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Wrenski

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edit: Eh, I don't take back what I said, but I also wasn't aware till just now I was causing a lot of offensive reports, and I don't want to actually cause trouble for NintendoLife, since I like the site.

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odd69

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unless i read it wrongly it won't be online . if i am right about this then nintendo needs to get with the program, online is the way to go nowadays,metriod prime online would be awesome mabey even give me a reason to play it more often or show more interest. same with final fantasy cc: echoes of time, the lag is so horrible that online play is a drag and just makes me want to go play sacred 2 or resistance 2.

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Adam

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Well, Nintendo already said the Prime series was finished. Retro made that pretty clear, so there's nothing left for it but to be compiled and left alone. While it sucks for those who for some reason own MP3, I think it is a nice gesture for those who love the series and aren't likely going to see anymore of it. I'm not a huge fan of the series myself though, so I'll certainly pass it up unless no better multiplayer shooter comes out for Wii this year, in which case I might reconsider.

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brandonbwii

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lol @ Wrinski. Srsly, this is why nintendo says the "hardcore" are insatiable. Look, Nintendo was not pleased with the sales of the last game and are trying to rectify it with this bargan. New achievements, better multiplayer, and new unlockables. I plan to pick this up and I own all 3 already. Would you guys have prefered they relesed them seperately like in Japan. 2009 looks more and more pleasing for fans. Punch-out, Sin & Punishment, Excitebots, likely Pikmin 3 and some new IPs like Cosmic Walker or Tact of Magic. There are likely some surprises in store to make Wii Sports Resort seem more exciting. What more do u guys want?!!!

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RJ, for one thing, this trilogy compilation has NOT taken up any substantial amount of Retro Studios efforts as of late . They are still certainly somewhere along in development of a new game (and it won't be Prime 4, that trilogy is done, everyone needs to stop being sequel whores). Second, this release is far better than what Japanese players are getting. Even for those who played MP3 already, You're getting New Play Control Prime 1 and 2 for $50 instead of $60 ($30 for each NPC). IR aiming control was what made MP3 so special, and it will do the same to revitalize the first two (among other visual upgrades). It is a far cry from simply porting an old game to a new console. Third, you failed to mention the mode of Punch OUt Wii that gives it value/legs: title defense mode. Fourth, adding online multiplayer would be a drastic addition to the code, reworking control methods/tweaking some lighting effects/adding widescreen are less intensive, which again brings me back to the fact that this release has not be eating up anywhere near a majority of Retro's time. Finally, the other New Play Control games allowed Nintendo to create semi-new Wii experiences in a short period of time and release them in quick succession. They are intended mainly for players who have never heard of or played the GC versions, but also offer a friendly enough price tag and (in some cases) enough of a fresh experience to warrant playing. They are not serving as NEW Wii games in the minds of anyone at Nintendo. They come from an announcement made waaaaaaaay back about old GC games with new controls and other tweaks. New games are absolutely coming, but from Nintendo they take time, and stay in the shadows until the home stretch. Case in point: Spirit Tracks. Announced about 8-9 months before release. No other Zelda game has gone from announcement to release that quickly

They play it close to the vest and do what they please at N, but do not think that this compilation represents a product that anyone at Retro or NoA feels is the appropriate use of over 2 years of their time. A small team was assigned to this, and it's surely been done for a little while, waiting for the usual summer drought. Something else is brewing at Retro, don't you worry

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astarisborn94

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weirdadam wrote:

Well, Nintendo already said the Prime series was finished. Retro made that pretty clear, so there's nothing left for it but to be compiled and left alone. While it sucks for those who for some reason own MP3, I think it is a nice gesture for those who love the series and aren't likely going to see anymore of it. I'm not a huge fan of the series myself though, so I'll certainly pass it up unless no better multiplayer shooter comes out for Wii this year, in which case I might reconsider.

The Conduit is the best mutiplayer shooter right now in 2009 (Despite haven't been released), so you're best off getting that, same with me.

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Philip_J_Reed

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I'm amazed that so many people are disgusted by this. There's a whole slew of people who don't own any Metroid Prime games at all, or those who only own one of them (in which case this is still a bargain). Not to mention all those who don't even own a Wii yet, but will come Christmas time, and therefore would probably be all over a three-for-one deal to help build their collection.

Nobody needs to buy it, and Rare/Nintendo ARE NOT giving us this in place of a new game. Heck, this is already DONE. It's just the NPC versions being released in one box; it's no additional effort whatsoever. Super Mario All-Stars cost more development time to put together than this, and we all know that All-Stars precluded us from ever getting another proper Mario game, right?

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AlexSays

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brandonbwii wrote:

What more do u guys want?!!!

Nintendo not to screw it's fans?

Bad enough Metroid Prime 3 doesn't get a price drop (Unlike Halo, an actual GOOD FPS) but now everyone that paid full price has to pay full price again?

Not everyone is like you. Not everyone will buy a box that comes with three games they already have, just for the new box.

Those that buy Metroid Prime 3 now at $50 -- and don't know about this -- are getting screwed. Those that just want one of the NPC games are screwed. Those that already purchased Metroid Prime 3, and are now forced to purchase Metroid Prime 3 again to play the NPC games have been screwed.

To the person that said "Oh but it's a great deal"...
No it's not. They were ripping off consumers before and this will rip off consumers slightly less.

$50 for buying Metroid Prime 3 a long time ago, and another $50 for this compilation? Great, so Nintendo saved you ten bucks. (I'll explain the math if someone couldn't catch on)
How's that for a company pickup line? "Yeah we're screwing you big time but hey this way we're just screwing you 10 dollars less!"

The best news out of this is Nintendo is making two NPC releases into one, so that's one less we have to put up with!

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Toddr

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I may get this. I owned MP1, but in the first 5 minutes of gameplay, it broke my gamecube, so I sold it. BTW, does anybody know if it's going to be all on one disc, or 3 discs?

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AlexSays

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Chicken+Brutus wrote:

Rare/Nintendo ARE NOT giving us this in place of a new game.

We've already seen with NPC games that Nintendo treats them like any other games when it comes to their release schedule.

Nintendo isn't going to push any more software around they time they release this. Which brings us back to, what would be released in this time frame if this compilation didn't exist? Some say nothing but I highly doubt that.

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Philip_J_Reed

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AlexSays wrote:

Chicken+Brutus wrote:

Rare/Nintendo ARE NOT giving us this in place of a new game.

We've already seen with NPC games that Nintendo treats them like any other games when it comes to their release schedule.

Nintendo isn't going to push any more software around they time they release this. Which brings us back to, what would be released in this time frame if this compilation didn't exist? Some say nothing but I highly doubt that.

True, but a release schedule isn't the same as a development schedule. The question wasn't "MP trilogy instead of some brand new, unrelated game?" It was "MP trilogy instead of a new MP?" And I think the answer to that question is no. Unless the new Metroid has already been in development all this time and is just-as-ready-to-be-released as this compilation, we're not "pushing back" or substituting anything.

This is a stop-gap release for the Metroid series, I understand that. But the gap would have been there anyway, UNLESS the new Metroid is already in the final stages of development.

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Chicken+Brutus wrote:

True, but a release schedule isn't the same as a development schedule. The question wasn't "MP trilogy instead of some brand new, unrelated game?" It was "MP trilogy instead of a new MP?" And I think the answer to that question is no. Unless the new Metroid has already been in development all this time and is just-as-ready-to-be-released as this compilation, we're not "pushing back" or substituting anything.

This is a stop-gap release for the Metroid series, I understand that. But the gap would have been there anyway, UNLESS the new Metroid is already in the final stages of development.

I think it's safe to say the new Metroid isn't anywhere close to being finished.

The last two Prime games have failed in every region and the whole franchise needs to be redone. People don't like Metroid Prime.

That Metroid "stop-gap" isn't the issue. The issue in terms of release schedule (we'll just put the whole "them screwing everybody" thing on hold) is that this will definitely be THAT month's game.

We won't see another Nintendo game in August, and we might not see one till late September. For at least a month Nintendo will pretend this is a new release, and that its fans should be happy.

They're releasing a new Motion Plus peripheral, and instead of offering new software to push the peripheral, we're getting a compilation of old games?
We're not seeing anything in June (when Motion Plus hits stores), Wii Sports Resort is the "July release" and this is the "August release".
So we're going at least four months, and very easily six months (let's hope we get a holiday release this year) before seeing a great new game supporting Motion Plus from Nintendo.

How many times can Nintendo fill their schedule with old games before Nintendo fans want something new?
This is looking to be Nintendo's worst year in its history when it comes to software, and fans just don't care. It's as if they've lowered their standards.

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Shadow007

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I have never played Prime 1 or 2 and I didn't want to wait so I bought Corruption a while back and have already beaten it. This looks like a good chance for me to play Prime 1 and 2, so I am just wondering if I get trilogy, will I be able to use my save file from Corruption in Trilogy?

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No one knows.

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Want some cheese with that whine? :P

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Shadow007

36. Posted:

Figures I should wait and see. I doubt they will do it though.

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Adam

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To someone who said Conduit has a better multiplayer, I think we ought to wait until we've -- you know -- played it before deciding this. Plus, if you've played MP2's multiplayer, you know it is not a normal FPS experience. It is quite the unique game. Hunters is better, much better, but it's still fun and not really comparable to a more standard shooter like Conduit.

Plus, Conduit has no splitscreen, so I have no reason to buy it. I enjoy online games from time to time, but I'm not going to get a multiplayer game that a year or two later will lose its entire player base when the sequel or next big FPS comes out and is then impossible to play other than campaign, which I don't care about. Playing with friends is more reliable and fun, which is why I liked MP2.

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Cheezy

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Why do we need either? Metroid Prime 3 was released just 2 years ago, and it's already being included on a compilation disc, on the same system Metroid Prime 3 was released on. The only other time I've seen this happen was Mario All Stars + Mario World, but even then, those two were released about 4 years apart. You also gotta consider the first two games aren't that old to begin with. This, what Nintendo is releasing, is what is called a compilation disk. Compilations are usually old games being released in one disk on new systems. Like the Namco Museums. Those are compilations of games that are about 25 years old. But Nintendo isn't getting the right idea. Who releases a compilation disk of 2 not that old games, and one game that was already released on the system JUST 2 YEARS AGO? It would make more sense to just release the two original games only on the disk, or seperately for cheap. Including the 3rd one just defeats the purpose. Buying this disk, and already owning MP3, which most do, that's about 33.3% of your $50 wasted. Unless you want to try and beat it again, but why not just do it on your original disk? And most people who have or had a Gamecube probably still own one of the first two or both. So what's the point? Plus, a Metroid Prime 4 can wait. Again, we just got the last one 2 years ago. I really want to see a new 2D one. Bring it on, Nintendo!

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bbb7002004

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First: Metroid Prime is not an FPS. It should not be a FPS. Don't compare it to Halo, it is a completely different (and far superior, in my option) game series. Stop forcing a unique series like Metroid into another generic space shooter!
Second: The New Play Control series is not for GC owners. It is for the MILLIONS of Wii owners that do not have any, or perhaps just one of the series. It does not target early adopters like the majority of internet forum dwellers.

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Adam

40. Posted:

Cheezy wrote:

Plus, a Metroid Prime 4 can wait.

Yes, it can wait forever because it's not coming, as Retro and Nintendo have already announced. Denying a sequel is in the works for secrecy's sake is quite different from saying a sequel will never come, so I see no reason to doubt them.

My thoughts on this oddly soon compilation are that Nintendo wants to make it clear that this is the last you'll hear of the series, wrapping it up all together in one package. That's all, folks.

Cheezy wrote:

I really want to see a new 2D one. Bring it on, Nintendo!

The good part of all this is that without Prime, Metroid is most likely to continue in this way, like Metroid should be. Hooray!

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