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@Donald_M No, it's not a game and giving a walking simulator GOTY just because it has gays in it is insane in a way only leftwing fanatics would do

@brandonbwii Debunked? You're completely delusional and i don't argue with mentally ill people. Peace out

@brandonbwii You REALLY should look into what went down with this game because it's clear you have no idea. I'm not going through all that but the evidence of collusion was clear as day and it's still out there

@Donald_M I actually did. I described how it's not a game and why it got all those rave reviews. Hopefully it will help people make an informed descision

Now are you going to address my questions or can i safely dismiss you as an average internet fool?

@Donald_M Losers, as in losers of the debate. Reading comprehension much? Also, you conveniently failed to address my questions. Do you have anything to contribute to this topic at all?

@kirbygirl That doesn't make it a game

@Donald_M So they're no good because what? You say so? How about you refute those points. Oh wait, you can't. Someone who just declares people with actual arguments as losers, despite not making a single counter argument is not qualified to judge anything

True or false - The entire point of the game is to promote a certain liberal agenda? (I'm trying not to spoil it in case anyone wants to waste their money on it)

True or false - It doesn't have a fail state? If it doesn't have a fail state, it's not a game

Played this a lot on the iPad. It always seemed to be the best platform for it to me. Large screen with responsive touch controls. I can't imagine playing this on the Switch

1. It's not a game
2. It chock full of social justice agenda crap
3. The devs are complete dicks
4. All those 11/10 Polygon game of the year awards only goes to show how utterly corrupt mainstream gaming media is. It got those ratings ONLY because of the narrative it's pushing

I can't think of any 'game' less deserving of your money. Well, ok, Sunset seems like it might be worse but i haven't played that (who has? beyond the 4000 suckers who kickstarted it?)

It's an affront to gamers

@KoopaTheGamer I think i'll manage fine. There is an abundance of these games on the Switch already. I sure don't need one that's focused on narrative with some identity politics thrown in

In fact, the above is why i know not to trust reviews. Just like there are oscar bait movies, there are review bait games and this one has that written all over it

Yes, we really need more metroidvanias with pixel art. Oh, could you make it narrative driven too? Maybe even hamfist some identity politics? That'd be swell /s. Hard pass

@BlackenedHalo I have never played any game in this series so i apologise if i'm completely ignorant here but that's exactly what it has alway seemed to be to me

Isn't it like early tier iOS games? What's the secret i'm missing that makes people pay full price? I want in on it

Big nope. The dev is a scumbag. It could be the best game in the world, i still wouldn't touch it

@Jop Fake study? Conspiracy theories on EU destroying storytelling? Yea, we're done here. I don't debate irrational people, sorry. That's like playing chess with a pigeon

@Jop Yes, that's in fact what you said. You said, and i quote, 'No, it's: You have a game, I want to have the game but I pirate it, you are out of 60 euro's'
That implies the dev (or did you actually mean who ever bought the game? That makes even less sense) losing 60 euros whenever someone pirates a game. It's also blatantly false. As for you trying to discredit the study because 'governments try to destroy storytelling every chance they get' i'm afraid i'm going to need some credible sources or it's tinfoil hat time. In case of the latter, we're done here. Also, the EU actually tried to suppress the study. So much for your storytelling theory huh?
https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/22/eu-suppressed-study-piracy-no-sales-impact/
If i seem rude it's because i find your type of argument pointless. You make wild claims for which you present no evidence and then try to move the goalposts. I, on the other hand, have presented evidence to support my statement that piracy is not stealing, since stealing doesn't usually make money for the victim

Finally, i urge you to read Gabe Newell's statement on piracy. His perspective made Steam the behemoth it is today. He realised that piracy is not about money, it's about service so he made a digital store without region locking, with lots of extra features and frequent sales. A one stop shop for PC gaming and it worked, on the platform where piracy is most rampant of all places

@Jop I don't see how i'm responsible for your reading comprehension. I said do you have any proof that 1 illegal download equals 1 lost sale. You don't. I know this because it doesn't exist. I've already posted this link in another comment but in case you missed it
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/09/eu-study-finds-piracy-doesnt-hurt-game-sales-may-actually-help/
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2017-09-25-eu-commission-no-evidence-that-piracy-affects-video-games-sales

So when you claim the developer is out 60 euros every time someone pirates, you're wrong

Strange things to prioritise in my opinion. Things that needs to change badly are

1. Bowser Jr. needs a nerf
2. The possibility of playing with actual tennis rules as in 6 game sets. At least vs cpu
3. Boo probably needs a buff
4. A retry button in adventure mode. Why do i have to sit through the dialogue every time i've failed the 400 rally challenge?
5. A redesign of the freeplay menu so every setting can be tweaked when you select freeplay instead of having submenus

Still a great game and i'm happy with my purchase

@Zuljaras Oh then count me in! Thanks

Unless it includes the DLC, count me out. It's a great game but the basic version lacks a lot of qol features such as a shared stash

@Jop That doesn't make any sense because that's not what i said, at all. Stop being fallacious

@SomeWriter13 Same to you:)

@SomeWriter13 Yup, i agree with you. I just hate a complex issue being simplified into pirating = stealing

Not just because it's a flawed comparison but also because there are plenty of outliers. For example what about games that aren't for sale anymore? It's still illegal to use such a ROM but what is the alternative? And then there is the consumer rights issue where Nintendo refuses to refund digital purchases, which is very likely against EU consumer law. If i buy something else which is critically flawed or doesn't even work, i have a right to return it. Not so with games. Even Apple was forced to comply with EU law by offering refunds on apps purchased on their Appstore

All that aside, i'm pretty confident that hacking your console is not illegal since you actually own the machine. Nintendo can refuse to let you online on it or even use their digital store and it can void the warranty but i can't imagine the act of hacking the console being illegal

@SomeWriter13 Actually it is very much relevant because the argument from copyright lawyers is that 1 illegal download equals 1 lost sale. This is how they estimate what piracy costs them and it's very much flawed. These lawyers are also the ones who attempt to equate piracy with theft. At any rate, my initial argument was not about the morality of piracy

My argument boils down to 2 key things
1. Piracy is not stealing. Yes, it's illegal most places and you can certainly make a case about the morality of it but it will never be equivalent to stealing
2. Hacking a console is not the same as piracy and it's not immoral by default. Just as making knives is not immoral even though lots of people get stabbed

@Frontiersmann Completely wrong and here is why. Minecraft and Open Source software. Both proves that it's absolutely possible to make money on software without draconian DRM or other measures

The point of drawing a distinction should be clear - the meaning of words matter. Otherwise communication will become impossible. Call it what it is - illegal copying. When you call it stealing you're only muddying the waters to the benefit of no one

I don't pirate games i don't own but i have pirated games i do own many times because often the pirated copy runs better. The latest assassin's creed for example used an insane amount of cpu because of DRM. That is completely unacceptable. I'm also firmly against being locked out of features on devices i own because some people do copy games. Piracy can't be stopped. They've tried and tried and no DRM will work. So why are they punishing the rest of us by limiting features in our devices to fight something they can't win against?

To quote Gabe Newell
Piracy Is a Service Problem
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114391-Valves-Gabe-Newell-Says-Piracy-Is-a-Service-Problem

Also, there is this
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/09/eu-study-finds-piracy-doesnt-hurt-game-sales-may-actually-help/

So the fact is it is possible to make money without punishing legitimate users and there is no evidence that piracy hurts the business as much as anti piracy organisations claim. That's why you can't compare it to stealing

By the way, there is a major flaw in your example - the projected sales. You can't just assume you'll sell a given number of games and then that somehow becomes the metric for how much piracy hurts you. Oh and Spore didn't fail because of piracy. It failed because it was a grossly simplified version of what they promised us. Likely because some bean counters at EA forced them release it way before it met the designers expectations. I bought Spore at release based on what was promised but what i got was not even close to that

@Jop No, it's not. Do you have any proof what so ever that the pirate would have bought the game had he not been able to pirate it? Nope. It's not stealing. It will never be stealing no matter how many lawyers tries to spin it

@GumbyX84 Right but that's not a valid equation since it implies the pirate would have bought the game if he couldn't pirate it

So now the people who makes it possible to unlock full access to your machine (which you own by the way) are somehow responsible for how users decide to use it?

Does that mean knife manufacturers are responsible every time someone gets stabbed? Talk about ignorance

Oh and if you think piracy is stealing, you're a moron. Plain and simple. Let's spell it out

Theft

You have a bike
I steal the bike
Now i have a bike and you don't

Piracy

You have a game
I copy the game
Now we both have the game

Now, if you want to argue it's immoral to pirate games then you have a case. Stealing it is not

Never gonna happen and that's great. The Naughty Dog that made the old classics doesn't exist anymore and i'd rather be without cinematic non games full of identity politics

It's still a poo game

Bought it at launch and there is a fun game in there but the bugs are unacceptable

Particularly the slide tackle bug which suddenly render you unable to defend any more. Only a reboot of the game seems to fix it

When it works and you stay away from slide tackles it's a fun game. I'm close to winning the world cup, having won all the other ones. Once bugs are sorted, it's a good arcade footy title but it should have been delayed

Fascinating read. More articles like this please

@bignrules Don't forget Christina Hoff Sommers, that facist feminist

For every person here announcing they wont buy it because racism, i will be buying an extra copy. So much for your boycott