Topic: Zelda's Wii U-Turn to NX

The thread is about ZeldaU becoming an NX launch title in 2016.

That's only possible if NX launches in 2016.

So @skywake and @octane have led the charge to show why NX is not a home console launching in 2016 so they can maintain the stance that ZeldaU is coming to only to WiiU (barring a later port type situation)

Alright, but what if, and just hear me out here: It's a 2017 release? Taking all of the rumors and stuff aside, what if it's released in 2017? Then it would make sense for either one of the console to get the axe. The Wii U because it's been kept as long as it can to make some money, and the 3DS because I think after about 6 years it's time to move onto something else.

1.Has Nintendo ever had such high expectations before?
2. The rumor stated that it would be released at some point around Q2 next year, so it states a general idea.
3.We'd have had to have heard of the rumors a bit longer than six months after the fact in order for the NX to be released in June.
4. Still need something on launch date!

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1. I'm honestly not sure but I don't think it's overly relevant as that shouldn't be a factor to sway anyone's opinion. They have that expectation now, which means they either feel they have something totally awesome, or it's a hybrid and it's causing them to shoot for the moons numbers wise because they're expecting it to cover both markets, so they're maybe combining the expectations they'd have for a home and portable console?
2. It does state that as a possibility, yes.
3. I don't know how things have been going behind the scenes. For all we know, they have been spending the last 3 years building 3rd party relationships. I just don't know.
4. Like... Zelda? Zelda and a 3d Mario(That team's been working on something for a while now). Along with Pikmin 4 (confirmed almost finished). Plus whatever Retro has been working on (that team has also been working on something for a while now) Then some 3rd party games. That sounds like a real decent start to a launch lineup, no? It has me excited.

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1. But doesn't at least seem SOMEWHAT unrealistic?
2. If they've been rebuilding third-party relationships for a couple of years, then wouldn't we have gotten more support from thrid parties on the Wii U in recent years?
3. That does sound decent, but I'm not sure if third-parties will have had enough time in order to make it to launch.
4. I highly doubt that Pikmin 4 will be on anything other than Wii U. If it's close to completion, it probably reuses assets from Pikmin 3.

1. You're repeating yourself now, man, I just answered that!
2. No, I don't feel I am I'm talking to someone for upwards of 14 or so pages (forget when he joined in the thread) and he genuinely is having difficulty understanding how something we have known for about 2 months and have about another 13 months to go comes close to 15 months. He also doesn't understand how that 15 months easily brings us into a launch window that consists of atleast a few months. How can I explain that basic math to somebody like 8 times without him understanding before I start to feel maybe he is just a young kid. I"m not trying to be mean or rude. But, come on.

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1. Already replied.
2. What have we known for about 2 months? A rumor that may or may not even be true?

Ugh..stop wasting your time, it's impossible to reason with him folks.

People are reading into all sorts of things. After you started this thread there was a Nintendo Direct where they literally said word for word "Twilight Princess HD AND the brand new Zelda game. Headed to Wii U" before flashing 2016 on the screen. But lets ignore that entirely because someone made a VLOG.

You mean like how they released the Wii Mini the month after the Wii U launched? Or the DSi two years before the 3DS launched? Maybe you've forgotten the GBA where they released the SP a year before the DS and the Micro a year after. Or go back to the Gameboy Color which launched just barely over two years before the GBA. The New 3DS isn't proof of anything.

I'll say it again. Nintendo estimated that the Wii U would sell 9mill units by December 2013. That was their sales prediction that turned out to be a bit too optimistic because they ended up only selling 5mill. In terms of a home console though 9mill by the end of the first year calendar year is far from insane. The Wii U is the only home console out of the last 6 that hasn't hit that number.

As for how portables do in comparison it's a bit rough. They don't launch at the same timeframe and unlike the home console space the amount of competition in dedicated portables has dropped. Sony is no-longer in the race, Nintendo has a monopoly so you can assume they'd grab some of that market. As an approximation the entire portable market sits at around 20mill/year with Nintendo taking about 75% of it. By comparison the home console market is about 30mill/year with Sony taking about 50% of it. For which one is 20mill in the first year more of a fantasy?

People seem to believe in doing the impossible and seeing the invisible.
Row! Row! Fight the power!

This thread = Something chocolate colored hitting a fan

Everything is crashing down on arguments that NX isn't launching in 2016, Zelda isn't launching with NX and NX won't be a home console.
It's happening.

If that's what you think then I don't believe you've been reading any of the arguments against.

1. The NX is launching in 2016 argument has always been plausible. The only change is that now it's based on a rumour rather than just speculation. But being a rumour it by definition could be well off the mark.

2. The argument that it has to be a home console is probably the most persistent one. It's really all a question of timing if you ask me. I don't think anyone doubts that we'll get a new Nintendo home console sooner rather than later. I think its fair to say that the same is true for Nintendo's portables. The bigger question is which one comes out first. We really have to consider the possibility that the NX, the one that comes out first, is actually a portable system. Nothing said so far has ruled that possibility out. Infact if anything the recent "20mill shipped in 2016" rumour and the possibility of a quick turn around make a portable seem far more likely.

3. The Zelda is launching with and on the NX speculation is just that. There is literally no evidence to go on for this one. All we know about Zelda U is that it's a Zelda game that they're planning to release on the Wii U in 2016. Worse yet for this theory based on nothing is that it requires #1 & #2 to also be true.

So it may not happen.

It's not about the Wii U's lifespan, it's about the launch of the NX. If it's a home console coming in 2016, despite the fact that that's very unlikely, I don't expect its launch to be any good. That's what this argument is about. I'm not sure what else I have to tell you to convince you that I'm indifferent towards the length of the Wii U's lifespan.

All right, let's keep the ad hominem arguments out of this.

The rumour about the dev kits being shipped was from October (which was actually one month ago when I posted that reply), but it's now December, but what difference does it make? The time between the dev kits being shipped to a 2016 NX release is just a little over a year, assuming the console comes out in November at its latest. So even with your December release, that's still 14 months. I don't want to keep nitpicking on your argument, but as you as you keep telling me it's ''simple maths'', I will do so.

I understand the difference between launch window and launch date. However, you must keep in mind that the Wii U had 34 games available on its first day in NA. Two of them were developed by Nintendo themselves, but 32 were third party games. Assuming that 20-30 games is the least you should expect on a launch day, that's still 20-30 games we're talking about that need to be ready for its launch on the first day. Expecting 5 ports on day one and other titles to roll out later isn't a viable market strategy. That isn't going to sell a console and that's exactly my point. It's insane to expect so many games to be ready in just ''13 months'', and we're not talking about 13 months of development time, that's including manufacturing, shipping, planning, testing the dev kits and whatnot. Let's not forget that the Wii U's dev kits had been out at least a year and half before its launch. We already had actual reports, not just rumours, from third party developers from Spring 2011 talking about the Wii U dev kit.

If the NX launches in 2016, Nintendo will be screwing themselves over.
Rushing development of games to fit into a launch before they've even given themselves enough time to get used to the tech, is what made it impossible for both third parties and Nintendo themselves to bulk up the launch line-up with a ton of worthwhile games for the Wii U.
Even if the NX turns out to be close to the PS4 and XBone, you KNOW that Nintendo likes doing things differently, so there's GOING to be some sort of learning curve.
Releasing in 2016 will just be the Wii U all over again; Nintendo won't have any titles to show for it that will draw a crowd unless it's natively BC with the Wii U, which WILL be getting Zelda U, and third parties won't have anything to show for it, because all the games people really want, are already a huge way into development on other systems, and there's no way they're going to be able to offer all of those games at the same release date as other systems if they start making NX versions of the upcoming multiplats this late in the game.

2017 would give both third parties AND Nintendo much more time, well over a YEAR, to actually learn the hardware inside and out, then make sure that they can optimize any ports made, while simultaneously developing brand new games.

Old ports won't cut it.
Wii U proves it.
And if it releases in 2016, old ports are going to be most of what it gets, which is a death trap.

Also, Nintendo just stated in their latest Direct that the next Zelda is headed to Wii U.
It's not going on NX until Nintendo says otherwise, and they haven't even HINTED otherwise.
Plus, after what we've seen of Xenoblade X, we KNOW that the Wii U can handle its own Zelda, and every console prior to this has had at least one unique Zelda game to call its own.
With the way Nintendo keeps referring to Zelda U, I can guarantee you that it won't be any different for the Wii U; It's getting Zelda U.
At most, the NX will get a port of it a couple of years after its launch as a run-up to Zelda NX.

B-but mah Twilight Princess, Twilight Princess dude! Twilight Princess tells it all, nearly a decade earlier. There's no need for critical analysis or even logic- just Twilight Princess. Twilight Princess. Twilight Princess.

Last Lugia it's hard to take your seriously when many of your posts are just snarky remarks towards people against you. I know, because I have been the same way. I suggest if you want to participate in the discussion, you don't mock others just because they don't think the same as you.

@Operative: I tried to take those people seriously months ago, and after being insulted and called names I have long lost the desire to try again. Thankfully, such people aren't active on the forums so I thought it was a suitable place it have a laugh and take the Mick a bit without drawing them down upon me. That's not banned is it? And thankfully you're not my mother and I'm an adult so I'll do what I want within the rules here thank you every much. I'm pretty sure I posted already on this particular thread my insightful, serious and soon to be proven correct opinion on the matter if you go back a page or two and care for my opinion. so I'm not a troll but I do have I'll admit a terrible sense of humour and I can't help it if an opportunity presents itself. So yeah thanks for the advice, I'll try to remember that within the dozens of 'Zelda U for NX coz Twilight Princess!' posts.

@TheLastLugia: OOh you're an adult. Well I shouldn't have made that suggestion, because your post made me think you were a child But good thing all those mean, vague people called you names, because then you might seem like you're not justified in acting like a child. Oh wait... You still aren't justified.

@Operative: if I was a child I'd be trying to make stupid deductions based of of events that happened nearly 10 years ago to suit my agenda. Oh shoot there I go again!

Literally everything at this point is just speculation regarding Zelda going to the NX or not. You calling someone stupid for using a prior event as a basis for their own predictions is immature and unnecessary. Even if I disagree with Skywake and Octane sometimes at least they're respectful to the people they discuss things with.

@Operative: it's a dumb example. In my opinion. I've never once called people stupid or such to them specifically but again, I'm allowed to question their logic. Seriously dude get off my case now, geez I was just being funny. At least that's what I thought

I'm sorry if I came off a bit harsh, it didn't seem like a joke as much as I thought you were mocking people like Let'sGoRetro, rallydefault, or myself who think a possible port to NX wouldn't be out of the question. Anyways, apologies

@Operative: if anyone wants to talk to me about it I'll say it a again, and again and again until its confirmed otherwise. It's reeeeeeeealllly stretching it to use that as an example for Zelda U considering the differences in hardware, scope of the game, Nintendo's situation and the videogame industry as a whole as compared to 2006. In my opinion. Of course, and I fully recognise and accept that you're entitled to your own. But when I see something that reeks of stretching logic to suit people's agenda I'll call them out on it, particularly when they post it all the time. Every Zelda U forum and discussion can't be had here without it being not just mentioned, but used as if it makes everything else irrelevant. It bugs me so I'll occasionally go the sarcastic route because that's the way I roll on occasion.

If that annoys people then fine, your 'logic' annoys me, we're even. But I'm not a troll, I'm not intentionally hateful or insulting. If I ever I am I would be the first to apologise but that's not happened. Yet. Hopefully it won't ever happen as I consider myself above the 'fanboy, Nintendoomed and Nintentard' hate brigade. I'll take your opinion of me onboard, no sarcasm for a while if it's starting to become obvious, I'll freshen things up a bit.

Edit: I accept your apology by the way, but I'd also appreciate it if you toned down your previous comments or even delete them, they're kinda flamey (not sure if that's how it's spelt or even a word lol) particularly because it's directed specifically at me. Did my sarcasm really oblige you to call me a child and belittle the insults I received? I don't think it's very nice so if you'll get rid of them that'd be greet

@LetsGoRetro: I'm not really obsessed with 2 Gamepads, that's more of a side gig, I'm obsessed with dates. And making dates. Neither of which Nintendo is very good at. Nor really anybody this gen. It's hard to find a notable game that hasn't been delayed, or been advertised for a very long time but still doens't have a date, or finally has a date but is still a long way off - that may just be No Man's Sky. The 2 Gamepads thing is more of a hobby.

You might be obsessed with me though, I have 3 emails in my in-box in a row all with your name on them, 11:08, 11:32, 11:33.