digital ecosystem they are building. Invest in that, and take the losses now for future gain.
Microsoft is facing an 'Structural Problem'; even in the glory days of the 360, investors were calling for them to ditch the business, since it was not profitable enough over the long term periods. And when the business is profitable, the returns are not worth it.
And now the whole Xbox brand is performing even more poorly.
I wonder which of the investors are more powerful: Microsoft investors calling them to spin off the Xbox division (which would mean all the big budget clout the Xbox brand has will be over - no more big losses of expensive hardware and an cut-down 1st party line up) or Nintendo's so called investors calling for software to be published outside an Nintendo system??
Sometimes, you just have to face up to the bad times.
No one talks about Sony and Microsoft losing $6 billion in the previous generation. Nor do they talk about the great sucess of Sony's PS2, in which during that period Nintendo was more profitable and the orignal Xbox was a total financial disaster.
Fact is that business models are changing and responding to those changes is going to require an greater investment, mainly in hard online infrastructure and building your own digital ecosystem.
But one thing Nintendo won't do is build a generic PC .x86 Box!! That would be the wrong thing for them and us.
What would be really difficult to accept for Nintendo: is an non-Nintendo published title being the top seller of their particular system!
I can't imagine it, because I don't think it has ever happened before and it would seem strange. It would hurt Nintendo's pride so much and they would lose their edge.
Yes, another Mario game... that's all Nintendo 'haters' do. Why are you wasting your time here? It's clear that you appreciate Nintendo games and we all want Nintendo to be doing great but there are no easy answers.
Do you remember Super Mario Sunshine being too different and not like a Mario game.. and the game was not well recieved, despite the great design?
So Nintendo just can't win. People want the same and yet they want it to be different.
At the end of the day, Nintendo does not ask for any favours from any consumer and they compete in a very open competitive market.
Nintendo competes by being UNIQUE. Not by being a PC in a Box, with ripped off Nintendo controller designs!
The last 10 years of Nintendo's sucess should tell you that.
UNIQUE both in hardware and software design! That is what they are.
Not knocking the One and the PS4, but even they know they have to watch Nintendo's back, just in case.
Nintendo prefers to be that small Japanese card company that shocks the world from time to time.
And that is what they are good at. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. But their games are absolutely fab, and the core gamer will always know this. I know I will always support great games.
Personally, I don't want Nintendo to be like Playstation or Xbox and lose focus on the core gaming business. Don't forget Sony/MSFT are in this business in order to sell us something else and build their network media services!
The balance sheet?! Ignoring the fact that Microsoft has never made a profit out of Xbox and the PS3 completely wiped out all profits from the PS1 and PS2.
Which is why people say Nintendo is 'irrelevant', rather than going bust!
In market share terms, they've lost ground and possibly losing ground, but the bottom line is still strong. In fact they are probably still going to post a profit in the years end, while Microsoft and Sony will hide their losses.
Financially, Nintendo are in a stronger position than they where in 1994 when the Playstation came out and even stronger than in 2001, when the Microsoft entered the industry.
The whole world at the moment is Playstation territory. Even the One is gonna have a hard time going against it!
But Knack is a Crap SCE Japan Studio title! Why couldn't have ICO or Shadow of the Colossus sold better? Of course the final figures aren't in yet, and Nintendo may well bundle Mario 3D World in the future.
But who cares? I know that Nintendo overall are in a strong position and a good game is a good game, despite sales figures!
I hate it when people say this sort of stuff. It's like saying that no-one should be able to challenge Sony or Microsoft, because they are getting 'higher' sales!
When you look like that, it should sound really stupid.
Nintendo should do well enough, but you can't compare the Wii U to the PS4/One, it's just now in a different space.
Sometimes and in fact a lot of the times, bad games outsell the really good ones and unfortunetely we may be seeing that right now. But the quailty of Nintendo should shine through after the hype of the PS4/One has quieten down if never really totally dissipating.
I would not mind if the XB1 had brilliant titles. But no, actually the launch titles are actually quite poor, terribly designed, with just graphics flashed up.
Very high, Ps4 and XB1 sales could also result in higher wii U sales. Especially, if the PS4/XB1 titles become generic and boring. Don't forget that the Wii U will almost likely to be always cheaper than the PS4/XB1.
errr, well, personally I don't think online modes work for every game and for co-op Mario things could get difficult with lag, in such a fast response platformer.
But when Nintendo do decide to make a platformer that plays fully online, it should be done perfectly and that requires designing the game from the ground up with online in mind. This requires lots of additional tests and servers, so it's not something that can be pulled off easily.
You also want to avoid high profile server crashes, that have occured from other apparent high quailty publishers.
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Re: EA Explains Why It's Abandoning Dedicated Handhelds For Smartphones And Tablets
This is just EA running scared again, knowing full well, they cannot match Nintendo's quality output on their handheld console.
Re: Stats Suggest That UK Kids Are More Likely To Game On A Tablet Than A Nintendo 3DS
@electrolite77
This article is about whether handheld consoles (or even any dedicated gaming hardware) can compete with Smart Devices. The answer is clearly: 'Yes'. Especially when the 3DS is more or less still the number 1 selling video gaming system right now!
I really don't see any issues with this, apart from it maybe a 'declining' market.
In fact I think 'smart devices' can actually help dedicated handhelds in particular in a way. Especially if it gets the customer used to buying online digital content on a large mass.
Also you have to take in Nintendo's business model for system releases. People initially buy Nintendo systems for one or two quality titles; then the install base grows from there with the library of titles increasing. This causes a chain reaction through word of mouth and then this further increases the install base/choices of titles.
It's completely different to the smart devices market.
Personally, I have faith in competitive free markets to know that quality always shines through.
Re: Stats Suggest That UK Kids Are More Likely To Game On A Tablet Than A Nintendo 3DS
@Kisame83
Yeah, but people are failing to look at the overall picture here.
There are already billions of smart devices already out there, but just last week the 3DS was still the best selling gaming hardware console! (Certainly more than the Xbox 'One', which is doing poorly!)
Smart devices probably do have an impact, but it will never be a real games systems offering quality content. I really do believe that.
Re: Stats Suggest That UK Kids Are More Likely To Game On A Tablet Than A Nintendo 3DS
@electrolite77
wow, well that sound like a collection someone would have on an portable PC! It's still not the high level of output Nintendo publishes on the 3DS though!
And how can it be denial, when the 3DS still outsells all other consoles systems on alternative weeks?
Re: Stats Suggest That UK Kids Are More Likely To Game On A Tablet Than A Nintendo 3DS
Despite some people defending these smart devices, they really do need proper controls, and quality content. This would also cost more money, so these apps cannot be 'free' or ad supported for long. Even kids aren't that stupid, they understand that Mario and Pokemon are quality titles and the ones that realize this do ask for a dedicated handheld, the ones that don't well they are just not interested in it.
I just feel, these smart devices are at their limit. It probably has an similar affect, like PC gaming has on the home console business.
At the moment the gaming audience is overlapping between:
PC to Home Console to Handheld Consoles to Smart Devices
The whole industry may be stretched from 'AAA' development to smart device developers. It's a real fragmented market, that I don't see any major changes soon. Only a slight merger between Handheld and Home consoles is possible in the near future.
Re: Stats Suggest That UK Kids Are More Likely To Game On A Tablet Than A Nintendo 3DS
@SomeBitTripFan
I think cloud computing won't change anything. Even if it does take off, it's just an delivery system. I still think companies will find ways to bring out hardware as needed.
Re: Stats Suggest That UK Kids Are More Likely To Game On A Tablet Than A Nintendo 3DS
@FragRed
well maybe, there's room for an handheld that has an home console output, like a Playstation TV. You can still have a main home console, if you are going for power.
Re: Stats Suggest That UK Kids Are More Likely To Game On A Tablet Than A Nintendo 3DS
This is why an Hybrid Home/Handheld console is an good idea, that will happen. We are seeing an indication of it slowly, with Playstation TV and Wii U emulation of the DS library.
I think that's the next logical step forward..................
There is a strong relationship between handheld/home consoles then people like to believe.
Re: Stats Suggest That UK Kids Are More Likely To Game On A Tablet Than A Nintendo 3DS
@electrolite77
That's why the handheld Console market is contracting.
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The whole console market (home + Handheld) is maybe contracting! If you think the 3DS is doing badly, then what about the Xbox 'One'?
Re: Stats Suggest That UK Kids Are More Likely To Game On A Tablet Than A Nintendo 3DS
According to VG Chartz, the 3DS was the biggest selling console last week!
Together with the Vita, this generation currently has over 50 million handheld console sales, that's what matters the most!
Re: Stats Suggest That UK Kids Are More Likely To Game On A Tablet Than A Nintendo 3DS
@Sean_Aaron
no, it's reality. If a child never uses a joypad how would they make a judgement otherwise? Try thinking outside of your own experience and preference. The only thing that will matter to kids growing up with touch controls is whether a game is fun to play.
Hell d-pads and buttons aren't the best controls for all kinds of games either - I used to think the Nintendo NES pad was crap compared to a proper joystick!
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Christ, with that sort of thinking, it's a wonder how the hell anyone got into d-pads and joysticks, analog sticks in the first place! Fact is these are still the best control mechanism for game play.
The sole touch-screen experience is actually very shallow and limited.
Nintendo competes in the gaming industry with other dedicated gaming devices. It really, doesn't compete with PCs/Tablets and Phones. How do N stay relevant in the handheld console space? By creating kick-ass games that shift systems.
And yes, as far as I am concerned some fundamental things never change, such as: creating harmonious content between software and its hardware.
Re: Stats Suggest That UK Kids Are More Likely To Game On A Tablet Than A Nintendo 3DS
@Sean_Aaron
. A child that doesn't grow up using a joypad isn't going to miss it. It will be interesting to see how Nintendo continues to be relevant in this space.
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Utter nonsense, unless you think the touch screen is the all supreme game mechanic for controls in gaming!
Re: Stats Suggest That UK Kids Are More Likely To Game On A Tablet Than A Nintendo 3DS
Unless these smart devices can implement proper game controls, it will never top a dedicated games console/handheld.
I actually think there's going to be some sort of gaming crash too, due to over fragmentation of the market. Playstation TV indicates that even Sony want some kind home console/handheld merger and the Wii U emulating DS games points in the same direction.
With so many devices on the market, I really do think we are overstretched. Even PS4/One, home consoles are not safe, with increasing console/handhelds ports/releases.
Nintendo just need to stick with making gaming the most in depth and pleasant experience possible. People will see the quality. More importantly, there's a market for quality gaming.
Re: Nintendo Looking To Grow Wii U Audience To Tempt Back Third Parties
Wii U will probably get the odd AAA title release, probably later then on the PS4/One. But as everyone says its main focus is that these systems are designed for selling their own published content.
Nintendo has never released a system, where the top selling title was 3rd party published. I think that says it all really.
They care about their install base and selling their own content and then 3rd parties can join in. Which is how really a platform/publisher should see things. Microsoft and Sony have ulterior motives, that's got to do with these systems being mass media living room hubs. Nintendo is fighting against that sort of mentally.
Re: Review: Another World - 20th Anniversary Edition (Wii U eShop)
Cross buy/play or not. My Vita usually gathers dust anyway!
3DS for me. I prefer all older re releases on the 3DS!
Re: Eiji Aonuma Vows to Reduce Hand-Holding in Future Zelda Installments
Tutorials are fine, but hand holding to me is what you get in GTA. On screen prompts telling you to do this now and now do that!
Even MGS, which some people say is an interactive movie (I don't) doesn't give out on screen instructions, though it does tell you what to do via the team backing you up on radio.
Re: Wii Owners Are Upgrading To PlayStation 4, Claims Sony
Well, I went from PS3 to Wii U, then.
I think systems with the lowest install base is sometimes the most interesting.
Re: Sony Overtakes Nintendo In Global Hardware Sales For The First Time In Eight Years
You mean it's taken Sony 8 years to get ahead on mainly the back of 2 'powerful' systems and Microsoft are nowhere in the picture?
Guess this just show Nintendo's overall strength more than anything.
(Actually, make that 3 'powerful' systems, the flop Vita is apparently a 'powerful' handheld! hahaha lol! )
Re: 130 Jobs To Go In Nintendo Of Europe Reshuffle
Isn't this just another case of less staff needed, because more digital items are replacing physical products??
Re: Talking Point: The Wii U's 'Relevance' Is About Sales, Nintendo's Strategy Has Remained Consistent
You could tell at E3 2012 that Nintendo were not expecting the Wii U to match the sucess of the Wii.
I see no option for Nintendo but to continue to see out the Wii U for the next 3-4 years with compelling 1st party output. Then, what they do after that will be interesting.
Nintendo are investing in online services, like eshop, miiVerse and the latest Nintendo Network ID surely points that in the right direction.
Re: Mario And Zelda On Mobile Could Bring New Players To Nintendo Consoles, Suggest Industry Analysts
Once they get into the 'smart devices' business, there will be no letting go.The next Investor pressure will be micro-transactions up the a**!
Unfortunetely, this is what mobile casual gamers seem to be wanting! So something all 'real' game publishers should be avoiding, as there are so many mobile publishers operating on cow cash game designs as it is!!!
Re: $1.2 Billion Wiped Off Nintendo's Market Value As Share Prices Plummet
The stock is still up from last year.
Nintendo need to explain their sales decline and their loss. But stop blaming Iwata. Iwata found out what was wrong with the company in 2003 and fixed it. Again, things are f*** up, but instead of blaming people for the f** up. I wish people understand the reasons behind it!
I am sure Iwata will find out what's f***ed up and fix it!
Personally, I think by building the Nintendo eshop and miiverse; things are going in the right direction as far as their digital ecosystem is concerned.
Re: Mario And Zelda On Mobile Could Bring New Players To Nintendo Consoles, Suggest Industry Analysts
Moving full versions of Ninty games on 'smart devices' won't do a damm thing, I am afraid.
I don't understand it. Nintendo already has the best selling video game hardware of last year. Moving them onto smartphones would just de-value their offerings. Besides Playstation mobile has not done a damm thing for Sony! And they are not exactly too keen to put Teraway or Gravity Rush or anything else that is a flop on the Vita to smart devices.
This after all the investment they have put into buliding their eshop. It just doesn't make sense at all. The future of Nintendo is their own digital ecosystem they are building. Invest in that, and take the losses now for future gain.
Re: Nintendo Has "Great Games" But Is Facing A "Structural Problem", According To Industry Analysts
Microsoft is facing an 'Structural Problem'; even in the glory days of the 360, investors were calling for them to ditch the business, since it was not profitable enough over the long term periods. And when the business is profitable, the returns are not worth it.
And now the whole Xbox brand is performing even more poorly.
Re: Nintendo President Satoru Iwata "Has Earned The Right To Fail", Says David Jaffe
I wonder which of the investors are more powerful: Microsoft investors calling them to spin off the Xbox division (which would mean all the big budget clout the Xbox brand has will be over - no more big losses of expensive hardware and an cut-down 1st party line up) or Nintendo's so called investors calling for software to be published outside an Nintendo system??
Re: Talking Point: Nintendo's Wii U Struggles Bring a Challenge, Not Doom
Sometimes, you just have to face up to the bad times.
No one talks about Sony and Microsoft losing $6 billion in the previous generation. Nor do they talk about the great sucess of Sony's PS2, in which during that period Nintendo was more profitable and the orignal Xbox was a total financial disaster.
Fact is that business models are changing and responding to those changes is going to require an greater investment, mainly in hard online infrastructure and building your own digital ecosystem.
But one thing Nintendo won't do is build a generic PC .x86 Box!! That would be the wrong thing for them and us.
Re: Talking Point: Claims of Wii U Third-Party Development Troubles Shouldn't Be Dismissed Lightly
What would be really difficult to accept for Nintendo: is an non-Nintendo published title being the top seller of their particular system!
I can't imagine it, because I don't think it has ever happened before and it would seem strange. It would hurt Nintendo's pride so much and they would lose their edge.
Re: Feature: 12 Days of Christmas - Fire Emblem's Awakening
Best game of the year on any platform!
Re: Reaction: Nintendo Direct's Final Flourish of 2013
The Cranky Kong annoucement is the only thing I remember about VGX!
Re: Sony's President of Worldwide Studios Actually Has Two Wii U Systems
@grenworthshero
I meant what I said: they CAN'T take the wii U off the market.
Re: Feature: The Big Nintendo Direct Summary - 18th December Broadcasts
Sony or Microsoft wouldn't do one. It would just highlight how poor their first party line up is!
Re: Sony's President of Worldwide Studios Actually Has Two Wii U Systems
Not surprised; the Dualshock 5 is almost certain to have a touch screen, so might as well be nice now.
Also, Sony have no chance, despite their success of the PS4 to take out the wii U.
Re: Hyrule Warriors Is Zelda Meets Dynasty Warriors, And It's Coming To Wii U In 2014
It's obvious that Nintendo wanted to show just this early rough cut, knowing that advanced gamers will talk about it.
Hyrule Warriors (not final name) - lol, yes, watch this one closely.
Re: Super Mario 3D World Struggles Against PS4 Titles in UK Charts
@SavantSupreme
Yes, another Mario game... that's all Nintendo 'haters' do. Why are you wasting your time here? It's clear that you appreciate Nintendo games and we all want Nintendo to be doing great but there are no easy answers.
Do you remember Super Mario Sunshine being too different and not like a Mario game.. and the game was not well recieved, despite the great design?
So Nintendo just can't win. People want the same and yet they want it to be different.
At the end of the day, Nintendo does not ask for any favours from any consumer and they compete in a very open competitive market.
Re: Super Mario 3D World Struggles Against PS4 Titles in UK Charts
Nintendo competes by being UNIQUE. Not by being a PC in a Box, with ripped off Nintendo controller designs!
The last 10 years of Nintendo's sucess should tell you that.
UNIQUE both in hardware and software design! That is what they are.
Not knocking the One and the PS4, but even they know they have to watch Nintendo's back, just in case.
Re: Super Mario 3D World Struggles Against PS4 Titles in UK Charts
Nintendo prefers to be that small Japanese card company that shocks the world from time to time.
And that is what they are good at. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. But their games are absolutely fab, and the core gamer will always know this. I know I will always support great games.
Personally, I don't want Nintendo to be like Playstation or Xbox and lose focus on the core gaming business. Don't forget Sony/MSFT are in this business in order to sell us something else and build their network media services!
Re: Super Mario 3D World Struggles Against PS4 Titles in UK Charts
@SavantSupreme
The balance sheet?! Ignoring the fact that Microsoft has never made a profit out of Xbox and the PS3 completely wiped out all profits from the PS1 and PS2.
Which is why people say Nintendo is 'irrelevant', rather than going bust!
In market share terms, they've lost ground and possibly losing ground, but the bottom line is still strong. In fact they are probably still going to post a profit in the years end, while Microsoft and Sony will hide their losses.
Re: Super Mario 3D World Struggles Against PS4 Titles in UK Charts
@SavantSupreme
Financially, Nintendo are in a stronger position than they where in 1994 when the Playstation came out and even stronger than in 2001, when the Microsoft entered the industry.
It's incredible but true.
Re: Super Mario 3D World Struggles Against PS4 Titles in UK Charts
The whole world at the moment is Playstation territory. Even the One is gonna have a hard time going against it!
But Knack is a Crap SCE Japan Studio title! Why couldn't have ICO or Shadow of the Colossus sold better? Of course the final figures aren't in yet, and Nintendo may well bundle Mario 3D World in the future.
But who cares? I know that Nintendo overall are in a strong position and a good game is a good game, despite sales figures!
Re: Former Naughty Dog And THQ Head Jason Rubin Says Nintendo Is "Irrelevant" In The Hardware Arena
I hate it when people say this sort of stuff. It's like saying that no-one should be able to challenge Sony or Microsoft, because they are getting 'higher' sales!
When you look like that, it should sound really stupid.
Re: Poll: Nintendo and the Wii U Fight For Your Attention in This Busiest of Gaming Months
Nintendo should do well enough, but you can't compare the Wii U to the PS4/One, it's just now in a different space.
Sometimes and in fact a lot of the times, bad games outsell the really good ones and unfortunetely we may be seeing that right now. But the quailty of Nintendo should shine through after the hype of the PS4/One has quieten down if never really totally dissipating.
Re: Xbox One UK Sales Set to Pass Wii U's Lifetime to Date Figures
I would not mind if the XB1 had brilliant titles. But no, actually the launch titles are actually quite poor, terribly designed, with just graphics flashed up.
God help the industry!
Re: DFC Intelligence Lowers Wii U Lifetime Sales Forecast, But Supports Holiday Releases and Strategy
Very high, Ps4 and XB1 sales could also result in higher wii U sales. Especially, if the PS4/XB1 titles become generic and boring. Don't forget that the Wii U will almost likely to be always cheaper than the PS4/XB1.
An incredible industry................
Re: DFC Intelligence Lowers Wii U Lifetime Sales Forecast, But Supports Holiday Releases and Strategy
Wasn't a billion smartphones and tablets going to kill off the 3DS??
So what's the Ps4 and XB1 in comparision?? 50 million is my prediction.
Re: DFC Intelligence Lowers Wii U Lifetime Sales Forecast, But Supports Holiday Releases and Strategy
Hasn't even Patcher had a 'change of heart' and predicted 50 million wii U sales???
Remember this console generation is likely to be 7-8 years long and that starts after all next gen consoles are released.
Re: DFC Intelligence Lowers Wii U Lifetime Sales Forecast, But Supports Holiday Releases and Strategy
I bet with 25 million: EA will be back in some form!
Re: EA Germany Survey Fails To Acknowledge The Wii U
If EA were an industry giant: they would launch their own console...... no??
Re: Review: Super Mario 3D World (Wii U)
Poor Knack never had a chance, did it.
Re: Shigeru Miyamoto Clarifies That Local Multiplayer is Still the Priority for Mario
errr, well, personally I don't think online modes work for every game and for co-op Mario things could get difficult with lag, in such a fast response platformer.
But when Nintendo do decide to make a platformer that plays fully online, it should be done perfectly and that requires designing the game from the ground up with online in mind. This requires lots of additional tests and servers, so it's not something that can be pulled off easily.
You also want to avoid high profile server crashes, that have occured from other apparent high quailty publishers.
Re: Readers Of EDGE Consider Ocarina Of Time And Mario 64 To Be The Best Games Of The Last 20 Years
The Last of Us, obviously hasn't had the test of time.
You can't really argue about the first two.