Topic: Game Theory: Virtual Boy and Wii U. Interesting watch.

Taking it too literally, sir.

You are demanding the impossible.

Solar flares, my friend. I pray to the Sun God.

This theory is laughable..... Of course, the resemblance is striking, but 2014 sounds promising and there's the Wii. Nintendo's previous masterpiece (am I overjudging the Wii or is it accurate?) has CRUSHED the competition BECAUSE of its innovation even with the small number of third-praty support they had.

The problem is the Wii U GamePad. Nintendo has created a GOLD MINE, but they don't know how to use it, which lead to the overuse of the Off-TV Play function.

1. No, the Battery Life of the WiiU controller is FAR worse than the competition's battery life. 2 Hours is the max you can get for your WiiU Gamepad, that's far below the standard that should have been applied to the Controller.

2. The Gamepad itself was said to be manufactured for at least $100 or more which adds to the console's price tag. He also explained it in the video, they compromised the Graphical Input of the WiiU in favor for the Gamepad which when you look at it, is true.
source: http://wiiudaily.com/2013/02/wii-u-gamepad-costs-around-140-t...

3. The Tech isn't exactly rushed, but the WiiU was. It's been stated that the WiiU was rushed to market, The Reason why we got a Day 1 1 gigabyte update was because Nintendo wanted to put the system in Store Shelves as fast as possible and pretty much have everything else be finished when the system launch. Had they not done this, the WiiU would have missed it's November launch date, then again doing that probably would have made the WiiU a lot better.
source: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=500430

4.+5. This is a controversial bit. The Reasons he stated are actually (bite your pride) true. The PS3 and 360 both had better versions of Batman, Darksiders, Assassin's Creed or Call of Duty, however There are some sites that have stated that Assassin's Creed 3 for WiiU was really not a bad port, if you could even call it a port. It held up pretty well and It should be a No Brainer that Ninja Gaiden 3 for WiiU was the better version of the game since it had everything people wanted from it in it. The Only downside was Framerate which was very clunky for a fast action paced hack and slash.

6. This is primarily the reason why I'm quoting you here, because what you have stated is COMPLETELY BULL CRAP.
SOOOOO MUCH BULL, it's funny. Saying that Nintendo can survive without Third Party is laughable. You might as well tell Nintendo to shove off and go Third Party. Let me show you something it might give you a clearer picture of WHY I think your reasoning is bull.
The Pictures are old, but this is Nintendo consoles and helds for Gamecube, Wii, WiiU, DS, and 3DS.

This is ALL Nintendo. Nintendo ONLY. Games in house or the IPs are held by Nintendo. Good list right? I mean if this was your library you'd have 46 games at your disposal. Not bad, huh? I mean I only BUY Nintendo games on Nintendo systems right....right?

BAH BOOOOM!
3rd Party! on Nintendo! Look at that! That's a pretty big number! Almost double the previous image! 75 games are in that picture, 75! That's a whole 29 more games on the Platforms! Crazy right?
But wait you only buy Nintendo Games on Nintendo Platforms right? Screw Third party! Instead of getting 121 games for my systems I'll settle for 49!

That's actually quite awful. Nintendo NEEDS third party to survive. 1st party alone is not a healthy environment for consoles, considering development times are long and rigorous you need that Third Party to fill in the gaps with their games, if you're just 1st party all the time, you're going to get gaps like the one we have now for WiiU. From February to the end of May the WiiU gets only 2 major retail releases. Meanwhile the other systems are getting nearly 5 or 6.

WiiU is not getting the Third Party support it needs to survive. I would have LOVED to play South Park the Stick of Truth on my WiiU, Dark Souls 2 is literally BUILT FOR the Miiverse community! Yet we're not getting that. We're not getting that at all.

The Reasons he stated can be pretty easily countered.....if you ignore the rest of the issues at hand.

I don't understand this common hatred for asymmetrical gaming on the Wii U. When I first used the GamePad for Multiplayer I was blown away by it. I love my GamePad and the second screen experiences it gives me. Even simple things like being able to turn on my TV and Console with the same device, seeing a program guide for my local channels, having the best control over netflix and hulu videos and even playing a web clip on the TV while I search for another one on the fly with the gamepad.

As for battery life, the aftermarket batteries are NOT that expensive if it's that much of an issue to you, and finding a plug by the couch is a very simple fix. After all most of us have lived with cords in our controllers for decades and honestly, i prefer it that way as they were harder to lose, and you never had to worry about running out of batteries in the case of a wiimote or xbox 360 controller. The only disgusting thing i found was at gamestop they were selling the little plastic stand for the gamepad for 20 bucks. The same item was at a local toys r us for 5.

Except the thing has a screen on it and it matches basically every tablet out there. Aside from that, the charging cord, as you carefully slipped around in my argument, is LONG. I've been able to play it plugged in near my couch without any problems. 3.5 - 5 hours of battery life isn't that bad at all when the charging cord is factored in.

2. The Gamepad itself was said to be manufactured for at least $100 or more which adds to the console's price tag. He also explained it in the video, they compromised the Graphical Input of the WiiU in favor for the Gamepad which when you look at it, is true.
source: http://wiiudaily.com/2013/02/wii-u-gamepad-costs-around-140-t...

Compromised the graphical input of the Wii U...? As if that matters...? The Wii's graphical input was barely above the GameCube's and all it had on it was motion controls. And there were fantastic-looking and great games on that! As for expensive, it's still cheaper than a tablet which usually goes for $200+ and it still has buttons on it along with a ton of other features. At $100 it's only twice as expensive as a PS3/360 controller and people buy multiples of those anyway for local multiplayer.

3. The Tech isn't exactly rushed, but the WiiU was. It's been stated that the WiiU was rushed to market, The Reason why we got a Day 1 1 gigabyte update was because Nintendo wanted to put the system in Store Shelves as fast as possible and pretty much have everything else be finished when the system launch. Had they not done this, the WiiU would have missed it's November launch date, then again doing that probably would have made the WiiU a lot better.
source: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=500430

And the other consoles weren't rushed? Games haven't been rushed in the past? I'll stand by what I said with the Wii U not being rushed because it's a solid piece of tech that clearly had time and energy put into it. We didn't see it until E3 2011 and the final product wasn't revealed until E3 2012. If it was rushed, I doubt we'd have seen the GamePad change as much as it did between the two showings. And even then, there was time before E3 2011 that Nintendo was working on the Wii U.

4.+5. This is a controversial bit. The Reasons he stated are actually (bite your pride) true. The PS3 and 360 both had better versions of Batman, Darksiders, Assassin's Creed or Call of Duty, however There are some sites that have stated that Assassin's Creed 3 for WiiU was really not a bad port, if you could even call it a port. It held up pretty well and It should be a No Brainer that Ninja Gaiden 3 for WiiU was the better version of the game since it had everything people wanted from it in it. The Only downside was Framerate which was very clunky for a fast action paced hack and slash.

"Bite my pride"? The PS3 and 360 had the same game without GamePad support. The lack of caring from Activision and other companies by not releasing DLC to the Wii U hardly is fair in saying the PS360 versions were better. Bare bones game, the Wii U version is just as good as or better in many ways. Black Ops 2 doesn't take as long for a match to start and doesn't have as vicious pop-in and Arkham City streamlines menus with the GamePad as well as a map that makes exploring the city easier.

6. This is primarily the reason why I'm quoting you here, because what you have stated is COMPLETELY BULL CRAP.
SOOOOO MUCH BULL, it's funny. Saying that Nintendo can survive without Third Party is laughable. You might as well tell Nintendo to shove off and go Third Party. Let me show you something it might give you a clearer picture of WHY I think your reasoning is bull.
The Pictures are old, but this is Nintendo consoles and helds for Gamecube, Wii, WiiU, DS, and 3DS.

This is ALL Nintendo. Nintendo ONLY. Games in house or the IPs are held by Nintendo. Good list right? I mean if this was your library you'd have 46 games at your disposal. Not bad, huh? I mean I only BUY Nintendo games on Nintendo systems right....right?

BAH BOOOOM!
3rd Party! on Nintendo! Look at that! That's a pretty big number! Almost double the previous image! 75 games are in that picture, 75! That's a whole 29 more games on the Platforms! Crazy right?
But wait you only buy Nintendo Games on Nintendo Platforms right? Screw Third party! Instead of getting 121 games for my systems I'll settle for 49!

That's actually quite awful. Nintendo NEEDS third party to survive. 1st party alone is not a healthy environment for consoles, considering development times are long and rigorous you need that Third Party to fill in the gaps with their games, if you're just 1st party all the time, you're going to get gaps like the one we have now for WiiU. From February to the end of May the WiiU gets only 2 major retail releases. Meanwhile the other systems are getting nearly 5 or 6.

WiiU is not getting the Third Party support it needs to survive. I would have LOVED to play South Park the Stick of Truth on my WiiU, Dark Souls 2 is literally BUILT FOR the Miiverse community! Yet we're not getting that. We're not getting that at all.

Right. Let me stop you there. Nintendo CAN survive without third parties because... Wait for it... They kind of do. Nintendo hasn't had proper third party support for a while. Even though third party games are great and can increase the audience the system appeals to, Nintendo titles usually move systems. For example, when the 3DS was struggling, games like Mario Kart 7, Ocarina of Time 3D, and Kid Icarus pulled it out of it's slump. With third parties taking a nose-dive once again on the Wii U, we see increases in sales with games like Super Mario 3D World and Donkey Kong Country.

The other two THRIVE on third parties because without them, what are they left with? Microsoft has Halo, Gears of War, Forza, and... And Sony's got inFamous, Uncharted, Killzone, and... Sure, that's not all of the exclusives, but those are the more popular ones and definitely offer less variety than Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Kirby, etc.

Another thing, more games doesn't exactly mean more GOOD games. Pretty much ALL of Nintendo's offerings are top-quality games. With more games comes more opportunities to fail. Sure, the Wii U won't get Dark Souls II or Kingdom Hearts 3, but at least it doesn't have Knack, Ryse, Amy, or Ride to Hell.

The Reasons he stated can be pretty easily countered.

Fixed it for you.

1. Okay first off, WiiU gamepad as a tablet, is Terrible. Considering if you want to use the Gamepad as a Tablet, you'll also have to lug around a big brick and plug it in somewhere in order to use it and that kinda defeats the purpose of a tablet. Also the Charger is long, but why make the controller Wireless if you're going to plug it in all the time? It also doesn't really make too much sense why the Tablet isn't USB based either. Why do we have that extra Charger? that extra cord that's taking the space of our Surge Protecters, why not just make the Controller USB Based so we could use the WiiU as the Charging Device? It's also pretty restricting to strap yourself to an outlet too. "Oh but it's long though!" It doesn't excuse Nintendo for making a Controller with poor battery life. Just so you know I have a Android Phone that can last for an Entire Day of me playing Apps or whatever without the use of charging. And you're saying the Gamepad has the same battery life as something like an Android or iPad? Give me a break.

2. Yes it does matter. You have to be blind to not know that kind of stuff matters in today's gaming age. Some of us don't really care about Graphics, but a lot of people do. It's a sad fact, but someone has to say it, and by the way, The WiiU's competition, is not the Tablet market and if it was, then the WiiU is failing horribly considering it's app store is horrendous in comparison to Google Play or the App Store, and also people aren't just buying PS3 and 360s just to play local co-op. They're buying PS3s and 360s because they're still relevant in today's gaming age. If the WiiU was more up to snuff it would be getting games like South Park, Dark Souls, Thief, The Witcher 3, etc, etc. Consumer confidence would build because Next Gen Engines will be supported, but as it stands now, WiiU would be lucky to have even gotten Unreal 4 or Capcom's Deep Down game engine. But seeing that thread about "Begging Square to put Final Fantasy XV on WiiU" is just laughable because the System simply can't handle the game engine. Would have been avoided, but Nintendo really wanted that tablet and compromises had to be made.

3. Xbox 1 and PS4 I believe weren't rushed at all. Those two systems didn't have "Vital" Day 1 Updates if I recall. They didn't have updates to where if you didn't have them, certain and key features would not be on the system unless you updated (like WiiU). They came out exactly as intended. WiiU needed more time. The Necessary functions for TVii wasn't ready, The System was slow, Wii games couldn't be played unless you had that Day 1 Update. WiiU when it launched, was not what was intended.

4. Like I said this is a bit controversial. You can argue a bit on how WiiU versions of Multiplats are just as good as the PS3 and 360 multiplats. But I said what I said due to experience and looking at sites like Digital Foundry. Darksiders 2 on WiiU is a weaker version of the game. Call of Duty I will agree that was really the fault of the developer, for not releasing the DLC for the game because even though the Campaign of the game was technically not as great as the others (in frames and resolution) the multiplayer aka the bread and butter of COD was actually unchanged for the WiiU version so there really was no reason for there not to be any dlc for wiiU, but there isn't so that's why 360 and PS3 and X1/PS4 versions of BLOPs2 and Ghosts are better, simply because they're getting support.

5. Yeah and which console is actually selling the least? What was the big game for the 3DS last month? Bravely Default? A SQUARE ENIX GAME? Yeah WiiU won't get Knack, Ryse, or Ride to Hell, but it won't also get, Bioshock Infinte, Tomb Raider, South Park the Stick of Truth, Crisis 3, Dead Space 3, Metro Last Light, Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid V Ground Zeros, Metal Gear Solid Rising Revengence, Farcry 3, Skyrim, Farcry 3 Blood Dragon, Yaiba: Ninja Gaiden Z, Grand Theft Auto V, Dark Souls 2, Saints Row IV, Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2, Battlefield 4, Thief, Resident Evil 6, Ultra Street Fighter IV, Xcom, and that's just the tip of the Ice burg. Meanwhile you continue to say that Nintendo games are going to push and sell Nintendo Platforms, which yes it's true, but that would have been true for Sony and Microsoft say if Halo came out for Xbox 1 or if Sony released a new Jak and Daxter game for PS4. That's what Exclusives are supposed to do, however Multiplats do also play in that role as well, Titanfall was one of the biggest games this year and it was hyped to heck for the Xbox one and we will see if that actually sold more X1s than before despite the game being on mulitple systems. Multiplats are there to give more life to the System. A system with just 1st party is a doomed system. for the example of my Picture up there yes you would get maybe 17 great games, but that's over the course of 5 years. Why would you settle for 17 great games when you could have gotten 42 AMAZING ones? That doesn't make sense. While you like it or not 3rd Party is important and very much so to Nintendo's life cycle and ignoring them is just going to hurt more than it helps.

6. Easily countered, maybe for a fanboy.

3rd party would really help Nintendo out. You have to consider the fact that the amazing 1st Party games that come out on Nintendo consoles don't come out very often...

They do have indies

1. Batteries = Bad
They're rechargeable and you can easily plug it in while you play.
2. Expensive Technology
Uhm... okay? Modern technology is expensive.
3. Rushed Technology
It's not rushed. Nintendo starts working on a new console as soon as the first one is finished. The launch may have been a bit rushed, but not the technology itself.
4. Barley (sic) Any Games/No Games
The virtual boy had ~14 games total. Wikipedia shows 34 games for Wii U on launch day in North America.
5. No Launch Titles
Again, there were 34. Counting retail and eshop.
6. No Third Party Support
Considering VB only had 14 games, it sounds to me like it barely had any first or second party support either. Also, the n64 and gamecube both were lacking in third party support as well. Granted, not as bad as Wii U's, but still, it's a terribly unfair comparison to compare it to virtual boy.

I made this for the other thread, but it got deleted. So I'll just post it here.

Here's the final part of his trilogy and all I can say is...

Yeah. Pretty much.

Jesus, that guy voicing that is so horrible. I can't watch it

this was probably the most interesting opinion I have herd on the wii u sales matter.