The Wii U has no mainstream appeal compared to the other two which are about as mainstream as Top 40 radio. Nintendo tried to retain some appeal by clinging on to the Wii brand but Nintendo Land wasn't the hook Wii Sports was, plus macho gamers/immature 12 year-olds can't play their favorite annualized franchises on it and see the brand as "gay". Nintendo's marketing has also been nonexistent compared to Sony and Microsoft. You can't run 95% of your commercials on Cartoon Network and Adult Swim while your competitors are advertising on every freaking channel; Nintendo is better off just pocketing that money or putting it into game development.
Oh for pete sake. You can't play hype or adverts, ludicrous reasoning. These platforms are selling because they have an overload of popular games, their existence isn't nullified simply because games are also available on last gen.
Games. Of first and third parfy.
Dwindling active user base of last gen platforms > upgrades.
Hype.
Advertising.
Improvements on console/games.
Variety.
Mass appeal.
Exclusives simply don't matter as much as the Internet thinks it does, and the Wii U vs X1/PS4 proves that beyond doubt.
How did Sony and Microsoft convince 30 million people to buy a product weaker than the 5 year old PC they already have? If all that mattered were specs and multiplats, PC gaming would reign supreme in sales, but that's not what we're seeing at all. Sony and Microsoft pour hundreds of millions of dollars into not only adverts but exclusive deals, conferences like E3, and conventions like GDC and PAX.
Because people are lazy. They're constantly waiting for other people to tell them what to do. Not to say they won't enjoy PS4 and Xbox One (anyone could really), but if you look at the big picture, Xbox One and PS4 are actually the weakest combination available for those williing to put in the extra effort. But people aren't willing to put in the extra effort, they just want what the Joneses have. I mean, think of the reasons behind buying either.
-Price: Nope. Paying for online has virtually eliminated the price gap between PC and consoles. Combine that with Steam sales, shopping around for CD Keys, and the fact that a PC is just that; a Personal Computer: it can do anything, so you just combined all your needs into one instead of having to buy a console, a computer, etc.
-Controller: Nope. With adapters you can use just about any controller with your computer, and you're never stuck with one.
-Exclusives: Nope. Nintendo currently has the most original and high-ranking exclusives and no one cares. Xbox and PS have good ones...that are all remakes/ports...how's Order:1883 working out for you? Can we say PS4 and Xbox One "haz no gamez" yet? Even Punished_Boss's precious MGS is on Steam...and will probably have better graphical options (LOL, I HIGHLY doubt MGS: V will be running 1080p 60FPS on PS4, and even if it does, legions of other games won't).
Multiplats: ...Do I even need to say anything for this? Well, how about this. Tomb Raider PS4/Xbox: $60 with mediocre performance. Tomb Raider PC: $4 on Steam sales (it goes on sales often), with phenomenal performance compared to consoles.
Power: LOL. Even a budget PC smokes a PS4. Can we move on now?
I'm totally fine with people preferring PS4/Xbox, but I'm sick of people acting like they're superior. They're not. They're easier...that's it. And people acting that a bigger fanbase makes something better, let me leave you with this: Justin Bieber.
To be fair, I do want the easiest path to enjoying my games. I won't argue that PCs can do things better then consoles,. but I've never had that luck. A computer that I've bought off the shelf at an Office Depot will almost never run the newest games. I've had brand new PCs that have struggled to even play older games in my collection.
That's what I have always liked about consoles, it's easier to start playing games on them. All I have to do is hook up a console to a TV and start enjoying my system. No modding the hardware, no having to deal with Windows and its BS, and no having to deal with apps that eat up memory.
Which is my biggest problem with PC gaming and why it has never worked for me. I can barely get web browsers to work on my computers without them eating up RAM. Consoles do have their issues, they freeze at times, and I've had my PS3 crash. But I can at least know that my 3 year old system is still guaranteed to play the newest games without me having to touch anything or modify the hardware.
I have no issue with PC gaming, and I'm glad people enjoy it. Some people love to build PCs and tweak their systems to play games. For me, I just like having the knowledge that no matter how old my hardware gets, as long as the game is designed for my system, it will generally work without me having to buy upgrades.
So yes, I do prefer the lazy path as you put it. I might not get the prettiest versions of games, but I don't have to jump through hoops to get it to work on my console. Maybe you have had better luck, I never have.
One other thing I want to comment on, outside of a few annoying fanboys I rarely see console gamers attack PC gamers. More often, I see PC gamers bullying console gamers for playing inferior hardware and playing the "PC Master Race" thing up to insane levels.
Now, of course, neither argument is right.
As you said, both sides have their merits. Consoles are more for people like me who want their hardware in a box that they never have to modify that will play games with little more effort then sticking the disc into a drive, while PCs are more for people who like to tweak their hardware and build new hardware to play the latest game, with the tradeoff being better looking versions of games.
Neither side is wrong or superior. People just have their preferences on how they want to play their games.
@Caryslan I'm glad you were able to write at such length in response to R_Champ's post. I would've just said two words...and they probably would've gotten me banned. :T
Oh for pete sake. You can't play hype or adverts, ludicrous reasoning. These platforms are selling because they have an overload of popular games, their existence isn't nullified simply because games are also available on last gen.
Games. Of first and third parfy.
Dwindling active user base of last gen platforms > upgrades.
Hype.
Advertising.
Improvements on console/games.
Variety.
Mass appeal.
Exclusives simply don't matter as much as the Internet thinks it does, and the Wii U vs X1/PS4 proves that beyond doubt.
How did Sony and Microsoft convince 30 million people to buy a product weaker than the 5 year old PC they already have? If all that mattered were specs and multiplats, PC gaming would reign supreme in sales, but that's not what we're seeing at all. Sony and Microsoft pour hundreds of millions of dollars into not only adverts but exclusive deals, conferences like E3, and conventions like GDC and PAX.
Because people are lazy. They're constantly waiting for other people to tell them what to do. Not to say they won't enjoy PS4 and Xbox One (anyone could really), but if you look at the big picture, Xbox One and PS4 are actually the weakest combination available for those williing to put in the extra effort. But people aren't willing to put in the extra effort, they just want what the Joneses have. I mean, think of the reasons behind buying either.
-Price: Nope. Paying for online has virtually eliminated the price gap between PC and consoles. Combine that with Steam sales, shopping around for CD Keys, and the fact that a PC is just that; a Personal Computer: it can do anything, so you just combined all your needs into one instead of having to buy a console, a computer, etc.
-Controller: Nope. With adapters you can use just about any controller with your computer, and you're never stuck with one.
-Exclusives: Nope. Nintendo currently has the most original and high-ranking exclusives and no one cares. Xbox and PS have good ones...that are all remakes/ports...how's Order:1883 working out for you? Can we say PS4 and Xbox One "haz no gamez" yet? Even Punished_Boss's precious MGS is on Steam...and will probably have better graphical options (LOL, I HIGHLY doubt MGS: V will be running 1080p 60FPS on PS4, and even if it does, legions of other games won't).
Multiplats: ...Do I even need to say anything for this? Well, how about this. Tomb Raider PS4/Xbox: $60 with mediocre performance. Tomb Raider PC: $4 on Steam sales (it goes on sales often), with phenomenal performance compared to consoles.
Power: LOL. Even a budget PC smokes a PS4. Can we move on now?
I'm totally fine with people preferring PS4/Xbox, but I'm sick of people acting like they're superior. They're not. They're easier...that's it. And people acting that a bigger fanbase makes something better, let me leave you with this: Justin Bieber.
Exactly. A lot of it boils down to marketing and making those games look "cool" to the mass market sheeple. Do you really think crap like glitchy, unfinished games, microtransactions, and on disc DLC would fly sales wise if the fanbase had a lick of common sense? The industry is where it is right now because people are stupid enough to buy into it, not because of any kind of quality.
Some tl;dr but are we doing a "quality is relevant to success" argument again? Because that's only true in long term. Short term, it means nothing,
Beyond that though, newer consoles (and Wii U has this issue, just not to the bs levels the other consoles seem to) seem to actively exist to be consistently annoying and eliminate any easier to use, easier to play advantages that consoles used to have. I've heard a lot of bad stories about trying to download retail games on the new consoles, it is not fun. Also updates. Also still paying for online gaming (which is basically necessary for many AAA games nowadays).
Oh for pete sake. You can't play hype or adverts, ludicrous reasoning. These platforms are selling because they have an overload of popular games, their existence isn't nullified simply because games are also available on last gen.
Games. Of first and third parfy.
Dwindling active user base of last gen platforms > upgrades.
Hype.
Advertising.
Improvements on console/games.
Variety.
Mass appeal.
Exclusives simply don't matter as much as the Internet thinks it does, and the Wii U vs X1/PS4 proves that beyond doubt.
How did Sony and Microsoft convince 30 million people to buy a product weaker than the 5 year old PC they already have? If all that mattered were specs and multiplats, PC gaming would reign supreme in sales, but that's not what we're seeing at all. Sony and Microsoft pour hundreds of millions of dollars into not only adverts but exclusive deals, conferences like E3, and conventions like GDC and PAX.
Because people are lazy. They're constantly waiting for other people to tell them what to do. Not to say they won't enjoy PS4 and Xbox One (anyone could really), but if you look at the big picture, Xbox One and PS4 are actually the weakest combination available for those williing to put in the extra effort. But people aren't willing to put in the extra effort, they just want what the Joneses have. I mean, think of the reasons behind buying either.
-Price: Nope. Paying for online has virtually eliminated the price gap between PC and consoles. Combine that with Steam sales, shopping around for CD Keys, and the fact that a PC is just that; a Personal Computer: it can do anything, so you just combined all your needs into one instead of having to buy a console, a computer, etc.
-Controller: Nope. With adapters you can use just about any controller with your computer, and you're never stuck with one.
-Exclusives: Nope. Nintendo currently has the most original and high-ranking exclusives and no one cares. Xbox and PS have good ones...that are all remakes/ports...how's Order:1883 working out for you? Can we say PS4 and Xbox One "haz no gamez" yet? Even Punished_Boss's precious MGS is on Steam...and will probably have better graphical options (LOL, I HIGHLY doubt MGS: V will be running 1080p 60FPS on PS4, and even if it does, legions of other games won't).
Multiplats: ...Do I even need to say anything for this? Well, how about this. Tomb Raider PS4/Xbox: $60 with mediocre performance. Tomb Raider PC: $4 on Steam sales (it goes on sales often), with phenomenal performance compared to consoles.
Power: LOL. Even a budget PC smokes a PS4. Can we move on now?
I'm totally fine with people preferring PS4/Xbox, but I'm sick of people acting like they're superior. They're not. They're easier...that's it. And people acting that a bigger fanbase makes something better, let me leave you with this: Justin Bieber.
Why do people act as if the PS4 won't have a plethora of exclusives when history has shown us three times already it will happen.
tbh, a lot of Ps3's really well liked exclusives came out way late. Most of the PS3 library that anyone cares about are still games I can get on my 360.
I felt the Ps2 era is when they actually had a really good balance between multi-console and exclusive titles, but that's not really true anymore. But even stuff like Driveclub and Killzone are really low on the list of games people care about in those genres. Even Little Big Planet 3 isn't getting nearly the same love the first 2 games got.
Oh for pete sake. You can't play hype or adverts, ludicrous reasoning. These platforms are selling because they have an overload of popular games, their existence isn't nullified simply because games are also available on last gen.
Games. Of first and third parfy.
Dwindling active user base of last gen platforms > upgrades.
Hype.
Advertising.
Improvements on console/games.
Variety.
Mass appeal.
Exclusives simply don't matter as much as the Internet thinks it does, and the Wii U vs X1/PS4 proves that beyond doubt.
How did Sony and Microsoft convince 30 million people to buy a product weaker than the 5 year old PC they already have? If all that mattered were specs and multiplats, PC gaming would reign supreme in sales, but that's not what we're seeing at all. Sony and Microsoft pour hundreds of millions of dollars into not only adverts but exclusive deals, conferences like E3, and conventions like GDC and PAX.
Because people are lazy. They're constantly waiting for other people to tell them what to do. Not to say they won't enjoy PS4 and Xbox One (anyone could really), but if you look at the big picture, Xbox One and PS4 are actually the weakest combination available for those williing to put in the extra effort. But people aren't willing to put in the extra effort, they just want what the Joneses have. I mean, think of the reasons behind buying either.
-Price: Nope. Paying for online has virtually eliminated the price gap between PC and consoles. Combine that with Steam sales, shopping around for CD Keys, and the fact that a PC is just that; a Personal Computer: it can do anything, so you just combined all your needs into one instead of having to buy a console, a computer, etc.
-Controller: Nope. With adapters you can use just about any controller with your computer, and you're never stuck with one.
-Exclusives: Nope. Nintendo currently has the most original and high-ranking exclusives and no one cares. Xbox and PS have good ones...that are all remakes/ports...how's Order:1883 working out for you? Can we say PS4 and Xbox One "haz no gamez" yet? Even Punished_Boss's precious MGS is on Steam...and will probably have better graphical options (LOL, I HIGHLY doubt MGS: V will be running 1080p 60FPS on PS4, and even if it does, legions of other games won't).
Multiplats: ...Do I even need to say anything for this? Well, how about this. Tomb Raider PS4/Xbox: $60 with mediocre performance. Tomb Raider PC: $4 on Steam sales (it goes on sales often), with phenomenal performance compared to consoles.
Power: LOL. Even a budget PC smokes a PS4. Can we move on now?
I'm totally fine with people preferring PS4/Xbox, but I'm sick of people acting like they're superior. They're not. They're easier...that's it. And people acting that a bigger fanbase makes something better, let me leave you with this: Justin Bieber.
Why do people act as if the PS4 won't have a plethora of exclusives when history has shown us three times already it will happen.
No one said it won't have any good exclusives in the future...
There are those of us who enjoy Nintendo games but also find titles available on other consoles enjoyable, then there are those who play Nintendo games and feel that there is nothing worth playing available on any other device.
Oh for pete sake. You can't play hype or adverts, ludicrous reasoning. These platforms are selling because they have an overload of popular games, their existence isn't nullified simply because games are also available on last gen.
Games. Of first and third parfy.
Dwindling active user base of last gen platforms > upgrades.
Hype.
Advertising.
Improvements on console/games.
Variety.
Mass appeal.
Exclusives simply don't matter as much as the Internet thinks it does, and the Wii U vs X1/PS4 proves that beyond doubt.
How did Sony and Microsoft convince 30 million people to buy a product weaker than the 5 year old PC they already have? If all that mattered were specs and multiplats, PC gaming would reign supreme in sales, but that's not what we're seeing at all. Sony and Microsoft pour hundreds of millions of dollars into not only adverts but exclusive deals, conferences like E3, and conventions like GDC and PAX.
Because people are lazy. They're constantly waiting for other people to tell them what to do. Not to say they won't enjoy PS4 and Xbox One (anyone could really), but if you look at the big picture, Xbox One and PS4 are actually the weakest combination available for those williing to put in the extra effort. But people aren't willing to put in the extra effort, they just want what the Joneses have. I mean, think of the reasons behind buying either.
-Price: Nope. Paying for online has virtually eliminated the price gap between PC and consoles. Combine that with Steam sales, shopping around for CD Keys, and the fact that a PC is just that; a Personal Computer: it can do anything, so you just combined all your needs into one instead of having to buy a console, a computer, etc.
-Controller: Nope. With adapters you can use just about any controller with your computer, and you're never stuck with one.
-Exclusives: Nope. Nintendo currently has the most original and high-ranking exclusives and no one cares. Xbox and PS have good ones...that are all remakes/ports...how's Order:1883 working out for you? Can we say PS4 and Xbox One "haz no gamez" yet? Even Punished_Boss's precious MGS is on Steam...and will probably have better graphical options (LOL, I HIGHLY doubt MGS: V will be running 1080p 60FPS on PS4, and even if it does, legions of other games won't).
Multiplats: ...Do I even need to say anything for this? Well, how about this. Tomb Raider PS4/Xbox: $60 with mediocre performance. Tomb Raider PC: $4 on Steam sales (it goes on sales often), with phenomenal performance compared to consoles.
Power: LOL. Even a budget PC smokes a PS4. Can we move on now?
I'm totally fine with people preferring PS4/Xbox, but I'm sick of people acting like they're superior. They're not. They're easier...that's it. And people acting that a bigger fanbase makes something better, let me leave you with this: Justin Bieber.
Why do people act as if the PS4 won't have a plethora of exclusives when history has shown us three times already it will happen.
Because buying a console for exclusives that won't come out for 3 years is a stupid idea. There's no guarantee that you'll like the PS4's exclusives until you actually see them, so it just amounts to blind loyalty.
tbh, a lot of Ps3's really well liked exclusives came out way late. Most of the PS3 library that anyone cares about are still games I can get on my 360.
I felt the Ps2 era is when they actually had a really good balance between multi-console and exclusive titles, but that's not really true anymore. But even stuff like Driveclub and Killzone are really low on the list of games people care about in those genres. Even Little Big Planet 3 isn't getting nearly the same love the first 2 games got.
What's even more bizarre and sad that instead of PS4 owners demanding better quality exclusives from like the Order: 1886... Articles are now saying it's selling like crazy and it just released!!!! Why?! How is this happening? How does a 60 dollar short game with very little replay value that's focusing so much on graphics still get high sales? How?!
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The truth of the matter is that it's not any of the extremes people have mentioned. The "average person" makes a purchasing decision based on what platform is the "average" of all the things people want out of a platform.
If it was all about power then everyone would be buying PCs and there has been an uptick in PC sales recently. But it's only partly about power, power is only one of the things people want. If it was all about first party games then the Wii U would be doing the best and truth be told when the Wii U did get it's great exclusives? There was a bit of an uptick in sales. But it's not all about that. If it was all about price then everyone would be going for the cheapest consoles. And guess what? When there's a price drop people do buy more consoles. But it's not all about price.
The PS4 is doing well because it has some great exclusives, most of the big third party titles, decent indie support, a decent amount of power and a reasonable price. It's not the best at any of these things but it's not last at any of them either. Which is why the market gravitates towards it. Personally I reckon the PC + Wii U combo gives you the best of both worlds so I see no reason to get a PS4. But if you were a one platform person? I can see why you'd get a PS4.
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tbh, a lot of Ps3's really well liked exclusives came out way late. Most of the PS3 library that anyone cares about are still games I can get on my 360.
I felt the Ps2 era is when they actually had a really good balance between multi-console and exclusive titles, but that's not really true anymore. But even stuff like Driveclub and Killzone are really low on the list of games people care about in those genres. Even Little Big Planet 3 isn't getting nearly the same love the first 2 games got.
To be fair, LittleBig Planet 3 doesn't seem to showcase anything particularly new and interesting, at least compared to the Jump from 1 to 2, or even 1 to PSP...
And yeah, PS3 had a lot of exclusives, but most of them were crap. Haze? MAG? Lair? Even games like Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Folklore, and Motorstorm simply aren't that memorable anymore. For sony it was more quantity over quality. It kinda always has been, actually...though it worked out far better on the Playstation 1 and 2.
I do honestly think it can be a cop-out answer, but marketing is highly relevant to the short term success of most things. So yes, saying that people just easily follow what's popular and hyped is a valid excuse. If a game isn't advertised an insane amount or is part of a series whose games have sold really well, most people don't know it exists essentially. Even more so for a highly technically impressive, new IP. Even if it was really, really good, it wouldn't have been a success without the graphics and hype. Not to this degree certainly.
VGChartz, so grain of salt, but according to them Majora's Mask 3D and Monster Hunter 4 had more pre-orders. Most of my appreciation of 3DS probably comes from its success despite not being iOS or next gen console hype. It just does really well because people want it because it's good (despite any complaints I've made about 3DS). Much of my appreciation of Nintendo lately has been about them finding success when they're "supposed to fail" because they didn't follow the market trends closely enough and instead succeed because they made a video game people wanted to play.
The bolded, contrary to whats constantly being uttered, the games exist. People are buying them in the millions thanks to the ads and hype. A platform can't be hyped and advertised with nothing.
Yeah, that's part of my point. These games exist, and they exist on PC too. 3rd party multiplats are bountiful on Steam/Origin, and sheer volume of exclusives is more than what exists on consoles too. So console makers advertise exclusives, use money and clout to secure deals with 3rd parties, and market the everlasting hell out of them. And it works. Exclusives matter.
The other thing is that the PS4 is outselling the XBO nearly 2:1. Why? The multiplats are the same. The specs are pretty much the same. The price is now in Xbox's favour, even, yet people are still flocking to the PS4 instead. It's because of marketing and exclusives.
The PS4 is doing well because it has some great exclusives, most of the big third party titles, decent indie support, a decent amount of power and a reasonable price. It's not the best at any of these things but it's not last at any of them either. Which is why the market gravitates towards it. Personally I reckon the PC + Wii U combo gives you the best of both worlds so I see no reason to get a PS4. But if you were a one platform person? I can see why you'd get a PS4.
This is something I hadn't considered. It's an interesting thing to think about. Objectively, I would probably agree that the PS4 is the best "average" platform, checking the most boxes with consistently acceptable quality.
Oh for pete sake. You can't play hype or adverts, ludicrous reasoning. These platforms are selling because they have an overload of popular games, their existence isn't nullified simply because games are also available on last gen.
Games. Of first and third parfy.
Dwindling active user base of last gen platforms > upgrades.
Hype.
Advertising.
Improvements on console/games.
Variety.
Mass appeal.
Exclusives simply don't matter as much as the Internet thinks it does, and the Wii U vs X1/PS4 proves that beyond doubt.
How did Sony and Microsoft convince 30 million people to buy a product weaker than the 5 year old PC they already have? If all that mattered were specs and multiplats, PC gaming would reign supreme in sales, but that's not what we're seeing at all. Sony and Microsoft pour hundreds of millions of dollars into not only adverts but exclusive deals, conferences like E3, and conventions like GDC and PAX.
Well most people these days don't have a PC stronger than their console. The bulk of people are going toward Tablets and Ultrabooks in droves.
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Dear god this thread, can any if you actually describe what the hell dude bro even means. I mean the only two games that could even qualify are gears and god of war and both are somewhat over the top and to the point of parody at times.
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Dear god this thread, can any if you actually describe what the hell dude bro even means. I mean the only two games that could even qualify are gears and god of war and both are somewhat over the top and to the point of parody at times.
I'm not sure how you've managed to avoid them. Lucky you, I guess. But there's a very large audience of adult male gamers that only play "guns 'n sports." The subculture is prevalent, and Sony and Microsoft both know it. That's why Jack Tretton makes comments like this:
Our view of the 'Game Boy experience' is that it's a great babysitting tool, something young kids do on airplanes, but no self-respecting twenty-something is going to be sitting on an airplane with one of those. He's too old for that.
From The Escapist (sorry, I know that site is garbage now). This was his way of saying in early 2011 that he wasn't worried about the 3DS, because the Vita was going to come along and save all the bros from "kiddy" handheld gaming.
Despite what the internet seems to paint, people who really enjoy a wide variety of games from multiple console makers are a rare thing. There's millions of people out there who only buy the yearly edition of CoD and Madden. It leads to attitudes like this:
There are those of us who enjoy Nintendo games but also find titles available on other consoles enjoyable, then there are those who play Nintendo games and feel that there is nothing worth playing available on any other device.
The latter group cannot be rationalized with.
"I'm a greater form of being because I enjoy more than one console." Well, fair enough, because our hobby is chock full of people who are very selective in their gaming tastes, both within and without Nintendo. Outside of Nintendo, they're typically called otakus or dudebros.
I do honestly think it can be a cop-out answer, but marketing is highly relevant to the short term success of most things. So yes, saying that people just easily follow what's popular and hyped is a valid excuse. If a game isn't advertised an insane amount or is part of a series whose games have sold really well, most people don't know it exists essentially. Even more so for a highly technically impressive, new IP. Even if it was really, really good, it wouldn't have been a success without the graphics and hype. Not to this degree certainly.
Prime examples: Destiny and the Shadow Warrior remake.
Loads of sales (and record returns) for the former, praise and very little zero publicity/sales for the latter.
Advertising is king and you're all falling for it even if you don't know it, just look at the brands of the products in your home right now.
The thing is that advertising by itself isn't the reason, the problem is that this kind of mentality is culturally learned, and advertising simply perpetuates it. Western (or at least American) media conditions people to believe that guns, graphics, swearing, violence, sex, antisocial behavior, and the like are "cool". So I don't see the market shifting away from dudebro so easily, the games are designed around what western culture wants you to want.
Dear god this thread, can any if you actually describe what the hell dude bro even means. I mean the only two games that could even qualify are gears and god of war and both are somewhat over the top and to the point of parody at times.
Dudebro games are generally defined by several if not all of these characteristics:
-gameplay involves shooting
-dark, gritty environments
-emphasizes graphics and/or story over gameplay
-realistic character design, art style, and gameplay
-adult language, settings, and themes
In short, pretty much the antithesis of Nintendo's style. Nearly all of the retail games (at least 95% of them) on Microsoft and Sony's consoles are dudebro games.
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