That reminds me though, if there's any Zelda trilogy that actually does sort-of-not-really deserve to exist, I would probably buy the canceled Farore game that was supposed to go with Oracle of Ages and Seasons. I'd buy all three as a collection, actually, remade in a Zero Mission sort of way. Those games would look great with Minish Cap assets. Would give Capcom something to do anyway, since they're down to what, one or two relevant IPs of their own.
Assets from the cancelled game were used in the other two. Besides, it was a bit too bold to make 3 games at once
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I said it was 'not made by Nintendo'. I didn't contest their approving of it. And whatever that typo-ridden rag says the hero's shade thing makes no sense. The book emphasizes the shade calling TP Link 'son', but there's no way he could be TP Link's father. 80-100 years is just too long a time to live and then have kids. So all that means is that he is TP Link's elder (obviously, given the rust and moss).
And none of this explains just how the hero's spirit could be in two places at once. It just doesn't make logical sense for the hero's shade to be the hero's spirit.
You're taking the phrase too literally. The Hero's Shade still wanders the earth because of his regret to never be able to pass on his knowledge to someone else. It's implied he either never had an actual son or never had the chance to teach that child, so he sees TP Link as a substitute.
And it's not paradoxical because the spirit each Link carries is that of the original hero, while the Hero's Shade manifested from the Hero of Time's own personal regrets. They're two different things.
I dunno, from what was in the actual game I'm just not convinced that the shade is in fact OoT Link. It just doesn't seem terribly definitive.
Well the Hero's Shade does refer to himself as "the hero" meaning he is an incarnation of Link and not just some random soldier.
Full quote: "You have at last mastered all of the hidden skills. Although I accepted life as the hero, I could not convey the lessons of that life to those who came after. At last, I have eased those regrets. You who have marched through countless foes, each mightier then the last... You who now gaze to the future with vision unclouded... Surely you can restore Hyrule to its stature of yore as the chosen land of the gods. ...Farwell!"
Full quote: "You have at last mastered all of the hidden skills. Although I accepted life as the hero, I could not convey the lessons of that life to those who came after. At last, I have eased those regrets. You who have marched through countless foes, each mightier then the last... You who now gaze to the future with vision unclouded... Surely you can restore Hyrule to its stature of yore as the chosen land of the gods. ...Farwell!"
Maybe the reason this all just doesn't work is because they're trying to characterize OoT Link post mortem. He had no character to begin with and trying to develop his character after his story feels disingenuous.
I liked the hero's shade more when he was just a random, mysterious warrior spirit.
Well, it would need to be more of a "conviction" or potential than a literal spirit.
I'd like to belive that all of the Zeldas and Links in their bloodlines have the potential of obtaining/unlocking the corresponding "spirit" if necessary.
I mean, what if it's a literal spirit, and the conflict of their era arrives when THE Link/Zelda is too old to be of use? (or too young?)
You forget in some eras Ganon(Demise's hatred incarnate) has WON. The decline timeline is what happens if Link dies. Also, I remember some random game where Link is too young and gets trapped in the Sacred Realm for a few years.
Well, it would need to be more of a "conviction" or potential than a literal spirit.
I'd like to belive that all of the Zeldas and Links in their bloodlines have the potential of obtaining/unlocking the corresponding "spirit" if necessary.
I mean, what if it's a literal spirit, and the conflict of their era arrives when THE Link/Zelda is too old to be of use? (or too young?)
You forget in some eras Ganon(Demise's hatred incarnate) has WON. The decline timeline is what happens if Link dies. Also, I remember some random game where Link is too young and gets trapped in the Sacred Realm for a few years.
I wonder why the gods didn't flood Hyrule then? Presumably because Link was destined to vanquish Ganondorf? Ah, destiny plots, those and all-powerful 'good' gods take all of the stakes out of plots...
Well, it would need to be more of a "conviction" or potential than a literal spirit.
I'd like to belive that all of the Zeldas and Links in their bloodlines have the potential of obtaining/unlocking the corresponding "spirit" if necessary.
I mean, what if it's a literal spirit, and the conflict of their era arrives when THE Link/Zelda is too old to be of use? (or too young?)
You forget in some eras Ganon(Demise's hatred incarnate) has WON. The decline timeline is what happens if Link dies. Also, I remember some random game where Link is too young and gets trapped in the Sacred Realm for a few years.
I wonder why the gods didn't flood Hyrule then? Presumably because Link was destined to vanquish Ganondorf? Ah, destiny plots, those and all-powerful 'good' gods take all of the stakes out of plots...
I assume the whole flooding of Hyrule in Wind Waker was due to the Hero's Spirit no longer existing in that alternate timeline. The New Hero of that timeline was just really lucky to have survived all of the stuff he had. XD
I was under the impression that the big flood happened because the king wished for it, ya know, magic and stuff.
He probably even used the Triforce somehow.
I mean, after all he conveniently managed to save his family and survive as a magical immortal ship to look for a new hero.
that would be an interesting wish to ask... "I wish to flood the areas around my kingdom, but don't destroy it, keep it in a magical bubble where time doesn't happen. But! Don't forget to save my family and servants too.... Oh, and for myself, I want to be a ship, please. I think that's a- oh wait, right transform those pesky Zoras into birds. Done."
I was under the impression that the big flood happened because the king wished for it, ya know, magic and stuff.
He probably even used the Triforce somehow.
I mean, after all he conveniently managed to save his family and survive as a magical immortal ship to look for a new hero.
that would be an interesting wish to ask... "I wish to flood the areas around my kingdom, but don't destroy it, keep it in a magical bubble where time doesn't happen. But! Don't forget to save my family and servants too.... Oh, and for myself, I want to be a ship, please. I think that's a- oh wait, right transform those pesky Zoras into birds. Done."
Zora racism confirmed.
Anyway, that makes sense. I didn't consider that the kind probably used the Triforce before. Good! The gods are dead or missing and there exist stakes again, to some extent.
Well, it would need to be more of a "conviction" or potential than a literal spirit.
I'd like to belive that all of the Zeldas and Links in their bloodlines have the potential of obtaining/unlocking the corresponding "spirit" if necessary.
I mean, what if it's a literal spirit, and the conflict of their era arrives when THE Link/Zelda is too old to be of use? (or too young?)
You forget in some eras Ganon(Demise's hatred incarnate) has WON. The decline timeline is what happens if Link dies. Also, I remember some random game where Link is too young and gets trapped in the Sacred Realm for a few years.
I wonder why the gods didn't flood Hyrule then? Presumably because Link was destined to vanquish Ganondorf? Ah, destiny plots, those and all-powerful 'good' gods take all of the stakes out of plots...
The gods flooded Hyrule in the adult timeline not just because Link was missing but also because the sages had been defeated/killed by Ganon once he escaped his prison, meaning they couldn't seal him again. With no Link left to finish off Ganon for good the people of Hyrule then prayed to the gods to do something, and for whatever reason they decided to flood Hyrule sealing Ganon and the kingdom with it (the Hylians were told to take refuge on the mountaintops so they could build a new world on the surface of the ocean).
In the fallen hero timeline the sages did manage to trap Ganon in the Sacred Realm as a last resort after Link was killed. The Sacred Realm at this point had already been corrupted to reflect Ganon's evil and greed, thus creating the Dark World in ALTTP.
You forget in some eras Ganon(Demise's hatred incarnate) has WON. The decline timeline is what happens if Link dies. Also, I remember some random game where Link is too young and gets trapped in the Sacred Realm for a few years.
I read some intresting theories that Demise is actually Dark Link and not Ganon, of course it's just a thoery but it had a very compelling arguement.
Dark Link is just Link's "evil side" or doppelganger manifested through many means including plot holes.
Pretty much this. Nintendo loves to pull off "the evil twin" schtick: Dark Link, Dark Pit, Dark Samus. Maybe they'll have dark-skinned protagonist one day, so we can have his Light counterpart.
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