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Adam

21. Posted:

derickw69 wrote:

How about Nintendo not using the same hardware that they have been using since Nintendo 64?

Gamecube isn't an extension of the N64. But hey, I know making up stuff is fun. :D

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Well first off, let's me mention this, that there a few things that the next system will have, this is mentioned my Miyamoto a while back, I wish I had the article on this to prove it. Oh well...

It will have HD video output
It will use HDMI

Now for the stuff that I'd like to see on the Wii HD.

Wii HD:

  • Full Backward compatiblty on existing Wii and GCN games.
  • Motion plus built into the new controllers.
  • The new Controllers will keep the same design, aesthetics and ergomontics of the previous controller so that accessories can still work with them, such as the Classic Controller, Wii Wheel, Wii Zapper, etc...
  • An Official piece of head tracking equipment, Wii glasses anyone?
  • A Ds or DSi can sync with the Wii HD to act as either a Classic Controller, or a Touch controller for certain games.
  • A Sensor bar with both IR lights and an IR Camera for both Wii remote pointing and Head Tracking.
  • A built in Camera and microphone in the Sensor bar for Camera based games, video chat, and online chat.
  • 8GB/16GB Solid State Drive
  • A purely seemless channel system, when I click the Mii channel I want to the Miis right there without waiting. Other channels like Weather, News, Vote, Shop, and Contest channel will actually take advantedge of WiiConnect24 and cache infomation on the fly so you don't have to wait for anything.
  • Automactic Updates via WiiConnect24, receive updates without needing to turn the system on.
  • A Wii Social channel that allows us to see when our friends are online, and what they're doing, think of this as Nintendo's version of Facebook.
  • Friend codes will still be around, but rather than a different code per game, you have a code per Mii you make, this will work alongside the Wii Social channel, you can see when your friends are online, what they're playing, and jump into a game with them.
  • Release a video channel that will feature game reviews, previews, trailers aswell as video on demand services from the BBC, Channel 4 and ITV. The Video channel can work along side with the DS or DSi to watch videos on the go.
  • An optional Media channel where you can stream your own videos and music from other computers on your wireless network.
  • Demo via Cloud Computing, rather than storing a demo onto the Wii HD's memory, you play the demo via a special server and stream the video and audio of the game to your Wii.
  • Provide a special VC/WiiWare rental service where for a sum of about £15/£20 month, you get to play 3 or so VC/WiiWare games at a time and then swap those games back for new ones every 30 days.
  • A Better Web Browser, with full Flash, Java, Ajax, and RSS support.

That's what I can come up with right now, I might add more to that later.

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23. Posted:

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I'd like to see them start getting away from so much software (disks) and more into downloads. Give me the capacity to save them like we do on SD cards so that I'm not limited on how many I can download, but this SHOULD make games cheaper and more easily available for people to purchase. Instead of waiting for a store to get a title in, you simply log on and download it on it's release date. Anyways, that's just my two cents.

The problem that I see with this is how fast would you fill up your hard drive if you had games that looked like Gears of War 2 or Killzone 2? As much as I love my XBLA games and my WiiWare and VC games, I feel like most people when I am able to hold that new game in my hands and display it. Until we get to a point where we are able to have 1 Terabyte drives built into consoles we will have some type of storage medium for games.

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derickw69 wrote:

I mean isn't the Wii hardware an extension of the Gamecube hardware, which was an extension of the N64?

The Wii in essence is Double the Gamecube, but the GameCube has never used the same tech from the N64?!?

Do you really think that a machine that uses a processor that runs at almost 500MHz (GCN) would be based on something that only ran 90MHz? (N64)

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weirdadam wrote:

derickw69 wrote:

How about Nintendo not using the same hardware that they have been using since Nintendo 64?

Gamecube isn't an extension of the N64. But hey, I know making up stuff is fun. :D

I was not trying to make things up. It was a serious question for anybody who might have known the answer. Forgive me if I upset anyone but I was too lazy to do the research and wanted someone to do it for me :p

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26. Posted:

SepticLemon wrote:

Well first off, let's me mention this, that there a few things that the next system will have, this is mentioned my Miyamoto a while back, I wish I had the article on this to prove it. Oh well...

It will have HD video output
It will use HDMI

I wish you had that article, too. I remember reading it, and every time people debate about this, I try to point out that it's already been announced... but nothing to prove myself with.

Also, your wish list is beautiful. I teared up more than once reading it. One thing I'd add, and seriously, I can't imagine why this isn't the case already: When you return to the Wii menu, the entire system does not reboot. That disc-reading sound is horrid. It sounds like something most malicious and unnatural is being done to my poor game.

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derickw69 wrote:

weirdadam wrote:

Gamecube isn't an extension of the N64. But hey, I know making up stuff is fun. :D

I was not trying to make things up. It was a serious question for anybody who might have known the answer. Forgive me if I upset anyone but I was too lazy to do the research and wanted someone to do it for me :p

No problem, I understood what you meant. Making up stuff is fun, but not as fun as picking on people. ;)

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weirdadam wrote:

derickw69 wrote:

weirdadam wrote:

Gamecube isn't an extension of the N64. But hey, I know making up stuff is fun. :D

I was not trying to make things up. It was a serious question for anybody who might have known the answer. Forgive me if I upset anyone but I was too lazy to do the research and wanted someone to do it for me :p

No problem, I understood what you meant. Making up stuff is fun, but not as fun as picking on people. ;)

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weirdadam wrote:

One thing I'd add, and seriously, I can't imagine why this isn't the case already: When you return to the Wii menu, the entire system does not reboot. That disc-reading sound is horrid. It sounds like something most malicious and unnatural is being done to my poor game.

YES!

Christ... why did I forget that!? The only way to get around that is either to use A LOT of RAM, or a HUGE.... cache chip.

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30. Posted:

As much as I like my dear Wii, they need to learn some lessons for there next console (Be warned that it'll be a little while):

1. Motions controls. They should use MotionPlus as standard.

2. Come with two controllers at launch. They should have one Motion control and one Classic controls. That way, we'll be able to get there new console and start downloading SNES/N64 games.

3. More hardware support. This demand may sound high, but they need 32GB of hardware space, so we can have bigger and better games.

4. Be able to support all current and future engines. The Wii suffers from lack of compatiable decent engines, it's successor needs to be compatible with all upcoming and future engines

5. Better Virtual Console supports. They should always have 2-6 week games, that way, we don't receive so many bad weeks. They also need to get rid of some license issues that is actually realtively easy (Such as the TMNT license and the Earthbound copyright issues, but the latter will probably come this generation). Also, they need to get Rare to support the Virtual Console.

6. Ability for larger downloadable games files. The Wii hardware is so crippled, they need to dramatically increase the hardware space for next generation games.

7. Stricter Nintendo Seal of Quality. Ninjabread Man got a Nintendo Seal of Quality! I'm dead serious. WTF? They should not allow any games on there next system that isn't a good game by the majority of Nintendo staff.

8. Give Americans and Europeans VC and WiiWare schedule. We never get to know what games are coming out, sure they can make surprises, but at least give us a schedule that we can read.

9. More system supports and better systems supports from consoles that are already supported. Remember my thread on the next generation of Virtual Console games? We need more systems to be supported, and better systems of already supported console, and less support from the Sega Genesis. Sega litterally milked it on the VC to the point that there are barley any worthwhile games left to release.

10. Up to date graphic. Seriously, they need to look beatiful like the PS3 and 360 games now, and I mean in the future beatiful!

11. Better online. Sure I like it, but we need to improve it. For example, they can keep Friend Code, but give us option to use Gamertags. They also need more online games. In short, match up the Xbox Live Arcade.

12. NOT SO MUCH MINIGAMES!. This has gone long enough. The system is drowing in party games that suck. We need more real games, not just 30 minigames slapped in for full retail price. And beside, they're a terrible genre, the only exceptions has been the Mario Party and Rayman Raving Rabbis series. All else sucks.

13. Stay true to there promise of supporting hardcore gamers. While it isn't as bad as most people think, we defindently need more hardcore games on the Virtual Console. Luckily, we may not have to wait long for equal hardcore and casual supports.

14. Give us equal version more often. Sure we got the better versions of Shaun White Snowboarding and Sonic Unleashed and our version of Guitar Hero World Tour match up with the other version, but the majority of games are so severly dumbed down, it stands no chance of being a success on the Wii.

The Wii is a great console, but they have lots of improvments they need to make.

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31. Posted:

I agree with Septic Lemon's ultra impressive list. It would be nice if, as supplement to the wii hard drive, wii hd actually let you use the usb ports in the back to hook up a usb flash drive or external hard drive to play games off of. This would keep the console price cheaper for the casual types who would just be buying mostly retail games on discs, but if they have much larger downloadable games next gen (Saturn, DC, Gamecube...), the more hardcore types could easily and cheaply get the extra storage space they'd need to store all of those games. It would also be cool to offer digital versions of disc games that could be stored on a larger external (or internal) hard drive.

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Heh, I'm even sad enough to make my own Wii HD logo, not exactalty hard is it? but this is what we expect right?

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Token+Girl wrote:

I agree with Septic Lemon's ultra impressive list. It would be nice if, as supplement to the wii hard drive, wii hd actually let you use the usb ports in the back to hook up a usb flash drive or external hard drive to play games off of. This would keep the console price cheaper for the casual types who would just be buying mostly retail games on discs, but if they have much larger downloadable games next gen (Saturn, DC, Gamecube...), the more hardcore types could easily and cheaply get the extra storage space they'd need to store all of those games. It would also be cool to offer digital versions of disc games that could be stored on a larger external (or internal) hard drive.

USB Flash Drive and Hard Drive support would be nice. Problem is the piracy would go crazy though, it's more likly that Nintendo will have a much bigger SSD (Solid State Drive) in their next machine. The reason why we only got 512MB SSD in the current Wii is because Nintendo never imagined that Downloading games and DLC would be very popualer, they've proved themselves wrong to the point where they allow us to stick a 32GB SD card into our Wiis. It would be more likly that Nintendo will have the same SD card support feature in their next machine, and/or make a Nintendo Branded External HDD for those who want more space.

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Wii HD doesn't seem like a good idea since it'd sound like a predictable and unnecessary upgrade, but Nintendo might just be insane to abandon the "Wii" name in some form. Who knows though. Maybe they'll pull a "DS" and call the next console a "third tier" platform to run concurrently with the Wii until they're confident enough in it.

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weirdadam wrote:

Wii HD doesn't seem like a good idea since it'd sound like a predictable and unnecessary upgrade, but Nintendo might just be insane to abandon the "Wii" name in some form. Who knows though. Maybe they'll pull a "DS" and call the next console a "third tier" platform to run concurrently with the Wii until they're confident enough in it.

IMO the next Wii Machine is more likly going to be a Second tier console. But I see how the GameBoy became the GameBoy Color, it'll be a beefy tier up.

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astarisborn94

36. Posted:

On second though, the hardware space of the next console (Don't think upgrade, think of a completely new system), should be 64GB.

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SepticLemon

37. Posted:

Oh! Something to add!

GCN playback will be an optional feature on the Wii HD. In order to play GCN games on the Wii HD, you'll need to get the GCN Interface, a Hub that has the 4 controller ports and 2 memory card slots that will plug into the rear of the Wii HD like an SD card reader. Sure this may sound horrible to those who have a big GCN collection like me. But I HATE the Wii's GCN ports on the side of the system, it's so.... meh! and fugly... At least with this little device it'll be on a cable so that you can position it where ever you want...

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Super+Smash+Bros wrote:

On second though, the hardware space of the next console (Don't think upgrade, think of a completely new system), should be 64GB.

What? What from Nintendo are you going to keep that's going to use all that space?

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39. Posted:

SepticLemon wrote:

weirdadam wrote:

Wii HD doesn't seem like a good idea since it'd sound like a predictable and unnecessary upgrade, but Nintendo might just be insane to abandon the "Wii" name in some form. Who knows though. Maybe they'll pull a "DS" and call the next console a "third tier" platform to run concurrently with the Wii until they're confident enough in it.

IMO the next Wii Machine is more likly going to be a Second tier console. But I see how the GameBoy became the GameBoy Color, it'll be a beefy tier up.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but I was referring to how Nintendo originally introduced the DS not to replace the GBA but to run alongside it and the Cube as a "third pillar." I think pillar's what they said, now that I think of it, not "tier" as I said earlier. I was suggesting that they might introduce their next console while still supporting the Wii as a safety net like they did with the GBA for the DS, since the Wii is so very successful and abandoning that audience might be too risky.

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SepticLemon wrote:

Token+Girl wrote:

I agree with Septic Lemon's ultra impressive list. It would be nice if, as supplement to the wii hard drive, wii hd actually let you use the usb ports in the back to hook up a usb flash drive or external hard drive to play games off of. This would keep the console price cheaper for the casual types who would just be buying mostly retail games on discs, but if they have much larger downloadable games next gen (Saturn, DC, Gamecube...), the more hardcore types could easily and cheaply get the extra storage space they'd need to store all of those games. It would also be cool to offer digital versions of disc games that could be stored on a larger external (or internal) hard drive.

USB Flash Drive and Hard Drive support would be nice. Problem is the piracy would go crazy though, it's more likly that Nintendo will have a much bigger SSD (Solid State Drive) in their next machine. The reason why we only got 512MB SSD in the current Wii is because Nintendo never imagined that Downloading games and DLC would be very popualer, they've proved themselves wrong to the point where they allow us to stick a 32GB SD card into our Wiis. It would be more likly that Nintendo will have the same SD card support feature in their next machine, and/or make a Nintendo Branded External HDD for those who want more space.

Would piracy really be any worse than it is for SD cards? I wouldn't mind if Nintendo came up with it's own usb drives though if it was necessary for security. (Ok, I would be annoyed, because they would be more expensive, but it would be nice to have the option none-the-less). I just feel like if the security measures for SD cards now should be the same for usb drives. If you're that into bootlegging your games, you've probably modded your Wii already, and you have whatever storage solution you want.

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