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61. Posted:

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Where is the next Star Fox?

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I don't have any clue what this garbage was about: "Yeah we're screwing you big time but hey this way we're just screwing you 10 dollars less!"

Yeah I knew I'd have to explain the math to someone. lol

Metroid fans purchased Prime 3 for $50. Now if they want the two NPC games, that's another $50. They have to buy Metroid Prime 3 again.

What people were expecting was for the NPC games to go for $30 each -- which everyone unanimously thought was overpriced, you know for a five year old game and all.. -- and the total would have been $110. You know because 50 and two 30s makes a 110?

So it's very nearly the same price as what fans thought it would be, except if you want any one of the NPC games, you're forced to buy everything. And those buying Metroid Prime 3 now are really getting shafted because in a few months they'll have to buy Prime 3 again to play the NPC games.

Great idea by Nintendo, it just comes at the expense of their fans. Or at least the ones that are smart enough to know they got screwed. lol
The only problem for Nintendo I'm seeing is that people might want to sell their copy of Prime 3, and Nintendo is against the reselling and purchasing of used games. Fans that buy this won't keep their copy of Prime 3 and I'm not sure why Nintendo wants that when it's usually something they try to prevent.

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63. Posted:

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Where is the next Star Fox?

My point exactly - Retro could make us a kickass new Star Fox, instead of improving a game that doesn't need improving. And LOL the Little Mac commercial just came on TV. Nintendo's finally marketing something. :P

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Hmm... Retro and Star Fox? I hadn't thought to put the two together, but I could see that. I think I'd rather see the Star Fox 64 team at EAD do it and Retro do something brand new, but I certainly would not complain if this turned out to be the case!

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@AlexSays: You might as well condemn every other compilation in existence. You're getting three incredible games for the price of one (each was originally $50 each), and complaining that they don't release them individually for a higher cost. I can't recall one instance of that ever happening.

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@AlexSays: You might as well condemn every other compilation in existence. You're getting three incredible games for the price of one (each was originally $50 each), and complaining that they don't release them individually for a higher cost. I can't recall one instance of that ever happening.

Most compilations are bad, except mini-game compilations, those are great. lol

The problem here is fans of Metroid Prime 3 are forced to buy Metroid Prime 3 again if they just want to play the NPCs.

People thought the NPC games were overpriced, but for Metroid fans this will cost about the same and people are okay?

It's a new way of charging the same amount of money, and milking their franchise. All while taking up another release spot.

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All while taking up another release spot.

That's the worse part about the NPC series, though the fact that it's a compilation rather than separate products actually helps in this case since it's just one release spot.

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That's the worse part about the NPC series, though the fact that it's a compilation rather than separate products actually helps in this case since it's just one release spot.

Yeah that's the part I'm happy about.

Instead of two NPC releases we just have one.

I can't wait until we're done with this whole "Yay new controls on old games!" thing and we're back to only getting new games again.

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@AlexSays: Each game is now $16.67 each, judging by my calculator - it's hard to find a good used copy of Prime 3 for that price, and instead of a scratched disc you're getting a brand new one. The first two games now have updated controls and graphics, the MP3 medal system, and updated multiplayer. To me, that's a hella good deal.

Also, do you honestly think the price would be lower if they excluded Prime 3?

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Considering you can get both games used for about $30 together according to your calculations, the price should be lower than $50 for such a theoretical compilation, though I'm sure it wouldn't be since it's Nintendo. If they want to counter the used game market, they shouldn't try rereleasing games that you can already find cheaper and playable on the very same system. A $30 NPC MP 1&2 package would not be so bad, really, in comparison to the rest of what they've done, since it'd be a competitive price with extra frills.

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The problem here is fans of Metroid Prime 3 are forced to buy Metroid Prime 3 again if they just want to play the NPCs.

People thought the NPC games were overpriced, but for Metroid fans this will cost about the same and people are okay?

It's a new way of charging the same amount of money, and milking their franchise. All while taking up another release spot.

Go back to school and learn doing maths. Because the Metroid Prime Trilogy will be cheaper than two individual NPC games. And it will be especially be cheaper than buying MP3 + 2 NPC games. The Metroid Prime Trilogy is a very good deal, Nintendo never has been so generous for a while.

If you're looking for both Metroid NPC titles, then this is the deal for you. One NPC title costs $30, so two would cost $60. The Metroid Prime Trilogy will cost $50. For idiots: $50 is cheaper than $60. So, basically you get both games for a better price plus a second copy of MP3 for free, in case you already have it. In case, you don't have MP3, then this deal will be the absolute blast anyway. Also, all three games will be on the same disc and be connected with a global settings menu and an achievement system, which makes things more comfortable.

But I guess, this still sucks, doesn't it? Nintendo could sell this for $10 and still there would be people on internet forums complaining and bitching around.

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The Metroid Prime Trilogy is a very good deal, Nintendo never has been so generous for a while.

Lord are they good at what they do. lol

I've never seen a company make more money off consumers and have the consumers think the company is being generous.

I love this post:

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Here's another way of demonstrating to you that this is no deal at all.
Buying the trilogy to get all three games:

MP3: $50 ( $56.50 CDN)

Trilogy: $50 ($67.80 CDN)

Total: $124.30

Buying the "bilogy" to get all three games:

MP3: $50 ( $56.50 CDN)

Bilogy: $50 ($67.80 CDN)

Total: $124.30

Buying the games separately to get all three games:

MP3: $50 ( $56.50 CDN)

MP1: $30 ($33.90)

MP2: $30 ($33.90)

Total: $124.30

Intuitively, it seems as though getting MP1 and MP2 in the trilogy is a money-saving deal, even if you've already bought MP3, as you and many others have said. What this shows is that your intuitions are wrong; it saves no money at all.

What the point? You can't trust your intuitions about what FEELS like a deal. You have to look at things mathematically to SEE whether they're actually a good deal or a ripoff.

This post demonstrates that it is NOT a deal for people who already bought MP3. My other post demonstrates that it's actually a ripoff for them.

This is a great deal for people who haven't bought any of the games. For people who bought MP3 already though, or who only want one of the NPC games... it's a ripoff. The problem is that I'll wager there are more of the latter than the former who are actually interested in getting the NPC games. That's why I said the latter is the target audience, and why I said the target audience is getting ripped off.

I am incapable of making my point any clearer to people who still don't follow, unfortunately. All I can say is that you're trying to view it intuitively, which often blinds you to reality, and that's what big companies count on when they offer "money-saving bundles".

Matter of fact, that user has explained in this thread better than I ever could.

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@TourianTourist: No kidding! :P

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74. Posted:

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Metroid fans purchased Prime 3 for $50. Now if they want the two NPC games, that's another $50. They have to buy Metroid Prime 3 again.

What people were expecting was for the NPC games to go for $30 each -- which everyone unanimously thought was overpriced, you know for a five year old game and all.. -- and the total would have been $110. You know because 50 and two 30s makes a 110?

So it's very nearly the same price as what fans thought it would be, except if you want any one of the NPC games, you're forced to buy everything. And those buying Metroid Prime 3 now are really getting shafted because in a few months they'll have to buy Prime 3 again to play the NPC games.

Great idea by Nintendo, it just comes at the expense of their fans. Or at least the ones that are smart enough to know they got screwed. lol
The only problem for Nintendo I'm seeing is that people might want to sell their copy of Prime 3, and Nintendo is against the reselling and purchasing of used games. Fans that buy this won't keep their copy of Prime 3 and I'm not sure why Nintendo wants that when it's usually something they try to prevent.

And what if they never actually bought Metroid Prime 3 yet? I didn't, so I'll buy it in this collection.
I'm buying MP3 for the first time, without spending £30 or $50 or whatever on it before, and now I'm getting the original two (which I had never played either), with enhanced controls alongside it.

And then you're assuming that everyone who bought Metroid Prime 3 will want to buy NPC Primes 1 and 2, and as a result of the collection through which they're only available in, 3, which, as mentioned, they already own.
I still don't see how this is as much of a rip-off as you're saying, as they're getting an extra copy of 3, so they can sell their original version to pay for this one, albeit at a presumably decreased price. So they have spent $50 which they get about $20-25 back, which gets spent on the new collection. So they spent $100 total, sure, but they got $25 back, making $75. Is that worth playing MP3 a year or two early? Up to the player, I guess.

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75. Posted:

It's okay to charge $50 for a single game, as they've been doing with MP3.

It's even more than okay to charge $50 for three games, as they're doing now with MP1, MP2 AND MP3.

Nobody's ever been forced to buy it, and the GC versions of the first two games will be easily and cheaply available now that so many people will be trading them in.

The games have ALREADY been reworked for Wii controls thanks to the NPC line, so there's no development time being eaten up.

But hey, I guess we just wouldn't be Nintendo Life regulars if we didn't pop up to whine about things now and again, eh? ;)

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76. Posted:

@AlexSays:

This was just the dumbest thing, I've read for a while. The Trilogy costs 50, you get all three games for this price. And you say you would prefer buying two NPC games, which would cost you 60 bucks, because you don't want a second copy of MP3? That's ridiculous. And you know, that you can sell your copy of MP3 anytime? You will certainly get some bucks for it on ebay. The same with your old MP1 and 2 copies, if you have them.

And you have to consider, that this meant for people, who don't have any of the games. In that case, you would have to buy the games for $110, which is more than twice the money you have to spend on the Trilogy.

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77. Posted:

Not long ago I played Valkyria Chronicles, and they found a pig that said Moink. That is the dumbest thing I've read for awhile.

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78. Posted:

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Not long ago I played Valkyria Chronicles, and they found a pig that said Moink. That is the dumbest thing I've read for awhile.

That comment is definitely the dumbest thing I've read in a while.

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Wait wait this topic makes no sense!
“MP Trilogy instead of a new Metroid Prime”... what part of TRILOGY don`t you and some other people on this site get hmmm?

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80. Posted:

Wait a sec...
Why is everyone bitching about Nintendo re-releasing old games and at the same time bitching about the DSi not having VC yet? I smell hypocrisy.

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