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Grumblevolcano

For story I'd rank Fire Emblem:

Path of Radiance > Fire Emblem (GBA) > Radiant Dawn > Shadows of Valentia > Sacred Stones > Awakening > Fates (Birthright) > Shadow Dragon > Fates (Conquest)

Got around half way through Fates Conquest and it seems reasonable to put it below Shadow Dragon, haven't played any of Revelation.

For gameplay, my rankings would be:

Path of Radiance > Radiant Dawn > Fire Emblem (GBA) > Sacred Stones > Shadows of Valentia > Awakening > Fates > Shadow Dragon

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Heavyarms55

There hasn't been a Fire Emblem game I have played to completion and disliked. There are certainly some I like the story more and some I like the mechanics more, and some I like the art style more... but none that I actively dislike. I think the thing I have disliked the most in any FE game was the change from weapon durability to having strong weapons have debuffs instead. And even then, I got over that pretty quickly (though I am glad they seem to be ditching that and going back to durability!)

I had no real issues with Fates' story. I don't mind corny stories or awkward characters. Though I was not a fan of them breaking the game up into versions. That just felt like a money grab. (but as a long time Pokemon fan - I feel like I don't have the right to complain about that!)

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Snaplocket

I'd play the older games but permadeath just ruins the experience for me. Everyone's gonna make a mistake now and then.

ALso @GrumbleVolcano Fates (imo) has much better gameplay then Shadows at the very least. Not that Shadow's gameply was bad. I'd even argue Fate's gameplay was more polished then Awakening's as well (although the game as a whole is worse imo).

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From what I’ve been told, Genealogy of the Holy War actually has an absolutely amazing story.

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Heavyarms55

@Snaplocket Have you tried them? The GBA titles at least are certainly manageable. Especially Sacred Stones, as that game allows you to grind to eternity if you wish and then slaughter your way through levels like some kind of malevolent army of demi-gods.

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I wouldn’t place the blame entirely on the mangaka. Fates had a very troubled development process. There was internal dispute over what direction the games should take, and the plot had a problem of too many cooks in the kitchen. So the plot and such ended up being incoherent and very messy

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Dezzy

So to bring it back to Three Houses....do we know if you'll be able to explore multiple areas in the game, or is it just that monastery/school/academy place?

I actually quite enjoyed the dungeons in Echoes, even if the battles were mindnumbingly simplistic and repetitive.

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Snaplocket

@Heavyarms55 If it has permadeath then I won't like it, end of story.

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Grumblevolcano

Snaplocket wrote:

I'd play the older games but permadeath just ruins the experience for me. Everyone's gonna make a mistake now and then.

ALso @GrumbleVolcano Fates (imo) has much better gameplay then Shadows at the very least. Not that Shadow's gameply was bad. I'd even argue Fate's gameplay was more polished then Awakening's as well (although the game as a whole is worse imo).

I'm not a fan of the way weapons are handled in Fates and really dislike the way paralogues are handled in both Awakening and Fates (it's pretty much get married, have a child, paralogue is based around the child).

If there's paralogues in Three Houses, I hope it's more like Fire Emblem (GBA).

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Snaplocket

@Grumblevolcano Fair enough, but you do know that paralogues are entirely optional, right?

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alpacatears

Just saw the released video about the Black Eagle house and I'm starting to get pretty excited. It seems each week is going to be dedicated to a different house. I'm fully on the hype train at this stage

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SNES64DD

Sigh. Another game I might have to skip for later. #TOOMANYGAMES
Been playing since Awakening and enjoying myself so far.

I would love it if Sega would put Sakura Wars on the Switch.

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JaxonH

Never got the appeal of Sakura Wars. It looks so low budget, basically just a cheap visual novel with some light tactical gameplay here and there. Didn’t look appealing in the slightest.

I mean, I hope it comes over, just for the sake of anyone who wants to play it on Switch, and I might even be persuaded to give it a try if it did, but honestly, if Fire Emblem is A-tier, that game looks D-tier. That’s not to say lower budget style SRPGs can’t be good. Stella Glow was a fabulous hidden gem on 3DS. Really hope they port that game over or release a sequel.

Anyways, preload is live! Expansion pass bundle preload is also live! But you can’t preload the expansion pass separately, which sucks for people using a voucher for the base game. Oh well. I’ll just have to grab the expansion pass on release day.

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Ralizah

@JaxonH The new Sakura Wars is being developed by the Valkyria Chronicles team. It's going to be fantastic. One of the few PS4 games I'm ready and willing to purchase at or near launch.

Unless it gets a Switch version, but I'm not expecting that to happen.

Can't speak for the older games, though.

Besides, it's not like most of the Fire Emblem games have been particularly big budget experiences themselves.

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JaxonH

New footage released, and my goodness these maps are fantastic!

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I’ll have to take a look when it’s out. Hearing it’s the same developers as VC does change my perception of its potential, but even VC never reached the heights of FE for me on a strategy level. I love that series, don’t get me wrong, but more for how unique it is, and the art style. Not sure how well they’d do with classic grid based tactics. Sakura Wars reminds me of Robot Wars T. Which, it’s a good game, not great. And from what I’ve gathered, 80% of the gameplay is visual novel style, with only 20% being strategic battles. So it kind of feels like it’s not actually a strategy game, but visual novel with a touch of strategy to mix it up, as opposed to a strategy game with a touch of visual novel to mix it up. Maybe that’ll change for the new one, who knows. And that’s not to say dialog can’t be interesting. AI Somnium Files is a game I’m interested in. It’s just not a game I’m as interested in.

But yeah, the previous games aren’t doing it any favors I’d say. The new one looks like they stepped up the production values so that’s a plus, but as for gameplay, right now the previous games are all I have to go on. I watched some gameplay of the previous entry for both visual novel and strategy segments, and it wasn’t doing anything for me. The new one seems to be an improvement, and, it looks... fine. Like I said, I might be persuaded to check it out if it came to Switch, but I’m not interested enough at the moment to buy it on another platform.

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Ralizah

@JaxonH Just saying: the new one has a good pedigree, and, Sonic games aside, Sega-published titles are almost always really high quality.

I also like the idea of a hybrid strategy game and social/dating sim. I think a lot of people do. In fact, I think the way Awakening bumped up the social and romantic elements are a big reason why the series even exists as a thing today. I also think this emphasis is why the Persona series is a lot more popular than the SMT games, despite recent-ish games in that series being flat out superior in a lot of ways.

I guess it could be mediocre. But, unless reviews are unflattering or early footage douses my enthusiasm, it's definitely one of my top upcoming games.

While we're on the topic of "games that really need to come to Switch," I should mention Ys IX: Monstrum Nox. The footage we've seen makes it looks fantastic. Ys VIII is already one of the best games on the Switch.

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JaxonH

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I agree it’s a good mix. It’s one of the aspects of FE I love... provided it’s in the correct proportional mixture (like a recipe, each ingredient can be good on its own but when mixed with the wrong proportions you can get a terrible result), and when the dialog is endearing enough to make you truly feel attached to the characters. When the vast majority of gameplay is not strategy, I stop seeing it as a strategy game and start seeing it as a visual novel that has strategy elements. Which... is totally fine. I actually find that far more appealing than a straight visual novel. And the new one seems like they’ve elevated the game beyond just a visual novel. Seems they gave you some areas to run around in and stuff, which is great.

I’m totally open to having my opinion change if the game proves to be really good. I never dig my heels in and close off my mind from valid persuasion. If the game truly does prove to be that good I’ll probably pick it up. It just doesn’t seem as hype as some people are talking about it. Like Catherine Full Body. People hyping that game up like it’s the next Persona. I played that game and it was wack. The gameplay literally had you climbing blocks with sheep in your boxer shorts. I’ve learned that people hyping up a game from a developer with pedigree doesn’t always translate to a great game. Then again, sometimes it does. I’ll be curious to get your opinion on the game once it’s released.

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BruceCM

Ralizah wrote:

While we're on the topic of "games that really need to come to Switch," I should mention Ys IX: Monstrum Nox. The footage we've seen makes it looks fantastic. Ys VIII is already one of the best games on the Switch.

I'm sure Ys IX will be coming... People developing focus on 1 platform & then it gets ported & localized Like Ys VIII started with the Vita, then got added content for PS4, then got ported to Switch

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Ralizah

@JaxonH LOL the block-climbing sections are the main character's dreams. What really pulls people to Catherine is the highly mature and sexual storyline. It's unlike anything else you'll ever play.

I won't play Full Body, though. On principle. There is no reason whatsoever for that game to be skipping the Switch. I'll stick with the X360 version.

I'd be more offended by Atlus' snubbing of the Switch with ports if we weren't getting SMT V. The series might not be as high profile as something like Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest (or, hell, even its own spinoff, Persona), but, I'll tell you this: SMT is a dream series for hardcore JRPG fans. It's top of the list. I'm literally struggling to enjoy playing classic JRPGs I used to love now because the SMT series raised my standards for what can be done with traditional, turn-based JRPG gameplay.

The only thing that has been holding SMT back at all has been the fact that it transitioned to handhelds. And, as a handheld gamer, I do love my handheld JRPGs, but the wimpy tech was absolutely holding the developers back on how ambitious they could make the games. Now we have a home console that can be used a portable system, and SMT is being developed with these upgraded specs in mind. It's going to be fabulous. I'm more excited for SMT V than I am Breath of the Wild 2, and you know how much I love BotW.

@BruceCM It's possible NIS might develop a Switch port. While it bombed in Japan, I think the Switch port did best overseas, despite its late release. I won't get my hopes up until we hear something, though.

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BruceCM

Yeah, I'm hyped for SMT V, too, @Ralizah .... I'm following the Ys IX news, so as soon as I hear anything definite, I'll be sure to make sure it's posted in the forums, which it will be before I get here

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