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Topic: Game Theory: Virtual Boy and Wii U. Interesting watch.

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ZurrrrBlattTron

I knew this would be all over Nintendo websites but I hope everyone realizes he's not saying DOOOOOOOMMMM he's giving a simple theory as to what if Nintendo can't make the Wii U a success these will probably be the reasons

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siconlol wrote:

I knew this would be all over Nintendo websites but I hope everyone realizes he's not saying DOOOOOOOMMMM he's giving a simple theory as to what if Nintendo can't make the Wii U a success these will probably be the reasons

More specifically, he's drawing simple comparisons between the two systems to show that this may not have been such a great step. He's not DEEEEMMMSAIYAN! He just wants to point out that a lot of the big complaints fall right in line with some of the bigger issues the Virtual Boy had.

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ZurrrrBlattTron

UGXwolf wrote:

siconlol wrote:

I knew this would be all over Nintendo websites but I hope everyone realizes he's not saying DOOOOOOOMMMM he's giving a simple theory as to what if Nintendo can't make the Wii U a success these will probably be the reasons

More specifically, he's drawing simple comparisons between the two systems to show that this may not have been such a great step. He's not DEEEEMMMSAIYAN! He just wants to point out that a lot of the big complaints fall right in line with some of the bigger issues the Virtual Boy had.

Exactly! I'm amazed by how everyone is too negative to believe that the Wii U is a success in it's own right I just think too many people are comparing and suspecting Wii sale numbers look at the PSP Vita it's doing worse than the 3ds and Wii U ever had yet no gloom and doom for Sony because not a lot of people cared about the OG PSP to begin with but eh I guess its just my opinion

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He has a lot of valid points (although I don't necessarily agree with all of them), so this is more like Game REALITY
Much different than the other episodes but still entertaining nonetheless. There's a lot of truth in this!

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Philip_J_Reed

He makes several good points. The one point he makes that has no connection to reality, though, is the fact that the gamepad is holding back developers. He says it's easier to port to other consoles with traditional control schemes, rather than have to find a way to integrate a second screen.

And while that's true...the massive success of the DS / 3DS family of consoles makes it pretty clear that that's not the issue. Finding a use for another screen isn't unique to the WiiU, and that's not what's holding support back.

There are problems with the WiiU.

That's not one.

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8BitSamurai wrote:

The year head start is completely relevant to what you said, to be fair. The Xbox One has been out for 4 months, and the Wii U has been out for a year longer. That the Xbox One is already overtaking it says a lot.

It's outselling it on a weekly basis but it's not "overtaking" it. It's the PS4 that has already overtaken it in terms of install base and it continues to move ~2.5x more units than the XBOne. Which is something especially when Titan fall is the flavour of the month ATM.

If the Wii U and XBOne continue at the pace they are right now then the Wii U will have a smaller install base than the XBOne by the end of the year. However that's a big if given that the Wii U is slowly starting to gain some more momentum while the XBOne is slowly trending the other way. Especially when this is the year of Smash, Kart, X and Bayonetta.

It's looking more and more like XBox and Gamecube vs the PS2.....

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skywake

UGXwolf wrote:

He just wants to point out that a lot of the big complaints fall right in line with some of the bigger issues the Virtual Boy had.

If you want to manipulate the FUD you can make anything "line up" with the Virtual Boy. I've seen people compare the Wii, DS and 3DS to the Virtual Boy so it's not really something that adds anything to the discussion. The dude says right there in the video that the VB only sold 700k lifetime, had a library of ~15 games, forced you to churn through AAs and literally caused you to feel sick. The Wii U looks like a massive success compared to that.

It's like those people who go to political protests waving signs comparing some minor first world scuffle to major historical atrocities. As soon as they do it they've lost the argument.

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Really interesting video.......

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BABBLE

this is just too funny. people are squirming over a joke. i can't believe anyone is worried about the wii u becoming a virtual boy! everyone knows or SHOULD know that the Virtual Boy was more of a marketing test than a full-fledged 5 star quality system. But in actuality, it kinda makes me want my Virtual Boy back. I loved Mario Tennis on that thing.

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UGXwolf

Guitardude7 wrote:

As a Game Theory fan, I know very well that these are never serious. They're more for laughs if anything. He makes a few valid points but this is ultimately just for entertainment purposes. Hell, in one episode he tried to prove that Mario was mentally insane and in another that Peach has Stockholm syndrome. Just take it in stride

This. Exactly this. He makes a few valid points, and the rest is just for lulz.

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skywake wrote:

UGXwolf wrote:

He just wants to point out that a lot of the big complaints fall right in line with some of the bigger issues the Virtual Boy had.

If you want to manipulate the FUD you can make anything "line up" with the Virtual Boy. I've seen people compare the Wii, DS and 3DS to the Virtual Boy so it's not really something that adds anything to the discussion. The dude says right there in the video that the VB only sold 700k lifetime, had a library of ~15 games, forced you to churn through AAs and literally caused you to feel sick. The Wii U looks like a massive success compared to that.

It's like those people who go to political protests waving signs comparing some minor first world scuffle to major historical atrocities. As soon as they do it they've lost the argument.

Again, no one's actually saying it'll do as poorly as the Virtual Boy. He even pointed out that little flaw in his logic in the video. Like I said. He just wants to point out some things that line up. If he calls it a failure, it's to dramatize it, as he often does. We all know better, anyways. At WORST, this console will do Gamecube numbers, unless Nintendo does something dumb like drop the console.

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skywake

UGXwolf wrote:

Again, no one's actually saying it'll do as poorly as the Virtual Boy. He even pointed out that little flaw in his logic in the video. Like I said. He just wants to point out some things that line up. If he calls it a failure, it's to dramatize it, as he often does. We all know better, anyways. At WORST, this console will do Gamecube numbers, unless Nintendo does something dumb like drop the console.

And you're missing what I was saying. Yes, things "line up" but every console "lines up" with the Virtual Boy in some ways. The GameBoy gimped on the number of colours they could display to keep the costs down. The DS was a "third pillar" system for Nintendo, required specialised programming and was an underpowered system. The Wii was something completely out of left field, chewed through the AAs and required a large investment in extra controllers to be "playable". The 3DS at launch had horrible battery life, pushed 3D, was too expensive and had a library of software that was about as pathetic as the VB's was most of its first year. And that's just Nintendo's hardware over the last few years.

It's not enough just to simply say that it's "like the Virtual Boy" and that they should have seen it coming. It's even less than enough when the similarities listed don't even add up, like the cost example. I even saw a bargain deal for the Wii U this morning which blows the "it's too pricey" thing away. $250AU for the Wii U basic bundle which includes the 8GB Wii U, Nintendo Land and Skylanders SWAP Force Starter Pack. At that price on shelves it's about the same price as the cheapest console not named 2DS that you can easily buy new.

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BABBLE

skywake wrote:

UGXwolf wrote:

Again, no one's actually saying it'll do as poorly as the Virtual Boy. He even pointed out that little flaw in his logic in the video. Like I said. He just wants to point out some things that line up. If he calls it a failure, it's to dramatize it, as he often does. We all know better, anyways. At WORST, this console will do Gamecube numbers, unless Nintendo does something dumb like drop the console.

And you're missing what I was saying. Yes, things "line up" but every console "lines up" with the Virtual Boy in some ways. The GameBoy gimped on the number of colours they could display to keep the costs down. The DS was a "third pillar" system for Nintendo, required specialised programming
and was an underpowered system. The Wii was something completely out of left field, chewed through the AAs and required a large investment in extra controllers to be "playable". The 3DS at launch had horrible battery life, pushed 3D, was too expensive and had a library of software that was about as pathetic as the VB's was most of its first year. And that's just Nintendo's hardware over the last few years.

It's not enough just to simply say that it's "like the Virtual Boy" and that they should have seen it coming. It's even less than enough when the
similarities listed don't even add up, like the cost example. I even saw a bargain deal for the Wii U this morning which blows the "it's too pricey" thing away. $250AU for the Wii U basic bundle which includes the 8GB Wii U, Nintendo Land and Skylanders SWAP Force Starter Pack. At that price on shelves it's about the same price as the cheapest console not named 2DS that you can easily buy new.

I can tell he means a good joke. I've been following this story on the internet pretty good and you wouldn't believe the negativity towards this Nintendo sales number thing. If you take time to google this issue you might be surprised at how some people are scared of losing their favorite game company. Which is ridiculous, but, i can't help but say that most of the big gaming sites are responsible for this. Would anybody be fearing anything if it wasn't for popular media?

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Pazzo-TheFool

ClockworkMario wrote:

Well I don't know... some of the arguments he presents are awfully weak (battery life, launch games) or at least up for debate. Some similarities can be drawn, yes, but the truth is that Wii U has already exceeded VB in both game library and sales, and at the very least Nintendo will support it strongly this year (along with a few 3rd party games here and there).

Welcome to Game Theory. Weak Arguments is MattPat's biggest gun in this arsenal. Seriously, I hear WAY too many kids at school that take Game Theory as Gospel.

Another off topic sad note: I told some kids two years younger than me that Mega Man was going to be in SSB4, and here's what they said:

Kid 1: Who?

Kid 2: Mega... Man?

Kid 3: Oh awesome! I always loved that movie!
Me: What movie..?
Kid 3: You know, the one with the guy with the big blue forehead...

I literally wanted to cry.

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Guitardude7 wrote:

As a Game Theory fan, I know very well that these are never serious. They're more for laughs if anything. He makes a few valid points but this is ultimately just for entertainment purposes. Hell, in one episode he tried to prove that Mario was mentally insane and in another that Peach has Stockholm syndrome. Just take it in stride

I just wish he'd make that more clear. I meet to many kids who think he's the prophet of gaming, and everything he says is truth.

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ACK

This is a waste of everyone's time. I was there for the Virtual Boy launch and incredibly short lifespan. It has nothing in common with the Wii U. Seriously, those are weak arguments. The VB was expensive, unwieldy, and gave people headaches. On top of that, nobody wanted red, monochromatic visuals.

None of those issues have anything to do with the Wii U unless you are interested in some mental gymnastics to bend logic and reason.

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Mask0Gears wrote:

Guitardude7 wrote:

As a Game Theory fan, I know very well that these are never serious. They're more for laughs if anything. He makes a few valid points but this is ultimately just for entertainment purposes. Hell, in one episode he tried to prove that Mario was mentally insane and in another that Peach has Stockholm syndrome. Just take it in stride

I just wish he'd make that more clear. I meet to many kids who think he's the prophet of gaming, and everything he says is truth.

Never heard of this junk, but if this stuff is true, just shut it down. Turn off the Internets. The last thing we need is another farcical YouTube channel serving no purpose but to confuse the uninformed with indulgent, unfunny commentary about literally nothing.

We need young generations raised on legit journalism and the internet appears to have completely sabotaged the spread of information and ideas. It all starts with this useless entertainment commentary distracting from the actual search for truth. Turn it off.

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Seriously if the Wii U is ending up like the virtual boy, then how did it end up selling over a million units? Not to mention that most people praise the system's existence.

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