Some Fans Aren't Happy About Sonic X Shadow Generations' Changes To The Original

People will complain about absolutely everything no matter how insignificant or minuscule talk about first world problems. Oh, he’s not physically assaulting her now I’m not gonna buy it.

If they did not change it, ppl would complain that this remake doesn't do enough different...

It's all stupidity, just like with TTYD. And unlike TTYD, Generations is gameplay over story, so all this complaining makes even less sense. I'm a console purist, but in no way am I a game purist.

I think I probably skipped the scenes originally on PS3 as I can't really remember the story much. Really just waiting for Switch footage, I'm guessing 30fps so if PS4 manages 60fps I'll get it there.

If it's 30fps on PS4, I'll probably skip it as I don't have a 'current gen' machine and I'd want a real upgrade to the gameplay beyond resolution, from the version I played years back.

The only things that I may take some issue with are the Amy's bio tweak (the original is a game made before her development in Forces and Frontiers, so I feel it should reflect her personality of the era OG Generations came out, not the newer games) and how Classic Sonic now rubs his stomach in that scene for no reason (I don't mind the change in Knuckles dialogue, just how they didn't bother to change Classic Sonic's reaction, unless he's implying he ate the island out of hunger).

Beyond that, if I'm not told about these changes I don't even notice them.

It’s definitely a stupid case of censorship, but unfortunately this is necessary in today’s society. Not a real big deal though.

Lol now can censor when sonic kisses a girl and replace it with hugging them or patting them on the head.

Honestly some of these changes feel unnecessary and get rid of some comedic effect, but it’s not too major. I’m okay with some changes in remakes in general, but there’s a lot of times where it doesn’t feel necessary. Nothing to get that worked up over, it’s just a Sonic game remastered!

That tweet calling for Shadow Generations to be its own game brings up a good point but for the wrong reasons. I would love a full budget Shadow game for modern consoles! Although I did hear that Shadow's campaign in Generations is pretty worthwhile.

I was genuinely excited for the game the marketing for this been fantastic and trailers were great. However, I don't support censorship in any games to do that you already put off players small censorship is too much why change dialogue with Knuckles? that's unnecessary and why change Amy profile and personality? This is before Sonic Frontier she has different personality. Why censor Rouge?

I cancelled my pre order because this is unacceptable there shouldn't make changes like that what's the point in remaster sonic generation part.

A fun, random story about Shadow the Hedgehog I've learned from being the industry.

When the GameCube game was coming out, Sega was trying to market to the American audience. So they put together the cover featuring Shadow with guns. IIRC this is the Japanese cover art.

Their US marketing director knew right away that wasn't going to fly, so they setup a focus group of kids and them what kind of gun this Shadow version of Sonic should hold. In a typical 10-year-old American boy fashion, the immediate popular answer was "A BAZOOKA!!"

And this, folks, is why the cover of his debut game had him holding a bazooka.

@AdolBannings-Laylee Well, if those things weren't significant, then, why they have changed/censored the game? 🤔

@JohnnyMind Yep!

Every single time a game reviews well and has people hyped up these, "They're ruining all our video games!" grifters have to pretend they care about it and it's exhausting. See also them desperately trying to find an excuse to complain about Silent Hill 2.

@Reprise My thoughts exactly. Twitter might be society's single stupidest place.

I'm a little disappointed in the change in Amy's characterization, but I don't think all changes like this are objectively bad. It'd be nice if the original version of the game was still easily accessible, though, or if there was a toggle for the original dialogue.

Sonic says: "Be hip. Get a f**king grip." 👍

Kindly don't pretend you speak for the rest of us, DreMeMoTo.

@AdolBannings-Laylee Yeah, I have so many real world problems right now as most of us do. I can't imagine getting too upset by this.

Usually I couldn’t care less, but it was really jarring how Amy just doesn’t act like Amy at all. I do also miss more of the comedic slapstick too but nothing for me to go out and complain.

this is such a strange issue to have with this game! I can understand being frustrated about censorship in a lot of cases or even being mad about the principle, but the principle at play itself is a silly so i dunno about this one you guys sometimes minor jokes or lines dont age well or dont fit what direction the team is taking the characters

Thanks, I needed that laugh today.

I'm pretty certain they toned down Amy because they don't want the character obsessing over Sonic anymore. And Knuckles calling Sonic fat was perhaps a little egregious in the original, although I don't think it's that bad.

I've never really liked Amy as a character who just chases Sonic around trying to get him to marry her so I'm quite happy to see her shift to being less crazy. Still not really a fan of her design and overall character. I've seen some great fan redesigns that bring back some of her classic elements from her Sonic CD design and make her look more hedgehog'y

They don't even respect their own franchises, so I'm not going to buy into any Sonic games moving forward. I've already removed everything Sonic from my wishlist.

@AdolBannings-Laylee While I agree that these are first world problems, calling very mild cartoon slapstick "physical assault" is a little over the top and ironically works against your point

Sonic Sez:

“if someone tries to touch your game in a place or in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable, that's no good! It's your game! No one has the right to touch your game if you don't want them to!”

Sonic fans are never happy

So weeeeeird the thinking behind Sega's decisions is interesting... Not worth complaining about though.

Yeah they may be small changes but I understand why people are upset. I too was upset about the small changes to some of my favorite games when they were remade.

@spottedleaf does it? I’m trying to get my 3 year old son who loves sonic to stop hitting his 1 year old sister. He says he’s Sonic and she’s Amy so the fact they took out him pie facing her is aye ok in my book. It wasn’t such an important scene that they needed to keep it. It does nothing for the story or the gameplay it’s a tiny little throw away thing. I find the fact people are upset about if amusing. You gotta have nothing going on in your life if this is what gets your panties in a bunch.

@Zeebor15 The only time I'm not a happy Sonic fan is when stuff like Sonic Colours Ultimate happens, other than that I'm usually pretty chill with the stuff.

Not a fan of all the changes myself. They essentially removed jokes from the original game, which I feel was unnecessary.

I don’t mind how they’ve been changing Amy a bit over the years. But come on, this game was from well before then. The face hood was funny, and taking out Knuckles’ joke was probably because of stupid touchy feely let’s make everyone feel good about themselves crap that’s always seen today. Classic Sonic was chubby. It’s a joke! What happened to jokes?! Not everything is offensive! And changing Rogue design even slightly to be “more appropriate”? It was never a problem all these years, why start now!?

Wow. Really? That's it? Embarassing

I'm really sick of all of these little changes here and there, just to be in the mood of whatever the feeling, or whatever the way...

It's not much, it's not life and death, it's nothing. But it's there.

And it's like Dragon Quest III. A game that I'm still getting day one, off course. Those little changes won't prevent me to enjoy the game (DQVIII already did those kind of things on 3DS).

But it's a pity. Unnecessary and ridiculous, in my opinion. But I can be wrong.

Or getting too old, I don't know.

I guess they wanted Amy to be less stalkery and obsessed

Sounds like they improved it

Of course they did. It's not a Sonic release without some bratty 30 year olds whining about something. Sad, but inevitable.

@N8tiveT3ch outstanding point. I doubt it'll ever be remastered but they better fix that if they do haha

@AdolBannings-Laylee Many of us don't live in first world countries and even if we do, still have more serious problems. Still, it doesn't make sense to not complain about anything because there's always more serious problems than that. There's room to discuss and disagree about many things and I'm sure that you have and will complain about things that are insignificant compared to others problems, and why shouldn't you? It's your life, time and energy and they matter to you. I do agree that some people get too invested, but pointing out nonsensical changes and complaining is appropriate and a way of making these companies stop doing that stuff. Not buying the game only says that you aren't interested in the product, not why, so it really doesn't work as people think.

As for trying to use real world logic on cartoons and games, all I can ask is that if you realize how bland and boring they'd be if you follow those standards all the time. It's just slapstick humour and characters need their quirks and over the top behaviour in these kind of games.

Also, the user that pointed out the irony of why changing those things if they are so insignificant them is absolutely right.

I dont care for the changes but also am not incredibly upset about them. It's just another mandate that won't mean anything in ten years when the series gets another tonal shift. I guess I'm just apathetic at this point to idiot execs making decisions.

But, yes, Sonic fans will always complain. Some valid, some not, some 100% insane, but there will always be complaints.

It’s not what was changed specifically. It’s the fact that once again it was advertised as a faithful remake and changed things that were harmless.

Apparently someone did care because they changed it, why are we the bad guys because we wanted it the same?

I love how some people didn't even understand what is talked about.

@roy130390 that’s OK you guys are entitled to your opinions as well. That’s what makes the world such a great place. I don’t think it matters you do more power to you. I hope you both have fantastic days.

@epicgamner you nailed it. It's not even censorship, it's about adapting small bits of the game to fit the current audience they are going for (which guess what, is not the 20y+ that bought the game 10 years ago).
Movies, videogames, art in general represent the current morals of society, jokes about someone's body doesn't do well nowadays.

I can't get my head around people actually protesting online about it lol it must be tiring to see censorship on every step you take. Good luck to whoever does.

Some fans are never happy… and they’re often Sonic fans 😅

@MirrorFate2 They actually do - and they understand how irrelevant these changes are. It doesn't change the great gameplay or the love poured into this game.

Some fans aren't happy....

Some fans are just stupid. My goodness, first world problems... People really is going mad.

@VHSGREMLIN be nice please i promise this is just a vocal minority

@Maubari A game is not just the gameplay, it's a whole package. And the rewritten cutscenes now have out-of-sync lip sync and re-used animations, which makes the game look cheaper than it's supposed to be. It affects the presentation.

Something can be stupid and still not matter at the end of the day.
Does removing three lines of dialogue really change the quality of a game that drastically for anyone?

It's been a while since I've last played Generations, so forgive me if I'm forgetting, but aren't the cutscenes extremely minimal save for teensy-tiny character interactions? Generations was great, but it's story was incredibly minimal, which is fine, it works great for what it is. I just don't think people look fondly on that game for it's narrative. Changing a few tiny lines doesn't really change the overall product or impact the story in any major way. It's still Sonic Generations, it still plays the exact same way. I don't know, I guess I've just never been too bothered by this sort of thing tbh. I doubt I'll be thinking about these little line changes by the time I'm actually playing, you know?

It's really sad. So many of those changes make no sense

Did sega themselves give any real reasons as to why those changes were made or is it just sega doing stupid things all over again 🤔?????

If you all hate the censorship so much, just don't buy the game. I know I am not since I don't support dumb unnecessary censorship.

We need to push back against this trend. So sick of outrage culture & cancel culture destroying everyone’s sense of humor. It needs to be stopped by a counter culture movement in the opposite direction.

@Solomon_Rambling I smell sarcasm.

@Druidsbrook At that point, you're wanting a totally different character. Leave Amy alone.

Is it just me, or are these complaints funnier than the censored jokes themselves?

No offense, but it's a bit ironic for Nintendo Life of all people to post an article on censorship. This comment will probably get deleted for "discussing moderation."

It's like how Thousand-Year Door cut out the line where Bowser said he'd prefer his princess to be silent. Or when Goombella gets catcalled by a bunch of Goombas in the sewers. "But that's sexist!" News flash: This may come as a shock to some people, but bad guys are supposed to be BAD GUYS.

@Porky So you want creepy obsessed girl who's only notable trait is 'Wants to marry Sonic'?

What is the point of that character exactly? Comic relief? I never found her antics in Sonic Adventure 1,2 and Heroes funny personally just an 'annoying fan' character

Shes been slowly moving away from being Sonic obsessed for ahwhile now. In Sonic 06 she was still interested in Sonic but was being more supportive rather than just chasing Sonic around.

Petty complaints from petty complainers. I personally don't like the some of the changes, but I'm not going blow my disappointment out of proportion.

Generations' writing was downright lousy (like literally every Sonic game in the 2010s, my word...) So in this case I'll take the change.

@Druidsbrook I agree with you. By downplaying Amy's obsession of Sonic, it makes her less annoying.

I'd say good, they got rid of that very rude face-block that Sonic does to Amy because it's considered a very rude gesture in Japan, but yeah 10's Amy was severely Sonic-brained so she deserved it in a way.

I will say that I hate the bland, soulless brick we have now, it's not maturity, they're stripping Amy of her one other trait because "HoW dArE sHe luvs Sonic, she stalker & must be removed from canon entirely!!!1!!!1!11!!", she's supposed to be kind & love Sonic. Not some character who is just kind &.... just kind of there for no reason... the haters who demonized her are awful & now we all paid the price & the people who hate her, STILL hate her. The Sonic fandom is a disease that even sanitizer can't fix because the fandom is never happy.

At least now we got a joke saying that Classic Sonic probably ate the rest of the island, way to screw up, Sega. Change the script but leave the animation as is, lol.

Now I'm leaving to scrub my brain thoroughly & I'll definitely be waiting for a discount on the game because Shadow Generations is the only reason why I'm gonna be buying the game in the first place.

Why do Sonic fans seem more upset about these minor changes than they seem to be when Sega releases a completely unplayable broken game?

I don’t mind at all really as I don’t think the changes are that big a deal. At the same time I find them necessary. I do understand changing Amy’s character description as she does have more going for her then they listed before so I don’t mind. Other then that I don’t find the changes were all that necessary and just got rid of some little chuckles that you get from the game.

As ridiculous and unnecessary as the changes to TTYD.

I understand theres a need for more positive female role models in media, but it's more about balance than rewriting or reshaping every character to fit a new mould. There are male characters of varying flirtiness and sleaziness (the extent of what is acceptable is very much an important consideration), but on the flip side, while tweaking or toning down elemebts of Amy's behaviour is fair, its not like her obsession with Sonic needs to be dropped either or whatever. We can have characters who are exceptional like that. There are other female characters, arguably a need for more, and who can fill more niches. Thats my take on that sort of thing. I think there is a bit of an annoying issue in media that female characters in general have to be perfect or set an unrealistic standard to the point that they become boring cause they're made to be 'perfect'. It leaves little room for growth or nuance. Meanwhile its a problem of male characters to serve as a foil or otherwise as the problem. Sometimes even a stand in to be faulty or inept because of the standard set. Again i think there just needs to be some better balancing

I mean I wouldn't have even noticed

@DarkScythe13
And you can do that in new media, don't retcon old games.

I would love for the people to explain how 4Kids tier changes make the game better or why it was necessary. Because all I see are people who don't like it and people who don't like those people, not anyone who actually likes the changes or can say why they were needed. Because not caring about these changes while they're minor is what allows them to escalate to a point of no return, where by the time you do care it's too late. And that's how you get to the current state of Ubisoft.

It’s not my duty to tell anyone how to feel about things that are important to them, so I can’t possibly say that anything is objectively right or wrong here.

But I can tell you that the day where a change to a character in a Sonic the Hedgehog game matters, or is even noticed by me, is the day that I stop playing video games.

Super amped to go back to this game again. Had a hell of a time with the original.

The cut scene with knuckles is lame but to be fair those little cut scenes were always cringe. The Amy thing with pushing her face was kinda funny? At least showed some character. So now she's just more boring, but I don't think any of us are playing sonic games for the story.

I'm ok with it no harm no foul except the weird grabs tummy animation.

I am very upset to see this as well for many of the same reasons expressed by other fans. This should t have been changed. I would like to point out another stupid thing with this game. By stupid I mean this should never have happened. Why is the switch version not early like others?
I know the real reason. But that's just BS! We need to have something in effect to stop people from small print at the bottom of advertisements and stop them from releasing broken games that require patches. Both of these are starting to make a die hard veteran gamer like me not interested anymore. I hope this is fixed soon and thanks for letting me share my feelings on these subjects

People are mad about neutered character expression and covering up rouge more?

Ya don't say....

Also of course it's a shipping account that's pleased. Because we gotta make our fantasy fanons canon or else....
Damnit that's a toxic mindset to have towards fiction...

@Solomon_Rambling Or worse, make Sonic wear pants

shudders....

@epicgamner should even historical art get changed because they don't age well? Are we not allowed to treat the viewer as intelligent enough that something was from a different time period?

Setting that aside, nothing about the original game aged poorly anyways, save for a bad localization that was shunned even then. so it makes the changes pretty baffling.

I was expecting just dialogue changes that didn’t match the mouth movements but they went total George Lucas on this, removing Amy knocking Knuckles away is exactly the kinda thing he’d do.

It's a real shame that a professional game studio felt pressured to make these artistic changes. Either keep the original flavor or make a different game.

Nobody hates Sonic more than Sonic fans.

@Samalik i understand where you're coming from, it would have been a nice addition if they gave us the option to play the game with its original cutscenes, I get that you can make apt comparisons here, but just because you can compare a sonic remaster with so-so writing to historical art doesn't mean they actually correlate and that both cases should be handled with the same processes (a case of the false analogy fallacy)! I get that there is a point to be made here, but it's just not a very strong one. This is the second time we've had this conversation, and both times all we've done is talk about how "well it could mean THIS for the series' future" or "well if we do this here should we let it happen to this other thing here". It's just not a conversation we can reasonably reach a conclusion to right now since there's a whole lotta 'what ifs' at play

@Chlocean see someone gets it

“Some fans aren’t happy”

I mean, that’s just constant, regardless what happens. Especially with sonic

I really don't mind that they're adjusting for sensibilities in a game that, let's face it, is for children. Though it is kind of funny how assaulting Knuckles for laughs is the scene that doesn't cross their red line. Kind of a sign of where we are as a society.

@roy130390 I grew up with shows like Looney Tunes and Tom & Jerry; in the latter Tom was always having his tail blown up, nearly chopped by axes or having his face smashed with an anvil and despite this I understood the slapstick nature of the show even if I wouldn't have been able to verbalize it at that age.

I certainly never tried to do those same things to siblings or schoolmates because of simple common sense, a commodity we seem to be lacking or, worse, willfully ignoring.

On the note of Amy I always found the Fleetway comic version of her character more endearing; while she retained that bubbly love toward Sonic she was also the savvy tech genius before that became a run-into-the-ground trope. (Tropes aren't bad, their overuse is.)

Censorship is usually a bad thing and in this case it's a net negative change. Nothing offensive so I'll still buy it, but still its silly. I thought Ian Flynn was in charge of this one.

“Some fans aren’t happy” will always be the case, no matter which franchise we’re looking at. It is what it is, and everyone’s going to be just fine. It’s a nothingburger in this case.

I think the changes are all minor and also good.
Generations came at a time when the Sonic gang as we know them now was still finding its footing, but in the interim the characterizations have really solidified thanks at least in part to Sega's heavy use of various social media, traditional media, etc.. So removing some of the messier/looser characterizations makes sense in my opinion.

@epicgamner The original game is retro. It's 13 years old now, which is a long time in the digital world. Safe to say it's also history now, especially in this franchise.

I don't really get the false analogy from what i said. And I don't think I'm playing what if's. So I'm not really following what you're getting at

Yeah, I recognized a bit late it was the same person.

lmao there are bigger injustices out there, people

@Druidsbrook Have you watched Sonic Prime

If the changes are not a big deal, it shouldn't be a problem to change them back

"Oh no!" cried George.
"Here we go again!" exclaimed Harold.

@Zadaris I agree. I think it's important to understand that, while children are more susceptible, they do develop common sense and it really isn't healthy to abuse censorship. As long as parents are involved and aware, children should be able to grow exposed to cartoons and other content that doesn't apply in a real context.

As for Amy I also like the times that they develop her more but I have nothing against also keeping these negative traits like being obsessed with Sonic. I do understand that tropes can get tiring though, but personally I didn't mind this one. Since this story already happened, I would have preferred that they respect what it already is and opt for natural character development and change in future stories.

Will you be getting the game on release date? I'm quite hyped about it haha. I've been wanting to play a good game with Shadow for a while.

Sega, please don't let blue haired freaks on twitter to censor your game, listen to your fans 😕

@sonicmeerkat Yup, if "the change isn't a big deal" why spend the money to change the game and anger the fans.

I'm glad I'm a lapsed Sonic fan who lost faith in it ~10 years ago so I'm not that bothered by SEGA continuing to make terrible decisions for Sonic lol.

Fans will always complain at changes and Sonic fans always argue with each other about canon.
SEGA probably thought putting a fan in charge of writing was a smart move, but its not. Making a fan the writer for all new games and giving him the ability to rewrite pre-existing scenes in a port/remaster is a powder keg waiting to blow.

If Ian Flynn makes changes to canon to satisfy himself rather than the wider fanbase. It just risks pissing off more players than a writer who isn't as invested in the fandom and therefore not invested in making contentious areas reflect their headcanon over other fans.

I honestly do not really care. I mean I haven’t played the original so I would have never guessed that these scenes were censored or that Amy’s bio was different (I am not caught up on Sonic lore by the way). I think it’s a little silly to not buy a game just cause Amy doesn’t punch Knuckles into a tree if I’m being honest.

So in other words the sky is blue.

As a former Sonic fan, I just want to say that some of you people tried to silence me when I pointed out that this sort of thing happened with The Thousand-Year Door remake. I'll accept your apologies now.

(Eyes fall out of head from eye rolling)

@AdolBannings-Laylee fully agree

As someone who is very anti-censorship, I’m not too worried about the changes made here. I’m just grateful that of all stories to be rewritten / reanimated (I guess), it was Generations. The story even in the original version was a whole load of nothin, so it doesn’t really affect the experience for me.

What I am worried about is how future remasters / remakes of Sonic games will go down. Can you imagine an Adventure 1 remake with a “modernized” Amy Rose? Or what about that rumored Heroes remaster?

It's not that it's the most serious example of censorship we've ever seen. It's that the mindset behind the changes is borderline insane.

A cartoon bat needs to be dressed more demurely. Nobody can make a joke about someone else being chubby. Amy can't be characterized as being "obsessed" with Sonic, she needs to be some sort of feminist paragon.

People who feel these things are necessary are not serious people. And it becomes alarming when you realize that individuals who are this excessively prudish and sideways in their thinking are influencing almost ALL popular media today.

@Antraxx777 Only Series 1 I enjoyed it but havent checked out the later ones.

@Not_Soos If you have a problem with this site's moderation, take it up with the admins. This is now the third time I've seen you publicly complain about comment removals; no doubt because you yourself get your comments removed for violating rules.

I talked about this in another post, but I think it bears repeating here:

other than the Rouge situation, I don't really see the dialogue changes as censorship.

Sega had revealed a while back that they were gonna have the dialogue be rewritten. Generations was written back in what so.e call the "Meta Era" of Sonic (the 2010s, post colors), when they had the writers Pontac and Graff working on the games. These guys admitted in an interview that they didn't really know or cared about sonic prior to getting the job and all they did after being hired was "watch some cutscenes on youtube to get the gist of it", that's why every game in that era has that cringe Saturday morning cartoon humor and the characters act like parodies of themselves (with knuckles in particular being made into a joke).

After they FINALLY got rid of those guys and brought Ian Flynn (who's been writing the comics since 06) to wrote Frontiers and that resulted into a shift back to the 'Adventure Era' style of stories (like we saw with the Dark Beginins Shorts) and the most well received Sonic story in years, they wanted to rewrite the Sonic part so it wouldn't be as jarring when put next to the Shadow part. Knowing the context, to me, removing stuff like Sonic putting his hand on Amy's face and Knuckles eing slammed into a tree, or not making a "gained weight" joke wasn't done out of censorship and political correctness, but out of an attempt to take the characters more seriously.

Heck, on the Amy note, Ian actually addressed it in his podcast a few years ago when a fan noticed that Sega was already trying to move away from having Amy be obsessed with Sonic be her defining trait (it's been happening since Lost World) and he said that, to him, her feelings towards Sonic should absolutely still be part of who she is (and he even still sprinkles moments of that in IDW comics, she's just less over the top and abrasive about it), but he's ultimately beholden to write what Sega wants him to write.

That being said, no excuses for what they did to rouge's model, that is censorship and I will definitely not ever defend it. Her model was fine and unchanged as recently as Mario and Sonic at the 2020 Olympics, and if NINTENDO of all people didn't have a problem with Rouge's cleavage being put next to their squeaky clean Mario, there's no justifiable reason to do what they did to her model. It was never a problem and it never affected the games' age rating.

TLDR, Rouge's model change is a change made out of censorship, but while there's PLENTY of remakes and remasters that rewrote things for the sake of removing what they deemed "problematic". (I myself called these out like removing catcalling or jokes in Paper Mario, or the atrocity that was the Dead Rising Remake), but this isn't the case here. though I don't blame anyone who isn't aware of the finer details of the reasoning for thinking so.

@AdolBannings-Laylee this is the same logic stupid parents use to get books removed from school libraries. I get you’re providing a hypothetical, but i pity any children you end up parenting

@BoilerBroJoe it was fine for children back then. But NOW it’s an issue? Now we have to “protect the children?”

If they want to steer the characters' personalities in a different direction as the series moves forwards, that's fine, but I'm less okay with them changing pre-established games like this. Especially when they're delisting the original version.

@Druidsbrook and now she’s just a boring go-getter. Completely inoffensive and bland like toast. It’s like those commercials w/ “e-sports” players who are all agreeable and jovial and it’s the most artificial crap imaginable. But fine, whatever, enjoy your corporate slop

@Thief Actually he's a proponent of open discussion with different views.

Articles ago, when talking about Dragon Quest 3's censorship, he was praising the admins for keeping open discussion and letting people talk their side. It was only after he made that post that the admins began deleting other comments , labeling them under arbitrary measurements of "inappropriate", to which I ended up signalling to him and he likely saw the mess everything became.

So yeah, he has every right to be disappointed.

@AdolBannings-Laylee That's on your parenting style then, since Sonic isn't really the type to slap girls, but help them off of their feet in troubling times. So you really shouldn't pivot the blame on whatever boogieman media you have in mind just because it has a looney tunes slapstick moment and start taking action to teach your kids more empathy.

@Samalik sure whatever you say

@FRBA94 I'm not saying I support the changes, just that I don't care. Clearly, people can disagree with you about what was "fine". Cowboys and "Indians" was considered "fine" for kids in the 1950s; later on it was seen as kinda messed up. Apparently Sega thinks punching a male character in the face is "fine" for kids; people 20 years from now may see that differently too. There are some instances where I'd likely agree with you on this kind of thing and some instances I would not, or at least be indifferent, like in this case.

If you don't like how a company treats its IP, one solution would be to advocate for a much shorter length of copyright ownership. I'm sure there are plenty of left-leaning and third party candidates in your district who would be happy to tackle that issue. Donate, organize, and vote!

@FRBA94 I won't argue she's pretty bland at the moment but old Amy was bland but also obnoxious. Bowser is obsessed with Peach but he's the bad guy. Amy was supposed to be one of the good guys and apparently one of Sonic's friends yet she acted like a creep.

Amy really din't have much going beyond the obsession. Recently they have brought in tarot cards and the fortune telling side which she's always had but they never used.

I would like to see her get a redesign though, her apperance hasn't changed since Sonic Adventure and its one of the weaker designs imo.

@Druidsbrook
"Amy really didn't have much going beyond the obsession. "

You mean the compassion she inspired in others is suddenly irrelevant?

@roy130390 You're certainly right; the future iterations of the franchise is the most potent place to make changes in characterization that will feel more natural and stick as a result. Media that exists should be shown to us as is, with the exception of QoL that makes the game more playable on a current platform.

I'll probably grab the game myself closer to Christmas (I just gave my brother a loan to fix up his ailing car so I'm out of pocket for now.)

This whole situation is a mess because someone didn't like the original dialogue and now we have people who don't like the changes.

Remasters really should stick to keeping the same script. Adding stuff is fine in my mind but changing things is just asking for problems even for a story as barebones as sonic generations