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tripunktoj

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Which is the best way to connect a NES to a LED HD TV? using RCA composite video (yellow, white) cables or with RF switch and antenna cable. Which would give me better picture and sound quality? Can one of them decrease the input lag NES has with HDTV? Also, will the noise reduction feature turned on increase input lag?

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I have an LCD, and my old systems actually work just fine (Light guns aside). Use composite, with an audio splitter (or you'll be getting mono from one speaker, not a big deal though). Also, some TV's have a "game mode", which should decrease the lag.

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MAB

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@WaveBoy will help you out with his old-school to new-school head of TV settings know-how wall of text ;)

Something about black levels and PQ :P

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MadAussieBloke wrote:

@WaveBoy will help you out with his old-school to new-school head of TV settings know-how wall of text ;)

Something about black levels and PQ :P

If by helping him out you mean Wavavision calling him crazy for attempting to hook up a retro console to anything other than a CRT then yes you are correct.

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WaveyChristmas

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WaveOvision bit the bait once again.lol
Now, which is the best way to connect an NES to an LED HDTV? The best way to connect it, is to not connect it at all. ;)

Get one of these!
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If you're playing your retro consoles on a modern HDTV, you're not champin' B-)

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I have to agree with Waveboy. Get yourself a CRT TV for your older systems. YOu can pick one up for next to nothing at a thrift store or garage sale. Retro system just aren't meant to be played on HDTVs.

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Get one of these!
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If you're playing your retro consoles on a modern HDTV, you're not champin' B-)

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Now I want to paint my room with shades of electric blue and mexican pink. And fill it with stuff from the 80's.

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tripunktoj

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Yes, I know old consoles work better with CTRs and yes I have my NES hooked to one. But there are times when I prefer the (much) bigger display of my LED TV than the picture quality of my CTR. There's no reason to not connect it to both TVs if you have them, that's why I ask which connection works best for NES to HDTVs, specially in terms of input lag and picture quality. @WaveBoy ?

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tripunktoj wrote:

Yes, I know old consoles work better with CTRs and yes I have my NES hooked to one. But there are times when I prefer the (much) bigger display of my LED TV than the picture quality of my CTR. There's no reason to not connect it to both TVs if you have them, that's why I ask which connection workss best for NES to HDTVs, specially in terms of input lag and picture quality. @WaveBoy ?

I don't know IMO this is a case of bigger is not better. :D I have a 48 inch HDTV and I will take my 27 inch CRT for my NES over the HDTV any time. I don't know though maybe thats just me.

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Just google your thread title... Done ;)

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Ryno

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@tripunktoj: I dont know about the difference in input lag, but for picture quality and sound I would go with the RCA cables.

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tripunktoj wrote:

Yes, I know old consoles work better with CTRs and yes I have my NES hooked to one. But there are times when I prefer the (much) bigger display of my LED TV than the picture quality of my CTR. There's no reason to not connect it to both TVs if you have them, that's why I ask which connection works best for NES to HDTVs, specially in terms of input lag and picture quality. @WaveBoy ?

The big problem is that your HDTV has to de-interlace these NES games which increases input lag, either way you're going to get lag no matter what connection you use but you know that...that's the beauty of these silly HDTV's, sacraficing button response in favor of shiny pretty graphics on a flat screen TV. in your case since you own an LED, you'll get the bonus of having that nasty motion blur and weak black levels to boot. :p ) I still wouldn't put up with anything past 1 frame of lag and definitly no more than 2. You could always go to DisplayLag.com and see if your HDTV comes up with a number if you're curious. But yeah, like one of the other users said just use composite cables with a splitter to seperate the mono audio. There's nothing worse than wearing a pair of headphones and getting audio in only one ear cup.lol this will correct this.

They sell Composite cables now specificly for the NES that seperates the mono audio into left and right signals, got myself a pair and it works like a charm. ;)

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tripunktoj wrote:

Yes, I know old consoles work better with CTRs and yes I have my NES hooked to one. But there are times when I prefer the (much) bigger display of my LED TV than the picture quality of my CTR. There's no reason to not connect it to both TVs if you have them, that's why I ask which connection workss best for NES to HDTVs, specially in terms of input lag and picture quality. @WaveBoy ?

I don't know IMO this is a case of bigger is not better. :D I have a 48 inch HDTV and I will take my 27 inch CRT for my NES over the HDTV any time. I don't know though maybe thats just me.

Bigger defineitly isn't better when it comes to retro gaming. I think a 25" - 27" is the perfect size for NES & SNES games. Besides his CRT doesn't have motion blur and most likely is whipping out better blacks than his LED. He's taking a big sacrifice in motion resolution, most likely black levels and button response that all HDTV"s have a problem with. I even found that playing my NES or SNES titles on my previous HDTV's resulted in a wierd a** dithering effect like in mega man for example whenever the screen would scroll from left to right. :p I couldn't deal with it. NES & SNES games looked better on my previous 2 plasma's, but that's because they had far better motion handeling and a punchier image due to the deeper blacks. Either way, neither beat my CRT and again, NO lag....One of the most important factors here, aside from that tastey toobular nostalgia that your Don't get from playing the classics on a modern day flat panel.

NES games looked blown up & whack on my previous 60" plasma....When you go that big with these vintage treats, you're not playing with power. ;)

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@WaveBoy So, you are saying that both connection methods give the SAME amount of input lag, right? or is one of the slightly better? Also, regarding blurriness and black levels, I can turn on noise reduction and black level to highest setting to make up for that, but doing so will increase input lag, Am I right?

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tripunktoj wrote:

@WaveBoy So, you are saying that both connection methods give the SAME amount of input lag, right? or is one of the slightly better? Also, regarding blurriness and black levels, I could turn on noise reduction and black level to highest setting to make up for that, but doing so will increase input lag, Am I right?

Well do you feel a difference in button response between the two? And if you're talking about Dynamic contrast when it comes to improving blacks, than leave that off as that like you said will ramp up the input lag by a teeny bit, same deal with noise reduction . it's best to turn off all of that extra picture processing to get the lowest amount of lag on your set, and if there's a game mode that may help too.

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@WaveBoy I tried it and I couldn't really notice difference, but there are a lot of other things that I really cant see difference when there is (like those xbox & ps3 comparisons), that's why I decided to ask here. My CRT is a 26" Trinitron so I am glad its the right size. What about N64, NGC and Wii? CRT or HD, which size?

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Get a pair of component cables for your Wii if your CRT has the inputs, it should if it's a Sony Wega trinitron from the mid 2000's. if not, score an S-Video cable which is the next best thing as it corrects color bleeding and sharpens up the image just as good as component(Although component has superior color and brightness) Vs basic composite...which is just junk, unless you're an NES, SNES ect. :p

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WaveBoy wrote:

bit the bait once again.lol

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isnt that cute. it appears youve spiked Rynos punch with something...what an entertaining sleepover host you must be :*

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WaveBoy wrote:

bit the bait once again.lol

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isnt that cute. it appears youve spiked Rynos punch with something...what an entertaining sleepover host you must be :*

The sleepovers are great, I definitely recommend them. Between Danny Tanner and Joey Gladstone with the adult supervision downstairs and the Nintendo room upstairs you will always be entertained. That Wave Island Ice Tea was amazing by the way. Plus if you are lucky enough, the Wavester will show his toy collection! ;)

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